Uninsured Rate Drops To 13.4% [Pic+]

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11,000,000 unisinsured Americans insured in 6 months.
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Male 579
There were just stories last week where the 8 million supposedly signed up ofor BO Care is actually much much much lower. SOrry, but I don`t by this tripe for one second.
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Male 1,154
Mr Peter File, For some strange reason my memory of current events is always hazier than that of the past. I do not remember any warning about insurance companies dropping policies. But I do remember the warnings about the euro. And everyone debating the pros and cons for a long time. Eventually most of Europe decided the pros outweighed the cons and adopted the currency. However notable holdouts like the United Kingdom did not, because they decided the cons outweighed the pros.
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Male 997
Kree [quote] Health insurance companies changing their policies so that they could increase their profits was just a unforeseen action [/quote]

Pretty sure there was a lot of people who predicted it, was saying it would make sense to a business and were told they`re wrong when they were campaigning against it... Just because the senior leadership ignored it doesn`t mean people didn`t predict it.

It`s like when the Brit`s pointed out all the problems with the Euro along lines of, while the going is good it will be ok-ish, but when the going get`s bad you`re going to be locked inside a burning house. People now saying they didn`t predict the problems of the Euro, Bullpoo, the federalists ignored the warnings of others, in the French quest to create a European super power to oppose the yanks, including an alternative base currency
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Male 1,154
MeGrendel, that is incorrect. People could keep their original healthcare policies. The insurance companies made adjustments to the policies. The policies were now different policies. These new policies did not meet the minimum requirements and could not be offered to customers.

While, Obamas statement was incorrect in practice, it was correct in fact. Health insurance companies changing their policies so that they could increase their profits was just a unforeseen action. Although in retrospect it should have been anticipated. There really should be more people reviewing laws before they get voted on, to make sure the wording matches the intent. Or more importantly, that the law can`t be completely twisted around for some horrible purpose or another.
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Male 15,832
[quote]Clearly we should scrap Obamacare for the GOP version which is..................Oh yea they don`t have a solution.[/quote]
That`s just lying-ass Democrat propaganda. Republicans have proposed a number of solutions including tax-free medical savings accounts, buying insurance across state lines, and malpractice tort reform. You may not agree with these proposals, but to say that the Republicans have offered no solutions is just a big fat Democrat lie.
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Male 7,740
HolyGod-[quote]You do know that was originally a REPUBLICAN initiative [/quote]
I don`t care who`s idea it was. It`s pure bull.

HolyGod-[quote]it was put in as a compromise to get them to pass the bill right? [/quote]
You mean the bill that was passed with zero Republican support or votes?

HolyGod-[quote]Almost all the people that lost their insurance lost it because the government mandated a minimum level of insurance [/quote]
But that is not what was promised. He didn`t say `If you like your health care plan* (*if it meets government mandated minimum level), you can keep your health care plan.`. Callling out a bald-faced lie is not `nit picky`.

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Male 997
Funnly enough despite it`s flaws the most cost effective way to provide comprehensive medical care to an entire population is the NHS method. Then between that you have various European Methods , which will have a higher quality level but mixed in with those who can afford to pay for the access to it. Which probably would fit the US mindset more. Then you have what you guys are doing and it`s like what....

The annoying thing is drug companies make a fúck ton of money from the US. IF the costs actually go down it will increase drug prices across the globe as they will need to increase the prices to cover the funding gap.

So from Europe! Can you guys abandon Obamcare!
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Male 37,774
@kree_ It`s an Obama Joke :-) He once said there were 57 states...

@SleepyHallow: That`s true too, it`s just a mistake by Obama, but it`s funny!

@elkingo: Avoid the stones! My brother had them a couple of times, his suffering was immense!
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Male 5,620
5Cats - Alas, I haven`t ate any fish of any sort in over 2 years. I have forgotten what it tastes like. It simply has too many purines in it, and those cause me to make kidney stones. =/

I do miss tuna.
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Male 5,620
SmagBoy1 - I am a fiscal conservative. Did you read my comments?
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Male 4,431
Man, it`s funny to see folks on the right get so spun up over actual real numbers, even in the face of undeniable Republican obstructionism. Imagine if they actually cared about the people of the country and tried to work together to make this thing really work.
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Male 1,983
Anyone with an ounce of intelligence [who did not sleep through every civics class they ever had] KNOWS the U.S. Senate has representatives from 57 states and territories.

