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34 Responses to Think Prostitution Is Cool? Busting Johns In OKC

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    llaa Male 30-39
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    March 15, 2014 at 8:39 am
    Link: Think Prostitution Is Cool? Busting Johns In OKC - Seedier Reality Of Prostitution In OKC & Married Creeps Get Busted
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    Mr_Pedo_Bear Male 70 & Over
    997 posts
    March 15, 2014 at 11:44 am
    Mother Daughter prostitution teams? Well I think I might just go and grab a OK flight. That would be something off the list.
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    Mr_Pedo_Bear Male 70 & Over
    997 posts
    March 15, 2014 at 11:46 am
    On a more serious note Does Legalized Prostitution Increase Human Trafficking?
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    sweetrebelnc Female 18-29
    847 posts
    March 15, 2014 at 11:56 am
    I feel like it`s only a matter of time until some pimp takes a out a hit on that JohnTV guy.
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    keith2 Male 18-29
    2587 posts
    March 15, 2014 at 12:16 pm
    What an a-hole
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
    15844 posts
    March 15, 2014 at 12:17 pm
    I don`t know about you, but I sure feel a lot safer now.
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    fancythat Male 30-39
    1950 posts
    March 15, 2014 at 12:22 pm
    Prostitution? Yeah, sure. Pimping? No. It`s gender slavery.
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    madduck Female 50-59
    7421 posts
    March 15, 2014 at 12:51 pm
    It is down to the degree of coercion. I know a couple of women who are sex workers- they do it freely, have no addictions or pressure but it is a job they are good at, they earn decent money and it suits well. I can see no shame or harm in that- being forced by another person, by poverty, by addiction to do a job you hate, which endangers you and which affords you no protection- there is harm there. It is NOT the job, but the manner which people get into it which is the issue. Lets make it legal, lets lose the stigma and then we may be in a position to help those who ARE coerced..
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    Dad4Life Male 50-59
    2068 posts
    March 15, 2014 at 1:30 pm
    I like the verbiage they use; instead of solicit, they prey, and they don`t have sex, they victimize.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    March 15, 2014 at 1:30 pm
    If they aren`t gonna show any of the sex, then don`t post this.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
    10339 posts
    March 15, 2014 at 1:31 pm
    I don`t understand the "prey" poo.

    These women want this. They make money. they aren`t victims. They are offering the service.
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    LordJim Male 60-69
    6665 posts
    March 15, 2014 at 2:16 pm
    There is no way to stop sexual services for money, it has existed in every known society that has developed the concept of commerce. Even societies where the sanctions were draconian.

    Trying to stop it, as with Prohibition and the War on Drugs, just means giving up any control over public health or social order issues, handing the bad guys a massive income stream and turning otherwise law-abiding citizens into criminals.

    But at least you can regulate and cut down on the worst aspects if accept it it as a reality and don`t criminalise commercial sex.

    sex in public spaces, however, is always distasteful and a huge red light that you have a very serious social problem. Street-walking, pimp-based commercial sex is a symptom of social collapse.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    March 15, 2014 at 2:28 pm

    Why are johns "preying" on women? They`re not jumping out of pushes and pinning them down. That`s the pimp.

    And just `cuase it`s bad in OKC does not mean all prostitution is like that. The girls here in San Diego and the ones in Vegas are all free agents.
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    Mr_Pedo_Bear Male 70 & Over
    997 posts
    March 15, 2014 at 2:28 pm
    @LordJim and @ Madduck. Look at the Article I posted. It discusses two effects from legalising prostitution. The scale effect and the substitute effect.

    You`re suggesting legalising it to substitute illegal pimps and people forced into it etc. So everyone there has a choice.

    But you also have the scale effect. By legalising and normalising it, you increase the market for it massively. And this means you get more prostitutes legal and illegal. As drug addiction poverty etc will still be a factor.

    So what did they discover? Well legalising prostitution does improve the standard generally for a lot of women. Women like your friends Madduck. But the Scale effect eclipsed it. You create such a big market for it, that you get more people at this level trafficked and forced into it. And it becomes a lot harder to help these people.

    So question is with legalisation: Improve the situation minor for a large portion of women at the expense or a now larger sig
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    Mr_Pedo_Bear Male 70 & Over
    997 posts
    March 15, 2014 at 2:33 pm
    (cont) expense or a now larger amount of women although smaller proportion of the overall. Or the reverse, inconvenience for middle/high class prostitutes (who don`t get arrested etc anyway)But have a smaller amount in this type of prostitution.

