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  1. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
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    June 12, 2014 at 5:46 am
    Link: New York City Shootings Up 43% - Democrat Mayor de Blasio ended ``Stop and Frisk`` this is the result. It will only get worse.
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    drawman61 Male 50-59
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    June 12, 2014 at 7:42 am
    Yee-harrr the old wild west is makin` a comeback!
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    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
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    June 12, 2014 at 8:15 am
    You`d think people on the political right would think stop and frisk is a violation of a person`s rights.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    32743 posts
    June 12, 2014 at 8:17 am
    @drawman61: Check the map, New York City isn`t anywhere near Tombstone...

    "We see an increase in shootings at the moment," he said. "But I`m comfortable that we`re aware of where they are happening, why they`re happening, who is doing it."
    - Police Commissioner Bill Bratton

    I`m glad he`s comfortable! How about those folks getting shot? How "comfortable" are they?

    Meanwhile they STILL want to limit the size of your soda in NYC...
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    Andrew155 Male 18-29
    2579 posts
    June 12, 2014 at 8:24 am
    FP - Are people on the right Anarchists or Fascists? You guys can never get that straight.

    NYC has a murder rate about the same as Amsterdam for a reason. Pretty much no other American cities can say this.
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    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
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    June 12, 2014 at 8:38 am
    "Are people on the right Anarchists or Fascists? You guys can never get that straight."

    That`s kind of hyperbolic. I`m not asserting either of those.

    It`s just strange to me that the right is supposed to stand for constitutional rights, yet they`re okay with stopping people on the street without having any actual evidence.

    Don`t you align more with libertarian ideals, personally? I can`t imagine any libertarian being in support of stop and frisk.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    June 12, 2014 at 8:54 am
    FoolsPrussia

    "You`d think people on the political right would think stop and frisk is a violation of a person`s rights."

    No. Because they are white and they know they won`t be stopped and frisked. The right is only interested in rights that apply to them.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    June 12, 2014 at 8:55 am
    5Cats

    Wait. Are you telling me you SUPPORT stop and frisk laws?

    That seems counter to everything you have ever posted about personal rights, the 2nd amendment, etc.
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    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
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    June 12, 2014 at 8:57 am
    How would all these open carry patriots feel if the police treated them this way?
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    June 12, 2014 at 8:57 am
    Andrew155

    "Are people on the right Anarchists or Fascists? You guys can never get that straight."

    Libertarians are anarchists.

    Neo-conservatives are fascists.

    They just happen to join sides because the most important thing to both of them is that rich people don`t pay high taxes.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    June 12, 2014 at 9:49 am
    @Andrew155: HAD a low murder rate, it will go "back to normal" soon enough!

    @FollsPrussia: If there`s a severe problem? FIX IT. That may include some "tough measures" but it`s better than letting crime run rampant.

    As long as it`s not used for selective enforcement, and it`s effective, it`s the price free people pay.
    >>Y`ALL are big on passing "new laws" but never enforcing them! WE`VE been saying all along: enforce existing laws!

    "Open Carry" people are REGULARLY stopped and searched, why even bring that up? It`s entirely different from criminals with illegal guns.

    @hg:
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    Torq Male 40-49
    358 posts
    June 12, 2014 at 10:21 am
    Good thing they have those tight gun laws in NYC.
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    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
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    June 12, 2014 at 10:30 am
    "If there`s a severe problem? FIX IT. That may include some "tough measures" but it`s better than letting crime run rampant."

    See, I don`t get this. Isn`t this the same argument used for gun control?

    "As long as it`s not used for selective enforcement"

    But it is.
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    whodat6484 Male 30-39
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    June 12, 2014 at 10:39 am
    The stop & frisk policy was pretty much a failure.

    Here are some numbers for you courtesy of the NY Attorney General:

    - Less than 1.5% of all stops resulted in jail time.

    - 0.1% led to a violent crime conviction

    - 0.1% led to a possession of illegal weapons conviction

    How can you support limited/small gov`t and at the same time support a policy that gives police almost unlimited power?
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    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
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    June 12, 2014 at 10:40 am
    Here`s the problem I`m having:

    Gun control is unfairly restrictive and unconstitutional.
    Stop and frisk to find weapons is necessary and not an overreach.

    Do you not see this as contradictory logic?
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    normalfreak2 Male 18-29
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    June 12, 2014 at 10:47 am
    FP you`ve summed up right wing logic pretty well. It isn`t logical.
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    June 12, 2014 at 11:48 am
    I can no longer feel sorry for people who vote for these left-wing f***tards, nor do I give a loose dry f*** for people who continue to live in these socialist $#!+holes.
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    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
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    June 12, 2014 at 12:53 pm
    Nice to see you too, Ollie.
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    CaptKangaroo Male 50-59
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    June 12, 2014 at 1:01 pm
    whodat6484- with facts and commonsense... Again.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    June 12, 2014 at 1:38 pm
    OldOllie

    GET OFF MY LAWN!!!!!!
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    turdburglar Male 30-39
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    June 12, 2014 at 2:19 pm

    5cats -
    I don`t get it. Stop and frisk sounds like (and is) a stupid, over reaching, rights infringing, unconstitutional, left wing, feel good law that doesn`t work. It treats everyone like a criminal.

