Great Discussion Of `#Yes All Women` Hashtag[Pic+]

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...And why the discussion it"s encouraging is so important.
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Male 14,775
#YESALLWOMEN need a good #ing
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Male 676
The guy killed 2 women and FOUR MEN. Crap like this only makes the male victims seem less important. Where is their love? I bet their parent`s think they were EQUALLY important. You dumba$$ feminists are only screwing up the world by confusing younger males today about what their role in society is.
Look at most sitcoms today, the man of the house is bumbling idiot while everyone in the house is brilliant. Most of all, his outstanding, can`t-do- any-wrong wife.
While no one wants to say it, this is like the slavery issue. You have a bunch of people (that weren`t slaves) demanding something from a group that never owned slaves. As women are demanding equality from the way they were treated up until 30-40 years ago from today`s society that`s not responsible for that transgression.
So congratulations on further alienating men and making them feel more useless and unwelcome and possibly having the adverse effect of creating more rapists and killers.
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Male 7,363
Bravo DuckBoy87,Bravo,

The sad thing is, I was in the band, and I missed it.
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Male 4,431
5Cats, I`ve certainly not said men should shut the drat up. At all. In fact, I think this article espouses the opposite approach.

Too, just because the hashtag #YesAllWomen came after, and was perhaps even inspired by #NotAllMen, that doesn`t mean it was *about* or *responding* to #NotAllMen. #YesAllWomen doesn`t belittle all men. It doesn`t blame all men. It doesn`t speak down to all men. In fact, just the opposite. There`s nothing to be defensive about regarding #YesAllWomen. I see it simply as an opportunity to stand in solidarity.
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Male 15,832
F*** the families of the dead. This is all about ME ME ME!
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Male 3,430
MeGrendel: [quote]soundman655-That`s a friggen "number" sign not a friggen hashtag.

I`d even go with `Pound` sign.[/quote]


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Male 36,543
[quote]5cats- Yes, what you can`t do is try to tell us how we should feel, act or behave about situations and circumstances which occur purely because we are female.[/quote]
@madduck: But women CAN tell males how to feel, act AND behave, purely because WE are males?
How exactly is that "equality"?

Thanks @h2oxy! Your kind words are... kind! :-)

@SmagBoy1: 4 Men die and 2 women, so... it`s a WOMAN`s ISSUE and men should just SHUT DRATTING UP. Gotcha!
[quote]5Cats talked about being victimized by women a lot.[/quote]
I did WHAT! Say WHEN? I said males are 3:2 victims in ALL crimes, nothing to do with gender of attacker (it`s mostly men) eh?
Sorry it wasn`t too clear, the Char limit...
I looked this up on IAB ages ago: I thought it was 2:1 but it`s 3:2 and stable for decades in the USA.
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Male 36,543
[quote]Hashtag...obviously wasn`t about you.[/quote]

@SmagBoy1: Do you LIE or simply not read the article?

The REASON #YesAllWomen exists are a "response" to #NotAllMen.
Get it? The VERY EXISTANCE of it is based on that.
To DENY it`s NOT "all men" implies what...?
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Male 1,692
Raising awareness isnt hard. Opening your eyes to realizing that things arent as equal as momma said is much harder.
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Male 7,363
SmagBoy1-[quote]CJ, I don`t think anyone is saying that ....skewed toward women, etc.[/quote]
Take every gender term in that statement, and switch it to the other sex, and it would still be as true.

llaa-[quote]Girls don`t visit the misogynist hetero world, they live in it.[/quote]
Everyone lives in the same world. Everyone has to take crap from someone else.
Everyone is bullied.
Everyone is judged.
Everyone is lied to, cheated on, abused, checked out, made fun of, belittled, talked about, talked down to, etc, etc, etc.

Basically everyone`s life is .

And to top it off...SOME of us have the additional privilege of going bald.

Woman? You want to be equal? That means an equal amount of sucking it up.

Life is hard. Hashtags will not make it better.
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Male 12,365
[quote]Angilion, the hastag was #YesAllWomen, not, #YesAllMenAreDouches or #YesAllMenSuck.[/quote]

No, really? Oh wow, I hadn`t read what wasn`t there. Thank you for your wondrous enlightenment!

