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  1. Profile photo of Cajun247
    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    April 10, 2014 at 5:01 am
    Link: Ben Stein Runs His Mouth Again - As if his deception-laden film Expelled wasn`t bad enough.
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    patchouly Male 40-49
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    April 10, 2014 at 6:36 am
    What a complete and utter dick. Some people have their heads so far up their asses that they just swimming in sh*t
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    April 10, 2014 at 6:38 am

    I`m leaning towards agreeing with him.
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    Mikeman64 Male 40-49
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    April 10, 2014 at 7:05 am
    When people are given not just what they need, but what they want without efforts of there own they will not likely strive to achieve and just let others provide for them
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    jwhalerfan Male 30-39
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    April 10, 2014 at 7:07 am
    Ben Stein hits it right on the head, unless you`re a clueless liberal POS and cannot think for yourself.
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    papajon0s1 Male 40-49
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    April 10, 2014 at 7:13 am
    While I don`t care for the over-generalizations of Stein`s remarks, that is, not all poor people fit his description, he does have a point. And that point a lot of people simply do not wish to discuss or think about and instantly write it off as more right-wing elitism. Face the facts! Some people are just down right lazy and will leech of the rest of us when they are capable of contributing on their own. Those are the people I have a BIG problem with; those that can but won`t. Sadly, that is the group that seems to be getting much larger under Obama`s watch. That said, we should, and have, and continue to do all we can to aid those that cannot aid themselves. But I think we are on a slide downward when our own government does all it can to make more and more and more people fit Stein`s description rather than do all it can to make more and more and people move away from that description.
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    Thonious Male 40-49
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    April 10, 2014 at 7:32 am
    Economics is a science. You can refuse to accept the results of the science of economics, just as you can refuse to believe in the reality of evolution, the germ-theory of disease, and gravity, but you still fall down whether you believe in gravity or not.

    It is unfortunate that we are offered a severely edited and biased report of his interview.
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    LordJim Male 60-69
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    April 10, 2014 at 7:42 am
    Rich people are wonderful and the richer they are the more wonderful they are. “They fund symphonies and ballets and schools for inner city kids,” What would we do without all those ballets?

    “They are a bulwark against tyranny because they can afford lawyers to fight overweening government.” And here`s me thinking those lawyers were fighting against paying tax and basic oversight.

    If you believe that billionaires are a bulwark against tyranny you are a lost cause.

    It`s unfortunately all too easy to be poor and receiving benefits while working full time But, nah, much easier to write off poverty as a problem caused by the shiftless poor, with their unearned plumbing and food-stamp lobster and cognac.

    God and billionaires will fix the mess Obama created with his determination to destroy jobs and get everyone on welfare.

    Self-serving simplistic crap.
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    LordJim Male 60-69
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    April 10, 2014 at 7:50 am
    Thonious

    Economics is not a science.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    April 10, 2014 at 8:05 am

    US poor are actually quite well off. If they got work it`d be minimum wage but assistance to the poor pays more than that so what is the incentive to go off the dole?

    Sure there are some who can`t help being poor, but the urban-poor I see are usually system-users. Often it`s the `family business` having learned how to work the system from their parent.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    April 10, 2014 at 8:36 am
    "Cradle to Grave" welfare is common these days. A woman can have & raise 2-3 kids and never hold a job in her life. It`s much more difficult for men, but some manage it.

    "Poor people" in North America and Europe have TV, telephone, clean water, heat, air conditioners, plenty of food, wardrobes & many other things considered luxuries in 3/4 of the world.

    I`m not saying it`s bad! Heck no! Raising the "lowest among us" is a good thing. But whining that others are "billionaires" helps no one and nothing at all.
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    MelCervini Female 40-49
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    April 10, 2014 at 8:38 am

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    Andrew155 Male 18-29
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    April 10, 2014 at 8:48 am
    The poor largely do sabotage themselves. There is countless research into this. It starts in schools, there is massive peer pressure to not try in school. In Black communities, you will be seen as "conforming to the white man". You will be an "Oreo". It`s a race to the bottom.

    LordJim, Economics is a science. It was Victorian historian Thomas Carlyle who labeled it "The Dismal Science", which makes it a science nonetheless.

    The poor in America are not the most needy. It`s the class above them that doesn`t get the same safety net. The poor generally have access to free college (Yes, they do. Including housing during), free healthcare, subsidized housing, subsidized childcare, free iPhones, free food, and more. Yes, they do have access to these things. Everyone else does not.

    American federal, state, and local spending is over 6 trillion. Less than 1 trillion is the military and related. Where do you think the other 5 trillion goes
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    Andrew155 Male 18-29
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    April 10, 2014 at 8:58 am
    Just for a cool exercise, let`s compare tax money spent per person, per country.

