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26 Responses to Republican EPA Heads Testify On Climate Change

  1. Profile photo of FoolsPrussia
    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
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    June 20, 2014 at 3:59 pm
    Link: Republican EPA Heads Testify On Climate Change - Meet the experts in Congress. From The Daily Show.
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    SmagBoy1 Male 40-49
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    June 22, 2014 at 9:12 am
    Get me muh smellin` turds! HA! :-)
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    piratefish Male 40-49
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    June 22, 2014 at 11:43 am
    Did anyone listen to what Ruckelhaus said? He said there is legitimate debate about the impact man is having on climate change. Of course idiots love to glance over that fact.

    Yes, the climate is changing - it`s been happening in unavoidable cycles for millions of years. Does man have much to do with it? Hardly.
  4. Profile photo of FoolsPrussia
    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
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    June 22, 2014 at 11:53 am
    @piratefish:

    How about posting the actual quote?

    `"Inherent in all of these problems was uncertain science and powerful economic interests resisting controls. The same is true of climate change," said Ruckelshaus, who also led the agency under Reagan. "In all of the cases cited, the solutions to the problems did not result in the predicted economic and social calamity."`

    And why is he pushing for a carbon tax?

    Republican EPA heads endorse climate change action
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    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
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    June 22, 2014 at 12:16 pm
    Addendum: The "all these cases" he`s referring to are other actions taken on the environment.

    From this story.
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    SmagBoy1 Male 40-49
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    June 22, 2014 at 12:24 pm
    piratefish, he said right in the video that though the "rate" might be debatable, man-made CO2 is an affecting factor. He said it right.in.the.video. What are we supposedly missing?
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    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
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    June 22, 2014 at 12:37 pm
    @SmagBoy: That`s another example of the selective hearing these guys seem to have on this issue. They only hear the part they want.

    It`s like if a movie reviewer said, "this is a great movie to watch if you don`t like competent filmmaking" and the movie studio used only the "this is a great movie" part on their poster.
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    jops360 Male 30-39
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    June 22, 2014 at 12:51 pm
    piratefish - hardly is still some. granted i believe its more but no matter what we are still adding to it. please tell me how 7 billion people has no effect on the environment. how over 35 billion metric tonnes of carbon emissions cant possibly hurt the world. the scariest part about all of this is that the effect keeps multiplying each year.
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    piratefish Male 40-49
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    June 22, 2014 at 1:03 pm
    "We believe there is legitimate scientific debate over the pace and effects of climate change..."

    When put into context, Ruckelhaus means that many debate just how much of an impact mankind`s activities are having on the pace and effects of climate change.

    I remember watching a documentary on volcanoes a few years ago where a volcanologist stated that s single eruption the size of the 1980 Mount St. Helens eruption spews more greenhouse gases into the atmosphere than everything humankind does combined in a decade, and that there are several such eruptions during any given year. (However, no correlation was inferred with climate change.)

    I`ve also heard astrophysicists state that sun cycles, changes in the Earth`s elliptical orbit and its wobble are what causes ice ages. They also note that Mars is currently experiencing global warming, too, which makes me think we don`t have much impact on what is happening.
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    piratefish Male 40-49
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    June 22, 2014 at 1:11 pm
    @jops360:

    I don`t doubt that we`re affecting climate change, but I do doubt there is much we can do to significantly slow the naturally inevitable. I have heard some argue that even if we were to adopt the most extreme measures of the Kyoto Accord we could, at best, hope to delay the effects of climate change by a few years, and that it would cost the global economy trillions of dollars. I just don`t think it`s worth it to deliberately create the worst economy the world has ever seen to postpone the inevitable by less than a decade.

    I also have a difficult time trusting a lot of what is said when the global cap and trade market is a multi-billion dollar a year money maker, and the ones who are profiting enormously from it are also the very ones who are funding most of the research linking man`s activities to climate change. I`ve spent too long in finance not to know that money and greed drive nearly everything on this planet.
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    piratefish Male 40-49
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    June 22, 2014 at 1:20 pm
    @SmagBoy:

    Ruckelhaus said "...(there`s) no legitimate debate over the fact of the Earth`s warming, or man`s contribution..."

    He did not say anything about the degree to which man is affecting global warming. In fact, a statement to that effect is specifically missing from hi comment.

    As I have said many times, I don`t doubt that we are having an impact on global warming. I`m just dubious as to how great it is. Especially when one considers that Mars is also currently experiencing a similar increase in global temperatures.

    To me this indicates that the Sun is the greatest cause, by far, and not anything man is doing. Especially considering that volcanoes are easily outpacing all of man`s efforts each and every year, and have been for millions of years.

    Yeah, we`re probably speeding it up a little, but from what I have read and seen, it sounds negligible (maybe a decade or so at best).
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    davymid Male 30-39
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    June 22, 2014 at 4:00 pm
    "Especially considering that volcanoes are easily outpacing all of man`s efforts each and every year, and have been for millions of years. "

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    This is wrong. The USGS (US Geological Survey) estimates that volcanoes pump out on average about 200 million tonnes of CO2 annually. Not a small amount, but even 5-6 years ago, human activity was pumping out 26.8 BILLION tonnes annually. Volcanoes are less than 1% of human output.