[quote]The #YesAllWomen hashtag obviously wasn`t about you.[/quote]

It obviously is about me. And you. And everyone else. It`s about men in a very different way to how it`s about women, but it`s obviously about everyone.

If someone started a #YesAllWhites thing about how "whites" are the victim class and "blacks" are the abuser class and it`s "blacks" fault if "whites" are uneasy near them regardless of how they behave and no "black" is allowed to make any objections because even just saying how the constant suspicion makes them feel is them oppressing "whites" by telling "whites" how to feel, etc, etc...would you say that had nothing to do with anyone who was "black"?
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Male 12,365
[quote]Okay- we now hear a load of privileged men tell women how we should worry about their bloody feelings. Do you lot realise how terrible you sound? Just stop it- please- just stop congratulating yourselves about how ace you all are, and about how the stupid dumb bitches should stop squawking because we are worrying about nothing- because is NOT ALL MEN. You all accept hate crimes against blacks, gays, whatever- but against women- nooo, no hate there, just stop telling women to shut up and start telling other men to stop treating women like second class morons who owe them a shag!![/quote]

You seem to be projecting, since what you have written is what you`re doing and not what the people you replied to had done.

The people you replied to were saying that slacktivism is pointless and that it`s wrong to judge a huge number of people solely on a biological characteristic. They hadn`t done what you accused them of doing. But you did.
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Male 4,431
Angilion, the hastag was #YesAllWomen, not, #YesAllMenAreDouches or #YesAllMenSuck. The #YesAllWomen hashtag obviously wasn`t about you.
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Male 12,365
[quote]I guess I would just like women to understand why we`re so defensive a lot of the time. The class has been punished for the sins of the few for so long, we overreact.[/quote]

It`s not an overreaction to be defensive when constantly attacked solely for being born into the "wrong" biological group.

I refuse to feel guilty for being male. The problem is the bigots who expect me to, not me.
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Male 12,365
[quote]Yes, what you can`t do is try to tell us how we should feel, act or behave about situations and circumstances which occur purely because we are female.[/quote]

So you`re opposed to this "all women" idea because it is very explicitly about exactly that?

So you`re opposed to feminism for the same reason, since feminism is predicated on the assumption that people are defined by their sex and also does a great deal to encourage women to be scared (fear of men promotes anger against men, which promotes feminism)?

You`re not consistent with your own statements.

The constant propaganda that men are the abuser/oppressor class and women are the victim class is not, in my opinion, a good thing. Am I allowed to have an opinion? After all, I`m part of the problem since I`m part of the oppressor class. So obviously my opinion must be wrong.
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Male 1,106
I accept the challenge. I will definitely talk to my wife and mom about this topic again. We have talked about it occasionally in the past which is why I`ve heard their stories of how they reacted. But I could be more direct, and try to just listen more. That`s always a good skill to hone.

I guess I would just like women to understand why we`re so defensive a lot of the time. The class has been punished for the sins of the few for so long, we overreact.
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Male 1,692
The Rodgers family`s biggest mistake was not buying their son a prostitute. Every drating retard I know from that part of Cali goes to the massage parlors. Yah, that fat rich dude that plays WOW all day isnt a virgin, he goes to the massage parlor. Maybe just maybe, legal controlled prostitution could of solved this problem...

TBH, women have it tough in the States. I kinda of understand, when I was younger I went to a gay bar with some girl I was seeing with her friends. It was weird to have random dudes checking me out and coming up to me, at first I felt uncomfortable being looked at like that but I got over it since I was only visiting.

Girls don`t visit the misogynist hetero world, they live in it.
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Male 4,431
DavidXJ, I challenge you (in a nice, non-mean way) to ask your wife and/or mom if they ever have. I know you think they`d call it out. And I`m sure from your description they do and have called it out. But I challenge you to ask them. I`m not saying you`re wrong. I hope you`re right! :-) But I have a feeling you`d be surprised if you can have an open conversation about it. And that doesn`t have to mean that YOU or even most men are bad, evil, misogynistic bastards. But it might be eye opening to see how it`s perceived when some are.

