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Even NBC Admitting Obama`s Presidentcy Over

About that Wall Street Journal poll: Is the public saying Obama”s presidency is over?

President Obama“s approval rating has dropped to 41 percent, a majority of Americans disapprove of his handling of foreign policyissues, he has lost support from the Hispanic community and Americans actually think his administration is less competent than the Bush White Housepost-Hurricane Katrina, according to a new survey from the Wall Street Journal and NBC News.

In short, the poll is nothing but bad news for the president.

The survey would appear to be so bad, in fact, that NBC News” Chuck Todd saidTuesday that the poll basically means the public has declared the Obama presidency to be over.

“This poll is a disaster for the president,” Todd said. “You look at the presidency here: Lowest job rating, tied for the lowest; lowest on foreign policy. His administration is seen as less competent than the Bush administration, post-Katrina.”

“On the issue of do you believe he can still lead? A majority believe no. Essentially the public is saying your presidency is over,” Todd added.

You can read more about the WSJ/NBC News poll here.

His administration is seen as less competent than the Bush administration, post-Katrina.

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  1. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    June 20, 2014 at 5:25 am
    Link: Even NBC Admitting Obama`s Presidentcy Over - His administration is seen as less competent than the Bush administration, post-Katrina.
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    Zeegrr60 Male 40-49
    2106 posts
    June 20, 2014 at 6:20 am
    the wall street journal is owend by a man who hacks dead soldiers phones. Nothing he or his other fine papers says is true.
    MSNBC, well, they just suck.
    Nothing is/was as bad as W.`s time screwing America out of 13 trillion dollars for 2 wars he lied to start. Period.
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    FredSpudman Male 18-29
    653 posts
    June 20, 2014 at 6:35 am
    *presidency. And as far as I`m aware, barring some political cataclysm, his presidency finishes in 2016.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
    6912 posts
    June 20, 2014 at 6:46 am
    Crakr

    "On the issue of do you believe he can still lead? A majority believe no."

    No. He can`t lead. Absolutely not.

    If he tries to do things through congress they block anything. If he tries to do things without congress you guys call him out for it. Not really sure what you expect.

    "lost support from the Hispanic community"

    Do you truly believe he wouldn`t have passed immigration reform by now if republicans in the house wouldn`t have blocked it? I mean what SHOULD he do? Just curious.

    "I know the president has said, well, gee, now this is the time to talk about immigration reform," Rep. Aaron Schock (R-IL) told TPM. "He ain`t gonna get a willing partner in the House until he actually gets serious about ... his plan to deal with the debt."

    "I think it`d be crazy for the House Republican leadership to enter into negotiations with him on immigration," Rep. Raul Labrador (R-ID
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    normalfreak2 Male 18-29
    4084 posts
    June 20, 2014 at 6:47 am
    Whatever. Things I like about President Obama. Good for the Pro Science crowd, good for equal rights, good for not getting entangled in more wars. Health Care for everyone ( don`t agree with how it`s been implemented but I like the premise), Immigration reform. VA reform. Got Osama bin Laden, got the Benghazi guy now.

    Things I don`t like. Didn`t executive order something about the Patriot Act to kill it, not really supporting net neutrality, Not doing anything with the NSA and the way it functions, at least not much has been released publicly. Hasn`t dealt with the Snowden revelations well at all. Hasn`t done something about crony capitalism.

    Things out of his control. The economy, Russia, Iraq,
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    papajon0s1 Male 40-49
    579 posts
    June 20, 2014 at 7:13 am
    I`d take W`s worst days over BO`s best any time anywhere. I won`t even debate the comments here many of which I completely disagree with (like calling the Iraq war unjust and illegal), instead I`ll cite numbers off my dwindling paycheck since BO took the reins. I am out nearly $25,000 and counting as a direct result of Obamacare and lost hours due to the miserable economy. That ain`t Rush or Hannity or FoxNews, that was right off my paycheck numbers. And last year thanks to libs and BO letting the tax cuts expire, I was out nearly $14,000 there and ended up paying nearly $7,000 in taxes. That said, the GOP is far far from perfect, but why, oh why, oh God`s green earth would I ever ever ever vote for a lib? Why?
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
    6912 posts
    June 20, 2014 at 7:29 am
    papajohns01

    "I`d take W`s worst days over BO`s best any time anywhere."

