Over 40% Of Americans Believe [Pic+]

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The Earth is only 10,000 years old. This explains so much.
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Male 884
@Essersmith
I like your new definition of science. You should talk to science and see if they will adopt it.

Also, can you do all that for AGW or does that therefore not exist either because as far as I have seen, they are having some trouble quantifying it.

Or maybe some things are difficult to measure, you know like the Mars probe that missed by millions of miles because the trajectory was a fraction of a degree off?

As I said, I thought your "New Science" interesting
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Male 275
Doubtful that anyone will ever return to this page but here goes:
If something exists, it can be scientifically quantified (measured and evaluated relative to its mass, energy, location, capabilities, and other qualities). For example, scientists have quantified millions of items ranging from from dark holes in outer space to tiny atomic particles (such as the recently discovered Higgs Boson). If something cannot be scientifically quantified, it does not exist (in the real universe).
Spiritual entities such as gods, devils, heavens, hells, angles, the tooth fairy, etc. have never been and cannot be scientifically quantified. Therefore these spiritual items do not exist (except in the imagination of religious individuals).

About state and church :
And none of them have political power. Again your pointing at monarchies are irrelevant.
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Male 6,070
"it`s impossible to answer this question"

Yeah, I`d say that`s right. I don`t understand the statement that "such a being can`t exist, even in theory". Considering we`re talking about a superbeing who is unconstrained by the laws of physics (as we understand them), and may have created them, I have to say that that statement cannot be backed up.
Understand that I`m NOT a believer, but I feel that if you believe and feel better for that, good for you! And carry on, too. Just don`t try to force me into your belief and don`t make religion based laws that I`m expected to follow - I`m not, of course talking about "Thou shalt not kill", I`m talking about things like no meat on Friday, no shopping on Sunday, etc. Jews don`t try to make pork products and shrimp illegal in this country, Christians shouldn`t try to keep me from shopping on Sunday. Fair is fair.
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Male 14,331
[quote]And judging from your first post here, you wont adress the arguements so you point at something irrelevant. Good method you got going there[/quote]

We`ve been over these about every page on this site. People say god exists and you want scientific evidence then say there`s no way a god can exist and don`t give any proof either because you can`t it`s impossible to answer this question. You sum up evangelical atheists perfectly thinking you`re so smart when you`re actually a pretentious moron following other pretentiou8s morons ideals.
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Male 14,331
[quote]But then again, from earlyer "conversations" with you I have learned that you believe every european to be from the UK,[/quote]

Well let see I`m not a psychic so `ll have to go with a common denominator that and I said [quote]As for those from the UK you have no place to talk ask the royal family who elected them and look at who the head of your STATE church is....[/quote] that statement would be referring to a specific group now wouldn`t it. BTW it`s not just the UK that has a state church and royals elected by god so that point is moot.
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Male 275
The choirs of heaven truly sings when you utter words. Its quite amazing.
But then again, from earlyer "conversations" with you I have learned that you believe every european to be from the UK, you dont even attempt to use arguments, you are incapable of viewing an issue from oter sides and you have just about 2 settings; rage and namecalling.

And judging from your first post here, you wont adress the arguements so you point at something irrelevant. Good method you got going there.

Care to answer the question HG posed? Nah I thought so.
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Male 14,331
No rage no trolls only truths that`s why that`s the only answer you have.
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Male 275
Wow so trolly, much rage. Good old McG.
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Male 14,331
YEs be like all us atheists we have the answers to the unanswerable yet can`t see the irony there......aren`t we so smart! I`d have to question the accuracy of this considering the poster of this thinks the moon landings are fake and posted "legit" links about it.

As for those from the UK you have no place to talk ask the royal family who elected them and look at who the head of your STATE church is....
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Male 275
Lets entertain the idea that there are 7 dimensions that we cannot percieve even with machines (I take the liberty to assume that "machines" is laymans terms for = no way possible to interact or in any way measure, even in theory)
Then the same arguement would have to be true the other way around aswell... Therefore according to logic it could not possibly have created earth or have any influence whatsoever on ours or any creatures existance.