5Cats talked about being victimized by women a lot. And I get that. But the difference (on average) is that men are a far greater threat to women than women are to men. Institutionally, physically, and societally (at least historically). And recognizing that doesn`t preclude some/most men being decent fellows. It just acknowledges a problem. Which I think is worthwhile.
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Male 2,436
#YesIWantToBangAllThoseChicks!

#ExeptTheOneOnTheRight
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Male 1,106
I can say that my mom or my wife would never have put up with some of the suggestive stuff madduck described that women have to deal with. They`d call them on it, outloud, and tell them how uncomfortable it made them. They`d do it with confidence and that`s what I`m going to train my daughter to do, and what we should be training all of our daughters to do in the face of disgusting and disrespectful behavior. We should also be training our sons to recognize how what they say and do toward women can have profound negative affects and teach them to always treat women with respect.

That`s my problem with this article. At the very end he just starts to hint at part of a solution (teaching his sons), but then finishes by going back to how we men aren`t listening to the plight of women. Men not listening or understanding is not the problem. The root of this problem is that parents are not training girls how to stick up for themselves and they`re not training their sons to be re
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Male 1,106
I was going to respond to madduck again, because she is being very polite despite the hot topic and I was actually enjoying this heated discussion.

But then I read spanerbulb`s comment about posters being "mysoginistic." What a total load of frickin bullpoo. That insult is pretty disgusting really. I`ve read most of the replies to this thread, and not one of them comes across as hatred toward women. Are we being defensive? Sure, maybe (I already explained why). Do we disagree with the ideas put forth in this article? Yes. So call us argumentative, defensive, or that we`re missing the point... but to say "mysoginistic" is just plain wrong. It`s not an argument, it`s not based on a realistic analysis of the posts, and it tends to squash the real discussion at hand.
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Male 4,431
CJ, I don`t think anyone is saying that men aren`t sometimes treated poorly. At all. That`s part of what this article is highlighting. It`s not saying that all men or bad or that some women aren`t terrible to some men. It`s saying that there are a lot of common, endemic negative experiences for women that are so ubiquitous that they`ve pretty much just become accepted. And that`s worth discussion. No one is saying that, hey, a man can`t discuss in a separate conversation (ideally not defensively about *this* one) that, for example, they feel family law is sometimes skewed toward women, etc.
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Male 3,081
My girlfriend is a real leftie, and is certainly interested in a lot of feminist issues, but she thinks a lot of these kinds of issues are trivial and not on her agenda - to be honest I don`t know any females personally who this kind of feminism is high on the agenda (so i guess the hashtag allwomen is wrong because some are taking it upon themselves to speak for all) so whilst I`ve got a good idea it isn`t valid for the females I`m around in either family/socially there`s no way I could know how any of the females it does affect/motivate really feel.

As a bloke there`s a lot of pressure on us that no women could ever really experience or fully understand that is very much gender specific so it stands to reason there is just stuff that women experience that is the same the other way round. We can try to educate each other but there`s always going to be some ground covered on both sides that the person who can`t experience it in reality feels they can`t get their head round wh
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Male 17,512
And women don`t ever treat men poorly?

Give me a break. This #yesallwomen discussion just seems like a thread to complain about men. And it reinforces the stereotype that all women are helpless and weak.
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Male 4,431
Wow. I read that article--the WHOLE article--and it made me think. And it certainly would *never* cause me to say "well *I* don`t ever treat women poorly", being as, you know, that`s the whole point of the article. Oh well.
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Male 7,363
AvatarJohn-[quote]But rather than sit around talking about how women feel, how about actually solving the problem?[/quote]
Nah, it`s MUCH more effective to start a hashtag group about it. It`s actually MORE important to `start a dialogue` than it is to actually DO something.



It`s all about the `feels`. As long as you `feel` you did something, you get a participation trophie.
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Male 307
@5Cats Just ignore them, they don`t have anything important to say and don`t even bother trying to argue with them unless you enjoy the sound of whiny argumentums ad passiones ---> #YesAllWomen ;D
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Female 7,838
5cats- Yes, what you can`t do is try to tell us how we should feel, act or behave about situations and circumstances which occur purely because we are female.
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Male 36,543
@madduck: Males are MORE likely to be victims of crimes, WE are every bit as afraid as you females are. I know I am.