    Yes. Because 100,000+ people dying in Iraq isn`t nearly as bad as your paycheck having more taxes on it. Very "Christian" of you. God you guys suck.
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    patchouly Male 40-49
    4746 posts
    June 20, 2014 at 7:31 am
    His only problem was that he wanted the changes that Democrats wanted and Republicans wanted no part of it. Had be been allowed to follow through with his plans, the entire left side of the country would have called him the best president of all time. It`s only the constant road blocks that kept him from achieving greatness. That said, he still achieved a lot of great things, despite the opposition.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
    6912 posts
    June 20, 2014 at 7:31 am
    papajons01

    "I am out nearly $25,000 and counting as a direct result of Obamacare"

    I call bulls.hit.

    How? Even remotely how?
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    patchouly Male 40-49
    4746 posts
    June 20, 2014 at 7:34 am
    @papajon0s1, if you had enough that you paid an additional $25,000, you have been getting off way to easy. Crap...Most people only make $25,000. I can`t imagine having so much money that you could pay an additional $25,000. It`s about time you guys started feeling the pinch that the rest of us having been living with for years now.
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    Mr_Pedo_Bear Male 70 & Over
    997 posts
    June 20, 2014 at 7:43 am
    His only problem was that he wanted the changes that Democrats wanted and Republicans wanted no part of it.

    Isn`t that how this how democracy thing works? I could have been best president of all time if people had to do what I wanted. It`s a cop out to say their has been opposition it`s part of the system you need to get public and political support, however difficult he has failed in a lot of respects. He wasted a ton of political capital on Affordable Care Act, didn`t even get a system he wanted, not leaving much else for other things. That is his F*ck up not someone elses.

    paid an additional $25,000, you have been getting off way to easy Politics of envy much? How does he having a well paid job affect the fact you`ve been made redundant and been unable to effectively retrain? It doesn`t. How does making him have less cash make you better off? It doesn`t.
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    Mr_Pedo_Bear Male 70 & Over
    997 posts
    June 20, 2014 at 7:46 am
    Crakrjak - It`s painful, he is president, he won he beat romney. He is in power until 2016, he is president and he will still have influence and can make decisions. Just because someone goes through phases of unpopularity means sweet f*ck all.

    Another reason why it`s sunk so low, he was heralded as the next coming of Jeebus. But being a mere mortal cannot live upto expectation so people resent it, even if he is doing an ok job. Polls are helpful but no way should they be trusted or used as conclusively as your making them out to be.

    Just grow up and get over it.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
    6912 posts
    June 20, 2014 at 7:49 am
    Mr Pedo Bear

    "Isn`t that how this how democracy thing works?"

    Usually. There is always going to be opposition. Usually the two sides work together to find compromise.

    If you are in the middle of two wars and the biggest recession in a century usually the opposition makes stuff like that their top priority instead of deliberately and blatantly just doing anything they can to make you ineffective for political gain.
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    Mr_Pedo_Bear Male 70 & Over
    997 posts
    June 20, 2014 at 8:27 am
    "The top priority is to deny president Obama a second term" from the video, well no poo sherlock.

    The American system has been designed to reach deadlock and not get stuff done. It is down to Obama to trade and get the public on side. I repeat you cannot expect your opponents to do what you want regardless. As they will have different opinions on how to solve it.

    Clinton had government shut down, but was able to do deals eventually. Bush was very conciliatory to begin with, then when he got a majority was less so.

