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Date: 03/04/14 12:50 PM

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    SweepOfDeath Male 18-29
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    March 4, 2014 at 11:31 am
    Link: The Difference A Month Can Make In Russia - Tanks for visiting the motherland.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    March 4, 2014 at 3:55 pm
    Russia lost all of it`s Sochi olympic goodwill within a week. Way to go there Vlad, you`ve proven, yet again, you`re the complete horse`s ass we all knew you really were.
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    Mr_Pedo_Bear Male 70 & Over
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    March 4, 2014 at 5:34 pm
    Every time i hear people say you can`t invade a Sovereign nation etc. You just think Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan. Russia has stabilised the situation in Crimea, there had been infighting between nationalists attacking Russians. Crimea was given as a gift by Kruschev to Ukraine. Without actually asking anyone there. What is Russia organising? A referendum to be an autonomous region. Why? Because the EU and the US had pushed for Regime change again. What did the new Kiev government do straight away. The repealed a Law which made Russian one of the national languages of Ukraine despite it being a native language for nearly half the country. Who has been killed? No one? Has their been mis reporting, by press?Yes there was no 3am ultimatum for instance.

    Are sanctions going to affect Russia? No, Europe hasn`t got power Germany won`t find 40% of it`s oil and gas elsewhere. Russia has 10% Debt level. Almost no trade with the US
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    Mr_Pedo_Bear Male 70 & Over
    997 posts
    March 4, 2014 at 5:41 pm
    What does Ukraine need? Well lot`s of assistance of money. They need 40 billion Euros. Russia was going to give them that money untilt he EU got involved. Is the EU going to be able to give them that money. NO. Is the US going to give them that money. NO, Kerry`s package is going to be 1 Billion.

    Russia was right on Libya. It`s been right on Syria and the opposition has long been proven just as bad as Assad. But calling for calm and not to put more gasoline on the fire by shipping in even more guns and ammunition.

    Yes Russia is not perfect in it`s own country(pretty terrible on a lot of rights fronts) But don`t we all wish we had as stable foreign policy? Russia stopped the country descending into a civil war and called for the UN security council meeting, calling to discuss and have elections. The Kiev government has no legitimacy, has Facists ,Oleh Tyahnybok, and had already passed a law attacking Russian speakers. See if they leave after elections then complain
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    stell Female 40-49
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    March 4, 2014 at 10:38 pm
    @ Pedo Bear. Excusing Russia`s invasion of Ukraine by pointing out that the West has done so in other countries does not make it right. You claim that there has been infighting in Crimea? Absolutely untrue, no one is attacking Russian speakers in Ukraine. The claim that Russia invaded Ukraine to protect Russian speakers is ridiculous and exactly the same excuse Hitler used to invade Poland and Czechoslovakia, supposedly to protect Silesian Germans from the general population. You also state that Russia does not mean harm, they`re just organizing a referendum. Right, in a sovereign nation. Do you even hear how ridiculous this sounds? They went into a sovereign nation to "organize a referendum" to get them to secede. And we all know how totally above scrutiny Russian referendums and elections are, after all Putin was elected unanimously several times.
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    stell Female 40-49
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    March 4, 2014 at 10:49 pm
    @ Pedo Bear The fact is that Crimea is not really Russian either, it was inhabited mostly by Crimean Muslim Tatars whom the Russians ethnically cleansed after the war, and exiled to Asia. That`s why there is 58% Russians now in Crimea, because they were settled there by the Russian government after Tatars were driven out. After the Ukrainian independence, the Tatars returned, because contrary to what you`re trying to imply in your other statements, Ukrainians are tolerant of the Tatar minority. The Tatars are very pro-Ukrainian and would oppose any type of Russian influence in Crimea.
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    stell Female 40-49
    65 posts
    March 4, 2014 at 11:13 pm
    As to the Russian language issue, first, Russian native speakers are just 20% of the general population, not half as you state. However almost 70 years of Soviet rule and russification has practically wiped out the Ukrainian language and this law is aimed at protecting it from disappearing completely. In this case, Ukrainian language should be considered the same as any persecuted minority language and you would have to actually live there to understand how and why. EVERYONE speaks Russian in Ukraine including Ukrainians. Books are in Russian, including textbooks, popular foreign movies are dubbed in Russian, There are TV stations entirely in Russian, people speak Russian everywhere. Russian language is not going away in Ukraine and everyone knows it (including the Russians). It is just a propaganda aimed at the West who don`t understand the nuances of life there to claim that the language is being persecuted.
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    stell Female 40-49
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    March 4, 2014 at 11:24 pm
    @pedo bear - regarding your comment that the Kiev government has no legitimacy, could explain how? Their president was impeached by a democratically elected parliament according to their constitution and after he fled the country, the parliament appointed an interim leader also according to their constitution. So how is this illegitimate? Are you better at Ukrainian constitution then their own parliament?
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    stell Female 40-49
    65 posts
    March 4, 2014 at 11:47 pm
    @pedo bear, I also heard that some people were making fun of French Canadians living down in Florida... Geez, maybe we should invade to protect them and stabilize the situation so it does not disintegrate into a war... After that we will administer a referendum to ask if they want to secede. This will be actually a lot more legal than what Russia is doing because unlike the ethnic Russians in Ukraine, the French Canadians actually carry Canadian passports, so we will truly protect our own citizens, not just some 3rd generation wannabees..
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    piperfawn Male 30-39
    4886 posts
    March 5, 2014 at 1:56 am
    Mr_Pedo_Bear is right! ANd just try to think what USA will do if Mexico will have such disorders at the borders. I can clearly figure a massive military intervention by the USA at the borders,so..."Let him who is without sin cast the first stone". And lot of people in Crimea are asking for russian intervention.
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    elkingo Male 30-39
    5385 posts
    March 5, 2014 at 2:26 am
    The funny thing is liberals laughed like jackasses when Palin pointed out that Russia would be aggressive in the future.
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    Mr_Pedo_Bear Male 70 & Over
    997 posts
    March 5, 2014 at 4:14 am
    @stell Look at what Official Russian statements have been and compare them to their actions.

