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  1. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
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    June 13, 2014 at 5:41 am
    Link: Obama Fiddles While The World Burns - A quick roundup of what`s going wrong while Obama goes golfing, fundraising.
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    patchouly Male 40-49
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    June 13, 2014 at 7:37 am
    You mean the U.S. is actually keeping their noses out of other countries business? More proof that Obama was the right choice.
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    normalfreak2 Male 18-29
    3362 posts
    June 13, 2014 at 7:42 am
    Honest to goodness we are ending our foreign conflicts. How the drat are conservatives upset about this? We should have never even gone to Iraq but we did, We aren`t the world police. Crimea from almost all accounts was mostly ethnic Russian anyways.

    Who are we to tell Russia to stop, the only thing that`s going to stop them is either another cold war or trying to damage them economically.

    Those other countries? Who cares. There`s 200 other countries in the world let someone else take some responsibility.
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
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    June 13, 2014 at 7:50 am
    You`re right, it is much better to spend billions and billions of dollars fighting a war that is unwinnable. Saudis are financing the Sunnis, so now they are bankrolled and equipped. If Bush had pulled out the situation would have been exactly the same. Why bother going back? All the time and money spent there is a sunk cost, you can`t get it back and spending *more* money isn`t going to solve anything. Honestly instead of complaining about troops coming home, tell me what Obama could have done that would have made conservatives happy, if such a thing exists.
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    normalfreak2 Male 18-29
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    June 13, 2014 at 8:01 am
    The only way to end all of the middle east conflicts is to eradicate them all. That`s it. I`m pretty sure if we did that there would be much more severe consequences.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    June 13, 2014 at 8:07 am
    Who are we to tell Russia to stop, the only thing that`s going to stop them is either another cold war or trying to damage them economically.

    Wasn`t that Obama?
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    danagamer Male 30-39
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    June 13, 2014 at 8:30 am
    no more wars please you stupid Cliven Bundy tea-bag duchers
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    jops360 Male 30-39
    689 posts
    June 13, 2014 at 8:38 am
    i love how 5kats tried to get people pissed at this yet everyone here seems just fine with not going to war.
    the one thing i want to add is, Obama does not have some sort of super power that can change the country. yes, he can put policies on priority, veto bills and negotiate with foreign leaders but thats about it. everything else has to go through both the house and the senate.
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    normalfreak2 Male 18-29
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    June 13, 2014 at 8:45 am
    "Wasn`t that Obama?"

    Yea I don`t mind that he`s going after them economically. That`s probably the smartest response based on what I`ve been reading. I`m not very eager to get into another Cold War with each country threatening one another with absolute destruction
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    turdburglar Male 30-39
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    June 13, 2014 at 8:46 am

    5cats - What is the Canadian prime minister doing while the world burns?
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    jops360 Male 30-39
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    June 13, 2014 at 8:49 am
    have to add. this should really be called "Obama fiddles while the third world burns". that said, who cares. let them kill each other. we are not the world police, we have no right pushing our values on other countries. if they want out, they know where to go.
    i say, lets check ourselves before we wreck ourselves. too do that though would require that a lot of people stop taking free money or make laws that make them poorer. not an easy sell.

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    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
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    June 13, 2014 at 9:04 am
    If you`re going to blame someone for not wanting to get involved in this stuff, blame Americans in general. Most of us are exhausted from being the world police. Part of the reason we elected Obama was to get us out of Iraq, remember?

    I should add that Obama has tried at times to get us more involved militarily (Syria) and overwhelming public and governmental response forced him to scrap those plans.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    June 13, 2014 at 9:28 am
    Yea I don`t mind that he`s going after them economically. That`s probably the smartest response based on what I`ve been reading. I`m not very eager to get into another Cold War with each country threatening one another with absolute destruction

    That`s the road you go down whe you cut a country off economically. You are aware we cut Japan off like that right before the attacked us in 1941? You seem to forget Obama wanted us in Syria too....

    If you want to stay out of it then really stay out of it.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    June 13, 2014 at 9:31 am
    You mean the U.S. is actually keeping their noses out of other countries business?

    We`ll get bitched at for that too soon enough cause that`s all the rest of the lot are capable of now.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    June 13, 2014 at 10:09 am
    5Cats

    Pick up a gun and go fight you f.ucking chicken hawk. So easy to sit on your ass and want other people to go put their lives on the line.

    Also, no job is 24/365. The president isn`t allowed 4 hours to golf?