    Coincidently Bush`s first 100 days should be seen as a the textbook example of an ingoing president. Very well done even if Clinton did remove every "w" from the white house keyboards.
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    patchouly Male 40-49
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    June 20, 2014 at 8:36 am
    By the way, I agree, the Health Care thing is a mess. You guys should have adopted the Universal Health Care the rest of the civilized World enjoys. Being healthy shouldn`t be a luxury only afforded to the rich.
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    CaptKangaroo Male 50-59
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    June 20, 2014 at 8:53 am
    Polls are highly manipulated constructs that say whatever poll-givers want.
    Even if the poll is accurate, so what? Will Congress demand Obama leave office because he`s unpopular?
    I weep for this Nation, I really do.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
    6912 posts
    June 20, 2014 at 9:00 am
    MrPedoBear

    "they will have different opinions on how to solve it"

    That is the rub though. Even when he proposes things that were THEIR ideas to begin with they still block it.
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    danagamer Male 30-39
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    June 20, 2014 at 9:22 am
    poor Republicans. They try so hard.
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    Grendel Male 40-49
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    June 20, 2014 at 9:41 am
    patchouly-You guys should have adopted the Universal Health Care the rest of the civilized World enjoys
    Well, I`d debate that everyone `enjoys` it.

    Waiting lists, rationing, restrictions on physician choice....nah, I`d rather have a social contract with the doctor I want to perform the care I need, when I need it and where I need it.
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    Denogginizer Male 30-39
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    June 20, 2014 at 10:05 am
    I`d debate the use of the word "civilized".
  21. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    June 20, 2014 at 10:37 am
    HG: For the record, Harry Reid, the leading democrat in the Senate has blocked EVERY budget bill from the House since 2010. Reid has been Obama`s de facto veto in congress. You call Republican`s obstructionist? HA!

    Why did the government shutdown? Reid and Obama
    Why have we only been able to offer piecemeal spending bills to avoid sequestration? Reid and Oabam.
    Why is Iraq falling apart? Reid and Obama.
    Why did the IRS/Lois Lerner target the Tea Party? Reid and Obama.

    I could go on and on... But you`re so indoctrinated into the mantra "It`s Bush`s fault" you`ll never see the truth.
  22. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    June 20, 2014 at 10:46 am
    Kangaroo: "Will Congress demand Obama leave office because he`s unpopular?"

    This latest trade of 5 known taliban terrorist leaders for a deserter, was certainly illegal and likely impeachable. They are clearly embarrassed about Bergdahl and have kept him away from the press and even his own family. And now we learn that Lois Lerner`s hard drives were intentionally destroyed.

    The offenses are piling up around Obama`s neck and he`s drowning.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    June 20, 2014 at 11:03 am
    Crakr

    "But you`re so indoctrinated into the mantra "It`s Bush`s fault" you`ll never see the truth."

    You do get why that is ironic right?

    You blame the other side for EVERYTHING, then tell me I am indoctrinated. No I`m not. My opinion changes based on the information provided. Know how I know that? I voted for bush. I considered myself a republican until 2004.

    My guess is you were raised by conservative parents and have been conservative your entire life. Have you ever voted for a democrat for president? No? Then maybe you need to consider perhaps YOU are the one indoctrinated, just as you were with religion.
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    jops360 Male 30-39
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    June 20, 2014 at 11:03 am
    "I`d rather have a social contract with the doctor I want to perform the care I need, when I need it and where I need it."
    you could still have that. instead you have a system with no real cost structure, pharasutical companies bribing doctors to use the newest medicine and a very poor insurance that does nothing for those that need it the most. how many families do you now that have went bankrupt due to medical bills? why does a 5 min. talk to a doctor and 3 tylonal cost over $600? we are supposed to be the richest most powerful country yet we cant even compete with some of the third world healthcare. we need real socialist healthcare not the republican`s regurgitated scheme to pad the pockets of the hospital/pill companies.
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    jops360 Male 30-39
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    June 20, 2014 at 11:37 am
    craker -
    "This latest trade of 5 known taliban terrorist leaders for a deserter, was certainly illegal and likely impeachable."
    really? bush did even worse. Between 2007 and 2009, Bush released 520 detainees from Guantanamo Bay, at least that’s how many are officially recorded. Also one of those detainees was Abu Sufian bin Qumu, who is a suspect in the Benghazi embassy attack.
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    patchouly Male 40-49
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    June 20, 2014 at 1:09 pm
    MeGrendel
    Waiting lists, rationing, restrictions on physician choice"
    ------

    Where do they do that stuff? They don`t do it here.