    Everything you are against (me too).

    Why are you supporting it?
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    June 12, 2014 at 4:46 pm
    Libertarians are anarchists.

    Neo-conservatives are fascists.

    Conservatives are just progressives with a love-hate relationship with the concept of federalism.

    If there`s a severe problem? FIX IT. That may include some "tough measures" but it`s better than letting crime run rampant.

    As long as it`s not used for selective enforcement, and it`s effective, it`s the price free people pay.

    Look dude, now you`re starting to chant the liberal mantra. This is a situation the NY State CANNOT do a reasonable or even constitutional thing to fix. If they try, they are simply to create BIGGER PROBLEMS!

    Kudos to whodat for those stats.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    June 12, 2014 at 4:47 pm
    "simply to create BIGGER PROBLEMS!"

    simply *going to create
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    skypirate Male 18-29
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    June 12, 2014 at 5:36 pm
    How would all these open carry patriots feel if the police treated them this way?

    i dont know, but i dont think you`d get to the frisk part.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    32743 posts
    June 12, 2014 at 9:01 pm
    If ONE city with a HUGE crime problem trys various laws to reduce the problem? And it works? That`s a good idea!
    If (like Chicago) it fails miserably, or makes things WORSE? Then do something else.

    Meanwhile? Across America there is NO EPIDEMIC of "gun violence" to speak of. WHY infringe the rights of 300+ Million LAW ABIDING citizens to "solve" the problems of a few cities with FAILED (Chicago) solutions?

    I`d never suggest "stop and frisk" across the USA! That would be crazy! Almost as crazy as confiscation of legal guns, leaving the criminals armed to the teeth... almost.

    @whodat: 1.5%? Sounds pretty good to me!
    And the POINT was to stop the "gang bangers" from running free with illegal guns. THAT WORKED. It`s hard to argue with success.

    Now? Very shortly after the policy changes? SHOOTINGS UP 43%. How is that good for anyone?
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    June 12, 2014 at 9:07 pm
    @cajun247: I have NO idea if it was "fairly" implemented or what. All I`ve read about it is that it lowered crime, and now that it`s gone crime has rocketed back up.

    The REAL problem is race-based gangs. Since Liberals refuse to admit that "coloured people" MIGHT be disproportionately involved in these gangs? They seek to tar ALL citizens with the "gun violence" brush.

    Really? Blame white farmers for Chicago`s drive-by shootings? And apply the same confiscation laws to them?
    The difference is: the white farmer will obey the law, the Chicago Gang-banger (regardless of colour) will NOT.

    "Stop and Frisk" is not nice, but really? Cops can stop ANYONE they choose, make up excuses later. It`s that way all over the world.
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    whodat6484 Male 30-39
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    June 12, 2014 at 9:50 pm
    @5Cats - Hahaha, 1.5% is f*cking horrible!

    Read the Attorney General`s report, 40% of the convictions they got from those arrests were for "quality of life offenses" which are things like vandalism, prostitution, drinking in public, disorderly conduct, etc. After that the majority were for things like drugs, trespassing and petty theft.

    "And the POINT was to stop the "gang bangers" from running free with illegal guns."

    Like I said, read the f*cking report. Only 0.1% of all stops resulted in a conviction on illegal weapons charges. That`s ALL WEAPONS, not just guns. That doesn`t sound like a successful policy to me.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
    10731 posts
    June 12, 2014 at 10:15 pm
    @5Cats

    That may be true, but there are plenty of minority citizens who aren`t and don`t want to be involved with the gangs and thus DON`T deserved to harassed by police, being stopped and frisked IS harassment. It allows cops to force their own bigotry on to them, of course it isn`t apparent but it`s there. Now if *I* were to believe this program were effective this reduction in murders should be placed in the broader context of the overall mortality rate. That is both should decrease and the trends should be sustained. But that alone wouldn`t justify it, priorities and such.
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    jay Male 30-39
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    June 12, 2014 at 11:02 pm
    I`m all for tighter gun control, but I have to question the merits of a policy such as this.

    Wiki says, "Based on a standard which holds less than probable cause, this power is granted on the standard of reasonable suspicion"

    First off, an officer shouldn`t need another policy to tell them to investigate anything reasonably suspicious...it`s supposed to be their job. Should it not only be when suspicion then becomes probable cause, that a person is truly detained, subject to search or seizure?
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    LuckyDave Male 18-29
    675 posts
    June 13, 2014 at 3:02 am
    This is why we can`t have nice things...
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    normalfreak2 Male 18-29
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    June 13, 2014 at 8:13 am
    FFS who is this 5Cats what have you done with the real one?

    This is another example of where I differ with Liberals. I believe laws like this are invasive, unconstitutional. HOw does any right leaning person think laws like this are ok?
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    normalfreak2 Male 18-29
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    June 13, 2014 at 12:21 pm
    5Cats are you a racists? Just wondering.
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    JoexBro Male 18-29
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    June 13, 2014 at 4:30 pm
    I`m almost positive liberals would not like a stop and frisk law. Also this article coming from the nyp, quite conservative leaning
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    Neoptolemos Male 30-39
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    June 14, 2015 at 2:28 pm
    Aha haha! Another 5Cats post... nothing to see here

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