Holy Grail Finally Found

Submitted by: diemorondie 3 years ago in Misc




Visitors flocked to the San Isidro basilica in the northwestern city of Leon after two historians published a book saying the ancient goblet was the mythical chalice from which Christ sipped at the Last Supper.

The director of the basilica"s museum, Raquel Jaen, said the cup was taken off display on Friday while curators look for an exhibition space large enough to accommodate the crowds.

"It was in a very small room where it was not possible to admire it to the full," she told AFP.

Made of agate, gold and onyx and encrusted with precious stones, the object in Leon is formed by two goblets joined together, with one turned up, the other down.

It has been known until now as the goblet of the Infanta Dona Urraca, daughter of Fernando I, King of Leon from 1037 to 1065.

The two historians -- Leon University medieval history lecturer Margarita Torres and art historian Jose Manuel Ortega del Rio -- identified it as the grail in their book "Kings of the Grail", published last week.

They said two Egyptian parchments they found in 2011 at Cairo"s University of Al-Azhar set them on a three-year investigation.



Their studies led them to identify the upper part of the princess"s goblet, made of agate and missing a fragment as described in the parchments, as the grail -- one of the most prized relics in Christianity.

It was offered to Fernando, a powerful Christian Spanish king, as a peace offering by the emir of a kingdom in the Muslim part of Spain at the time, Torres said.

In Europe alone there are 200 supposed Holy Grails, the Spanish researchers admitted. They attempted to debunk the authenticity of some of the better known candidates in their book.

Crowds swamp church in Spain after "Holy Grail" claim
There are 27 comments:
Male 12,365
[quote]I`ll just encourage people to really learn what Christians are about before you judge.[/quote]

Christians vary wildly. Some are decent people who therefore ignore most of their own religion. Some aren`t.

The only thing that is common to all Christians is their belief in the absolute authority of some stories created by unknown people in the bronze age and their belief in the partial modification of those stories by unknown people between 1500 and 2000 years ago. They consider that authority to apply to everyone (although not all of them try to force it on everyone). Their religion is wildly dangerous because it ascribes absolute authority to whatever they want, explicitly including pretty much everything bad. Their god is a violent psychopath. Their approach to everything is disturbingly irrational because it places faith and obedience above evidence and reason.

I judge them on what is true about them.
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Male 12,365
[quote]I dont know... getting SO excited about a CUP that jesus drank from... you can find better ways to waste your time.[/quote]

Especially as the whole thing is a late medieval fiction. The holy grail doesn`t appear until the courtly romances (i.e. fictional stories) of the late medieval period and it was created as a plot device. Authors needed a reason for their characters to go questing, so they made one up. It has no more connection to Christianity than the Indiana Jones film, which used the same thing for the same purpose. The "original" grail wasn`t even a Christian relic - it was a magic plate not specifically connected to any religion.

It never ceases to surprise me how little most theists know about their own religion.
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Male 2,711
@papajon0s1 (new nick?)
fyi: The Mafia builds playgrounds and shelters in their neighborhoods. The Yakuza often provides earthquake disaster relief. Pablo Escobar notoriously spent millions on parks, schools, stadiums, churches and housing for the poor.

Evidence an organization does good things is not evidence that the organization is good.
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Male 39,909

[quote]"the Catholic church I go to had an emergency blood drive last night. Just saying, generalizing is very dangerous. "[/quote]
Both the Hell`s Angels and the Satanic Church have had blood drives. That doesn`t mean they`re groups I would join. ... just sayin
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Male 579
Well, I`ll respond to all the hate in these comments with compassion. I`ll just encourage people to really learn what Christians are about before you judge. i.e. the Catholic church I go to had an emergency blood drive last night. Just saying, generalizing is very dangerous.
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Male 39,909

Now let`s all kneel down and pray before some rich bastards sippy cup.
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Male 3,674
now i face a tough decision to make. should i watch monty python and the holy grail or indiana jones and the last crusade? its moments like these that make me realize just how hard life is.
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Male 15,261
Bollocks! Everyone knows he drank from the skulls of his vanquished foes.
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Male 7,123
To be fair to the grail theorists I think the idea is that a basic cup has been surrounded and overlayed by bling, rather than it being that ostentatious at the time.
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Male 39,909
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Male 1,243
Lord Jim speaks the truth, the holy grail is fiction and unrelated to Christianity.
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Female 2,228
Jesus owned the first ever pimp cup? One for ages that one...
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Male 1,454
interesting.

its amazing how much trash talking people need to do against faith to feel good about themselves.
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Male 550
For someone who preached modesty and selflessness, that`s a pretty blinged-out cup.
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Female 8,051
Oh we all KNOW that the REAL grail is a bloodline.. due to Mr Brown that noted historian LOL..
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Male 10,338
You have chosen, poorly.


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Male 97
I though Facebook bought the Holy Grail for $2-billion.
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Male 1,558
Aren`t the "faithful"(simple minded)easy to fool ?
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Male 892
pffft. Everyone knows that the Holy Grail is buried here in Nova Scotia.
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Female 1,571
I dont know... getting SO excited about a CUP that jesus drank from... you can find better ways to waste your time.
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Male 12
@ McGovern
I don`t believe that is the Grail any more than you do; but they`re suggesting that only the top portion is the grail. The bottom part and gold adornment were added later.
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Male 7,123
The story of the grail is twelfth century and t was not a cup but a salver.

There is a tradition of a holy chalice used at the Last Supper; there are two (implausible) candidates, but neither are claimed as authentic
by the Vatican.

Just the old story of bigging up a `relic` to increase income from the gullible.
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Male 1,949
It`s amazing how much bible thumpers believe in their own talking burning bush and 3 day old zombie fearless leader, yet a guy who is down on his luck asking for food or a job gets to see the underside of their collective noses.

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Male 14,331
Mabey I`ve been watching Indiana Jones too much but that doesn`t strike me as the cup of a carpenter and poor man.
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Female 4,413
more cult activity
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Male 4,745
Holy crap. You guys just love to play pretend!
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Female 648
Link: Holy Grail Finally Found [Rate Link] - Crowds swamp church in Spain after `Holy Grail` claim
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