The territories [Porto Rico, the U.S. Virgin Islands, etc.] don`t have voting powers in the Senate but they do get represented.

I`m mystified why this is always pointed out as if it is some kind of Faux pas on Obama`s part.
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Male 1,154
Multiple Kitties,

Do you believe there are 57 states?
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Male 37,774
Why do you imagine that what didn`t work in ONE State would somehow work in the 56 OTHER states?

It`s not even remotely the same thing!

And a Democrat State legislature passed it, iirc, The Repub Governor signed it, but that does NOT make it "Republican National Party Policy" in ANY way! Does it? When did THAT vote happen? (hint: never)

So stop beating that horse! In the name of mercy, it`s DEAD!
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Male 37,774
@hg: Comparing a STATE solution with a USA-WIDE solution is... apples and nails. You still haven`t addressed the COSTS of Obamacare....

@Elkingo: RHINOs are out there, just like "Red Dogs" from the Dems.
Red and Blue are reversed in Canada! lolz! Red = Liberals and Blue = Conservatives (capital letters intended!)

In most cases? The insurance is NOT "better" it`s equal or WORSE with a vastly higher price tag.
Sure, SOME people get better and cheaper! But that is NOT the majority: MOST people have less coverage and pay more. PERIOD! And still others have lost coverage, and are not able to get it back!

Salmon? Trout? Shrimp?? I`m really not that fussy :-)
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Male 8,132
5Cats

"The old Myth of "it`s a Republican idea". You never get tired of those dead horses do you... "

Ummm. The link I sent you was FROM FOX NEWS and said quite plainly it was a conservative idea.

Did you even bother looking?
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Male 5,620
"Be sure to have lots of tuna & beer in the fridge, ok?"

Lol.. won`t be tuna.. its on the list o` foods that cause me to have kidney stones.

As for beer.. my wife is Irish-American. So... for my own protection, we never have more than a six pack. Lol.
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Male 5,620
5Cats... google a side by side comparison of Romenycare vs Obamacare. It is very very similar.
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Male 5,620
"nowhere near the millions who lost their policies!"

What exactly did they loose? Insurance that was so crappy it wouldn`t have paid for anything major anyway? Like the policy I have now that leaves me owing 15% of my wife and I`s recent child birth? Or like when I had those kidney stones, and had to pay out 2500 in cash to get all the treatment I needed?

The lost their policies because they don`t fit the new law, which basically boils down to no more bullsh|t policies.
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Male 5,620
I am sort of pissed at the GOP right now anyway.

Here in Kentucky, McConnell will most likely be re-elected. The guy who publicly HATES Obamacare, but in vote, every-time, votes to fund it.

Moderates Republicans who are soft are the only ones who come up for vote anyway.

There are no fiscal conservatives up for election... ever. All we can manage is social conservatives... idiots who campaign on stupid sh|t like banning or opposing gay rights.


We need some conservatives who are fiscally conservative, not socially.

Otherwise, I imagine the republican party will continue to loose its grip on power.
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Male 37,774
@hg: "forcing" insurance Cos to do that is NOT meaningful: THEY CHARGE FOR IT! One way or another, YOU PAY! The handful of people "getting coverage" is nowhere near the millions who lost their policies!
And other "side effects" of ObamaCare have drive prices UP. For everyone. How does that help?

The old Myth of "it`s a Republican idea". You never get tired of those dead horses do you...

Apples and Nails @hg: they are completely different things.

@elkingo: Now YOU are the 1% ;-) LMAO! Fat-cat capitalist!!! I`m-a-gonna occupy your living room! Be sure to have lots of tuna & beer in the fridge, ok?
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Male 195
I looked at the coverage btw. It is crap. And costs as much for one person as my whole family used to. So at 42 I am uninsured. Feels good bro. Yea Obamacare.
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Male 195
Meanwhile in the real world.... Those of us running small business can not afford to hire help or create jobs. Half the companies in town have been bought by foreign corporations. We are getting ready for them to move out of town.
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Male 5,620
(The national average for my degree is anywhere from 55k a year to 65k a year).
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Male 5,620
HolyGod - Yup. I made chicken scratch before. Now, I am probably going to clear around 70k a year.