    Although fun fact it`s estimated about 100K women in the UK are prositutes. Can you name any other industry (nurses , teachers etc) which wouldn`t be regulated? And the Army regulated it during the wars in France so not without precedent.

    Personally I think UK creating a doughnut of illegality around it(pimping, running brothels, kerb crawling, strict liability on the clients for underage or trafficked women etc) but legal to be prostitute is the least bad system.
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    LordJim Male 60-69
    6665 posts
    March 15, 2014 at 2:41 pm
    auburnjunky

    `These women want this.`

    Really? The women who were punched to the ground for not making enough money wanted that? The women filmed weeping as they moved from one encouter to the next wanted that?

    Yes. Some women can choose to engage in commercial sex and be fine with it and make a very good income. And that`s great.

    Others are coerced or desperate or addicted to drugs and that`s not great. It`s probably down to me being a bleeding-heart libtard. I see that and think `Damn, those women need help.` whereas if I were smarter and more pragmatic I`d be thinking. `Yeah, sometimes they get punched to the ground in a parking lot but at least market forces are keeoing the costs of an in-car blow job down.`
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    Irish2012 Male 30-39
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    March 15, 2014 at 2:48 pm
    Perhaps this guy should follow a young man as he picks up his date, takes her to a movie, buys her dinner, gets her a few drinks at the night club.. Follow them as he walks her to her door and is invited in... just as the lights go out "You`re busted buddy!!!"
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
    10339 posts
    March 15, 2014 at 2:55 pm
    They still make a conscious decision to go out and get a pimp and put the guy`s junk in their mouth/vagina/ass etc.

    They aren`t victims of anything except their own bad choices.

    Never understood why the "johns" get arrested.
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    LordJim Male 60-69
    6665 posts
    March 15, 2014 at 3:01 pm
    Mr_Pedo_Bear

    Thanks for making the effort but it`s Saturday and I just glanced at the conclusions part. So can`t legitimately engage with that. Later, maybe.



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    LordJim Male 60-69
    6665 posts
    March 15, 2014 at 3:12 pm
    `They still make a conscious decision...`

    Yes. The fifteen year old featured (and the younger ones reported) had all made a concious decision that whay wanted was to ...

    What? And you don`t see why guys who stick their dicks into the vulnerable - and I`m talking about the coerced - should be held to account?

    What`s the law in your state?
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    LordJim Male 60-69
    6665 posts
    March 15, 2014 at 3:27 pm
    Irish2012

    So if you take a woman to dinner how is that prostitution? Please expand.
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    Xprez Male 30-39
    676 posts
    March 15, 2014 at 6:03 pm
    Someone wants to sell something, someone wants to buy it. If it`s against your morality, don`t buy or sell yourself. Now underage girls or anyone forced into prostitution, is another story. Lock up the pimps in that case.
    Madduck said it best.
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    Agent00Smith Male 18-29
    2581 posts
    March 15, 2014 at 6:56 pm
    @LordJim

    When women expect compensation for sex, it`s prostitution.
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    SavageChef Female 50-59
    2692 posts
    March 15, 2014 at 8:57 pm
    I don`t get pimps. Why the hell would any girl give her hard earned money to a pathetic leech? Why would they need someone to oversee the selling of their own asset?
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    Draculya Male 40-49
    14544 posts
    March 15, 2014 at 9:19 pm
    What`s so wrong with prostitution? I had a fantastic lady last night. It was like the perfect date:

    1) Pick her up in a limo with flowers
    2) Dinner at a high-class restaurant and a romantic movie
    3) Back to her place to make out and 2 hours of kinky f__king