Talk about it (as females) all you like, but why "shout down" the males? Can`t WE talk too? What kind of conversation is that?

Are females really such delicate creatures that `trigger words` or `adverse opinions` utterly destroy them? They can only express themselves while cocooned in the safety of agreement (in advance)?
I think not!
I don`t think that`s a healthy way to promote equality or solve any problems either.
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Male 1,059
Sorry to be the typical male, but rather than sit around talking about how women feel, how about actually solving the problem? Seems like there`s a simple solution - arm up. If you`re always packing, you don`t have to be afraid any more. Just be sure and take lessons in firearm safety and practice at the shooting range as often as possible. Don`t sit around and be a victim - exercise your right to self defense and BE the solution.

Oh, wait, madduck, you`re in Europe. Never mind - you`ve got no hope. Enjoy the tyranny and victimhood you`ve undoubtedly voted for! :)
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Female 7,838
Cheers Duckie- you just proved my point in spades...
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Male 7,363
soundman655-[quote]That`s a friggen "number" sign not a friggen hashtag.[/quote]
I`d even go with `Pound` sign.

madduck-[quote]FFS- are you missing the point[/quote]
We are not missing the point. The point is crap.

madduck-[quote]You can`t unless it has happened to you[/quote]
Yes, because only women can be offended. Standard falback of a losing argument.

madduck-[quote]Which ones think I owe them a shag because they paid for a drink [/quote]
I think the issue is the type of guys you hang with.

madduck-[quote]can we please recognise that women are subjected to horrid things on a daily basis[/quote]
Sure, once you please recognise that MEN are subjected to horrid things on a daily

madduck-[quote] Do you honestly understand how the simple fact of being female can make you feel afraid?[/quote]
The point you`re missing is that this is not unique to being female. It`s unique to being HUMAN.
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Male 1,243
You can really get a strong indication of misogynistic feelings from some posters on here, pretty disgusting really.
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Female 7,838
Read the posts below- they are busy telling women how to feel. Do you honestly understand how the simple fact of being female can make you feel afraid? I agree- we have made strides- massive ones and they are brilliant. Most men are obviously perfectly fine- BUT until men (as a group) realise how terrifying being female can be they simply won`t understand how attitudes, common attitudes, feed into the problem. We have to talk about it- because if we just ignore it those attitudes will continue- go to any of hundreds of websites and see how crappy sad little men pretend to be slick babe magnets- and read the filth they think. Then realise that boys can and do read this stuff- and unless they are shown by example and directly that this is not normal- they will absorb it and regurgitate it.
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Male 579
Fine, if you want to do your hashtag feel-good-ness you go right ahead and have at it. Then, when you are done, how about you go do something actually useful to solve the problem?
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Male 36,543
@madduck: Reducing sexism in our society: Yes! Admirable goal! We`ve made great strides since the 50`s and should continue our efforts!

This #YAW? Not helping...

Disagreeing with something is NOT "telling others what to feel" unless the reverse is also true: correct? So are "women telling men how to feel" about everything? Is that "wrong" or right?

If we`ve come to a point where it`s:
- "correct" for women to express
- "wrong" for men to express

Then we`ve arrived at the wrong destination!

We don`t know "how it happens". Why DO "crazy people" kill others? How can we "predict it" and what can we do to "stop it"? We don`t know and likely will never find answers.
Shouting about it doesn`t help.