    As of last summer Obama had taken 92 days of vacation in 4 and a half years in office. The average worker gets two weeks of vacation a year and their weekends off. In 4 and a half years the average american gets 513 days off. Bush had 367 days off at this point in his presidency. Link.

    Take your bulls.hit somewhere else. Nobody here is buying it.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    June 13, 2014 at 10:23 am
    patchgrabber

    "tell me what Obama could have done that would have made conservatives happy, if such a thing exists."

    This
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    sosueme1966 Male 40-49
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    June 13, 2014 at 10:47 am
    As expected, the author doesn`t even suggest a solution. What does he propose? Another Iraq war? Why, because it worked so well the first time?
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    whodat6484 Male 30-39
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    June 13, 2014 at 10:59 am
    Yeah, let`s go back to Iraq for another 10 years, that sounds like fun.

    Why don`t you put your money where your mouth is? If you think something has to be done then man up and f*cking do it yourself instead of sitting in front of your computer playing Armchair General.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    31759 posts
    June 13, 2014 at 11:24 am
    @Patchouly: "Noses out" in a VERY selective way: Libya for example. Mr. Peace Prize has NO problems violating the US Constitution and invading sovereign nations.

    @jops360: "super power" that`s odd, Obama and his team claimed he did have.

    @FoolsPrussia: That "red line" that kept moving? You mean the Repubs MOVED HIS LINE! Omg, those bastards!
    Also: @FP are you saying those below are WRONG? That Obama really DOES want military actions?
    Divided Liberal opinion here? lolz!

    @hg: His golf trips take 6-8 hours, pretty much an all-day event.
    You CONVENIENTLY ignore his golf time AND his massive fundraising, MORE than the previous 4 PotUS combined! 28 years vs 6 and he`s spent more time off than all of them.

    @whodat: Funny, BUSH was blamed for EVERY TINY mistake "intelligence" made. Obama drops the ball repeatedly and you... MAKE EXCUSES??
    And change the subject.
    Not good.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    June 13, 2014 at 11:32 am
    5Cats

    "You CONVENIENTLY ignore his golf time AND his massive fundraising, MORE than the previous 4 PotUS combined!"

    Link to proof.

    "BUSH was blamed for EVERY TINY mistake "intelligence" made."

    1. There were 13 embassy attacks under Bush and 60 deaths yet I don`t remember any of them being turned into year long headline news and multiple hearings and inquiries like the right did with benghazi. Do you?

    2. I`d say september 11th was more than just a "tiny" intelligence mistake don`t you? I never blamed bush. I don`t remember many people at all blaming him.
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    June 13, 2014 at 11:44 am
    Worst. President. EVAR!!!
  22. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
    31759 posts
    June 13, 2014 at 11:44 am
    @hg: 9/11 started under Clinton, and you "don`t remember" people blaming Bush?
    Let Me Jog Your Memory
    Who do you think 9/11 "Truthers" are? Republicans? BZZT!

    As for attacks, how many did Bush lie about & send his cronies out to deliberately lie about?
    How many times did he refuse to send help? Cover up his role? None. But Obama sure did! HE knew From Day Zero that it was a terrorist attack, NOT a spontaneous riot caused by a video...

    And AGAIN I remind you that many of Bush`s "vacations" (at his ranch!) were in fact low-key meetings with international figures. Working. On the WEEKEND. Not fundraising. Not golfing.
    You know: doing his Presidential Job.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    31759 posts
    June 13, 2014 at 11:52 am
    I don`t remember many people at all blaming him.(Bush)


    Only the MSM, The Democrat party, Rosie O`Donnell and all the Truthers...
    ASIDE from them... not too many...
    Hundreds of "Peace Marches" with hundreds of Democrat speakers, including Nancy Pelosi! You`ve forgotten those, eh?

    To this DAY the MSM tries to sneak "Bush Knew" into every discussion of 9/11.

    But Benghazi? "What difference does it make... now?" Obama cannot possibly be even ASKED about it! Every excuse imaginable has been "floated" without success...
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    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
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    June 13, 2014 at 11:53 am
    5Cats is a sith. Your hatred makes him stronger.
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    whodat6484 Male 30-39
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    June 13, 2014 at 12:06 pm
    "Funny, BUSH was blamed for EVERY TINY mistake "intelligence" made."

    HAHAHA!!! Dubya, Cheney & Rumsfeld started an unnecessary war based on lies. There`s documented proof that they had a hard-on to go into Iraq and all they needed was to find (or make up) an excuse to do so. This
    memo from Nov 27, 2001 lists possible ways to start an Iraq war. Look at the part under the heading "How Start?" that says:

    - Dispute over WMD inspections?
    - Start now thinking about inspection demands.

