California Murderous Rampage - 6 Dead [Pic+]

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"Son of Hunger Games assistant director" Elliot Rodger is suspected of murdering 6 and wounding many more.
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Male 7,775
Dammit, I knew I shouldn`t not have posted that last remark.
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Male 1,243
Yes CJ that liberal statement was a bit out there. Got any evidence?
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Male 3,445
@CJ:

That article had absolutely nothing to do with what you claim. How many school shooters have been "cool kids"? They`re almost always outcasts. Also, this article has nothing to do with liberal vs. conservative households. You`re drawing a line that you want to see, rather than one that actually exists.

And you`re the guy who claims AGW theory is "junk science."
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Male 3,081
"Foolsprussia: "Deranged violent people come from both sides of the political spectrum."

Some do, the majority come from liberal households though. And the reasons why are clear, they are too permissive and lack good discipline and morality."


Deranged, violent people. Is that study about mentally ill violent people? No....so best just put it away and pretend you didn`t just look like a massive dickhead scrabbling round the bottom of a barrel to justify your argument.#

Jesus Christ, the gun argument is debated every single time on here after rampages, and there are clever, articulate people on both sides of the argument that have valid points and back them up with researched material. Then there are absolute drattards on each side that think shouting something out constantly like a form of dense tourettes makes it true and gets their point across.


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Male 17,512
Foolsprussia: How about an AP report on a UVA study from 2005?

Link

"Popular adolescents do have many advantages, but we find they are at greater risk for drug use and petty criminal behavior." - psychology professor Joseph Allen

He makes the distinction that popular kids who are "straight-laced", get into less trouble.
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Male 7,353
drawman61-[quote]Percentage of people not shot dead when neither jumped up cowboy has no gun [/quote]
I tried using a translation tool to translate that into English. It`s not a recognized language.

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Male 7,353
FoolsPrussia-[quote]That has nothing to do with politics.[/quote]
But the difference is: The MINUTE a shooting occurs, the media starts mentioning how it HAS to be a `right-wing` loon without any facts.
If it turns out that idiot even read a single conservative book at one time, they continue with that talking point.
If it turns out that they are a left-wing loon, they just drop the subject of political leanings (without ever recanting their earlier theories). They blamed Giffords shooting on Palin until it turned out he was a lefty-loon, then they dropped it. Before they were apprehended, the Beltway Snipers were profiled as `white gun owners`...guess what?....NOT.

The ONLY reason the didn`t blame right-wing in THIS case is the identity of a hollywood elite was made before the news reports were made.

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Male 7,353
Rodin-[quote] I guess I am to dense to realize how killing someone before they do anything to me is protecting myself[/quote]
Yes, you are, and if YOU prefer feel free to wait till someone kills you before you feel there is sufficient evidence to protect yourself. (Make sure to ask him if you offended him in any way before hand).

Rodin-[quote]Again how would it have helped these 6 people if they had guns? How would it protect them?[/quote]
Well, let`s see, had the second person had a gun, and had drawn it after the first one shot (properly determining that he was liable to get sho), and had killed this idiot...5 would have still been alive.

Is that guranteed? No. Is it better to have the option? Hell yes.
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Male 3,445
"Some do, the majority come from liberal households though. And the reasons why are clear, they are too permissive and lack good discipline and morality."

You have got to be kidding me. You need to provide some actual facts if you`re going to put that kind of statement out there; real, peer-reviewed evidence from credible institutions.

Good luck.
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Male 17,512
Foolsprussia: "Deranged violent people come from both sides of the political spectrum."

Some do, the majority come from liberal households though. And the reasons why are clear, they are too permissive and lack good discipline and morality.
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Male 2,436
[quote]...when neither jumped up cowboy has no gun[/quote]

*Double negative

The estimated total number of guns (both licit and illicit) held by civilians in the United States is 270,000,000 to 310,000,000. It would be impossible to eradicate them. If bad person want gun, bad person get gun.

Let`s not stop the good people from getting guns.
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Male 7,775
MeGrendel, here`s an even prettier picture. Percentage of people not shot dead when neither jumped up cowboy has no gun
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Male 7,775
Turdburglar - What you guys are saying doesn`t make sense. A guy goes on a killing spree, and your response is to say we should give up our only means of protection?