I mean, I have my qualms with Obamacare, but at least it bumped my pay to above the national average. It is also really bringing about a lot of positive change in Kentucky to children`s services psychology. Less fraud, more open market, better incentives to get licensed.
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Male 8,132
elkingo

"My wages have already went up around 250%."

As I recall you used to make dick right? So its good that you`re being paid appropriately now. Congrats.
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Male 5,620
Just for the record -- I did nothing wrong with what I did. Obamacare was just really kind to psychology in Kentucky (for those who are capitalists).
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Male 8,132
5Cats

"Did they FORCE YOU to buy a car?"

Fair enough counter point.

Do you disagree with my other statement:

"We all agree that eliminating insurance denial for pre-existing conditions right? If you do that without the mandate nobody would buy insurance healthy (which is how insurance companies make money) everyone would just wait till they got sick and then get insurance (which would bankrupt the insurance sector)."

Or were you aware that republicans were the ones that came up with the mandate and wanted it in there?
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Male 5,620
My last pay check was actually 223% more. However, before I was working anywhere from 85 to 125 hours per two weeks. Last pay period I worked around 47 hours in two weeks.

I LOVE Obamacare. I love it all the way to the bank. =D
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Male 5,620
I am a capitalist. Politics aside, as a health provider, I am going to capitalize on Obamacare, and make a killing. My wages have already went up around 250%.

I love this sh|t! Lol
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Male 37,774
[quote]Well s.hit. I`d rather have my money than pay my student loan or have car insurance too.[/quote]
@hg: Did the Federal Gov`t FORCE YOU to take out a student loan? Did they FORCE YOU to buy a car?
No?
Well then, apples and nails bro.

[quote]It just seems that you guys [@MeGrendel] are against literally EVERYTHING he does, even things that you were fine with Bush doing (spying on citizens, drone strikes, etc).[/quote]

I observe the exact OPPOSITE: Y`all think that whatever Bush did that was BAD? When Obama does it? IT`S GOOD!

From NOT getting UN permission to invade Libya, or even OBEYING the US Constitution?
To massive increase in drone strikes and rendition?
YOU liberals are 100% reversed in your Bush/Obama positions.

Bean counting how many "now have insurance" when the economy is in the tank? Hardly meaningful: no one can AFFORD the massive price increases!
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Male 37,774
Wait for the often delayed "employer`s mandate" part to kick in: the poop will truly hit the fan...

BTW: This counts people enrolled in various "medicare" type programs: government subsidized insurance is NOT the same thing!

10 Million LOST insurance (Your Link @hg) thanks to Obama`s promise: "If you like your plan, you can keep your plan, PERIOD". And now 10 million have HIGHER COST insurance?

How is THAT a victory? Want to post what RATES have done in the past 6 years?? No??

Thought not.
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Male 8,132
Crakr

"Meanwhile 100 million people have lost their existing insurance because of Obamacare"

Let`s take this statement for a moment.

Do you know WHY or in what context that is true?

The guy on FOX news does of course. But he wants to scare low information voters. Just wondering if you are gullible or if you are just trying to scare people intentionally the same way.

The REASON they "lost their existing insurance" is because of the law that insurance had to cover children till 26. Most plans didn`t do that. Now they do. THAT change technically means people don`t have the EXACT SAME PLAN.

Now are you seriously b.itching about that or are you just dumb enough to believe and regurgitate the intentional misinformation from the media bubble you live in?
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Male 2,759
Gosh, I wonder how many of the old, infirmed and otherwise deficient have been sent to those pesky death clinics?
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Male 8,132
Crakr

"Health Insurance going up"

See this is your problem:

1. Written by conservative pundit
2. Anonymous sources
3. Talks about what WILL happen

In fact I don`t see a single verifiable fact whatsoever. Do you?

"Millions losing their plans"

Ditto pretty much.

These are opinion pieces by pundits. You might as well send me a link of Hannity saying Obamacare will destroy the economy as "proof".