    Another example: When the Eyjafjallajokull volcano erupted in Iceland in 2010, it shut down all flights over northern Europe for about a week. It was the biggest eruption in terms of CO2 output that year. Yet it was the world`s first Carbon-Neutral volcano. Literally. The amount of CO2 NOT pumped into the atmosphere from airliners in northern Europe alone was completely offset by the CO2 from that volcano. Never mind that cars, airliners, power stations etc across the rest of the planet kept on pumping.
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    richanddead Male 18-29
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    June 22, 2014 at 4:19 pm
    I agree with @piratefish, is carbon a greenhouse gas. Yes, I think we all agree with that. But carbon doesn`t trap that much heat. Currently, we are at 380 ppm of carbon in the atmosphere. Thats super low by earth standards. But even when the carbon was at 5600 ppm, it still didn`t affect the climate much. Infact, we had global cooling and a million year ice age. Carbon has had no correlation to temperature for billions of years, now suddenly it`s the end all be all of climate.

    Look, I could say your breath has carbon in it, therefore there is no legitimate debate that your breath affects the climate. But you could breath until you hyperventilate and I`m betting you won`t change the climate of the earth.

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    ArgusTuft Male 50-59
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    June 22, 2014 at 4:30 pm
    Ian the climate denialist potato
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    piratefish Male 40-49
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    June 22, 2014 at 6:08 pm
    @davymid:

    There are other greenhouse gasses besides CO2.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    June 22, 2014 at 6:18 pm
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    davymid Male 30-39
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    June 22, 2014 at 6:27 pm
    vv I know pirate. Methane is orders of magnitude more powerful as a greenhouse gas. But volcanoes aren`t pumping out methane (at least, only in infinitessimal amounts compared to other gasses), but e.g. cattle and landfills are serious contributors - this is almost entirely due to human activity. There are others of course, but CO2 is hugely significant in terms of absolute volumes.

    By the way, I don`t care about the political stance on this (I`m a professional geoscientist, working in the oil industry no less). I`m just pointing out that human activity has had, and will continue to have, a significant effect on atmospheric CO2 levels in modern times.
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    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
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    June 22, 2014 at 8:11 pm
    "When the Eyjafjallajokull volcano erupted in Iceland in 2010, it shut down all flights over northern Europe for about a week. It was the biggest eruption in terms of CO2 output that year. Yet it was the world`s first Carbon-Neutral volcano. Literally. The amount of CO2 NOT pumped into the atmosphere from airliners in northern Europe alone was completely offset by the CO2 from that volcano. Never mind that cars, airliners, power stations etc across the rest of the planet kept on pumping."

    That is REALLY interesting. I hadn`t heard that. Thanks, Davymid, I`m going to look into that.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    June 22, 2014 at 9:15 pm
    The earth balances CO2 out and has done so for millions of years. The chicken little scaremongering has become so shrill and reactionary to criticism, that it`s almost equal to political correctness in terms of it`s fascism.

    If you resist the liberal tyranny, if you doubt anything they say is "fact" or "consensus", be prepared to be tarred and feathered, then run out on a rail.

    It`s astounding to me how many people take Jon Stewart seriously. He`s a comedian, not a reporter. Not that the liberal reporters are any more reputable, because they aren`t.
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    broizfam Male 60-69
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    June 23, 2014 at 4:49 am
    On the other hand, ANYTHING that worries a liberal but conservatives are too blind and stupid to recognize as even possibly a legitimate concern is tagged with the insult of "scaremongering" and then simply ignored. Certainly there are liberals (or, at least, those who see themselves as such) who want to tell everyone how to act and are shrieking,m scaremongering doomsayers.There are also plenty of heads-up-their-a$$e$ brain-dead conservative morons who shriek, just as loudly and just as stupidly that no such thing can exist.The truth is typically somewhere in the middle.In this case that means we are likely adding to what is a naturally occurring cycle.Then the question is whether our addition makes that natural cycle dangerous or more so,and,if so, whether we can take actions to mitigate that.
    So conservatives,try to get your heads unstuck from your gigantic a$$h*les and atke part in the scientific debate,or just shut up. Extreme "liberals",too!
  21. Profile photo of FoolsPrussia
    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
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    June 23, 2014 at 7:32 am
    @CJ: Why don`t you comment on the actual content of the post?
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    normalfreak2 Male 18-29
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    June 23, 2014 at 7:37 am
    Gonna side with our resident expert Davymid here.
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
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    June 23, 2014 at 10:18 am
    single eruption the size of the 1980 Mount St. Helens eruption spews more greenhouse gases into the atmosphere than everything humankind does combined in a decade
    Since you don`t understand climate or volcanoes I`ll help. Volcanoes also release sulfur oxides into the atmosphere which reflect solar rays and obscure the relationship between greenhouse gases to climate change. Thus volcanic eruptions are rarely correlated to warming, but that doesn`t mean that they don`t contribute. Comparing human emissions to volcanic eruptions is disingenuous, at best.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    June 23, 2014 at 7:45 pm
    FoolsPrussiaL I did comment on it. Jon Stewart is a douchenozzle that`s all anyone needs to know.
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    June 23, 2014 at 10:42 pm
    No one ever said that Republicans can`t be idiots, too. In general, whenever they agree with Democrats, they`re idiots.
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    BoredFrank Male 40-49
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    June 22, 2015 at 10:33 am
    Anyone who denies climate change is a fool.

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