If we assume that in time we will be able to measure or even travel to one of these said dimensions, then the beings within would likewise be measuable and therefore not possibly "god".

About the question. You are correct, it is a question designed to make you look bad. The problem remains the same however.
Believing in god is a thing that if you say A you are forced to say B and so on. Any deviation from this is strictly speaking the same as not saying A to begin with.
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Male 17,512
Essersmith: "Such a being that you describe, cannot exist, even in theory."

Actually according to recent string theory there are at least 11 dimensions, 7 of which we cannot perceive even with machines. That would leave plenty of room for a Supreme Being to exist right there.

SleepyH: "Crakr, I hope the Tree of Knowledge falls on your head so you die ironically."

How would you feel if I wished a lightning bolt to hit you? Think about it awhile, then stop being a troll.

Essersmith:"HG hes not going to answer that question"

No, it`s because it simply doesn`t matter how "old" I think it is. It`s a bullsh|t question that you have pre-written atheist rebuttals for. God simply exists outside our timeline and can manipulate it to his will.

2 Peter 3:8 "But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day."
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Male 275
@747
Wether or not I understand is not important. And as I said earlyer, a being such as god, cannot exist, even in theory.
The implications of believing in a "well" defined being ("well" defined biblically anyway) force you to take a stand on a range of other topics. Its incredibly hipocritical to believe in god yet accept that we (and other species) evolved in any shape or form.

Simply answering "I dont know" is strictly the same answer as 6 billion years, because he is questioning the validity of religious scholars story.
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Male 1,454
Essersmith: He could easily say "I don`t know", you know. Btw, God does exist, so don`t close yourself to the possibility, even though you can`t understand how now.

HG: CrakrJak is right.. it still seems like you`re relying on prejudice and bias. You know, that type of thing doesn`t help causes, right? Well, unless your goal is to become bigoted...
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Male 275
HG hes not going to answer that question, regardless of how he answers it, he will lose face.
If he indeed believe that the world is 10.000 years old, he is in the religious nut group. If he accepts that earth is 6 billion years old he indirectly agrees with you. Neither of which he wants to do.

Besides evading hard to answer questions and ignoring statements is what he does best.
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Male 1,983
Crakr, I hope the Tree of Knowledge falls on your head so you die ironically.
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Male 1,983
Let`s take a close look at the Christian Fundamentalist timeline for God:

6,500 BC: Creates entire cosmos out of absolutely nothing
5,000 BC: Floods planet in vengeful wrath, saves madman who he told to build boat
3,500 BC: Parts Red Sea to save his most faithful
1 BC: Impregnates a virgin
33 AD: Sacrifices his only begotten son to restore the faith and his powers
390 AD: Inspires followers to begin taking over Europe
1300s AD: Gets vengeful with followers again, kills 2/3rds of Europe
1776 AD: Loses His power to control governments
Present: Appears magically on toast
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Male 1,983
I find the 13.4 Billion year naturally-driven evolution of the universe and life to be much more miraculous than some over-glorified magician pulling a universe fully formed out of a hat.

Is you "God" really no better than a bad stage act?
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Male 9,526
Crakr

"I don`t care to argue about how old the earth is"

It`s a simple question. Do you think the Earth is 10,000 years old or do you think it is 6 billion years old?

"Then you call "third world" people uneducated and uncivilized"

Yes. Because I know what those words mean. If someone has no access to education then they are uneducated. That isn`t a put down. It`s just what the word means.

"And you call me "narrow minded" and "stupid"

Yes. I think you are stupid. However, again, I don`t mean it as a put down. Some people are stupid. It doesn`t mean I hate them or want less for them or that they are less deserving of a good life. It is just what the word means.
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Male 275
" I believe in an all-powerful, all-seeing, all-knowing God. He exists outside the boundaries we perceive, such as time, space, physics, science, etc. A God that powerful can do anything he wants in any amount of time, or none at all. "

Such a being that you describe, cannot exist, even in theory.