The other day, a woman (in Belguim? iirc) cut her 3 small children to death and stabbed her mother-in-law. Why? Crazy.
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Female 7,838
You see- it is obvious that this lad was nuts- people who do this ARE nuts, and they will find a focus for their insanity. But while we find a way to stop nutters killing people can we please recognise that women are subjected to horrid things on a daily basis by otherwise sane men, and stop doing it. Recognising it happens, how often it happens are the beginning- but if all of you simply refuse to see the problem then the problem will never go away...
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Female 7,838
FFS- are you missing the point. STOP. I will dutifully report the man this morning who whistled at me, the man who frightened me on the bus..etc and watch the police laugh. . I am not asking you all to feel guilty because of these men- I am asking you to KNOW HOW WE FEEL.. You can`t unless it has happened to you.. and when you ARE automatically nervous then report back to base. We know that SOME men are dangerous, but WHICH ones out of the many who daily accost women in small ways (Oooh pretty lady, come on darlin- smile, show us your tits luv,suck this bitch, here my dear- let me take your bag without asking and touch your back to herd you like an animal- without asking) are the dangerous ones? Which ones think I owe them a shag because they paid for a drink I did not ask for ...(miserable cow) or because they hooted at me (nice legs luv)....
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Male 36,543
[quote]Individually most MUSLIM MEN are safe- but systemically they are not, the system favours the rapist by blaming the victim.[/quote]

@madduck: fixed it for you! If you`re wondering if what you`re saying racist (or sexist, or both!) just replace the party involved: presto!

Since "Muslim Men" are -in fact- massively predisposed to raping women, it`s even MORE ridiculous to just single out another culture, where men are NOT, and throwing blame on them.

There`s tons of stats to back it up, what I`m saying is NOT MORE RACIST than what @madduck said, for the record. Less, in fact, since I can back it up.

In North America: Males are 3:2 more likely -victims- of crime (all types) than females. A `balance` that`s lasted for decades now...
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Male 36,543
Top 10 Most Asenine Things About #YesAllWomen

Look at the fallout from this "discussion", see what`s really being "discussed" and by whom.

But as I say: this is precisely what "liberals" DO in these cases. Race about in circles wringing their hands... only to be entirely distracted by the next "outrage" (real OR imagined).

Remember: this MURDER was CRAZY: he was bat-poo nutz. In NO way, shape or form does he represent ANYONE but himself.

Casting blame on ALL MEN is just as "liberal" as can be imagined...

And does more harm than good. Great, eh?
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Male 36,543
4 MEN and 2 WOMEN were killed (plus the shooter/slasher)

FOUR men killed, and people ONLY talk about the TWO women...

And that qualifies as "Liberal Greatness"??

This is typical leftist dawdle: full of sound and fury but ultimately both meaningless and counter-productive. :-(

Sorry SmagBoy1: I do not agree. These are my opinions.
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Male 1,106
... we understood his point perfectly well. I, personally, think his point is systematically flawed, and if continued will, like I said before, will train an entire generation of women to be helpless victims who aren`t taught to stick up for themselves, and will train an entire generation of boys that they are abusers. Social science has shown that people who think of themselves as an abuser tend to act upon that thought.

Patchouly put it very well: Holding up a sign won`t make them stop. Reporting them will.
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Male 1,558
That`s a friggen "number" sign not a friggen hashtag. What idiot decided to give a meaningless new name !!
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Male 1,106
And again I ask... how is this rally cry of "All women are victims of sexism!" going to help? Especially when you add the rally cry of "we don`t know which ones are the perps, so you should all apologize for them!" The hashtag should be #fightback or #standupforyourself or #don`tputupwithit.

This is the same as those poor teachers everyone has had that, because of their lack of classroom management skills, doesn`t identify and deal with the problem students individually, and instead punishes the whole class because of the sins of a few. Not only is this technique ineffective, but it tells all the children who were behaving that they are bad too, and after awhile they begin to believe it and sometimes even start to do the behavior they were unjustly accused of in the first place.

So, the problem here isn`t that those responding to this post with criticism are too stupid to understand the nuance of systematic problems vs. individual problems. (con
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Male 7,363
madduck-[quote]the system favours the rapist by blaming the victim[/quote]
Warning a girl that she needs to be carefull as some men do not respect women is not `blaming the victim`.