Well that worked out well for those six gunned down.
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Male 3,445
@CJ: Again, you keep trying to pin this kid as a liberal. His parents are clearly liberals, sure. They`re even anti-gun. So son clearly disagreed with them on at least one political issue.

Stop making this about his parents` politics. He was a deranged, mentally unstable kid who had access to a weapon. Deranged violent people come from both sides of the political spectrum.
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Male 17,512
LordJim: Peter Rodgers, the father of the killer, made that movie. Sorry I didn`t specify, thought the continuance of my previous statement made it clear whom I was taking about.
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Male 3,445
The kid (like a lot of these cases) clearly had emotional/mental problems. That has nothing to do with politics.
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Male 892
MeGrendal -- I guess I am to dense to realize how killing someone before they do anything to me is protecting myself. Again how would it have helped these 6 people if they had guns? How would it protect them?
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Male 7,123
CJ,

What are you talking about? The shooter made a movie?
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Male 7,123
CJ
`I seriously doubt a conservative would take such photos`

Can`t argue with that. You got me there.
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Male 2,160
Or you could all quit using a tragedy that would have remained one either way (due to the stabbing of his roommates) for pathetic personal political agendas.

If you do not like something, then do not involve yourself with it. Respect the rights of others, even if they have different preferences, choices, or activities to yourself if you expect any of that respect in turn.
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Male 3,445
"The evidence of his liberalism is in his movie "Oh my God", with how he frames the whole debate of religion. He speaks to many religious people, but then interviews several celebrities about it. He treats the celebrities as if they are theological scholars, which they are not."

By the way, you`re not answering the question. You`re talking about the father, not the son who actually committed the murders.

Anyway, I haven`t seen "Oh My God," but it doesn`t look like some atheist diatribe or anti-religion thing, more a philosophical take on what God is to different people.
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Male 7,353
Draculya-[quote]Disarmament works. [/quote]
Yeah, it worked so well for these people:

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Male 7,353
Rodin-[quote]How is that an explanation of how a gun is a means of protection?[/quote]
Well, it`s rather obvious, but then you seem to be too dense to get it.

You also ignored the part where I said:
1) I am one who has actually used a gun as a means of protection
2) defensive gun uses outnumber offensive uses by criminals each year.

Now, if you`re too damn stupid to realize the mechanics of it:
"Bad guy breaks into your house. You take a gun and point it at him and he realizes he`s done a dumb thing. THIS is a means of protection, and the gun was used for it.

Now, if you`d like, we can draw pretty pictures for you.

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Male 3,445
"Peter Rodgers is also a photographer, who apparently loves taking pictures of nude butts, many of which are of his wife.

I seriously doubt a conservative would take such photos and question God`s existence."

I feel sorry for you.
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Male 892
@ MeGrendal:

"Rodin-How is a gun a means of protection?

Are you really that stupid? (Oh yeah, forgot who was talking.) "

How is that an explanation of how a gun is a means of protection?
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Male 14,775
I can explain why conservatards think they need guns, whereas every citizen of every disarmed nation thinks it`s retarded to have guns.

Americans simply can`t be trusted with guns because they love to go on murderous rampages. Whole sections of society live and die by the gun, the police are crap and in that situation it seems like the only chance you have of fending off a gunman is to be a gunman.

Bollocks.

Disarmament works.

And it`s not just responsible, peace loving productive countries like Hong Kong. Brits are every bit as murderous by nature and culture as Americans and they(we) are still a lot better off without guns.

Guns are a cult. Anyone arguing pro-gun in a thread about a recent gun massacre proves it.
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Male 17,512
LordJim: "How the hell do you tag this kid as a liberal? Seriously?"

The evidence of his liberalism is in his movie "Oh my God", with how he frames the whole debate of religion. He speaks to many religious people, but then interviews several celebrities about it. He treats the celebrities as if they are theological scholars, which they are not.

Peter Rodgers is also a photographer, who apparently loves taking pictures of nude butts, many of which are of his wife.

I seriously doubt a conservative would take such photos and question God`s existence.
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Male 2,160
It`s pretty pathetic that we care more about the tool than the crime. Whether this guy used a gun or a stone he found on the street, 6 people are dead.

