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Date: 06/05/15 10:30 AM

30 Responses to Was Bergdahl`s Release Deal Worth It? [Pic+]

  1. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    June 5, 2014 at 7:37 am
    Link: Was Bergdahl`s Release Deal Worth It? - 5 Known Taliban Terrorists For 1 Deserter?
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    Listypoos Male 40-49
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    June 5, 2014 at 10:40 am
    Oh he`s had a trial for desertion has he? I didn`t know he`d had a trial and been found guilty.

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    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
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    June 5, 2014 at 10:41 am
    Can people please stop rushing to judgement on this story? The military will do its own investigation.
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    Listypoos Male 40-49
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    June 5, 2014 at 10:43 am
    By all accounts he was a kid who got scared... he didn`t run off and leave people in a battle, there is no proof whatsover that his intention was to never come back - so by the military definition of desertion wouldn`t be brought against him, it would be a lesser charge.

    He`s suffered enough - and he certainly spent more time in uniform over there than you did CJ
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    Mikeoxsbiggg Male 30-39
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    June 5, 2014 at 10:48 am
    The simple fact that they are even negotiating with terrorists makes the issue that much worse.
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    Listypoos Male 40-49
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    June 5, 2014 at 10:52 am
    "The simple fact that they are even negotiating with terrorists makes the issue that much worse."

    Oh come on.... the US and UK governments always come out with that line in public but the evidence is there that both our countries have negotiated with terrorists for at least decades.

    It`s no different than a prisoner swap between say russia and the US, when each side in the cold war exchanged people.

    If we don`t negotiate with terrorists.... how come the IRA here laid down it`s arms along with the loyalist sides? Because we negotiated with them... as did Clinton for us.
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    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
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    June 5, 2014 at 10:53 am
    "The simple fact that they are even negotiating with terrorists makes the issue that much worse."

    I don`t get this. The Taliban are terrible people with messed up views, but they`re not really any different from other enemies we`ve fought against. We negotiated with Nazis to end the European theatre in World War II, didn`t we? If you`re going to wind down a war, you either have to completely annihilate your enemy (which is physically impossible with "terrorism"), or negotiate.
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    OverTime Male 40-49
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    June 5, 2014 at 10:55 am
    6 fewer people illegally detained.
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    Listypoos Male 40-49
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    June 5, 2014 at 10:58 am
    Exactly FP.

    If anything this deal has made it safer for captured US soldiers in those places because the majority before were shot or beheaded on camera pretty quickly. With Sgt. Bergdahl they kept him alive, and it`s worked out a better strategy for them and for us, and so the same strategy is more likely to be used if someone is captured in future.

    People that say `it`ll lead to more kidnappings`... what? they think the taliban have been turning down opportunities to take prisoners until now and they`re suddenly going to say `hmm... gives me an idea...I think we should capture more of them`.
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    SmagBoy1 Male 40-49
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    June 5, 2014 at 11:31 am
    Reagan did it, Bush I did it, Clinton, Bush II. Not to mention every administration prior. Taliban is NOT Al Queda, they are local thugs in a country we invaded. And we traded with them to free an American POW. Period. Any determination about desertion, AWOL, etc., are for the Army to handle. Regardless, we did the right thing by an American POW.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    June 5, 2014 at 12:42 pm
    Hopefully we put tracking chips or mini nukes up their butts before the trade....
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    Listypoos Male 40-49
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    June 5, 2014 at 1:06 pm
    I`m sure the intel channels will have either turned one or two of them or will pass on the rumour down the lines that they have.

    All this suspicion surrounding Sgt. Bergdahl.....well times that by five because they`ve got 5 back they can never to totally sure of too. It would be far safer for the Taliban to keep these guys as token trophies, e.g. look, we won their release... but never use them operationally again and never let them make the strategy decisions again.