And even if we jump into wonderland, why would such a being be the slightest interested in you going to church or talking to it at your bedside every night?
Christianity is not growing, Islam is. Neither of which are any good.
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Male 17,512
HG: I don`t care to argue about how old the earth is, and it doesn`t really matter. I believe in an all-powerful, all-seeing, all-knowing God. He exists outside the boundaries we perceive, such as time, space, physics, science, etc. A God that powerful can do anything he wants in any amount of time, or none at all.

You think if God exists he`d have to follow all the rules that we`ve defined. Since you believe an all-powerful God couldn`t possibly follow those rules, you declare that he couldn`t exist.

Then you call "third world" people uneducated and uncivilized, well that`s mighty "liberal" of you isn`t it?

And you call me "narrow minded" and "stupid", seems to me you`re describing yourself there bud.
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Female 8,006
I have no trouble with religion- not a believer myself- but if you are I wil defend your right to believe what you want up until it affects others. Right- having said THAT- given there is no incompatibility between religious belief and serious science- and evolution is pretty basic stuff then, well, creationists are either badly educated or heavily indoctrinated. or as dumb as a bag of rocks.. but it is frightening and shocking that a 1st world country is THIS badly educated.
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Male 9,526
Crakr

"Once again you`re dealing with you`re own trollish atheist opinion instead of facts."

Do you think the world is 10,000 years old?

"Religion, especially Christianity, is still growing and finding new converts all the time."

I said civilized / educated world. Christianity is NOT growing in the 1st world. Its growing in the third world where they think photographs steal your soul.
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Male 15,187
"`We don`t mock the religious. We mock the stupid.`

Once again you`re dealing with you`re own trollish atheist opinion instead of facts."

CrakrJak qualifies on both counts.
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Male 17,512
HG: "We don`t mock the religious. We mock the stupid."

Once again you`re dealing with you`re own trollish atheist opinion instead of facts.

"Religion is dying out in the civilized / educated world."

Bullsh|t. Religion, especially Christianity, is still growing and finding new converts all the time.
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Male 6,070
I agree with Agent00Smith. I think that some people would perceive the question as asking about their belief in the truthfulness of the Bible and give the 10 thousand year answer becuase they feel obligated to do so. That could really slant the results.
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Male 2,579
Actually, it doesn`t explain anything.
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Male 275
"As part of the Values and Beliefs Survey, Gallup called a random sample of 1,028 landline and cellphone users and asked them which of three descriptions most closely matched their beliefs: that humans have developed over millions of years from less advanced forms of life, but God guided this process; that humans have developed over millions of years from less advanced forms of life, but God had no part in this process; or that God created human beings pretty much in their present form sometime in the last 10,000 years or so."

Its curious to note that none of the options given, allow for a nonexistant god.
And I think the more surprising number of the 3 is that only 19% chose the god had no part in this process.
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Male 275
@747
I cant tell if you are argueing for the theoretic thoughtprocess behind creationism or if believe it to be true. I`m inclined to think the latter.
If this is correct, whats your take on the issue that a being such a god cant logically exist even in theory?

In any case, one thing definately is true, faith or religion wont go away any time soon. And that faith definately has benefits, hollow they might be.
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Male 1,454
Faith in God is a very good thing, and it`s not going away anytime during any of our lifetimes.

While i understand the reasoning behind the 6000-10000 years ago creation, based on the generations of people in the Bible, it`s safe to say that the precise date it all began is not a requirement of the faith.

Love is though.

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Male 275
@LordJim
N.Korea is a different beast all together. We from the outside judge the country as failing, but from the inside (and the top) do they percieve the dream as functioning? Its not unfair to speculate that its "working" as intended.