Send facts, figures, data, not biased projections based on "gut".
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Male 1,154
Holydude, the ACA has failed to meet its standards. But not on a federal level. The issue lies with states. part of the ACA funding was to increase medicaid coverage for those making up to 140% of the poverty line. This was done with promises to pay 100% of the cost of medicaid for the first few years, and 90% afterwards.

Several states however decided they the federal government could not force them to expand their programs. The supreme court agreed with them.

So this program which was designed to provide the poor with medical coverage, specifically does not provide insurance to the poor. Unless these 24 states, half the country, expand medicaid coverage, the ACA will never be effective.
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Male 14,332
Hmmm so it`s got the name Obama Care again will it keep that when he`s gone helloooo Narcissism! How`s trusting private insurance companies in the business of screwing people supposed to work out again?
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Male 17,512
HG: You wanted links, I have a few.

Health Insurance going up

Millions losing their plans
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Male 8,132
MeGrendel

"It`s all about `the feels`."

Really? I`m posting a Gallup poll and commenting with facts cited with sources. You two are making things up and talking in absolutes without backing it up in any way. Yet I`M the one with the feels?
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Male 1,380
@HolyGod, "It just seems that you guys [@MeGrendel] are against literally EVERYTHING he does, even things that you were fine with Bush doing (spying on citizens, drone strikes, etc)."

And that is the truth of it. This isn`t about facts or truth. This is all about winning a fight. Political extremists like this, regardless of political affiliation, want to win more than they want to find a solution or fix things.

Arguing with a political extremist is like playing chess with a pigeon. No matter how good you are at chess, the pigeon is just gonna knock over the pieces, crap on the board, and strut around claiming they just proved their point with "facts".

But then again, you are just infected with "the feels" LOL!
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Male 8,132
AntEconomist

"The important question is, how many of those now-insured people would rather have kept their money and remained uninsured"

Well s.hit. I`d rather have my money than pay my student loan or have car insurance too.

We all agree that eliminating insurance denial for pre-existing conditions right? If you do that without the mandate nobody would buy insurance healthy (which is how insurance companies make money) everyone would just wait till they got sick and then get insurance (which would bankrupt the insurance sector).
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Male 1,380
@CrakrJak, "Insurance rates have doubled for many people"

@CrakrJak, "100 million people have lost their insurance"

@MeGrendel "Now now, CrakrJak, using facts in an argument against liberals is not allowed. It`s all about `the feels`."

That made me smile. I just love conservative feels...er, I mean facts. Yep, FACTS. Those are definitely FACTS alright!
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Male 371
Of course the uninsured rate has dropped. You don`t need a massive takeover of health care to achieve that. All you need to do is to make it illegal to be uninsured.

The important question is, how many of those now-insured people would rather have kept their money and remained uninsured, and how many insured people are paying more for their insurance than they were before?
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Male 6,656
Sorry Crrazy Crakr votes with his heart, by heart he means GOP all the way baby regardless of facts!
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Male 8,132
MeGrendel

It just seems that you guys are against literally EVERYTHING he does, even things that you were fine with Bush doing (spying on citizens, drone strikes, etc). My opinion on issue stays the same no matter who is president.

I supported Bush on a lot of stuff. I`m against Obama on a lot of stuff. Party affiliation shouldn`t drive your views.

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Male 8,132
MeGrendel

"1) believed him when he said `If you like health care plan, you can keep your health care plan.` &
2) rationalized it when it turned out to be the bull that it was."

That is SUCH a nit picky thing. Almost all the people that lost their insurance lost it because the government mandated a minimum level of insurance that insurance companies had to provide. Those people lost theirs in lieu of one with the increased required level of coverage.
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Male 8,132
MeGrendel

"It`s not up to the government to tell me that I MUST buy a product, under penalty of law."

You do know that was originally a REPUBLICAN initiative and it was put in as a compromise to get them to pass the bill right?

Even according to Fox News
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Male 7,740
HolyGod-[quote]You guys are pathetic.[/quote]
No, the pathetic ones are the ones that:
1) believed him when he said `If you like health care plan, you can keep your health care plan.` &
2) rationalized it when it turned out to be the bull that it was.