    Also, they`ve been away for years too - there have been internal power struggles during that time. Some comrades won`t be glad to see them return and want their command positions back. Oh they`ll sing and dance about it, but they`ll also be thinking `yeah it`s nice that your back and all....but i`m in charge now ok?`.
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    whodat6484 Male 30-39
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    June 5, 2014 at 1:21 pm
    Yeah, they probably turned one or two of them and I guarantee they`ll be watching them like a hawk. The first thing that happens after a prisoner is set free and goes back home is they`re debriefed. They`ll watch to see where they go, who they meet with, etc and gather intel that way. It`s a good way to find HQ`s, safe houses, weapons caches, etc.
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    Runemang Male 30-39
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    June 5, 2014 at 6:15 pm
    Nuclear suppositories? Wow. That sucks brah
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    June 5, 2014 at 6:31 pm
    This is Obama`s quest for a "free pass" and it has imploded in his face with spectacular results!

    Even the MSM cannot cover the poop for him this time.

    He broke the law HE SIGNED!
    And "excused it" with further lies. LIES! It`s all he knows how to do, it seems.

    Meanwhile his cronies ATTACK this traitor`s squad-mates, calling THEM "psychopaths" or "swift boaters". How is this "acceptable"?

    This, on top of the VA scandal? How can anyone in the USA support the Democrats?
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    June 5, 2014 at 6:37 pm
    @FoolsPrussia: The USA does NOT consider the Taliban to be a "lawful representative" of Afghanistan. BUT by negotiating with them? It conveys that title to them.
    Congress had TWICE refused such a "deal" but Obama ignored the LAW and did it anyhow.
    One reason: politics.

    Rush to judgement? No one`s doing that. We`re looking at what IS KNOWN and basing our opinions on that. He wrote a letter saying he would join the enemy (iirc)? That`s damning evidence right there.

    @SmagBoy1: Yes, all those PotUS did it, but NOT with terrorist groups! With acknowledged genuine nations they did. Obama screwed up, -AGAIN- and now is spinning, spinning to try to control the damage.
    Attacking the very veterans who KNOW the truth?
    Making fake excuses for illegal actions?
    Ignoring the Law because... why exactly?
    YOU voted for him! This is "on you".
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    33090 posts
    June 5, 2014 at 6:40 pm
    @whodat: They`re staying in Qatar for 1 year, iirc. And I VERY MUCH doubt any have been "turned". These men are fanatical, that`s why they`re IN Gitmo in the first place!

    Also: Obama`s people allegedly did not even TRY to get civilians included in this deal: rescue a deserter but leave CIVILIANS in the hands of the enemy? No PotUS can be so shameful... and yet? There it is!
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    33090 posts
    June 5, 2014 at 6:43 pm
    USA Today Says Top Brass Nixed Civilian Trade

    This is a terrible event in America`s history. It gets worse with each passing day.

    I know! BLAME BUSH! It`s all Bush`s fault after all!
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    June 5, 2014 at 9:14 pm
    I agree 5Cats, Obama has went well beyond Nixon in his flat-out lies and offenses. Even Jay Carney, his press secretary, couldn`t handle covering up all his bullsh|t anymore and he resigned.

    I`m all for recovering POW/MIAs, but not by trading 5 of the most dangerous terrorist leaders in Gitmo.
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
    15841 posts
    June 5, 2014 at 9:42 pm
    I hope Bergdahl is tried and found guilty of desertion, and executed (which is the customary punishment for desertion).