    They have called for a Referendum and a vote. They have called for USA EU etc to be involved. They want more representation for Eastern Regions in the "Interim Government"


    They are not asking for independence it`s for the Crimea to be a more autonomous region, like HK, Scotland etc.

    Crimean Tatars stormed the regional parliament in Simferopol on February 26. There was violence and clashes between Tartars and Russians







    You over simplify the language issue. And th
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    Mr_Pedo_Bear Male 70 & Over
    997 posts
    March 5, 2014 at 4:20 am
    You over simplify the language issue. But Russian forces have gone in and stopped an escalation in the East. Between people who do not think the government represents them were starting to backlash at the newly instilled government. As I said one of the first laws was to remove Russian as a National language. You could argue amongst UN rights that`s part of a cultural genocide.

    The Crimeans have called for more autonomy for awhile. There elected president was removed as it wanted more separatism. Thsi is tantamount to Westminster removing the Scottish Prime Minister because he called for a independance referendum.

    Listen to what Putin is saying. Hurry up and host the elections with western monitoring as well as East. And respect the result. Then is Russia is staying around accusations can be thrown.

    We accept infringements of sovereignty of many nations to protect people. Russia as far as we know have done this with less bloodshed in this instance?
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    Mr_Pedo_Bear Male 70 & Over
    997 posts
    March 5, 2014 at 4:30 am
    viktor yanukovych Under EU pressure signed a deal to transfer powers to parliament and hold early elections. But within hours he had fled the capital for his own safety from the protesters. A contract under Duress is not legitimate. The other half of the agreement has not happend, there has not been any elections.

    Ukraine has tons of issues to deal with at the moment. Organising an election, sorting out it`s economy and finding someone aroundt he world to give it 40 billion. Yet the Interim Government legislated to remove Russian as a national language. Does that not tell you something about intent?

    The agreement was under pressure, would not stand up in court and the other clause of it has been ignored by the west. Have elections and the new government is legitimate and can legislate however it feels.

    That`s how democracy is meant to work
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    BuckeyeJoe Male 40-49
    123 posts
    March 5, 2014 at 10:13 am
    @elkingo

    Yeah, we laughed because it is about as astute a claim as predicting the sun will rise in the morning. She had so many sharp observations, that Palin.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
    14273 posts
    March 5, 2014 at 12:03 pm
    Mr_Pedo_Bear is right! ANd just try to think what USA will do if Mexico will have such disorders at the borders. I can clearly figure a massive military intervention by the USA at the borders,so..."Let him who is without sin cast the first stone". And lot of people in Crimea are asking for russian intervention.

    And of course Cpt. greaseball makes this into finger pointing at the US yet again. Here`s the thing the Mexican mafia is a serious problem over there and in the US yet we haven`t rolled tanks over there yet. If we did you`d be the first to bitch about it I`m sure. Yet when Russia does it you it`s "A lot of people over there want Russia to intervene" friggen hypocrite.
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    elkingo Male 30-39
    5385 posts
    March 5, 2014 at 3:05 pm
    BuckeyeJoe - Predicting that Russia would invade the Ukraine due to lack of democrat leadership was common knowledge in 2008?