Asking why the police ignored these concerns and why someone with that history was allowed to purchase a firearm would be valid. Acting like everyone who owns a firearm has that history is paranoid to the point of unhealthy as well, not to mention wildly irresponsible.

A million other things are far more likely to kill you from the moment you step out of bed each morning and I fail to see you fearing those.

Anyways, the man was unwell and him not recieving proper help or attention is unfortunate, and it`s shameful that it ended with this.

As to Europe, I am an EU gun owner, there is literally millions of us here. We just don`t talk about it as much. Over here it`s like boasting about owning a hammer or a hockey stick. It`s just a tool for your hobby.
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Male 4,431
@LordJim, I agree that it was likely all sorts of stuff, but that "alpha male" moniker is all part of the pick-up culture lingo that objectifies women and views them as "owing" men sex. Women have no agency in that culture. They`re on earth to service men and if they aren`t willing (the women), then they`re "ungrateful whores". TO me, that`s all very scary.
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Male 7,123
SmagBoy1

You make a valid point, but AFIK the kid started by killing his room-mates and a lot of his rant was aimed at `popular` kids who wouldn`t let him into what he saw as a charmed circle.

He was young, rich, privileged and lacking any obvious disadvantages but the world wasn`t as accomodating as he thought it should be. I suspect that a lack of real life friends was as big a driver as a lack of sex.

For some reason he saw himself as an `alpha-male` and a god compared to mere mortals but the rest of the world didnt get it. The MRA/PUA sites he seems to have frequented probably didn`t help.
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Male 7,123
CJ,

How the hell do you tag this kid as a liberal? Seriously?

Does `liberal` have no meaning to you other than `Things I don`t like`?
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Female 846
Out of respect for the victims, I refuse to give mass murderers any more of my time. I will not show other mentally ill people that all they have to do is kill a bunch of people to be famous.
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Male 7,353
fuzzysheep-[quote]outright ban tomorrow would not solve that problem and innocent people would still be shot every day until the numbers of guns reduced (as they inevitably would[/quote]
Sorry, the number of guns being reduced is not inevitable if they were banned. Just number of LEGAL gun ownership. Illegal gun ownership would flourish, as there are other ways to obtain guns than just through a dealer).
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Male 7,353
carmium-[quote]If they ever do, then each time someone gets drunk and angry, ***usual bs*** there will be an excellent chance that somebody will be killed[/quote]
Only one problem with that scenario..A significant portion of the cars on the raod DO have guns in them...and yet we don`t have a epidemic of Road Rage deaths.

Rodin-[quote]How is a gun a means of protection?[/quote]
Are you really that stupid? (Oh yeah, forgot who was talking.)

Take it from someone who has actually used a gun as a means of protection: defensive gun uses outnumber offensive uses by criminals each year.
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Male 4,431
The whole side-plot of pick-up culture in this story just adds to the yuckiness and tragedy of the whole thing. This kid (yes, entitled, privileged, handed everything he could dream of) was obviously mentally unbalanced, but his anger against women over their "failure" to give him something he felt he "deserved" is just plain scary. :-(
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Male 5,969
There`s really no point in arguing for or against guns in this matter. The US has guns. That`s the reality we live in here. As our Republic is currently assembled and voting that is NEVER going away. I don`t know what kind of reforms would have stopped this from happening other than The US banning or limiting gun ownership decades in the past (IE didn`t happen). I`m going to take this for what it is: Some crazy mofo with his first world problems took out a bunch of people. The only thing we can learn from this is crazy people do crazy poo. This is the world we live in.
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Male 892
"A guy goes on a killing spree, and your response is to say we should give up our only means of protection?"

How is a gun a means of protection? If the people that got killed were carrying guns would it have saved there lives?
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Male 187
@turdburglar, it is an issue that there are so many guns in America. An outright ban tomorrow would not solve that problem and innocent people would still be shot every day until the numbers of guns reduced (as they inevitably would, most of the guns purchased illegally were purchased legally somewhere down the line before being stolen / fenced).

This is your argument and it does make sense. I don`t totally agree that it is an insurmountable problem however.

My question is, would you prefer to live in an America with European levels of gun ownership and safeguards? Attainability aside would that be a better America?
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Male 2,332
Damn. Someone should`ve told him he could just have a wank instead.
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Male 6,737
Some of the comments on here are frankly disgusting and narrow minded.
There had been warning signs last month when he was questioned by police after posting another YouTube video but was deemed no threat. He had aspergers syndrome and was clearly in need of mental help.