Can`t wait till open enrollment this year when all the employer provided insurance plans start going to . (You DO realize that the effects to employer provided plans is still to come, right?)
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Male 7,740
HolyGod-[quote]Bush had done a healthcare reform that added insurance for 11 million uninsured in 6 months you guys would be on the roof tops shouting about how good it was[/quote]
If Bush had passed the same exact law, with the same exact reasoning with the same exact tactics (`deeming` it passed), I`d complaining about it the very same way.

It`s not up to the government to tell me that I MUST buy a product, under penalty of law.
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Male 8,132
Torq

crakrjak,

"100 million people have lost their insurance"
that`s 1/3rd the population of the usa. where`d you get that statistic? seems implausible"

He left out the rest of the sentence:

100 million people have lost their insurance because in most cases it was replaced by cheaper insurance with better coverage.
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Male 8,132
Crakr and MeGrendel

This isn`t a partisan issue. I didn`t like to daily kos or mother jones. I linked to Gallup. Is that liberally biased now?

Is it IMPOSSIBLE for you guys to be happy about anything positive under this administration? If Bush had done a healthcare reform that added insurance for 11 million uninsured in 6 months you guys would be on the roof tops shouting about how good it was. Guess what, I WOULD TOO. I support good things no matter which president does them. You guys are pathetic.
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Male 358
crakrjak,
"100 million people have lost their insurance"
that`s 1/3rd the population of the usa. where`d you get that statistic? seems implausible
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Male 8,132
Crakr

"The exchange roll-out was a complete disaster, known felons are employed as facilitators, patients health information is being leaked and doctors still aren`t being paid by the government. In fact, the medicare workload, in most states, is over 6 months behind. Illinois has over 2500 cases per caseworker and patients are getting bills they can`t pay, because of it."

Totally agree the website was an absolute disaster. If the rest of this stuff is accurate that sucks as well. Very few things are perfect right off the bat. A system working with errors that need to be fixed is better than no system at all isn`t it?
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Male 8,132
Crakr

"Insurance rates have doubled for many people"

Link? Provide the proof. Because the last time you guys posted something on here about how people`s insurance went WAYYYYY up it took me 10 minutes of research to find out it actually went down. You`re just regurgitating right wing spam. All those interviews of people on FOX News complaining about how much their insurance was going up when IN REALITY it was going down.
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Male 8,132
Crakr

"Let`s take on the first. Dems said that over 33 million people were without insurance, before the ACA. So right of the bat it`s only helped 1/3rd of the people it was intended to help."

Holy s.hit you crack me up. It is half a year in. So it is an absolute failure because in 6 months only 1/3rd of people got insurance? Did anyone project all 33 million would be insured in the first 6 months?

So in your mind when Bush, Clinton, Bush, Reagan, etc did nothing to help uninsured people get insurance in multiple years it was better than Obama ONLY getting 11 million people in 6 months?

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Male 7,740
Now now, CrakrJak, using facts in an argument against liberals is not allowed.

It`s all about `the feels`.
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Male 7,740
Is this provided by the same people that calculate the Unemployment numbers?
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Male 17,512
Obama care is still an utter failure for several reasons. Let`s take on the first. Dems said that over 33 million people were without insurance, before the ACA. So right of the bat it`s only helped 1/3rd of the people it was intended to help.

Meanwhile 100 million people have lost their existing insurance because of Obamacare, which was promised to, "If you like your insurance you can keep it." That`s one of Obama`s big whopper, pants on fire, lies right there. Insurance rates have doubled for many people and those that can no longer afford it are being pushed onto the exchanges.

The exchange roll-out was a complete disaster, known felons are employed as facilitators, patients health information is being leaked and doctors still aren`t being paid by the government. In fact, the medicare workload, in most states, is over 6 months behind. Illinois has over 2500 cases per caseworker and patients are getting bills they can`t pay, because of it.
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Male 6,656
Clearly we should scrap Obamacare for the GOP version which is..................Oh yea they don`t have a solution. NVM!
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Male 1,461
Oooh, I love troll bait! I`ll get the popcorn...
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Female 3,392
gee.. i wonder why...
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Male 8,132
Link: Uninsured Rate Drops To 13.4% [Pic+] [Rate Link] - 11,000,000 unisinsured Americans insured in 6 months.
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