    That means they were thinking a good way to start a war would be to create a dispute over the WMD inspections the UN was performing. It wasn`t an intelligence failure, it was a f*cking lie.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
    6183 posts
    June 13, 2014 at 12:13 pm
    OldOllie

    "Worst. President. EVAR!!!"

    Truly?

    What are the 5 WORST things that happened under the Obama presidency?

    Bush had:
    Katrina
    The Patriot Act
    September 11th
    The Iraq War
    The Great Recession

    The worst natural disaster and response in American history.
    The worst elimination of privacy and civil liberties in American history.
    The worst foreign attack or terrorist attack in American history.
    A completely unnecessary war resulting in 100,000+ deaths.
    The worst economic crash since 1929.

    Please list Obama`s 5 worst.
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    normalfreak2 Male 18-29
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    June 13, 2014 at 12:17 pm
    9-11 truthers are generally conspiracy nuts like my brother who is an emphatic alex jones listener. They are the extreme right wing. I assume there are some liberal groups that are probably truther`s too but The vast majority I know are card carrying GOPtards.
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    normalfreak2 Male 18-29
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    June 13, 2014 at 12:20 pm
    I`ll get this one for OldOllie

    Liberal
    Obamacare
    Black
    Not a real citizen
    Black
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    turdburglar Male 30-39
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    June 13, 2014 at 1:18 pm

    5cats responded to everyone else on this thread, except me.

    I win.

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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    June 13, 2014 at 2:49 pm
    Again @WhoDat: Changing the topic does NOT prove Obama is right...

    @hg: What -exactly- did Bush do wrong for 9/11? For Katrina?
    He declared an emergency 3 DAYS BEFORE it hit, I saw him do it! What ELSE could he do? Drive to NO himself with a bailing bucket?

    Depression happened under Dem House and Senate. It was caused by Clinton`s laws which were backed by Dems AGAINST Repub reform attempts.
    Obama made it worse.
    Obama re-signed the PA.

    "Unnecessary War" that was heavily supported by the Dems, the UN and the rest of the world.

    Also: Changing the subject doesn`t make Obama any "more right".

    @normalfreak2: Rosie OD, Nancy Pelosi? MSNBC? Those are "right wing" now? Oooo-kay then! :-|

    @turdy: #1 it`s not Canada`s fault.
    #2 no one cares what Stephan is doing.
    But you do win, have a cookie!
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    June 13, 2014 at 3:14 pm
    5Cats

    "What -exactly- did Bush do wrong for 9/11? For Katrina?"

    Well, ummmm, I`d say appointing a guy as the head of FEMA whose previous job experience was Judges and Stewards Commissioner for the International Arabian Horse Association as a favor to his campaign manager was a huge f.ucking mistake.

    Politics aside can we really NOT agree on that?
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    June 13, 2014 at 3:47 pm
    OH god Katrina?? If we had Obama in the WH then it`d been the same that was bound to happen there cause no one did anything about the levys after years and years of engineers saying do something.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    June 13, 2014 at 3:57 pm
    appointing a guy
    And HE DID what wrong, exactly? Massed resources outside the destruction zone and came in as fast as possible after?

    The Democrat Mayor, who REFUSED to evacuate, is blameless?
    The thousands who refused to leave are blameless?
    The "Gangs" who SHOT AT rescuers are blameless?

    Everyone is blameless, except BUSH! Who did nothing wrong.

    whose previous job experience
    Do you really want to "go there"? Obama hasn`t appointed ANYONE who wasn`t 100% qualified? NOT ONE `political patronage` appointment? Nevermind his own resume??

    @McGovern: Because Hurricane Sandy caused NO DAMAGE due to Obama`s fantastic management! MSNBC said so!
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    June 13, 2014 at 3:59 pm
    McGovern1981

    "If we had Obama in the WH then it`d been the same"

    Nobody sane could possibly blame Bush for the disaster itself.

    It is the federal government`s response to that disaster that you CAN blame him for.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    June 13, 2014 at 4:05 pm
    5Cats

    "Do you really want to "go there"? Obama hasn`t appointed ANYONE who wasn`t 100% qualified? NOT ONE `political patronage` appointment? Nevermind his own resume?? "

    OF COURSE HE HAS. If you want to complain about Obama appointing Geithner as Secretary of Treasury when he owed tens of thousands in back taxes I`ll be right next to you. I`m not a party stooge like you. It is wrong whether there is a D or an R next to their name.
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    Zeegrr60 Male 40-49
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    June 13, 2014 at 5:16 pm
    Here`s the problem-Voters are idiots. They vote for idiots like themselves.People who lie to them so they can hear what they want to hear.It`s not the government-it`s the idiots who voted for it.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    June 13, 2014 at 5:17 pm
    So the POINT @holygod, IS:
    What does Bush`s "mistakes" both real or imagined, have to do with Obama`s DISASTEROUS presidency?