    **Edit**
    My mistake. We do have waiting lists for less important surgeries. But it`s not really a "waiting list"; it`s more of a booking issue. You book your surgery and you go and get your surgery. Sometimes, the doctor can be booked up for a little while because he/she is doing so many surgeries. But, if it`s important, they can jump the line for you.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    33134 posts
    June 20, 2014 at 1:26 pm
    @Patchouly: in Canada? We have LOOOONG waiting lists! It`s 4-8 WEEKS just to SEE a specialist, 2-4 weeks to get tests done, and 3 - 18 MONTHS for surgery.
    I know! I`ve been through the wringer several times.
    And it costs money, it`s not "free" in any way.

    Unless you... carry insurance! Or pay extra for faster service. Or go to the USA for tests & surgery...

    These are hard facts, Canada-wide, all across the board.

    Of course if you have serious illness and need emergency care? THAT is fast and very low cost! It`s true. I`ve had that experience as well.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    33134 posts
    June 20, 2014 at 1:33 pm
    If he tries to do things through congress they block anything.
    @hg: Perhaps he could NEGOTIATE? He could dust off that Nobel Peace Prize and actually TALK to Congress and the Senate?
    Just a crazy idea, it`s not like ANY PotUS ever had Congress or the Senate held by a different party, NOPE not in all history has a President had to deal with this issue!
    Also: racist!!

    @hg: And how many people have died in Syria? Because of NON-action by the PotUS? Humm? You blame Bush for acting, but his not acting would have killed just as many, a fact you "overlook" eh?

    @Patchouly: 2 years with control of both Houses, he could have passed anything he wanted, but he didn`t! Why? Even his own party didn`t like his plans, that`s why.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    33134 posts
    June 20, 2014 at 1:39 pm
    YES! Bush made mistakes, WE KNOW!
    But how does that "excuse" Obama from HIS mistakes?

    These scandals which endlessly shake the White House are ALL Obama`s doings: HE put those people in charge, HE told them to do illegal and amoral things. HE covered up for them even though they got caught red-handed.

    VA reform.
    @normalfreak2: Keeping "death lists" while paying huge bonuses to themselves = "reform"? I don`t hardly think so...
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    Open_Guard Male 18-29
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    June 20, 2014 at 1:44 pm
    It`s a whole different monster here. Bush did things on purpose to make the world a worse place. Obama`s been shackled by bipartisanship so fierce it might as well be the hatfields vs. the mccoys in washington. this entire blame obama thing is a sham. we are all to blame.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    June 20, 2014 at 1:55 pm
    5Cats

    "Just a crazy idea, it`s not like ANY PotUS ever had Congress or the Senate held by a different party, NOPE not in all history has a President had to deal with this issue!"

    As far as I know, no president has ever had to deal with an opposition who was forced away from the center by a party within the party.

    I think republicans WOULD work with Obama and compromise. However, thy are worried if they do they will get primaried by an extreme-right tea partier. That is kind of a new dynamic yes?

    If any republican works with Obama, compromises, or accepts ANYTHING the democrats want they get labeled a RINO and people call for their head.

    You even called Boehner a RINO I believe and he is right of Reagan by any estimation.

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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    June 20, 2014 at 2:17 pm
    HG: "You blame the other side for EVERYTHING.."

    Nope, GW made some mistakes, no one is perfect, but he didn`t commit criminal acts worthy of impeachment like Clinton and Obama have.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    June 20, 2014 at 2:20 pm
    "Bush released 520 detainees from Guantanamo Bay.."

    Who were determined to be non-combatants and he was pressured by the democrat led congress to do so.

    Obama didn`t inform congress at all, that`s his crime.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    June 20, 2014 at 2:24 pm
    @hg: Heaven Forbid that a political party should reflect the will of it`s members, the Voting Public!
    There needs to be LAWS against that! Right?

    There`s "radical elements" in EVERY political party on Earth! Don`t pretend there isn`t! The Dems have their fair share, Joe Lieberman? Remember him? He was "too conservative" so his OWN PARTY forced him out! Conveniently "forgot" that, eh?
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    June 20, 2014 at 2:37 pm
    Crakr

    "Nope, GW made some mistakes, no one is perfect, but he didn`t commit criminal acts worthy of impeachment like Clinton and Obama have. "

    Do you believe that the administration was looking for an excuse to go to war with Iraq (As has been proven)?

