Bibi Asked To Resume Peace Talks [Pic]

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Ex-generals, police chiefs tell PM: Resume peace talks

In letter to Netanyahu initiated by Major General (res.) Amnon Reshef, 105 retired and reservist officers call for broader negotiations with entire region: "Lead - and we will stand behind you."

If you add up the total number of the years they spent in the Israel Defense Forces, the Israel Police and the Mossad, you come to the incomprehensible sum of more than 3.5 millennia in the service of state security. And now, 105 former high-ranking army and police officers and Mossad chiefs have decided to join together and step out of their private comfort zones to sign a letter calling on Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu "not to join the ranks of those who use threats as an excuse for resting on our laurels, and to initiate a political process."

We"re not dealing here with serial signatories whose names and ranks adorn every petition for peace or in support of a Greater Israel. The names this time are different. Among them are ex-generals who left their uniforms behind a long time ago, like former Mossad chief Zvi Zamir and retired Major General Amiram Levin. And you"ll also find major generals like Dani Biton and Avi Mizrahi, who parted ways with the Israel Defense Forces only recently and were members of the General Staff that embarked on Operation Cast Lead. They more than anyone else are familiar with the reality on the ground. The signatories also include three former police chiefs Assaf Hefetz, Yaakov Turner and Herzl Shafir.

"We, the undersigned, reserve IDF commanders and retired police officers, who have fought in Israel"s military campaigns, know first-hand of the heavy and painful price exacted by wars," reads the letter initiated by Major General (res.) Amnon Reshef, a former Armored Corps commander, who says he"s sick and tired of a reality of rounds of fighting every few years instead of a genuine effort to adopt the Saudi initiative.

"We fought bravely for the country in the hope that our children would live here in peace," the letter continues, "but we got a sharp reality check, and here we are, again sending our children out onto the battlefield, watching them don their uniforms and combat vests and go out to fight in Operation Protective Edge This is not a question of left or right. What we have here is an alternative option for resolving the conflict that is not based solely only on bilateral negotiations with the Palestinians, which have failed time and again We expect a show of courageous initiative and leadership from you. Lead and we will stand behind you."

We sat down to speak with four of the signatories in the yard of Reshef"s home in Tel Aviv. Joining us were Major General (res.) Hagai Shalom, former head of the IDF"s Technological and Logistics Directorate and current businessman and owner of the Tiv Ta"am chain and the Argaz company; Major General (res.) Eyal Ben-Reuven, former commander of the IDF colleges who still performs reserve duty as deputy GOC Northern Command; and Major General (res.) Avi Mizrahi, former GOC Central Command and current deputy CEO of Elbit.

From Gaza to Berlin

For Shalom, who left the military in the mid-1990s, this is the first time he"s agreed to lend his signature to a petition of any kind.

"I fear for the future of the country," he says, explaining the deviation from his norm. "The situation here has never been a simple one, but the picture appears blacker than usual of late. There"s a lack of purpose. You don"t see anyone taking the lead along a chosen path, towards hope. Prime Minister Netanyahu is very talented and he"s a fighter, but he"s caught up with his own political survival and that, rather than the fate of the country, is the main focus of his concerns. Unfortunately, the country needs more these days.

"I don"t know if the petition will lead to change, but we have to start somewhere. We need to find a way to unite all the sane voices, inside and outside government, so as to put an end to the processes that lead us into dangerous situations. And I"m talking about Tzipi Livni and Yair Lapid. Anyone who chooses to remain in the government, from the right or the center, and lends a hand to the government without instigating a political process is committing a very big sin."

Mizrahi, too, has steered clear thus far of petitions and letters of this kind. He retired from the IDF two years ago and took a year off before joining Elbit. "I haven"t signed petitions or letters before because I was still in uniform," Mizrahi says. "Now, too, I joined in because the letter is correctly and appropriately worded. It"s not categorized as left or right, but expresses instead genuine concern for the fact that nothing is happening. As a military man I"m able to say with certainty that we will achieve the best security if there is peace here."

Petitions from the left or the right are published every few months. What makes the current one any difference?