    How does "Bush did it too" excuse Obama`s policies? Appointments? Re-signing of "Bad Bush" laws? Or other assorted mistakes listed in this article?

    Obama has had PLENTY of time, he can NO LONGER Blame Bush for everything! Or racism.

    Yet the Dems, the MSM, and the IAB Liberals, and @WhoDat (who tells me he`s NOT a liberal) ALL MAKE EXCUSES for Obama, rather than ask:
    >What did Obama do wrong
    >What is Obama going to do to FIX IT?

    And by "Obama" I mean The White House and all those people he appointed who have been involved in one scandal after another! OFTEN seeming to originate at the very top: Obama himself, personally.

    Where is the "5th Estate"? The Free Press and Media? Firmly in bed with ONE political party...
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    Mr_Pedo_Bear Male 70 & Over
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    June 13, 2014 at 5:38 pm
    @HG could agree with the video you put up, but disagree with saying it`s because he`s black. It`s a sloppy argument done to just shut debate and paint your enemies as stupid, could it be the system is designed to be as partisan as drat and he is the opposition. Don`t remember republicans being that helpful with Clinton why he had to compromise like crazy.
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    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
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    June 13, 2014 at 5:41 pm
    I love how the people who complain bitterly about our deficit seem to think we should have stayed in Iraq, a $2 trillion toilet of a war.
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    Mr_Pedo_Bear Male 70 & Over
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    June 13, 2014 at 5:45 pm
    But will point out Iraq if left to its own devices will come back with a vengance. Look at South Korea, there is no point whatsoever of going in and doing the Iraq war if you`re not going to stay there and keep it going. The ongoing cost would have been neglible to the long term effort now. Obama has effectively chucked away the trillions already spent, you can say whether or not we should have ever been there in the first place, fine Blair Bush idiots. But it is what it is, we went we spent and we should have continued this is going to bite us in the arse in future and cost even more then because we`re not staying till the job is completely done.
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    whodat6484 Male 30-39
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    June 13, 2014 at 6:16 pm
    @5Cats - You`re the one who brought up Dubya, I didn`t, dumba$$. I`ll copy & paste my first comment and your reply here so you can re-read it without scrolling down to make it easy for you.

    "Yeah, let`s go back to Iraq for another 10 years, that sounds like fun.

    Why don`t you put your money where your mouth is? If you think something has to be done then man up and f*cking do it yourself instead of sitting in front of your computer playing Armchair General."

    YOUR reply to that comment was:

    "Funny, BUSH was blamed for EVERY TINY mistake "intelligence" made."

    You started talking about Bush. My comment was not off topic, Iraq is the very first country mentioned in this article.
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    turdburglar Male 30-39
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    June 13, 2014 at 6:17 pm

    5cats -

    "The world is burning". Fine by me. Let it burn. If you don`t like it, then it`s your problem, you go fix it.
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    whodat6484 Male 30-39
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    June 13, 2014 at 6:25 pm
    And for the record, I`d like to say F*CK NO, we absolutely should NOT go back into that sh*thole, Iraq.

    I say that for one very simple reason. There`s no point in fighting for people who won`t even f*cking fight for themselves. The c*cksuckers we spent time training to defend themselves and gave equipment to dropped their sh*t and f*cking ran at the first sign of trouble. They said, "F*ck this, I don`t want to die, let`s get the f*ck outta here because America will probably come bail us out so we don`t have to do sh*t!"

    There`s absolutely no point in trying to help people like that. If we do, I guarantee the same exact sh*t is going to happen again. F*ck that.
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    Magickrat Male 40-49
    535 posts
    June 13, 2014 at 6:53 pm
    Is Obama the President of Iraq, Pakistan, Ukraine, Russia, Nigeria, Kenya or Syria?

    No?

    Then screw them...
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    Magickrat Male 40-49
    535 posts
    June 13, 2014 at 6:54 pm
    With all due respect 5 Cats.

    A Canadian has absolutely no business bashing an American President...
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
    6183 posts
    June 13, 2014 at 6:58 pm
    5cats

    "What does Bush`s "mistakes" both real or imagined, have to do with Obama`s DISASTEROUS presidency?"