    Do you believe they knew that Iraq had no connection to Al Quaeda or part of 9/11?

    Do you believe they knew that Iraq posed no imminent threat to America?

    Do you believe that the war post war plan was horribly botched and ineffective?

    I believe all those things. So I believe that is a bigger crime, in terms of American and Iraqi lives, than everything Obama has done combined.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    June 20, 2014 at 2:42 pm
    5Cats

    "Heaven Forbid that a political party should reflect the will of it`s members, the Voting Public!
    There needs to be LAWS against that! Right?"

    See. We are having a perfectly reasonable, straightforward, respectful discussion and you have to respond like a sarcastic, childish, a.sshole. Do you not get why that is frustrating?

    The tea party is not the will of the people. It isn`t even the will of the republican party. It is a very small, extreme group. However, they are very vocal and very organized and very well funded by people like the Koch brothers. A tea party candidate wouldn`t have a shot in hell in a general election, but they can win a primary election as a republican because so few people vote in primaries.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    June 20, 2014 at 2:46 pm
    5Cats

    "There`s "radical elements" in EVERY political party on Earth! Don`t pretend there isn`t! The Dems have their fair share"

    Of course. Democrats have groups like the occupy movement. The difference being they have no power. Democratic presidential hopefuls aren`t flying across the country to meet with them. The liberal extremists are kids and hippies. The conservative extremists are billionaires. That is why this is so different. The extremists actually have power.
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    Mr_Pedo_Bear Male 70 & Over
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    June 20, 2014 at 3:25 pm
    Nope, GW made some mistakes, no one is perfect, but he didn`t commit criminal acts worthy of impeachment like Clinton and Obama have.

    ehhh no they didn`t. You know just as you accuse HG of being so partisan if it would have been Bush Regan Lincoln some republican who had done the things (or similiar as have been done) you`d have no issue whatsoever.
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    Mr_Pedo_Bear Male 70 & Over
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    June 20, 2014 at 3:27 pm
    @Patchouly: in Canada? We have LOOOONG waiting lists! It`s 4-8 WEEKS just to SEE a specialist, 2-4 weeks to get tests done, and 3 - 18 MONTHS for surgery.
    I know! I`ve been through the wringer several times.
    And it costs money, it`s not "free" in any way.

    Unless you... carry insurance! Or pay extra for faster service. Or go to the USA for tests & surgery...

    These are hard facts, Canada-wide, all across the board


    universalised healthcare system does not instantly equal that situation. Check the former post on comparing them, it depends on what you value in a system. But UK for example is not unacceptably long waits and you still have the private health insurance options people love in the US.
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    Mr_Pedo_Bear Male 70 & Over
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    June 20, 2014 at 3:32 pm
    As far as I know, no president has ever had to deal with an opposition who was forced away from the center by a party within the party.
    I`d disagree everything always seems worse at the time.

    I think republicans WOULD work with Obama and compromise. However, thy are worried if they do they will get primaried by an extreme-right tea partier. That is kind of a new dynamic yes?

    If any republican works with Obama, compromises, or accepts ANYTHING the democrats want they get labeled a RINO and people call for their head.

    And that is Obama`s fault, he has failed to convince the nation of his agenda. When he began with a fair amount of good stock and good will. Voter Apathy towards him and his party is down to him and his party.

    It`s insulting to people who vote to discredit them, they`re voting against Obama and Democrats because they dn`t like their plans, ergo politicians represent that. Convince the people that pr
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    747Pilot Male 18-29
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    June 20, 2014 at 3:38 pm

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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    June 20, 2014 at 3:44 pm
    @hg: You were bitterly complaining that a political party followed the will of the voters. Sarcasm is the only polite reply I could think of.

    Because NO BILLIONAIRES fund the Democrats, is that your claim?
    "Liberal extremists" RUN THE DEMOCRAT party! Like Dianne Feinstein! Jesse Jackson! A host of others.