Reshef:

"The difference is in the message, and in particular in the number of signatures at the end of the letter that is addressed to the Prime Minister, but through him to the public at large, too. Read the names of the signatories. They"re all combat soldiers, major generals and brigadier generals and please forgive me, my comrades of other ranks, for not managing to reach you. I was fired up. I saw Egyptian President Abdel Fattah el-Sisi call on Israel to enter into negotiations, and no one in Israel is picking up the gauntlet."

"I saw us launch operation Protective Edge and got the sense that we"ve become accustomed to yet another round of fighting every three years. I was fired up. I wrote the petition and I thought I would get the signatures of 40-50 senior officers. Happily, one friend brought another, and hardly anyone refused. The power in the names is unique and a one-off occurrence."

Ben-Reuven:

"We"ve spent most of our lives in the world of war. When you"re there, you look at things differently than you do when you"re in civilian life, where I started looking through a broader prism. The further away from it I move and look back, the more I realize just how much the issue of the world of war is folly and offers zero benefit."

Were all the wars unnecessary?

"The recent wars only intensified their lack of purposefulness. Don"t get me wrong, I"m not discounting the problematic environment in which we live, and the fact that we need to be strong therein. We"ve established an empire here - Economic and security. But we are using the tools at the disposal of the empire in the worst possible way. Instead of using force to prevent the folly of the world of war, we have become a society led by statesmen who are taking us to the extreme and a shortsighted viewpoint that centers on force, force and more force. This I see as an existential threat in the near future."

Reshef:

"We argue in the letter that the Yom Kippur War stemmed from political blindness. I also say that if there"s no political follow-up to operation Protective Edge its fallen soldiers were in vain. And if so, what did the residents of the Gaza-boarder communities suffer for, and why did we need this trauma for the entire population, if already now they"re talking about a second and third round. For God"s sake, there is a solution that could prevent the following rounds. We need to come to a settlement with the moderate Arab states, which have more leverage over the Palestinians than we do."

Do you really believe that we can reach a comprehensive political settlement?

Reshef:

"Definitely - establish a Palestinian state and reach a comprehensive agreement with dozens of Arab states in the region."

Ben-Reuven:

"Today I believe that the State of Israel must make every effort to reduce the potential for conflict in the region. When looking at the region around us, it is a barrel of fuel surrounded by candles. All it takes is a minute for everything to explode. The current situation in the Arab world has actually created an opportunity that needs to be built upon to promote a different regional peace. And it can be done because we are strong."

Mizrahi:

"That"s a tricky question because everyone has their own definition of the term "comprehensive regional peace". Until now, by the way, we"ve failed when trying to speak only with the Palestinians, so perhaps a comprehensive move would be more successful. But if you"ll allow me to reach even higher, Egypt and Israel share an interest in solving the problem. For example, Sinai is a large area of land most of which is undeveloped or uninhabited. If the Egyptians were to donate a few dozen square kilometers to the Gaza Strip, it could be beneficial to the joint development of the area and create a situation in which they, too, and not only we are in the game."

Shalom:

"I believe that the situation in which Israel finds itself today can be changed. The world in general and the Arab world in particular are bubbling over and we could have taken advantage of the situation to move forward. But instead of doing, there is unnecessary chatter against the superpower, the United States, which is always there when we need it. The crisis with them is inappropriate, undignified and stupid."

Meanwhile, there are young Israelis who are choosing to go live in Berlin. Is this a consequence of the situation?

Shalom:

"I don"t want to hear of Berlin. Unfortunately, as a businessman I can say that the government chooses to fight businesses rather than make things easier for them, and it all rolls over to the consumer who struggles under the burden. My businesses are in Israel. I didn"t go abroad not because we don"t have any cause for despair, but because we are doomed if we despair. The prime minister understands economics and he must alleviate the cost-of-living burden on the young and the weaker segments of the population." 

How?

Shalom:

"By dropping VAT on basic products an 18 percent reduction would be a huge relief for the weaker strata. The problem is that there"s no ruling authority, neither political nor economic, and the prime minister invests most of his resources in politics and not the economy."

Mizrahi:

"If you were to ask me where to invest, I would say education. The cost of living bothers me too, and I earn well. I lived abroad for a few years and believe me I could have become a millionaire had I stayed there; but this is my country and I came back. The young people"s protest is just, and if they take to the streets, I will join them. But there"s a big gap between that and leaving the country."