    Nothing. Ollie just said he was the worst President EVER which takes 30 seconds for anyone with a brain to realize isn`t true. All you have to do is look at the previous President.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    31759 posts
    June 13, 2014 at 7:17 pm
    @Mr_Pedo_Bear: Good point! South Korea was held AND defended by the USA (and others, like Canada! :-) ) But that was a different era.
    Now there`s a GLOBAL JIHAD against all of "the west" and it`s high time we understood what the stakes are.
    Bush II did well to bring the fight TO THE ENEMY exactly as Sun Tsu says.

    Obama has frittered away ANY advantage the USA once had through hesitation and weakness. It`s a fact.

    @WhoDat: THIS POST is about OBAMA. Ok? NOT BUSH! You want to defend Obama; step up to the plate and hit my fastball. OR my slider (good luck!).

    @turdy: Obama broke it, y`all have to PAY FOR IT.

    @Magickrat: Well, ignore history much? Y`ALL DID IT! Y`all can fix it. Simple really.
    Or would you rathr RUSSIA or perhaps CHINA fix it? Hells! Be my guest to let THEM run the world.
    We can sell oil to ANYONE
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    31759 posts
    June 13, 2014 at 7:21 pm
    Who is America`s #1 Oil supplier?
    Canada.
    I can BASH anyone I please @Magickrat: Suck it up buttercup! It`s called freedom. Move to China if you don`t like it.

    @WhoDat: WHO is saying go back into Iraq?
    Exactly: NO ONE!
    But WHO is to blame for this "situation"?
    Exactly: OBAMA!

    You feel free to "Blame Bush" for 9/11, but NOT BLAME OBAMA for America`s withdrawal from Iraq? OR it`s Foreign Policy for the past 5 YEARS??

    WTF dude? Shake your head.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    31759 posts
    June 13, 2014 at 7:26 pm
    We ask: What is Obama`s plan?

    Your answer: BLAME BUSH!

    We ask: How did it get this way?

    Your answer: BLAME BUSH!

    Do you see a pattern here yet?

    We say: Obama ordered this, Obama ordered that.

    Your answer: IT`S NOT OBAMA`S FAULT!

    GTFO!

    @hg: Bush > Obama. Period! Remember the promises Obama made? How many have been fulfilled? Like... ONE? And that`s an abject disaster:

    "You have to PASS the Bill to read what`s IN IT."
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    whodat6484 Male 30-39
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    June 13, 2014 at 7:59 pm
    "You feel free to "Blame Bush" for 9/11, but NOT BLAME OBAMA for America`s withdrawal from Iraq?"

    Dear Misinformed 5Cats,

    I give you the US-Iraq Status of Forces Agreement. The plan to withdraw from Iraq was negotiated, drafted, and signed by us and Iraq before Obama took office.



    Here`s the actual text of the document signed by the US Ambassador to Iraq and the Iraqi gov`t on the 17th day of November, 2008.
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    MalcomR Male 50-59
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    June 13, 2014 at 8:00 pm
    Racist bastards, period.
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    turdburglar Male 30-39
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    June 13, 2014 at 8:25 pm


    5cats -
    Iraq, Pakistan, Ukraine, Russia, Nigeria, Kenya, Syria...all the issues in these places are because Obama?

    You are insane.

    "We ask: What is Obama`s plan?

    Your answer:" Don`t worry about it, Canadian.

    Who is this "we"? If you mean "you" the answer is: Don`t worry about it, Canadian.

    "the world burns..."
    Do you even listen to yourself? Such a political drama queen.

    Obama didn`t break the entire eastern hemisphere. He didn`t break anything over there. You are nuts. Even if he did...we don`t care. You pay for it, cry baby.

    It`s pretty simple...If you don`t like it, it`s your problem. Go for it Canada. Do something for once.

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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    June 13, 2014 at 8:27 pm
    @MalcomR Racist bastards, period.

    How deluded and racist can this 5cats doofus be?
    Ah, the race card -- the last card played from a losing hand (which, often as not, is also the first card played).

    Yet another liberal declares intellectual bankruptcy.
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    turdburglar Male 30-39
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    June 13, 2014 at 8:30 pm

    The fact that you think Bush was a good president says it all.

    Even the other 3 nutty extreme conservative IAB nuts don`t have your back on this one.
    Many of us hate Obama, but this is one stupid fight to pick.
    You and your article are calling for Obama to invade half the eastern hemisphere!

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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    June 13, 2014 at 10:24 pm
    Turd: "The fact that you think Bush was a good president says it all."

