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Wrong About Iraq

As Iraq falls to pieces, Jon Stewart of “The Daily Show,” as usual, went to the archival footage. He showed Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) in 2001 urging the overthrow of Saddam Hussein; he showed Weekly Standard editor Bill Kristol warning about Hussein”s weapons of mass destruction; he showed Paul Wolfowitz talking about Iraq”s ability to finance its own reconstruction.

Those idiots were ostracized, never heard from again, Stewart joked.

In light of recent events, he continued, the news media have “rushed to get the band back together again”: Kristol appeared on ABC News on Iraq; Wolfowitz on NBC News; and Graham on CBS News and CNN. None of those fellows, however, has reaped the exposure of Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), who was all over the television last week in the midst of the Iraq breakdown. Or, as Stewart put it, “And since John McCain was one of the wrongest before and during the war, it”s only fitting that in this current crisis, he was on so many shows, you”d think he just won “Dancing With the Stars.” “

“We had that war won, and we blew it,” McCain said in one of his media ops. After abridging some of McCain”s hawkish views on overseas hot spots, Stewart finished, “The John McCain military victory plan for America is the same as the John McCain media strategy: Be everywhere, forever.”

GOP Foreign Policy, Be Everywhere Forever!

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  1. Profile photo of normalfreak2
    normalfreak2 Male 18-29
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    June 17, 2014 at 10:54 am
    Link: Wrong About Iraq - GOP Foreign Policy, Be Everywhere Forever!
  2. Profile photo of Draculya
    Draculya Male 40-49
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    June 18, 2014 at 7:25 am
    The Iraq war was no mistake. It was a deliberate, illegal act with predictably catastrophic consequences. Saddam was no nice guy, but the middle east needs strongmen to contain Sunni jihad. We need to defend the Shia and the remaining Sunni dictators. If Assad falls, prepare to see a Sunni caliphate that makes the Taliban look like reasonable folks.
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    Draculya Male 40-49
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    June 18, 2014 at 7:28 am
    And when these arseholes get done in the middle east, they won`t be content to run your corner shops, they`ll be waging jihad to bring about the caliphate in our home countries. They won`t succeed in our lifetimes, but there will be ample bloodshed; enough that I will change my stand on gun-control. You`ll need guns like the Israelis.
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    papajon0s1 Male 40-49
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    June 18, 2014 at 7:50 am
    And what is the alternative? Do nothing until a dirty bomb or gas attack goes off in NY or Washington or LA? You`d have to be incredibly insanely naive to think Al Queda was not in Iraq and every other Arab country then as it is now. Same with WMDs. I also wonder how you libs would react if it were a militant radical Christian group saying convert or die. Or perhaps John Stewart thinks we can all just magically have a "kumbaya" moment? So which is it libs, are you against Imperialism or for the "can`t we all just get along" Obama policy? It`s ok, I`m sure Obama would quickly deal with a tragic massive terrorist attack on US soil... ... as soon as he gets back form his latest golf vacation.
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    Draculya Male 40-49
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    June 18, 2014 at 8:49 am
    "Do nothing until a dirty bomb or gas attack goes off in NY or Washington or LA?"

    So you still think there were WMDs targetted at the west and ready to go at a moment`s notice? LOL
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    whodat6484 Male 30-39
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    June 18, 2014 at 9:50 am
    "You`d have to be incredibly insanely naive to think Al Queda was not in Iraq and every other Arab country then as it is now."

    They weren`t in Iraq while Saddam Hussein was in control. It`s well known that Bin Laden didn`t trust and didn`t like Saddam Hussein and there was no relationship between Iraq and Al Qaeda before Saddam Hussein was removed.

    "I also wonder how you libs would react if it were a militant radical Christian group saying convert or die."

    Then they`d be an enemy just as radical Islamists are our enemies. We have people who are teetering on that edge in this country right now, trying to force their beliefs into our gov`t. The same people who condemn Sharia Law in Muslim countries are trying to put their buy-bull into out laws.
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    broizfam Male 60-69
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    June 18, 2014 at 10:10 am
    @papajon,
    WMDs in Iraq was a lie. While Hussein was an awful person who was responsible for the deaths of many Iraqis, we are probably responsible for the deaths of even more Iraqis than he. He kept Al Quaeda out of Iraq which is now being overrun by Islamic terrorists. What I`m wondering is how conservatives can still support what the idiot Bush did in Iraq: we took down a sovereign gov`t that was NO THREAT to us, spent billions of our dollars, killed thousands of our troops, killed thousands of innocent Iraqi civilians, left the country to (possibly) be taken over by Islamic fundamentalists, and multiplied the hatred levelled at America causing terrorist numbers to swell. If there`s going to be a "massive terrorist attack on US soil" at this point, it is most likely because the hugely increased hatred spawned by Bush`s stupidity of going into Iraq to take down the gov`t instead of just supporting the weapons inspectors` efforts.
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    danagamer Male 30-39
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    June 18, 2014 at 10:42 am
    good, finally IAB allows some non-conseravtive view points
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    June 18, 2014 at 10:44 am
    papajons01

    "And what is the alternative? Do nothing until a dirty bomb or gas attack goes off in NY or Washington or LA?"