We would appreciate your response

The abduction and murder of the three Israeli teenagers, the shocking murder of Mohammed Abu Khdeir, and the attempted assassination last Wednesday of right-wing activist Yehuda Glick are just some of the recent events that have brought the already volatile situation between Arabs and Jews in Jerusalem to the boiling point.

"We are not seeing the start of a third intifada," Mizrahi determines. "I say this based on knowledge rather than an assessment. The Palestinians and their leadership don"t want friction. The current situation will calm down soon. Moreover, an intifada isn"t the thing that should prompt us into a political settlement; but if there is no political settlement, the region will eventually burst into flames.

"In addition, they seem to be under the impression that when we are pressed, we are more generous when it comes to concessions. Take that into consideration. In the absence of hope, the quiet will not last forever. Furthermore, a settlement is good for Israel"s security. We have to try, so that we can tell our children that we tried and did all we could."

Despite the lack of a peace agreement, the country is flourishing. It"s impossible to find a parking space or a table at a restaurant, and perhaps the right-wing is right in saying that the Palestinians will eventually realize that they"re not going to get a state, and they"ll get used to the situation and live with us in peace.

Mizrahi:

"Just this week, UNICEF published a report on the terrible state of Israel"s poor children. The country is prospering because there people here are powerfully driven to show that despite the situation, they will succeed. But let"s not fool ourselves if they don"t invest, if they don"t reach a settlement, either we will lose the next war, and this is hard to see, or we will pay a very heavy price in casualties."

Shalom:

"Israel is an amazing country. It has talented, diligent, innovative people. The problem is not the people, but the weakness of the government, or the lack of government, which has created intolerable gaps and 90 percent of the blame rest on the government"s shoulders."

Ben-Reuven:

"The national leadership brainwashed us with the idea of a Greater Israel from Rabin and Peres and northwards. Today, sanity must be restored to the public and we need to make it clear that there is a way to combine forces and interests and to reach political settlements. I have no doubt that if they were to bring such a settlement to a referendum, more than 70 percent would be in favor of it."

Is Netanyahu made of the right stuff? Is he capable of achieving a settlement?

Reshef:

"Theoretically? He"s capable. Does he want to? I don"t have an answer to that."

Shalom:

"I don"t believe that Bibi will do something if he has the choice not to do it. He"ll be forced to act only if he has no choice or in the event of elections. Perhaps the only way to change the current situation is through elections. Even if a government under his leadership were to come into power again, it would be a new beginning. Bibi is not a bad person. The problem is that the path he is walking will lead to nowhere."

Mizrahi:

"Bibi is certainly capable. Will he heed our letter? That"s a different question entirely."

Ben-Reuven:

"He"s made of the right stuff and if he wants to be, he is capable. For now, however, when looking at the end result, the man has failed."

So why are you appealing to him in the letter?

Ben-Reuven:

"I"m appealing through him to the public. I signed the letter from a public perspective, in the hope that it will serve as an incentive to bring about a change in leadership."

Reshef:

"We are appealing to him in the hope that he will understand that he has an opportunity to get our help. If it doesn"t work out, my next goal is to put together a structured system that will allow us to organize a demonstration involving 200-300 thousand people next spring, with the message being a call for a regional political settlement that will lead to security-economic-social prosperity."


Yeah Bibi, stop war mongering and get to peace talking
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Male 4,099
@Doiknowyou:

Thanks man, I really appreciate your civility in discussing such issues with you, it`s a true credit to your character and is a mark of wisdom, Kudos.
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Male 1,365
Thank you for your honest opinion. It was well formed and thought out and with pertinent info.
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Male 4,099
You asked before what a solution would look like.

Well I`ll tell you my view. Any image of peace in Palestine and Israel is one in which Hamas does not exist. If you do not stop Hamas, then you can not discuss peace.

War is not a pretty option, and fighting is never fun, but when it is the only productive option, it becomes the Pareto optimum. The costs of continuing to simply stroke our egos and say we prefer talks that we know will be unsuccessful, is nothing but specious sophistry that only prolongs the costs of the conflict.
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Male 4,099
Look peace talks are great if the opponent is interested in peace. Civil rights are wonderful when they don`t come at the cost of hundreds of innocent lives. Humanitarian aid is important but not when Hamas forbids it to be used on the populace and instead uses it to build tunnels into Israel.