    US, 6.3 trillion/315 million = 20,000 spent per person.
    Germany, 1.588 trillion/81.89 million = 19, 391
    UK, 1.188 trillion/63 million = 18,857
    Italy, 1.1 trillion/61.5 million = 17,886
    Japan, 2.5 trillion/128 million = 19,531

    You may follow this all to its logical conclusion.
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
    15844 posts
    April 10, 2014 at 8:59 am
    More proof that liberals hate the truth and anyone who speaks it.

    @Gerry, regarding your use of the singular, I saw what you did there.
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    LordJim Male 60-69
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    April 10, 2014 at 9:12 am
    `Thomas Carlyle ... labeled it "The Dismal Science", which makes it a science nonetheless.`

    Carlyle doesn`t get to decide what is or is not science.

    Economics is a liberal art with a side order of maths. It is essentially based on policy and politics, not on making fundamental discoveries. Nobody really cares about economic data except as a guide to policy. Some aspects of economics have some of the characteristics of science but, dismal or not, the subject itself is not a science.

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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    April 10, 2014 at 9:23 am

    Ollie, well it`s true aint it?
    ;-)
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    April 10, 2014 at 10:32 am
    When you`re right, you`re right!
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    April 10, 2014 at 10:58 am
    Experiment:

    Go to a welfare line on check day. Hand out job applications. Count how many applications you pass out and how many applicants you get. Haters still won`t accept the results.
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    Pooptart19 Male 18-29
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    April 10, 2014 at 11:13 am
    Economics is a liberal art with a side order of maths. It is essentially based on policy and politics, not on making fundamental discoveries. Nobody really cares about economic data except as a guide to policy. Some aspects of economics have some of the characteristics of science but, dismal or not, the subject itself is not a science.
    For once I`m going to have to disagree with you, Andrew155, and side with LordJim.
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    LordJim Male 60-69
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    April 10, 2014 at 11:27 am
    Haters? Hating whom?
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    LordJim Male 60-69
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    April 10, 2014 at 11:36 am
    MelCervini

    Poor people = animals.

    OK.
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    broizfam Male 60-69
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    April 10, 2014 at 12:00 pm
    @jwhalerfan,
    Clearly you`re a clueless conservative a55h*le. Look at how papajon makes his point and learn something from it.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
    14273 posts
    April 10, 2014 at 12:36 pm
    Haters? Hating whom?

    Those who don`t accept the welfare queen utopian dream. Yes, some people need it many milk it out of laziness and politician use it to buy votes.

    MelCervini

    Poor people = animals.

    OK.

    I think the point of that picture sail completely over your head. It`s kind of like the saying "Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime"
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    April 10, 2014 at 12:41 pm
    US poor are actually quite well off. If they got work it`d be minimum wage but assistance to the poor pays more than that so what is the incentive to go off the dole?

    Exactly the state of MA the first model of Obama care is now offering dental to the welfare leeches. My father works a skilled job to pay for that and isn`t offered dental WTF is that? They`re even advertising it!
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    MelCervini Female 40-49
    2092 posts
    April 10, 2014 at 12:42 pm
    LMFAO! right on cue! yes... that`s EXACTLY what`s being said here, that "poor people are animals" People that are sick of supporting the lazy f*cks that **refuse** to work are "hating on the poor people!" NOT the leeches that vote for a living rather than work for one. Typical typical typical.
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    LordJim Male 60-69
    6644 posts
    April 10, 2014 at 1:55 pm
    `Those who don`t accept the welfare queen utopian dream.`

    A strawman if ever there was one. Why would I see welfare dependancy as a utopian dream? It`s a damn nightmare and I see it a lot.

    I`m coming to this from a UK perspective, but Stein is pontificating broadly and, while we haven`t shared the same experiences, our countries are generaly experiencing the same thing. Over the last decade or so the wealth gap has accelerated hard. More people are in that marginal area, more jobs that used to pay a living wage now put workers onto some kind of benefit, there are food banks where before the concept was unknown. And the rich are getting richer and laughing all the way to the bank.

    A few years ago people in my country got really cross. Actually quite angry. About politicians cheating on expenses, about financial institutions screwing us over without consequence, about the press spying and lying and bullying. But they all got together and now we`re angry at the
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    LordJim Male 60-69
    6644 posts
    April 10, 2014 at 2:06 pm
    ...poor.

    (That was only 985.)

    MelCervini,

    Calm down, It was you that made the analogy. OK, so you are not hating on the poor, just `lazy f*cks that **refuse** to work...leeches that vote for a living rather than work for one.`

    Sounds like a fair amount of hate in there. It was a pretty teling analogy. What kind of foraging do you imagine wil result?