    Do you not get that they attack us BECAUSE of our military occupation and the pain, suffering, and death we caused in their region? Then because they attack us we increase our military occupation, pain, suffering, and death?

    Do you just think they are comic book villains of pure evil that actually "attack us for our freedom"?

    Do you think we were just minding our own business and doing nothing wrong and they just attacked?

    I`m not justifying terrorist attacks, because there aren`t any. However all we are doing now if creating the next generation of terrorism.

    If some country invaded america, bombed our cities, went door to door searching our homes, and was directly or indirectly responsible for 100,000+ deaths wouldn`t that make you hate them and want to attack them back?
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    June 18, 2014 at 10:53 am
    papajohns01

    "I`m sure Obama would quickly deal with a tragic massive terrorist attack on US soil... ... as soon as he gets back form his latest golf vacation."

    I know. I hat that p.ussy. He just allows us to be attacked over and over again. Remember that terrorist attack last week? Or wait, last month right? Oh. Right. There hasn`t been ONE since he took office. Well s.hit, better make up future hypothetical attacks and get mad at him for those then!
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    June 18, 2014 at 11:05 am
    papajons01

    "And what is the alternative? Do nothing until a dirty bomb or gas attack goes off in NY or Washington or LA?"

    Do you truly believe that an attack from Iraq was imminent? I just don`t understand. There is literally NO evidence whatsoever that was the case. It`s like invading portugal and killing 100,000+ portuguese and then years later say "what was the alternative? Do nothing until anthrax laced killer bees attack Omaha?"
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    broizfam Male 60-69
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    June 18, 2014 at 11:37 am
    @HolyGod,
    Damn! You`re right! Time to take down Portugal! Maybe Spain next - they`re on the same peninsula, after all.
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    normalfreak2 Male 18-29
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    June 18, 2014 at 12:06 pm
    If you believe Iraq was pointing WMD`s our way and was just waiting to push the button I have this book about a Sky Wizard named Jesus you`ll get a kick out of. :D
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    June 18, 2014 at 12:24 pm
    Do you not get that they attack us BECAUSE of our military occupation and the pain, suffering, and death we caused in their region?
    HG, if you honestly believe that this country is that evil and depraved, why are you still here?
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    June 18, 2014 at 12:29 pm
    OldOllie

    "HG, if you honestly believe that this country is that evil and depraved, why are you still here?"

    I don`t believe it is evil and depraved. I never said it was. It is imperial and i believe it has military presence in a lot of places it shouldn`t. Don`t you?

    Bin Laden stated quite clearly the reasons for his actions against America. It was due to our occupation of the region.

    Put yourself in the position of an Iraqi citizen. How would you feel about the U.S.?
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    broizfam Male 60-69
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    June 18, 2014 at 12:31 pm
    Oooooh! normalfreak makin` trouble!
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    Agent00Smith Male 18-29
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    June 18, 2014 at 1:08 pm
    OldOllie making that old man argument, "like our country for what it is or GEEEEET OUT!"

    It would be great to get out, unfortunately most of us are shackled to the broken economic system that is America and can`t easily jump ship.
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    Agent00Smith Male 18-29
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    June 18, 2014 at 1:11 pm
    Poor farmers in the middle east could never afford "weapons of mass destruction" anyway, not without help from the military industrial complex.

    What it really was, a "weapon of mass distraction".
  19. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    June 18, 2014 at 1:29 pm
    HG: "It is imperial and i believe it has military presence in a lot of places it shouldn`t."

    America is not "Imperial", that`s straight up leftist commie propaganda right there.

    "It was due to our occupation of the region."

    We didn`t "occupy" any nation in the region before 9/11. The few bases we did have, were there at the request of those nation`s leadership.

    "Put yourself in the position of an Iraqi citizen."

    I`d feel glad and thankful that America got rid of the tyrant Saddam Hussein, his insane sons and cronies. I`d feel great that the extremists were chased out and that rule of law and free elections had came.

    But no, you see the American military as "imperialist occupiers" as jack-booted thugs and ne`er-do-wells. You make me sick.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    June 18, 2014 at 1:45 pm
    Crakr

    "America is not "Imperial", that`s straight up leftist commie propaganda right there."

    Actually it is the exact opposite. It is straight out of libertarianism and Ron Paul.

    "We didn`t "occupy" any nation in the region before 9/11."