Hamas is not a political organisation that cares anything at all about the sanctity of life. When they were asked how they felt about the lives of their citizens Hamas responded "For the Palestinian people, death has become an industry, at which women excel, the elderly excel at this, and so do the children. This is why they have formed human shields of the women, the children."

Look the Palestinians and Hamas aren`t making missiles and rockets. This is an Iranian proxy war, fueled by nationalism and religion, armed and funded by the North Koreans, Syria, Qatar, Turkey, and Iran itself. Hamas is merely the form it takes once in Palestine.
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Male 4,099
Look I`m not saying the Israeli`s are squeaky clean. But if it were any other nation on that plot of land, they would blow the living crap out of Hamas and Palestine.

Calls for "proportionality" of death rates would be scoffed at. What nation has ever tried to make a war equivalent, in war your objective is to win not be politically correct to other foreign powers.

I get your point Israel has set up settlements in the west bank. But notice the attacks are not coming out of the west bank. They are coming from the Gaza strip, an area that Israel freely gave up in good faith.

Yes, they don`t let the Palestinians come over, because every time they try it, Hamas sends waves of suicide bombers, and take Israeli`s as hostages.

Hamas are terrorists plain and simple, and every single time Israel has attempted to make peace or even just a cease-fire, Hamas takes it as a sign of weakness and ramps up attacks again.
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Male 4,099
@Doiknowyou:

That is a very biased video, now if that were it, terrorists would only target the US and Israel.

But they not only attack Americans. They attack the Canadians, Europeans, the Australians, the Saudis, the Egyptians, the Algerians, the Pakistani`s, the Russians, the Indians, the Chinese, the African nations. They go after other sects of Islam far more frequently and viciously then they do the Americans.

They are Wahhabist organisations bent on spreading Sunni Islam throughout the world. Attacking America was a show of power that was used as massive funding and recruiting ploy.

If Israel was the only reason why would they attack places like Somalia and Algeria, they don`t even recognize Israel as a country?
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Male 4,099
@trimble: "Pssst, Hamas was created and funded by the Mossad."


Pssst, your wrong, Mossad funded the Muslim Brotherhood back in the 70`s when it was making charities like the Mujama al-Islamiya that built schools, Mosques, and hospitals in Gaza. They were also enemies of the PLO and Fatah who were the main threats to Israel at that time. A strategy that was considered cutting-edge and successful at the time especially after the US had just used it against the Russians in Afghanistan.

Hamas wasn`t formed until 1987 after a traffic accident inspired the first Intifada and it wasn`t funded by Isreal but by the Egyptian, Lebanese, and Saudi Muslim brotherhood donors and Iranian Hezbollah. Israel wasn`t even aware of Hamas until 1989, after it killed a couple Israeli soldiers.
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Male 14,331
[quote]UN resolutions Israel has refused to abide by?[/quote]

Why should they Palestine didn`t and the UN did nothing to help Israel with them. You ignore Palestine has been the aggressor they just suck at it.

[quote]Pssst, Hamas was created and funded by the Mossad.[/quote]

Thats some tin foil hat s**t right there...They funded anti PLO groups but never supported Hamas that`d be as smart as them funding a new Nazi party in Egypt.
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Male 40,764
[quote]Pssst, Hamas was created and funded by the Mossad.[/quote]

@trimble: If I suspected you were joking? It might be funny... seriously? You`re beyond redemption...

@richanddead: I know a little about Israel`s politics, just how the system works, not the "players" involved :-)
It`s far too much to cover in 999 characters, lolz!!

You are correct: even members of the same "party" can disagree on major issues. It`s the nature of "representational Democracy" where seats are handed out by % portion of votes received.

And also correct: It wouldn`t be a "Press Release" if it wasn`t politically motivated...

@Doiknowyou: You DO KNOW that Kerry`s efforts this year have been blocked BY Hamas, right? Israel has sat down with Kerry, but the other side refuses to join until "preconditions" are 100% met. Is THAT "talks" or a demand Israel surrender? Honestly.
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Male 1,365
Yeah, talk about blowback...
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Male 4,099
@5Cats:
"They were appointed LONG AGO, correct? Not personally by Netanyahu, correct? Ok then!"