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    LordJim Male 60-69
    6644 posts
    April 10, 2014 at 2:10 pm
    McGovern1981

    "Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime"

    "Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and he`ll lie like a bastard.`
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
    14273 posts
    April 10, 2014 at 3:32 pm
    @LordJim
    Why would I see welfare dependancy as a utopian dream? It`s a damn nightmare and I see it a lot.
    They don`t seem to mind I see many spending far more than me shopping buying expensive clothing and food. Their priorities are FUBAR and you can`t fix stupid. Of course there`s also the part where a lot work under the table too. The systems broken it obvious to those who don`t take advantage of it.

    You`ll find both ends of this spectrum doing disgusting things. Pointing the finger at one end to justify the other ends behavior doesn`t make either of them less disgusting.

    P.S. I`m telling ya the fish was as tall as me but before I could get a picture it got away!!
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17515 posts
    April 10, 2014 at 4:03 pm
    Have to love how liberal skew and embellish what conservatives say. But they get extremely indignant when conservatives correctly quote things like, "we have to pass the bill to know what`s in it".

    Liberal philosophy, when all else fails, make conservatives out to be mean and evil, even if you have to lie to do it.
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    normalfreak2 Male 18-29
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    April 10, 2014 at 6:32 pm
    @Thonious

    An economy is not a law of nature, a universal law, or something that happens naturally.

    We invented it, thus it can be changed.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    April 10, 2014 at 7:29 pm
    My real complaint about Stein`s pontification is that people sabotage themselves because of a lack of God. The rest is just non-sequitor ramblings which do nothing to further his point. On the other hand there ARE people who do sabotage themselves (and others) because of TOO MUCH God. Rich are only the result of an economy that does NOT prove they are necessary. That on it`s own, however, does not justify progressive taxation.

    We invented it, thus it can be changed.

    The economy changes all the time without government, it`s only with government do we get unintended and undesirable results.
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    MelCervini Female 40-49
    2092 posts
    April 10, 2014 at 10:46 pm
    Bottom line: my issue is with the people that want handouts not help. Here in the US you can masturbate the system enough to have free: 1)section 8 housing and not just in crap neighborhoods either, (they`re sticking 8`s up in all housing areas now and its backfiring horribly.) 2)Free Food that they`re also trying to push to allow foodstamps in restaurants now. 3) Free utilities 4) Free cell phones 5) free medical/dental 6)vouchers for free clothing. 7) vouchers for a vehicle 8) voucher for gas and the list goes on.... and on. The "handouts" have NO reason to work and don`t want to... thus the comment "they vote for a living" because guess who caters to them to keep them in office? So, yes... I get very jacked up on the abuses of a system that`s supposed to help people back on their feet so they don`t STAY on the teat.... because *I* am paying for it and get to see those exact leeches slap 200-400 bucks a day on lottery tickets, wine and smokes.
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    som-tam Male 18-29
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    April 11, 2014 at 1:49 am
    A complete misrepresentation of what he actually said. liberals cannot argue against his actual points so fabricate ridiculous straw men to stimulate their righteous indignation.

    It`s difficult to argue against what he says and proposes, so instead they choose to invite their marxists comrades to join them in their outrage as the big meanie blaming the poor for being poor and for not being an atheist.
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    Thonious Male 40-49
    987 posts
    April 11, 2014 at 6:24 am
    Economics is a science. It is a social science. Attempting to argue that social sciences are not "real" science would mean that psychology and sociology are not sciences either.

    Lionel Robbins developed the most widely-accepted definition of economics:

    "Economics is a science which studies human behaviour as a relationship between ends and scarce means which have alternative uses." (1932)

    ----------------

    normalfreak2, your argument that "an economy" is not a science is spurious. You are attempting to pretend it away. An economy is not a science, but economics is a science. An economy is the subject of study; economics is the science with which it is studied. It is no different from saying that an organism is not a science, but biology is.

    You can argue the validity of economic conclusions, the methods of economic analyses, or the applicability of economic theories, but you cannot successfully pretend tha
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    Thonious Male 40-49
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    April 11, 2014 at 6:27 am
    (cont`d)

    . . . pretend that an economy cannot be objectively studied, measured, and evaluated.

    Yours is yet another attempt to hide from a science because it generates inconvenient results. I stand by my earlier statement; you can deny gravity, but when you trip, you still fall down.
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    LordJim Male 60-69
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    April 11, 2014 at 6:58 am
    `Attempting to argue that social sciences are not "real" science would mean that psychology and sociology are not sciences either.`

    They aren`t. Sociology?

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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    April 11, 2014 at 10:32 pm
    All science is either physics or stamp collecting.
    - Ernest Rutherford

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