    The fact that you`re defending Obama says volumes too.
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    jamie76 Male 30-39
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    June 14, 2014 at 2:38 am
    1.8 rating

    OP I think it is safe to say most of us here think this is a completely stupid and BS post...we think other things too but I`ll be polite and not mention it has to do with you.
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    SmagBoy1 Male 40-49
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    June 14, 2014 at 5:37 am
    The economy now versus when he took office. The real estate market now. The stock market now. The manufacturing index. Unemployment The wars. OBL. Equal rights for *all* citizens. Yeah, he`s doing a terrible job.

    I know, I now, conservatives, those numbers shouldn`t be figured like they used to be and are all skewed now that Obama is in office. Whatever.
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    BuckeyeJoe Male 40-49
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    June 14, 2014 at 6:33 am
    LOL @5Cats, anyone who writes Bush>Obama is just a troll. No rational person defends Bush anymore, the whole world agrees he was a giant idiot -- move on! The only folks still waving his banner are probably the same ones who cannot identify the US on a world map, or spell "disaster."
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    June 14, 2014 at 2:08 pm
    @SmagBoy1: Hey, how`s that DEBT going? That deficit under control yet? No?
    How`s that USA credit rating these days?
    How`s the % of adults employed? Lowest in 30 years you say? Gee, that`s bad!

    And 100 other things. Obama has ONE thing he claims as his own: killing OBL. Everything else he`s touched has turned to poo.

    If Bush was so bad, WHY did Obama re-sign so many laws and expand so many of his policies? All Obama needed to do was NOT sign and say "no more" and presto! But he did not.

    Yet you (IAB Liberals I mean, not @SB specifically) defend him. And castigate Bush. They`re doing the exact same things, but you have TWO rules for them to be judged by.
    Not nice!

    Bush wasn`t "good" but he was better than Gore and Kerry! That`s 100% sure!
    And Obama is worse than Bush by ANY measure.
    Period!
    That`s in spite of being given a "free ride" by the MSM BTW...
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    BuckeyeJoe Male 40-49
    123 posts
    June 14, 2014 at 2:22 pm
    @5Cats: Bush re-signed WAY more of Clinton`s policies than Obama resigned from Bush (see, I can make up poo too). And psst, you want to look at the rate of change with respect to the deficit and debt...any economics student will tell you that.

    One of the greatest tricks that conservatives have ever done is convincing poor fools that they are supporting their interests (and let the banjos duel away -- most are easy to fool). What? Did you learn politics from your cats? A little tip: cats are super cool, but are terrrrrible at this stuff! Choose a different source, cause cat-onomics....embarrassing to read, man!
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    whodat6484 Male 30-39
    3907 posts
    June 14, 2014 at 4:42 pm
    @5Cats - So, I guess you`re not going to reply to my comment and links proving that your boy Dubya is to blame for the clusterf*ck in Iraq, eh? You specifically asked why I`m not personally blaming Obama and I was kind enough to answer and supply links but you`re ignoring it now, eh? I`m not surprised, I`ve noticed you always ignore people that prove you wrong.

    Keep up the good work. You`re the poster boy partisan hack for conservatives.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    31759 posts
    June 14, 2014 at 5:19 pm
    @BuckEyeJoe: So 1.2 Trillion (under Obama) is LESS than 450 Billion (Under Bush) ? Rate of change means NOTHING AT ALL. ffs...

    @WhoDat: It`s a "long answer:
    Saddam was violating the Ceasefire ALL the time under Clinton. It was obvious that he wasn`t going to go away due to "sanctions", ever.
    So the USA thought up ways to get him out. Ever heard of Plan Crimson? it`s the ARMY`S JOB to think of ways to invade or defend!

    So what? If the US Gov`t DIDN`T plan these things, they wouldn`t be doing their jobs!!

    And don`t confuse propaganda (WMDs) with real reasons (cease-fire violations). The USA and EVERY nation involved in Gulf-I had EVERY RIGHT to remove Saddam for his violations. The UN said so!

    So WHAT if the WMDs weren`t 100% "accurate" after all: it`s just frosting on the CAK
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    31759 posts
    June 14, 2014 at 5:22 pm
    Cake.

    It was one battle in the War On Terror: Bush played it brilliantly!

    And by "Bush" I mean the US Army under his command. It`s right out of Sun Tsu: Meet the enemy on ground of YOUR OWN CHOOSING: Iraq!

    Obama has frittered it all away with his spineless "foreign policy" of shaking hands with America`s enemies and insulting America`s friends and allies. It`s a FACT! Period!