Not quite, although your partly correct. Netanyahu appointed people like Major General Amiram Levin to Mossad but as manager to handle bureaucracy, he actually has no intelligence experience whatsoever.

Israeli politics is gordian`s knot of positions, policies, and stances. There are dozens of political parties and they are forced to create alliances with each other to win elections. Right now the main parties the Likud, Yesh Atid, the Jewish Home, and the Hatnuah are respliting.

The Yesh Atid`s faction leader Ofer Shelah publicly went against his parties stated convictions a few months ago and said that Israel should rethink Arab Peace Initiative.

This is most likely an offshoot of that, if this was not political and was a serious tactical recommendation then the letter would never have been sent to the press.
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Male 4,152
Pssst, Hamas was created and funded by the Mossad.
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Male 4,152
What side McGovern1981? Israel took the rest of the land they wanted not granted by partition through a "pre-emptive strike" for "securable boarders" yet they really just wanted the land and continue to settle it. Are you aware of how many UN resolutions Israel has refused to abide by? It`s staggering. And the bla, bla part is because of the same old mantra over and over. I used to buy it all up too until I realized what a sham it all is.
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Male 40,764
How has Israel treated all those nations which repeatedly INVADED it as recently as the 70`s?

Pretty darn good!
Israel doesn`t invade Jordan, Egypt, Saudi Arabia or any other nation which isn`t ACTIVELY threatening it`s existence.
It bombed Iraq (nuclear weapons program) and Syria (chemical weapons program) but with exactly 2 bombers each time. The definition of a "measured response" I`d say!

Compare to Clinton`s bombings of 3rd party nations, for example. Or Obama`s bombing in 7 countries: hitting civilians, military and terror targets alike... and targeting US Citizens...

I`d mention Bush also, but that horse was beaten to death long ago...
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Male 40,764
[quote]They are RETIRED...[/quote]
@Doiknowyou: Which makes them eligible to enter politics!! IDK if they are -specifically- members of parties opposed to Netanyahu`s or not, eh? They clearly oppose his politics, NOT his actions.

>Not one says they should have ignored Hamas` rockets and terror tunnels, for example.
They may complain about the "extent" of the military actions, but not that it wasn`t 100% required.

They were appointed LONG AGO, correct? Not personally by Netanyahu, correct? Ok then! :-)

It is EASY to make peace with Hamas: Have them stop killing, bombing and shooting rockets.
Presto! Peace.

"One Side" simply cannot "make peace" ok? That is called "surrender" and would result in a second Holocaust = without doubt!

It takes TWO sides to end a war, but only ONE (Hamas) to keep it going...
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Male 1,365
The best way to never get peace is to quit reaching for it. You (5Cats and McGovern) seem to (at least make it seem through your arguments) have it figured that peace is impossible to attain with palestinians. My question to you is: Will there ever be peace in the middle east if Bibi continues on the same path? If not, what would your answer to this problem be if you could have it your way. I`m trying to be fair here...
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Male 14,331
[quote]Bla bla bla, blabla, blabla, bla bla bla. Thanks, we`ve all heard it before.[/quote]

The words of someone without any valid argument. This can be said of your side too. You want to paint Palestine as a victim now who attacked first and broke every ceasefire again? Who didn`t recognize the UN partition of 1947? Now that it had the opposite planned effect we`re supposed to see them as a victim?
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Male 14,331
I`m not sure how blinded hippies can`t see how Palestine supports execution without trial, terrorism, human shields, beating of women, killing of women who don`t follow sharia law, killing of those who sell land to a Jew, the INTENTIONAL targeting of civilians and all sorts of other lovely laws/believes. How can you think that you should allow a place like that to be or how that wouldn`t encourage that sort of thing if you rolled over and gave them what in reality won`t appease them?
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Male 4,152
Bla bla bla, blabla, blabla, bla bla bla. Thanks, we`ve all heard it before.
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Male 14,331
Palestine was never a state I don`t recognize a state run by Hamas. Hamas doesn`t want peace if they did they`d stop breaking every ceasefire and using schools and children as shields to puppet morons for sympathy. It`s been that way since Israel was recreated which is why the country that never existed boarders are shrinking and up until they actually pursue peace LET THEM DIE! If you give them anything they`ll just cause more problems.
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Male 1,365
I see what you mean but why are they now his opponents? Do they fly the flag of the opposition? They are RETIRED...and yeah, the chief of staff appoints the general.
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Male 4,099
Yes, talk to the terrorist organisation that dismantled Palestine`s democratic elections, openly assassinates any political dissenters, encourages and uses human shields, has broken every truce and ceasefire that it`s entered, praises Osama bin Laden as a "great holy warrior" and wants to set up an religious Islamic state over Israel and Jordan.