    156 countries with US troops

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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    June 18, 2014 at 1:46 pm
    Crakr

    "I`d feel glad and thankful that America got rid of the tyrant Saddam Hussein, his insane sons and cronies. I`d feel great that the extremists were chased out and that rule of law and free elections had came."

    The extremists have been chased out and the rule of law is there? Are you insane?

    Some estimates have Iraqi casualties as high as 600,000 people. I`m pretty sure if your country was invaded by a foreign country and it resulted in half a million deaths you wouldn`t be thankful to them for anything.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    June 18, 2014 at 1:51 pm
    Crakr

    "But no, you see the American military as "imperialist occupiers" as jack-booted thugs and ne`er-do-wells. You make me sick."

    The fact that half a million people died because of the actions my country took makes me sick.

    The fact that we KNOW the Bush administration was looking for an excuse to invade Iraq and they posed no threat to us whatsoever makes me sick.

    The fact that people as stupid and uninformed as you live in my country and get to vote makes me sick.
  23. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    June 18, 2014 at 3:46 pm
    HG: I don`t believe the word "Occupy" is what you think it means. Do you honestly believe we "Occupy" Japan because we have a base in Okinawa? Do we "Occupy" Germany because we have a base in Rammstein?

    If you do, that`s well beyond stupid. That goes right into flat out moronic.

    "I`m pretty sure if your country was invaded by a foreign country and it resulted in half a million deaths you wouldn`t be thankful to them for anything."

    If the rulers were corrupt tyrants with a penchant for gassing it`s own citizens. If my country was being invaded by Al Qaeda militants that were killing citizens left and right. Yes, I`d be glad that my country was rid of those half million violent islamic militants, mostly from other countries.
  24. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    June 18, 2014 at 3:58 pm
    HG: "the Bush administration was looking for an excuse to invade Iraq and they posed no threat to us whatsoever..."

    Really? Even though Saddam put a bounty on GW`s head and was the paying families of suicide bombers to kill Israelis? Even though he claimed he had WMD and was going to use them?

    Let me guess, I bet you believe that Iran and N.Korea don`t pose a threat to us "whatsoever" either?

    Your disingenuous is astounding, either that or your naivety is beyond belief.

    Because I`m betting that if some tyrant put out a hitman`s bounty on Obama`s head, that you would immediately call that a threat to the USA.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    June 18, 2014 at 4:46 pm
    America stayed in:
    Philippines
    Cuba
    Germany
    Japan
    Korea

    It`s NOTHING NEW and far from a "Republican" issue.

    News Clowns: The source for Democrat world knowledge!

    And NO @hg: "occupy" is not having a Foreign Government approved BASE inside a nation.
    FFS dude! Y`all have troops in Canada! Are y`all OCCUPYING us??
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    June 18, 2014 at 4:54 pm
    @papajon0s1: Obama played rounds 175 and 176 last week... Bush played 24 total in 8 years...

    @WhoDat: It`s true: that particular group was not in Iraq, BUT Saddam OPENLY supported other terrorist groups. That`s a fact even you cannot ignore!

    @Agent00Smith: It`s not "poor farmers" you idiot! It`s billion-dollar government programs! Assad wasn`t spraying WINDEX on his enemies! And Libya had both chemical and nuclear weapons programs, which they GAVE UP.

    There hasn`t been ONE since he took office.
    @holygod: Really? NOT one eh? I can name 5... Boston Bombing ring a bell?

    Saddam was in violation of the UN Cease Fire and SOMEONE had to do something... the USA and others had every right to act. Period!
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    whodat6484 Male 30-39
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    June 18, 2014 at 5:08 pm
    @5Cats - No, he didn`t, and there`s a very simple reason for it.

    All of the terrorist groups are militant Islamists and believe in Sharia Law, which as we all know is the moral code and religious law of Islam.

    The Ba`ath Party, which rose to power with Saddam Hussein, believed in secularism and socialism, which is in direct conflict with Sharia Law. As far as they were concerned, Saddam Hussein was another infidel and as far as Saddam Hussein was concerned, they were a threat to him.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    June 18, 2014 at 5:36 pm

    All I can say to that is "Duh!".
    I knew as soon as we left Iraq would fall back to it`s barbarian ways. I`m not expert so if I knew it why didn`t the guv`ment?

    Or maybe they did and this was just a show to make a lot of money for people like Dick Chaney and those cronies.
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    normalfreak2 Male 18-29
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    June 18, 2014 at 7:06 pm
    I can`t believe people are defending our decision on Iraq....I can`t even bring myself to argue with Crakr. I really want to know how someone can exist in this world and ignore so many plain as day facts and live in fantasy world that he believes exists but no one else sees. Crakr you must live in Carmi or Mt Vernon, that`s where all our braindead conservatives live.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    June 18, 2014 at 7:14 pm
    @WhoDat: Saddam gave tons of money to the PLO: fact!
    He funded a terror group operating in Iran: fact!
    That`s just what can be proven.