madduck-[quote]All of you men- when was the last time... [/quote]
1) There are women who are just as sexist as men, and who are grabby and insulting.
2) I have never done such to any woman, yet I`m supposed to feel guilty because some asswipes did? Not gonna happen.
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Female 7,838
how often do those advances get a little TOO grabby- and have you hope someone will hear of you yell as that woman has 50lbs on you. You ALL know that fear- the one that lets you know you and that rather large dirty woman are the only two on the top deck of the night bus- scary isn`t it?? When she gets up and sits looking at you- you have to get past her to get downstairs.. and she pats your arse... and if you DON`T know- stop telling half the population who DO know that we are wrong.
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Female 7,838
A lot of you have trouble separating systemic and individual. Individually most men are safe- but systemically they are not, the system favours the rapist by blaming the victim. The system favours the rich white guy by assuming the poor black guy is the guilty party. Up until VERY recently maruatl violence was ignored, women were either madonnas or whores- and the whores got a rough time. Those values are lingering on in enclaves of men who think women owe them sex, women owe it to them to show them their tits. All of you men- when was the last time you had your dick felt- the last time someone stroked a nipple in passing, asked you across a street to show them your balls darling. Grabbed their crotch and sugested you chewed on that. Now- ask the women you know- bet you it has happened to them daily/weekly/ to numerous to mention times. How often do women follow you to the pub bogs- ..continued
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Male 1,106
For me this raises a question: Does this type of thought process raise entire generations who will learn to be helpless victims? I think it will. It would be better to teach women "A small percentage of men are filth... don`t put up with that crap. Fight back, stand up for yourself, and don`t expect others to do it for you."

Also, men`s comments aren`t "knee jerk." Men have been having to listen to being told how "men are pigs, and sexism is still rampant, and it`s your fault" for their entire lives. So yes, after an entire childhood of being told how bad men are, I think men are getting a little defensive.
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Male 7,363
Yes, all women have had to put up with asswipe men. It`s a fact of life.

And all men have had to put up with cruel, abusive and leading women. We just don`t feel the need to take to a hashtag to play the part of a victim.

But, using the ramblings of a obviously mentally unstable individual to gripe about `all` men is pure bull.

If I ever belittle a woman, or threaten a woman, THEN they can complain about me. It`s not going to happen. (Hell, I`ve never even repeated the `go make me a sammich` joke as I think`s beyond stupid.)
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Male 4,431
Not sure anyone was advocating holding up signs, patchouly. Just having the discussion and listening without the oft-displayed knee jerk reaction oft deployed by so many of our gender.

I think this article is really well thought out and addresses almost every `objection` poted here. Oh well.
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Female 7,838
Okay- we now hear a load of privileged men tell women how we should worry about their bloody feelings. Do you lot realise how terrible you sound? Just stop it- please- just stop congratulating yourselves about how ace you all are, and about how the stupid dumb bitches should stop squawking because we are worrying about nothing- because is NOT ALL MEN. You all accept hate crimes against blacks, gays, whatever- but against women- nooo, no hate there, just stop telling women to shut up and start telling other men to stop treating women like second class morons who owe them a shag!!
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Male 1,399
I love it. Hashtag diplomacy and activism.

Here`s a hint: It doesn`t do anything.
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Male 7,775
@Agent00Smith, I concur.
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Male 2,390
couldn`t make it through the entire article... just sounded ....

"Fourth—and this is important, so listen carefully—when a woman is walking down the street, or on a blind date, or, yes, in an elevator alone, she doesn’t know which group you’re in. "

the same could be said about groups of women.

No one knows what `group` anyone is in at anytime. be it across race, religion, or sex.

The article read to me like an attack on all men.
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Male 2,579
What a load of tripe. Another white male middle class apologist trying to get a pat on the back for realizing what a privileged non-nice individual he and all men are.
The world has to stop because women have problems! I mean the article even says that because 10% of guys are jerks women can`t trust any men at all!
:( Boo hoo women have it so hard. Half the time they want independence, the other half of the time they want to blame their problems on men.
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Male 2,031
"When a woman is walking down the street, or on a blind date, or, yes, in an elevator alone, she doesn’t know which group you’re in. "

True, but the same could be said about Muslims or Blacks or Whites or....
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Male 4,746
Telling men to stop raping/abusing women by posting it online and holding signs is akin to asking murders to stop killing by doing the same thing.

Some men are violent. They will abuse, they will get charged and they will be punished. Holding up a sign won`t make them stop. Reporting them will.
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Male 4,431
Link: Great Discussion Of `#Yes All Women` Hashtag[Pic+] [Rate Link] - ...And why the discussion it`s encouraging is so important.
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