These retired and reservist officers are supporters of a Saudi-style Arab Peace Initiative. Here is the problem with that:

1. It makes Jews give up the Temple Mount, the holiest Jewish site.

2. It only called upon Israel to do a series of things and there was no call upon the Palestinians to stop terrorism.

3. The withdrawal from Gaza two years ago proved that any Israeli withdrawal, particularly a unilateral one, does not advance peace, but rather establishes new terror bases for radical Islam.

4. Hamas responded to the idea with the Passover massacre.
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Male 4,152
5Cats is a funny dude.
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Male 1,365
I see what you mean but why are they now his opponents? Do they fly the flag of the opposition? They are RETIRED...
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Male 40,764
@trimble: Funny? The Democrats and the MSM have been saying EXACTLY THAT for the past 6 years. Haven`t you been paying attention?
Or is your memory THAT "selective"?

@Doiknowyou: Um, if these are "former" Generals and agents? I don`t think Netanyahu -himself- appointed them! Right? Perhaps his party did? OR other parties that were in power before?? Yes?

Anyhow, they now are his -Political Opponents- and it should come as NO surprise they have nothing nice to say about him.

They also have NO ANSWERS either, just demand he "do something" which no Israeli government has ever succeeded in doing... despite decades of dedicated efforts!!

Ask Nancy Pelosi what she thinks of George Bush: I bet it`s far from flattering... yet she was "in power" under his Presidency. See? Same sort of thing.
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Male 4,152
Criticism of the Israeli government is no more anti-Semitic than criticizing the US governemt is racist. Another fact.
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Male 1,365
"So a bunch of his political enemies get together and talk about how much better THEY would do at running the country?"

Not at all, they are all former Generals, cops, and Mossad (special forces) So people HE put at the bar to lead their army,police, and special forces into battle. These are the people at the front lines and who have the best advice to give their Prime Minister on the state of battles and how they should proceed. How in God`S name can you call these ex employees enemies? Because they don`t agree with his current actions? They also never said they would be better, they simply ask that he take another course of action...the problem is that any other course of action will not get him votes ;)
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Male 40,764
Scroll down at the site for intelligent, long responses to this nonsense.

WHO are these `States` Israel should `negotiate` with?
WHAT has happened every other time Israel negotiated?
WHAT `new solutions` are offered by those detractor of Netanyahu? Mysteriously there seem to be... none!

Palestinians HAVE their own Nation: Gaza. Period!

The fact that they demand ALL OF ISRAEL be cleared of Jews is irrelevant. Sometimes things simply are "one-sided" ok? Sometimes compromise is simply impossible.

I`ve yet to see anything remotely like "compromise" from Hamas, btw...
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Male 40,764
So a bunch of his political enemies get together and talk about how much better THEY would do at running the country?

NEWS FLASH: Other parties have been in power in Israel: They did NOT do any better, did they? They fought wars too, exactly the same.

"We need to come to a settlement with the moderate Arab states..."

Which states might those be? Hummm?? Egypt HAD an Israeli ally in power: Obama helped overthrow him & replaced it with an ally of Hamas! The MYTH of "Moderate Muslim States" is laughable. Name them!

Is Israel willing to make peace? YES! They`ve tried for decades, and EVERY TIME it was rejected by the PLO or whomever was in power. Every - single - time.

Two anti-Semitic posts in one day on IAB? And people complain when American Politics gets posted...
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Male 1,365
Link: Bibi Asked To Resume Peace Talks [Pic] [Rate Link] - Yeah Bibi, stop war mongering and get to peace talking
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