The way some of you disgusting cretins throw blame around if frankly childish and you should be ashamed. People have died, have some drating civility.
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Male 3,081
If I lived in the States I think I`d be on the side for some limited gun reforms, I don`t think ownership should be banned or guns taken away from the majority of people, but do think it`s stupid that someone with diagnosed mental illnesses isn`t asessessed more before being allowed to own one.

That said, I do think this case in particular shows that the old argument of `well even if we banned guns then they`d just find something else to kill with` has some truth to it... apparently he stabbed his 3 housemates to death rather than shooting them, so no amount of gun control would have saved those 3.
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Female 6,381
turdburglar: I knew some regulars would throw sparks over my comment, but this story does exemplify why so many of us don`t agree with the primitive American desire for everyone to walk around carrying deadly weapons. If they ever do, then each time someone gets drunk and angry, each time there`s an incident of road rage, each time someone can`t sleep because of noisy neighbours, each time some self-important little sh*t can`t find a girlfriend, there will be an excellent chance that somebody will be killed. For all the civilized world except for our friends the USA, that is simply not an acceptable risk. If American handguns faced the same restrictions they do in other countries, thousands more of your citizens would be alive each year.
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Female 3,187
20 bucks says that he`s had Ritalin shoved down his throat since he was able to walk so mommy didn`t have to put any effort into raising him.
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Male 17,512
Spoiled hollywood liberal brat, throws a fit, gets stabby and then shoots up a University.

And you liberals are paranoid of us "redneck" conservatives? I think your fears are misplaced.
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Male 3,745
almost forgot i sent this in.

kid was a weird douche bag.
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Male 4,893

Here come the europeans and carmium. (logic not included)

What you guys are saying doesn`t make sense. A guy goes on a killing spree, and your response is to say we should give up our only means of protection?

Don`t be a fool and say "ban guns". It`s impossible. We have nearly as many guns as people. Americans don`t want to ban guns anyways.

Who`s going to protect you, the police? They couldn`t protect all the people this guy killed.

A douche kills people, and you blame the inanimate object? What about blaming the douche doing the killing.

So what`s your realistic solution? You don`t have one? That`s because you don`t know squat about the subject. You haven`t educated yourself on the topic. You decided you don`t like guns based off your emotions. Emotions aren`t rational.

If you don`t like guns, don`t buy one, but be realistic.
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Male 7,353
Two notes:

1) Elliot Rodger`s family contacted police last week out of concern over disturbing videos he posted

2) Officers interviewed him and found him to be a `perfectly polite, kind and wonderful human` (after all, he was the kid of a hollywood bigwig...they`re allowed to be asswipe...couldn`t do any harm).
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Male 3,231
he had a chance to add such symmetry to "The Hunger Games" by using a compound bow and lighting himself on fire. Really dropped the ball on this one. definitely not an artist.
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Male 3,445
I used to live about five minutes from there. Isla Vista is a pretty miserable place, as far as I`m concerned.
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Male 1,745
Just listening 30 seconds to this douchebag, it`s no mystery why no woman would want to kiss him, let alone have sex with him.
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Female 3,187
another `progressive-raised", entitled brat going on a shooting rampage? imagine that!
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Male 7,775
Don`t panic, he`s a responsible gun owner.
Aren`t they all until they use it.
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Male 2,436
Yep, massive toolbag.

And he whined about girls? Obvious closet `mo is obvious.
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Male 1,803
Very sad.

There`ll be another incident before the end of summer no doubt.
Actually, Thinking about it, there hasn`t been a mass school shooting for a while in the US
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Male 2,436
Special snowflake is told no and goes on a rampage.

He must have been a massive tool if he had money and Hollywood connections, yet still couldn`t get laid.

The only reason this happened was because there weren`t any signs saying it was a "Gun Free Zone." This could have been prevented.
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Female 6,381
At least he died asserting his right to own whatever guns he wanted, even as a psycho.
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Male 3,745
Link: California Murderous Rampage - 6 Dead [Pic+] [Rate Link] - `Son of Hunger Games assistant director` Elliot Rodger is suspected of murdering 6 and wounding many more.
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