    Told you it was a long answer. I`ll check back to see what you think of it :-)
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    BuckeyeJoe Male 40-49
    123 posts
    June 14, 2014 at 6:00 pm
    @5Cats

    Give a link for your figures...`cause you`re still just making poo up. Rate of change is exactly what matters, how can you not know this? Seriously, you must work very hard to keep reality away! You must be exhausted!
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    normalfreak2 Male 18-29
    3362 posts
    June 14, 2014 at 6:46 pm
    Where does 5Cats get his history, is that a video game? What the hell are you talking about?
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    31759 posts
    June 14, 2014 at 8:09 pm
    @BuckEyeJoe:
    Lesson #1: What I spend on beer each month:
    January: 250
    Feb: 275
    Mar: 350
    April: 1,300
    May: 1,100
    June: 1,000

    See? The RATE OF CHANGE DROPS from April to June! I`m SAVING money and spending LESS each month!
    Meanwhile, I was INCREASING spending in the first 3 months, the RoC was INCREASING! Ooo! That`s bad, right?
    That`s exactly what Bush V Obama looks like, FYI.
    Source: Debt To The Penny
    "Rate of Change" = meaningless. Obama is on course to increase the DEBT more than ALL Presidents before him.

    @normalfreak2: Are you suggesting Saddam NEVER violated cease-fire while Clinton was in office? What about ALL those bomb strikes Clinton ordered? Hummm?
    Pull your head out of the MSM`s arse for a moment and think.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    31759 posts
    June 14, 2014 at 8:16 pm
    Bush added about 5 trillion in 8 years, which includes the Democrats adding to the Bailout Bill.
    Obama has added about 7 trillion so far, and there`s lots more spending left to account for!

    Bush: Signed a proper Budget Bill every year, as required by the US Constitution.
    Obama: Signed ONE Budget in 2009. NONE since then.

    Yes, Bush spent a LOT of money! Far too much in fact.
    But Obama`s promise of not raising the deficit went out the window the minute the election polls closed. He`s spent more than any PotUS ever, by any measure, inflation adjusted or not.

    "Rate of Change" my arse!
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    BuckeyeJoe Male 40-49
    123 posts
    June 15, 2014 at 8:22 am
    @5Cats

    Lesson #2: You should probably go sit down and think things through a bit more. Your analysis is pretty good for a high school book report, but not much else.

    Maybe less beer, more thinkie?
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    BuckeyeJoe Male 40-49
    123 posts
    June 15, 2014 at 9:14 am
    @5Cats: here are some things to get you started:

    Bush created the two unsuccessful wars. Obama found Osama bin Laden, and ended both. Bush did not regulate banks` use of derivatives, thus creating the 2008 financial crisis. Obama pushed through the Dodd-Frank Wall Street Reform Act, which does regulate banks (which also regulates credit, debit and prepaid cards and ended payday loans with the Consumer Financial Protection Agency).
    Obama cut taxes by $654 billion in 2011 and 2012 (H.R. 4853, Tax Relief, Unemployment Insurance Reauthorization, and Job Creation Act of 2010). In other words, with this bill President Obama cut taxes by more, in raw dollar amounts, in just half of his term than Bush did over his full first term.
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    BuckeyeJoe Male 40-49
    123 posts
    June 15, 2014 at 9:15 am
    @5Cats: here are a few more:

    Since 2008, the American economy has grown at the inflation-adjusted rate of 1.6% per year. From the beginning of 2001 until the close of 2008 economic growth averaged 1.7% per year.

    So does Bush win? (Put down your beer, 5Cats, and read on…)

    Bush came into office in the midst (as it turns out, at the peak) of one of the great historic booms in modern American economic history. From 1982 to 2000, the American economy expanded at a 3.7% rate (Thanks, Clinton!!!). The base (denominator) was notably high. Hence, when saying that the Bush record of economic growth of 1.7% was greater than Obama’s current 1.6%, we should also account for the fact that the predicate of the comparison is highly differential. Bush started from a high base and came in low. Obama started from a low base and came in worse.

    The rate matters.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    31759 posts
    June 15, 2014 at 1:36 pm
    @BuckEyeJoe: Not ONE thing in your 3 posts addresses the topic! Tax cuts? I thought Bush was BAD for his tax cuts? Which Obama re-signed, btw.
    Can`t even get your "good vs evil" straight?

    What does "rate of GDP growth" have to do with the DEFICIT? Not one little thing!