    Except we skipped the first two boring parts.
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    paperduck Male 18-29
    1745 posts
    March 15, 2014 at 9:19 pm
    SavageChef I don`t get prostitutes, johns or pimps. If I wasn`t fully cognizant of its existence, it sounds like a bad movie plot. It`s hard for me to believe that prostitutes could just blow some dude off the street, or really can`t figure out a better way to make money. I can think of few bigger turn offs than handing a woman money to be my sex partner. Maybe a bigger turn off would be rape or threatening to murder her family. That is seriously baffling to me. Isn`t being carnally desired a big part of making sex really sex? And with pimps, I`m with you, but with the other components existing already, they`re almost a minor craziness added to the mix.
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    paperduck Male 18-29
    1745 posts
    March 15, 2014 at 9:28 pm
    Draculya how is that even enjoyable? Sure you`re going through the motions but is that really the full experience? That is appealing to me as having my stomach injected with food mush when I want to have a meal. That would only make sense if I was paralyzed and couldn`t feed myself. Is it really that bad in the willing woman department for you?
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    paperduck Male 18-29
    1745 posts
    March 15, 2014 at 9:45 pm
    I dunno maybe I`m not being fair here but I thought all guys would have at least a handful of women willing to partner up with them. Judging by the couples I know with questionable male appeal, that seems to be the case. But I could be wrong, without much effort I`ve had a steady stream of willing partners so maybe I`m biased.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
    10339 posts
    March 15, 2014 at 10:44 pm
    Hey LordJim:

    I`m talking about the adults, of course.

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    madduck Female 50-59
    7421 posts
    March 16, 2014 at 1:00 am
    I suspect the scale effect can be dealt with, I am not entirely sure how but there will be a way. Get the industry legalised, get a protective framework for the workers with safe conditions- ask THEM, they are the experts here. as with virtually everything- prohibition simply makes things worse- I have a suspicion that by making something legal in one small place you get the tourism effect in play- widen the field and that goes..
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    Mr_Pedo_Bear Male 70 & Over
    997 posts
    March 16, 2014 at 3:14 am
    @Madduck you can`t stop it. Tobacco is legal doesn`t stop there being tons of smuggled tobacco of lower quality. For every market a sub market grows. It`s not just tourism that increases the scale. By legalising it, you remove some pretty major costs(STI chance, prison, etc). So the gains to cost ratio is bigger, more native people go. Check out the work of charities in Amsterdam and Germany to down with the harm its causing and then contrast it with what happened in Sweden. Countries that took two different directions around the same time. The Dutch Gov. doesn`t want to do much because it`s 5% of GDP.

    I fully accept a women wants to sell her body her choice. And that regulating it does decrease it as a proportion. But the market just gets soo big more women are trafficked to meet demand. Evidence is there.
    Your answer? More regulation=more cost=more black market cheaper unregulated prostitution.

    Legalising it helps the bell de jour prostitute at expense of the t
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    Mr_Pedo_Bear Male 70 & Over
    997 posts
    March 16, 2014 at 3:22 am
    @Madduck Check this out prostitution of teens in Britian The police and social services know what is going on. But are largely unable to do anything about it. Even though pimping and everything else except being a prostitute is illegal. Now make it so it`s all legal and the police and social services will have in even less ability to do something. At least now if they are able to catch it happening they can intervene, where as they won`t be able to once it`s legalised they`ll need someone giving evidence which the girls feel trapped or scared and won`t do it.

    And I repeat the online escorts and middle class women doing it. Like your friends. Are not by and large being harassed by the police or being arrested. Yet they will benefit out of it.
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    madduck Female 50-59
    7421 posts
    March 16, 2014 at 10:44 am
    I don`t claim to know the answers, although I wish I did, BUT- some problems may not actually be sortable. Others I am quite sure will be.. but quite often (although not always) we have to detach ourselves from any distaste we have and be extremely objective. Some things- prostitution, drugs, sexual violence to name a few, are so tied in with moral arguments that don`t logically work that they get very messy. Some of this may be religious throwback, other reasons no doubt apply too, but whatever- we need to look at the desired aim- safety and choice for women, and see how we can go about achieving it. In this case it is not easy- but I reckon we can go a very long way. but we need to ask those who do the work what they think- it is, after all, their job.
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    Mr_Pedo_Bear Male 70 & Over
    997 posts
    March 16, 2014 at 1:04 pm
    @Madduck hence why I suggested you look at the charities working in the Netherlands and Germany. I see nothing wrong with it. And until I studied it and researched it agreed with you. It is not a moral issue that prostitution is wrong, that`s the wrong argument. It`s a least harm issue.

    But two points. Would you say IPA and Guinees type Stouts are the same? they`re both alcoholic beverages but very very different, one can`t properly replace the other. regulating ingredients for one would not work for the other. Same with middle class prostitution and lower class prostitution. Second, would you accept that point from investment bankers? They`re the experts and we should do what they say?

    Why im saying the law is pretty good (in the uk at least) we just need better enforcement against pimps, brothels etc But it`s easier said then done without the people being harmed giving evidence.

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