    @Mr_Pedobear: Clinton went to war based on lies (Bosnia) bombed neutral countries, handed out no-bid contracts to Halliburton (which he owns stock of) & committed FELONY PERGURY! While in office.

    He should have been impeached for that crime, but he used the MSM to bail himself out of it. Attacking Ken Star 24/7? Nothing to do with the facts.

    Obama`s "actions" are still well hidden by his staff and the willing MSM, but in time they`ll come out.

    "What did the President know, and when did he know it?"
    - Hillary on Nixon
    "What difference does it make... now?"
    - Hillary on Benghazi
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    June 20, 2014 at 3:57 pm
    5Cats

    "He should have been impeached for that crime"

    He was impeached by the house. The congress had nothing better to do than go after the president for getting a blowjob.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    June 20, 2014 at 4:08 pm

    And as bad as he is you have to remember that Romney would have been worse.
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    Mr_Pedo_Bear Male 70 & Over
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    June 20, 2014 at 4:34 pm
    @Mr_Pedobear: Clinton went to war based on lies (Bosnia) bombed neutral countries, handed out no-bid contracts to Halliburton (which he owns stock of) & committed FELONY PERGURY! While in office.


    Oh Come on, I can point out equally spurious links with Bush and the dodgy dossier, and Cheny war profiteering. It`s disingenuous is matter when it`s one not the other.

    He`s been a bad President, he picked his battles terribly. But criticise him for what`s relevant and equal to all. Not some trumped up BS
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    Runemang Male 30-39
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    June 20, 2014 at 8:58 pm
    41%? Wasn`t Bush`s like in the 20`s? lol.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    June 20, 2014 at 9:17 pm
    HG: It doesn`t matter what I believe that they believed at the time. They weren`t looking for an excuse, Saddam gave them one by defying the UN orders, enough said right there.

    The post-war plan? Problem was, there was no good post-war plan. American soldiers are great at blowing things up, wrecking things and killing enemies, they are not great policemen.

    "YOU are the one indoctrinated, just as you were with religion."

    Really? I went to a public school with post-hippie teachers preaching the democrat/socialist party line to all of us. I didn`t go to church regularly, until age 15, at my request. If anything I rebelled against what was being spoon fed to me, by most of the adults I knew.

    Don`t propose to tell me about indoctrination, I saw through all the hippie bullsh|t and decided for myself that being a conservative was the best choice.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    June 20, 2014 at 9:21 pm
    Gerry: "Romney would have been worse."

    I highly doubt that. Even the Three Stooges would`ve been better than Obama.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    June 20, 2014 at 10:25 pm
    @holygod: It was NEVER about the "blowjob" ok? THAT is simply propaganda. It was ALWAYS about: Whitewater, Jennifer Flowers and FELONY PERJURY.

    If a person is guilty of a Federal Felony (like... perjury for example!!) he/she CANNOT be the President of the USA.

    Clinton WAS GUILTY! He admitted it! He should have successfully been impeached. You know what I mean.
    Nixon was probably guilty too. For the record.

    Remember: Hillary Clinton called the Jennifer Flowers Mistress Story, being spread by fellow Democrats, a "Vast Right Wing Conspiracy"... but it was TRUE! Billy said so under OATH!

    Wrap your mind around that...
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    June 20, 2014 at 10:43 pm

    @ Crakr - I agree Obama is a lousy leader. He just doesn`t have the chops. He can`t even lead his own party let alone bipartisan. But Romney would have raped this country even worse than Chaney did. {I say Chaney because we all know Bush was too stupid to really be running things}.

    So, given a choice of Incompetent {Obama} or Evil {Romney} I`ll take incompetent.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    June 21, 2014 at 12:34 am
    Gerry: Romney made the Salt Lake Olympics profitable and has done a great job as a public servant for a long time.

    Compared to our current neerdowell in chief, he`d have been spectacular.
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    trippyhippy9 Male 18-29
    559 posts
    June 21, 2014 at 6:50 am
    Bush was totally a worse president than Obama. By leaps and bounds. It isn`t even comparable.

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