Ofcourse the US is better than that. There is a long way from 40+% poppulation selectively believeing in supernatural beings such as god (but oddly enough not in all supernatural beings), to a "civilization" forced into ruin by a, in my opinion, failed experiment.

Lets not forget that the US is leading in many areas of technologies and benefits greatly from luring the best and brightest with funding.

On a related note: I bet many other countries can produce similar scary stats. Ignorance is pretty universal.
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Male 7,123
Essersmith

Unfortunately thosse seeking public office must declare themselves on the side of ignorance because the ignorant demographic is so dominant.

Far cry from the founding fathers.

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Male 7,123
Essersmith

Because seeking an easy to control population means chasing N.Korea to the bottom.

America is btter than that.
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Male 275
"Though the percentage of people who believe in creationism has changed little over the decades, the percentage of people who believe humans evolved without God has more than doubled, and the percentage who believe in God-guided evolution has decreased. "

I guess thats a step.
What would be interesting to know is; the numbers from those holding public office and even more interesting, those who hold sensitive positions (military and such).
Its scary to contemplate that those holding their fingers on nuclear launch buttons might have trouble acting logically.

Old beliefs die hard, and the more challenged it becomes the more extreme the defenders become.
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Male 275
@LordJim
It kinda makes sense. Assuming that the data in the article is correct (lets hope its not). A nation largely consisting of people who believe in illogical things, are much easyer to control. So why not?
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Male 7,123
`...and this matters because...?`

It matters because the future of the USA as a serious cultural, scientific and economic force depends on it having a highly scientifically literate population.

Not a bunch of rubes.

When politicians feel they have to deny (or wriggle round) evolution to get elected then what chance of evolutionary science being properly supported? First thing that springs to mind is antibiotics.

It matters.
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Male 7,123
I have only met one YEC and he knocked on my door. He was a JW and a nice little Scottish man with a silent mousy companion. We had a nice long chat and I was at my most charming (and that is some serious charm) but after an hour he was anxious to leave.

It was like talking to a sponge.
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Male 15,832
...and this matters because...?
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Male 9,526
Denogginizer

"haven`t mocked the religious yet today, better get on that."

We don`t mock the religious. We mock the stupid. Its just by pure coincidence that they are rarely mutually exclusive. If you look at a carbon dated fossil and think satan put it here to test our faith you deserve to be mocked. Getting your stupid from an old book doesn`t make you exempt.
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Male 7,774
Mikeoxsbiggg - I find it hard to converse with people who believe those things. It`s like talking to a lamp.

As is proven on here daily, Mike.
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Male 1,558
And this s hit is allowed and not corrected and these fools want to run the world. F UCK RELIGIONS
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Male 820
*checks watch* yup, haven`t mocked the religious yet today, better get on that.
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Male 9,526
I know this looks disheartening, but it is lower than it was 5 years ago and MUCH lower than it was 20 years ago.

Religion is dying out in the civilized / educated world. Each generation that dies send the number lower.
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Male 358
No wonder china & india get all the good jobs....better educated 3rd worlders.
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Male 1,497
I find it hard to converse with people who believe those things. It`s like talking to a lamp.
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Male 2,670
This is what happens when ignorance is venerated and science is demonized.
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Female 87
i find it terrifying that so many adults in america believe life was only created 10,000 years ago, living in the UK i dont believe that anyone i know believes that this could even remotely be true, i know many people that believe in god but i know that they also know that evolution is the process on how we come to be, but i think that is partly because it is taught in school from a young age, and i know i was certainly never taught that even the bible said that life was only created 10000 years ago
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Male 4,745
This is just embarrassing and despicable. It`s time to stop the brainwashing and move beyond the 2000 year old fairy tales.
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Male 7,031

"Facts are stubborn things, but statistics are pliable."
- Mark Twain
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Male 7,774
Link: Over 40% Of Americans Believe [Pic+] [Rate Link] - The Earth is only 10,000 years old. This explains so much.
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