    He was murdering 100K of his own citizens every year in TORTURE prisons. You think the Americans made up those stories of mass graves?

    @Gerry1: The Clintons also own lots of stock in BlackWater... just FYI. As well as other Dems (and Repubs).
    And Bill gave them no-bid contracts during his invasion which was REALLY based on lies (Serbia).
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    June 18, 2014 at 8:30 pm
    @5Cats
    "Philipines"-We left after `46, and rationale for invading was unequivocally dubious.
    "Cuba"-Oh well THAT lasted very well now didn`t it? Now we now we have a prison that either runs with questionable legality, or is one of the most prominent nanny states in the world.
    "Germany"-Why still here again?
    "Japan"-Now THEY want us pack up. But again another rent seeking Admiral.
    "Korea"-Part of the reason why tensions in Asia haven`t improved.

    How well is this empire going again?

    I bet you believe that Iran and N.Korea don`t pose a threat to us "whatsoever" either?

    The former was contained BEFORE we invaded Iraq, ironically. Unless you want to pretend Saddam was not a geopolitcal rival to the Ayatollahs.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    June 18, 2014 at 8:31 pm
    Because I`m betting that if some tyrant put out a hitman`s bounty on Obama`s head, that you would immediately call that a threat to the USA.

    If THIS is the central criterion on how American foreign policy runs, I GUARANTEE YOU that Obamacare is the LEAST of your concerns. It should be anyway.
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    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
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    June 18, 2014 at 8:33 pm
    "Because I`m betting that if some tyrant put out a hitman`s bounty on Obama`s head, that you would immediately call that a threat to the USA."

    If Kim Jong Un did this, I would laugh.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    June 18, 2014 at 9:15 pm
    @Cajun247: So are ALL those things you correctly mention done ONLY by Republicans? No?
    That settles the issue entirely: Liberal Propaganda has NO basis in reality. None!

    America really DID invade and occupy the Philipines, Guam and Puerto Rico... fyi.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    June 18, 2014 at 10:00 pm
    Freak: "I really want to know how someone can exist in this world and ignore so many plain as day facts.."

    I`d like to know how the liberals pumped your head so full of bullsh|t. Was it via a syringe or did you swallow it all whole?
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    June 18, 2014 at 10:06 pm
    Cajun: ""Philipines"-We left after `46, and rationale for invading was unequivocally dubious."

    Really? We freed the Philippines from the Japanese in WWII, that was "dubious"? WTF??!!

    ""Korea"-Part of the reason why tensions in Asia haven`t improved."

    The reason tensions haven`t improved is because the Kim family of psychopaths have remained in power, for over 60yrs. and continue to brainwash their people.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    June 18, 2014 at 10:06 pm
    So are ALL those things you correctly mention done ONLY by Republicans? No?
    You got your eyes on the wrong guy bub.
  38. Profile photo of Cajun247
    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    June 18, 2014 at 10:08 pm
    The reason tensions haven`t improved is because the Kim family of psychopaths have remained in power, for over 60yrs. and continue to brainwash their people.

    ...and their severely outdated military poses no threat to their Southern neighbors whatsoever.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    June 18, 2014 at 10:10 pm
    Really? We freed the Philippines from the Japanese in WWII, that was "dubious"? WTF??!!

    After we "liberated" (emphasis on quotes) them from the Spaniards in 1898, and occupied them ever since.
  40. Profile photo of Cajun247
    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    June 18, 2014 at 10:12 pm
    America really DID invade and occupy the Philipines, Guam and Puerto Rico... fyi.

    Yes 5Cats, as a warm-blooded Amurican I know my history.
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    normalfreak2 Male 18-29
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    June 19, 2014 at 5:05 am
    "The reason tensions haven`t improved is because the Kim family of psychopaths have remained in power, for over 60yrs. and continue to brainwash their people.
    "

    You are really concerned with N Korea? Half their population has no electricity. Kim talks the talk, he can`t do poo. N Korea would get stomped by any modern outfitted military.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    June 19, 2014 at 2:03 pm
    Cajun: "and their severely outdated military poses no threat to their Southern neighbors whatsoever."

    Outdated? I`m guessing you haven`t witnessed any of their recent military parades. They have, and continue to buy, new military equipment from China all the time.

    Cajun: American won the Spanish-American war over a century ago. Yes we were "expansionist" back then, get over it that was the 19th century. America doesn`t "Occupy" any country now, except our own, if they don`t want us there, we leave. With a few exceptions like Guantanamo Bay.

    The word "Occupy", here at IAB, is being extremely misused to make America seem evil and that`s just not the case.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    June 19, 2014 at 2:11 pm
    Freak: "N Korea would get stomped by any modern outfitted military."

    I think you underestimate their capability.




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