    Then Obama will have to explain why he freed 5 of the Taliban`s top generals in exchange for a buck sergeant who ended up being worth less than nothing.
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    June 5, 2014 at 9:51 pm
    @McGovern1981 Hopefully we put tracking chips or mini nukes up their butts before the trade...
    Actually, I was thinking more along the lines of AIDS, hepatitis A-C, TB, typhus, herpes, syphilis, gonorrhea, chlamydia, and anal warts.
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    piratefish Male 40-49
    675 posts
    June 5, 2014 at 10:14 pm
    Whatever happened to "we don`t negotiate with terrorists"?
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    Viking864 Male 40-49
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    June 6, 2014 at 1:06 am
    We signed the Geneva Convention and when we pull out and the war is over, we will have to release them anyway. If they were Al-Qaeda that would be a different story as we are still at war with them. There is a reason why these 5 were still at Gitmo and had not had a trial.
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    normalfreak2 Male 18-29
    4057 posts
    June 6, 2014 at 6:51 am
    How do some of you forget the very clause in the act Obama used

    "The National Defense Authorization Act of 2014 requires the administration to notify Congress at least 30 days before releasing a prisoner from Guantanamo. But Obama, in what is known as a signing statement, forecast that he may disregard the rule because he believed that it unlawfully restrained his presidential authority."

    He had the authority. There is no argument here.
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
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    June 6, 2014 at 6:52 am
    IIRC he had gone AWOL twice but returned before, so there is no reason to suspect this was any different really. And 4 months ago McCain was saying they should get him back.

    A lot of you also seem to be forgetting that those Taliban were going to be released soon anyway. Since your combat operations in Afghanistan are ending, POWs need to be returned. Since those 5 weren`t facing charges for anything, the US would be bound to release them when the fighting ends. This is common in war. At least they brought home one of your soldiers in doing so.
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    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
    3446 posts
    June 6, 2014 at 7:46 am
    "Even Jay Carney, his press secretary, couldn`t handle covering up all his bullsh|t anymore and he resigned."

    Do you know how often press secretaries resign? It`s one of the worst jobs in the world. You have to lie every day, regardless of who is president.
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    Kalimata Male 30-39
    661 posts
    June 6, 2014 at 9:15 am
    "...Rush to judgement? No one`s doing that. We`re looking at what IS KNOWN and basing our opinions on that. He wrote a letter saying he would join the enemy (iirc)? That`s damning evidence right there..."

    You know almost nothing about this situation, and therefore your opinion is highly suspect. The news media knows almost nothing about this situation, and their opinions are most definitely suspect.

    "...I VERY MUCH doubt any have been `turned`..."

    And you know this because you`ve intimate knowledge of interrogation techniques or have had SERE training? Know what is known about interrogation? It`s not will you break, it`s when.

    "...get civilians included in this deal: rescue a deserter but leave CIVILIANS in the hands of the enemy..."

    It was a POW exchange.

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    normalfreak2 Male 18-29
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    June 6, 2014 at 10:55 am
    IMAGINE if this guy had died in the hands of the Taliban. Obama would have been getting smeared. This was the best outcome given the circumstances.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    33090 posts
    June 6, 2014 at 4:09 pm
    "He had the authority. There is no argument here."
    @normalfreak2: You`re joking, right? Just because he signed a law doesn`t mean it applies to HIM? That`s really your argument? Just ignore laws, due process and the US Constitution whenever it`s "inconvenient"?

    Drat That Bro!

    PLENTY of "prisoners" have died during Bush`s and Obama`s terms. Haven`t you been paying attention? How much "smearing" did Obama get? Zilch.

    @Kalimata: POWs can only be traded by LEGITIMATE governments. Until now? The USA considered the Taliban as a Terrorist Group. It`s a BAD IDEA even if it does help rescue others too. There`s better ways it could have been done.

    @Viking: The Afghan War isn`t over, there will still be 10K Americans in-country (afaik! That`s the latest I`ve heard.) Y`all are still present in Iraq, yes? Normal procedure.
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    DrCribbens Female 18-29
    105 posts
    June 5, 2015 at 11:04 am
    The whole "America doesn`t negotiate with terrorists" thing makes me laugh.

    America has got a long record of not just negotiating with terrorists but helping and funding them all over the world.

    America doesn`t negotiate with terrorists? Don`t make me laugh.

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