    Welcome to IAB anyhow :-)
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    piratefish Male 40-49
    675 posts
    June 15, 2014 at 2:57 pm
    @BuckeyeJoe:

    That`s pretty cute.

    Lesson #1) A 1.7% increase of a larger number is much better than a 1.6% increase of a smaller number.

    Lesson #2) While you sing the praises of the Dodd-Frank act, there are two things you should know: first, Obama didn`t have a f*cking thing to do with the Dodd-Frank Act, and second, he did have something to do with repealing the part that prevented derivatives trading by banks.

    Talk about high school book reports.

    And I noticed you conveniently left out the fact that unemployment continues to soar during the past 5 years, as well as the fact that the income gap is still growing exponentially. You also forgot to mention the unmitigated disaster that is the PPACA, along with the numerous scandals and fiascoes of the Obama administration that Barrack always seems to be the last to know about.

    Bottom line: Obama and his policies suck.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    31759 posts
    June 15, 2014 at 7:23 pm
    Thx @piratefish!

    It`s AMAZING that as the Liberals flail desperately, the only thing they can put their finger on (without getting burned!) is "Obama Killed Osama"
    That`s it!
    Even "Bush Did It" no longer applies, after all Obama has copied his policies so often, it`s unfair to even call them "Bush`s" anymore.

    Not ONE thing worthwhile has this SCFOAMF done in 5+ years. Except fundraise.

    Just how long can the MSM continue to cover for him? Why are they even trying to anymore?

    It`s a mystery.
    Just like people who continue to support Obama. WTH? You think he`s suddenly going to KEEP his 2008 campaign promises? NOW? LMFAO!
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    BuckeyeJoe Male 40-49
    123 posts
    June 16, 2014 at 2:50 pm
    @Piratefish

    LOL, I didn`t "conveniently" leave out anything, read the previous messages. And in response to your lessons:

    1) Thank you Captain Obvious, that was the point...

    2) I don`t think you understand what is being said. In any event, you are dead wrong on the first point, and correct (again, thank you Captain) on the second.

    And it is the Right that continues to flail uselessly at the Left`s inability to clean up their damage, which is absurd, as almost every attempt to do so has been summarily opposed.

    Let me sum it up for you: The Right ruins the economy, and ruins any attempt to rectify it. Then you know what they do? They blame Liberals for failing.

    Sorry fish, it ain`t cute any more, it`s sad, and you are part of the problem. Thank god your way of life is phasing out, along with the rest of the conservative movement. It will soon be history.
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    piratefish Male 40-49
    675 posts
    June 16, 2014 at 7:10 pm
    @BuckeyeJoe:

    You realize you just admitted that your original points were inaccurate by agreeing with me on point #1 and point #2?

    Also, please show me where Obama had a goddamn thing to do with Dodd-Frank? I`ll be waiting.

    Also, you may want to talk to some executives, business owners, CPAs, etc. about whose policies are better for the economy. Most of us will tell you that Obama`s certainly aren`t helping; in fact, he`s making things much, much worse. So as we continue to slide into higher unemployment and inflation, you can thank the idiots who are currently in power.

    And for the record, I am NOT a conservative, nor am I a liberal. Go use your labels elsewhere.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    31759 posts
    June 16, 2014 at 11:50 pm
    The Right ruins the economy,
    Which grows BETTER under Bush I than Clinton, and under Bush II than Obama...

    ...ruins any attempt to rectify it.
    You have a SINGLE example of that?

    Funny how the House and Senate being Republican or Democrat have MORE to do with the economy than the PotUS...
    Almost like the Founding Fathers intended it that way!!
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    Grendel Male 40-49
    5863 posts
    June 17, 2014 at 9:17 pm
    HolyGod-The worst natural disaster and response in American history.
    Worst natural disaster? Debatable, but right up there.
    Worst Response? Yes, but not by the feds. The feds are NEVER the first responders.

    The worst preperation and response, in order of responsibility, go as follows:
    The individuals, who were too dumb to leave an area that is BELOW sea level when there`s a very good chance of the sea coming in.
    The City, "Chocolate City" Nagin failed to follow his very own Emergency Response & Preparedness plan, waited until too late to order an evacuation, and let city resources flood rather than utilize them to evacuate people in need.
    The State, where the governor waited too late to declare an emergency, without which the feds can do nothing.

    I`ve lived through Camille, Frederick, Ivan and Katrina (plus many minor). The Feds NEVER show up for at least 4 days.
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    Neoptolemos Male 30-39
    625 posts
    June 14, 2015 at 2:21 pm
    5Cats grasping for straws again... nothing to see here

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