    Imagine that. It is laughable now I suppose.. I don`t see what was so funny about it then though.
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    stell Female 40-49
    65 posts
    March 5, 2014 at 4:50 pm
    I oversimplify the language issue? This is the best you can come up with because you have absolutely no arguments . How dare you call the fact that Russian language is no longer an official language in Ukraine, a cultural genocide??? Do you actually know what that entails? There is an entire country of 100 million up north that speak Russian, so how could this be a genocide. What cultural genocide is what Russians have doing to Ukrainian language and still continue do so. In the 70`s and 80`s people were actually not allowed to use Ukrainian language, they were called subversive and expelled from positions. The language took a beating so much so that now in Ukraine the entire nations speaks Russian. Everyone speaks Russian there and no one bothers Russian speakers. For example, any newsstand in Ukraine has 90% Russian papers and magazines. Vogue arrived in Ukraine few years ago as did Marie-Claire magazine for women and guess what? Both Vogue-Ukraina and Marie-Claire are in Russian!
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    stell Female 40-49
    65 posts
    March 5, 2014 at 4:51 pm
    @pedo-bear The market is flooded with popular movies dubbed only in Russian, books and textbooks only in Russian, TV programs, etc It doesn’t matter that Russians are minority in numbers, what’s going on with Ukrainian language over there is actually a cultural genocide, a situation where there is no parallel, no precedent anywhere else in the world. Ask anyone who spent some time over there and they will tell you that no one persecutes Russian speakers and they know it. Russia is chuckling how they fooled the West into thinking their minority language rights are being stumped on. Russian is not going away, but they need to make Ukrainian the official language to preserve it, even if it’s just for a while. It doesn’t mean that Russian won’t be used. It will continued to be used most of the time.
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    stell Female 40-49
    65 posts
    March 5, 2014 at 5:00 pm
    @pedo-bear Your comments on Victor Yanukowych are the most ridiculous yet. Do you know that he changed the constitution illegally and transferred the powers to himself from the parliament? This way, he had absolutely no opposition. This person is who you call a democrat? This is not what people voted for. One of the main points of the protests was for him to return the constitution to the original of 2004. It is perfectly legal for a parliament to impeach a president who was shown to abuse his power and the office of the presidency, be it over there or here in the West. His hightailing out of Kiev notwithstanding, I think most of reasonable people would agree that a corrupt president shown to steal billions form his own state and one who orders sniper fire on his own unarmed population sort of lost his "I have been democratically elected" argument
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    stell Female 40-49
    65 posts
    March 5, 2014 at 5:05 pm
    @pedo-bear "look at what Official Russian statements have been and compare them to their actions. They have called for a Referendum and a vote. They have called for USA EU etc to be involved. They want more representation for Eastern Regions in the "Interim Government"

    LMAO - it is not for Russia to march into a sovereign nation, declare their government illagal and demand a vote. I have no words
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    stell Female 40-49
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    March 5, 2014 at 10:16 pm
    One more thing:


    Russian language is not going away in Ukraine (nor Russia) and does not need protection, but Ukrainian language definitely is
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    stell Female 40-49
    65 posts
    March 6, 2014 at 5:56 am
    And most of you don`t know that Ukrainian language was the only official language of Ukraine for years and years ( until Yanukowych passed RU as official about 2 yrs ago) Having Ukrainian Language as official did a lot of good in Ukraine as you can see - 6 Ukrainian publications vs 252 Russian. The west does not understand and will never grasp the fact that it is Ukrainian language that is dying and needs special protection.
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    BuckeyeJoe Male 40-49
    123 posts
    March 6, 2014 at 8:23 am
    @elkingo

    You are misinformed. Palin claimed Russia would invade the Ukraine AS A RESULT of Obama`s ascendancy to president. We laughed because a) Russia`s improvement on the global stage resulting from Putin`s efforts would obviously result in future Russian aggression in some fashion (learn your history, dude), and b) it is asinine to believe Obama would cause it -- which he didn`t, obviously -- which means Palin did NOT predict the REASON, and only managed to make an obvious statement which probably everyone knew already, and which she probably heard from someone else in the first place.

    We continue to laugh, by the way, because she is a joke, and no one takes her seriously. Nor should they.
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    BuckeyeJoe Male 40-49
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    March 12, 2014 at 3:10 pm
    @elkingo

    You are misinformed. Palin claimed Russia would invade the Ukraine AS A RESULT of Obama`s ascendancy to president. We laughed because a) Russia`s improvement on the global stage resulting from Putin`s efforts would obviously result in future Russian aggression in some fashion (learn your history, dude), and b) it is asinine to believe Obama would cause it -- which he didn`t, obviously -- which means Palin did NOT predict the REASON, and only managed to make an obvious statement which probably everyone knew already, and which she probably heard from someone else in the first place.

    We continue to laugh, by the way, because she is a joke, and no one takes her seriously. Nor should they.

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