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    SweepOfDeath Male 18-29
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    March 9, 2014 at 6:53 am
    Link: Average SAT Scores Based On Family Income - Can someone tell me what this means? I can`t read it, I`m poor....
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    patchouly Male 40-49
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    March 9, 2014 at 7:08 am
    When you spend your time worrying about where your next meal is going to come from or if you are going to be able pay your rent, there is a lot less time for studying.
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    Grendel Male 40-49
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    March 9, 2014 at 7:24 am
    @patchouly

    That `might` explain the extreme lower incomes.

    Another theory is that in your higher incomes, college is considered more of a necessity, so more time and money are spent on studying.

    While in the middle incomes some may, or may not, take the idea of college more seriously.

    Not everyone wants to go to college. nor does everyone need to. A son of a mechanic is more likely to want to do the same type of work.

    Some middle-class strive to be pipe-fitters, so a SAT is not as important.

    This graph in no way reflects the relative intelligence of each group, just how well (and how serious) they test.
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    mykunter Male 40-49
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    March 9, 2014 at 8:11 am
    @MeGrendal

    I`m a mechanic... I have a college degree.

    Anyway, people who score better in academics make more money? Shocking!

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    Draculya Male 40-49
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    March 9, 2014 at 8:19 am
    So there`s a reason why people are poor?
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    paperduck Male 18-29
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    March 9, 2014 at 8:49 am
    I wonder what the explanation is for the slope change at the 180-200k level. It seems significant, but I can`t think of what they might afford that a 160-180k family cannot.
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    Viking864 Male 40-49
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    March 9, 2014 at 9:02 am
    Genetics could also come into play, people with more intelligence and drive will naturally rise to the top of the food chain. Their offspring would have that genetic profile as well for the most part.
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    Andrew155 Male 18-29
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    March 9, 2014 at 9:48 am
    patchouly actually thinks poor Americans are hungry.

    Have you seen poor Americans lately? They`re pretty gigantic.
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    robthelurker Male 18-29
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    March 9, 2014 at 10:10 am
    im pretty sure this has something to do with black people.
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    chalket Male 50-59
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    March 9, 2014 at 10:36 am
    @Andrew155

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    fancythat Male 30-39
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    March 9, 2014 at 10:46 am
    "Leveling the playing field" to a community means raising all the standards to the highest possible point, but to a politician, it means pulling the plug on all schools.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    March 9, 2014 at 11:55 am

    "When you spend your time worrying about where your next meal is going to come from or if you are going to be able pay your rent, there is a lot less time for studying."
    They`re poor not homeless. Most "poor" in the USA don`t worry about food. More likely the community the poor grow up in does not value or stress education the way other higher earning communities do.
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    patchouly Male 40-49
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    March 9, 2014 at 11:59 am
    @MeGrendel,

    That`s certainly possible. Although I can say that most people I know, who didn`t go to college, wanted to go but just couldn`t afford it. Maybe knowing that it`s not fiscally possible causes people to not bother studying etc.?
    That`s how it was with me. I had good grades but when it came time to go to University, I couldn`t afford it. I applied for a loan but my Father made too much. He was just over the edge where he was expected to pay for most of it and having 4 kids, just couldn`t afford it.

    Lots of programs to help the poor, lots of tax breaks to help the rich. Often times, it`s the middle class that suffers.
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    Gypsybard Male 40-49
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    March 9, 2014 at 12:32 pm
    It is an undisputed fact that "public education," the school system that is supposed to be quality controlled to be equally good, (not just equal or factored to the lowest common denominator), is in fact not comparable at all between wealthy and poor areas.

    Until economically challenged geographical areas are provided the same quality of education that the affluent communities receive, this will continue to be the case.

    This has been proven time and again, and there is no argument against it. This fact alone makes me believe that the division of wealth/education/advancement/opportunity is a well planned agenda made by people who we allow to run our lives.
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    paperduck Male 18-29
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    March 9, 2014 at 12:40 pm
    Patchouly are you talking about loans or grants? I didn`t know student can be denied loans because of parent income level.
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    turbotong Male 18-29
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    March 9, 2014 at 3:32 pm
    This correlation exists because parents without educations tend to 1) have lower incomes and 2) not stress to their children the importance of studying for the SAT or go to college.
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    Shelworth Male 50-59
    385 posts
    March 9, 2014 at 4:15 pm
    Intelligence is genetic, and smart people tend to make more money. It`s not rocket science people.
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    Gypsybard Male 40-49
    97 posts
    March 9, 2014 at 5:13 pm
    Shelworth, I do not know who these "rocket science people" you are referring to are, but it is obvious that you are attempting a troll.

    turbotong, where what you said is basically correct, you cannot deny the correlation between median income and educational opportunity. It may be a vicious cycle, but it is one that has been propagated by those who are in a position to either change it or let it remain. It has been left to remain for so long, that the only explanation is that it is done purposefully.
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    Grendel Male 40-49
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    March 9, 2014 at 8:42 pm
    patchouly-I applied for a loan but my Father made too much.
    That happens to a lot of people. Happened to me, also.

    I worked crappy jobs for four years after high school to be in a better position to afford college.
    I worked crappy jobs while I was in college in order to afford going to college.
    I worked at getting into the college`s leadership society & college bowl team in order to help afford going to college, as it came with a small scholarship.

    It wasn`t easy. It mean working long hours, not having a social life, not going to the beach, dribing a POS, putting in additional time at school and very little sleep. But I considered it worth it.

    It`s hard, but it can be done.
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    March 9, 2014 at 8:51 pm
    There are two reasons for this:

    1. Smart people tend to make more money.

    2. Smart people tend to have smarter kids, because intelligence is a heritable trait.

    If you needed to have this explained to you, it`s probably because you`re somewhere toward the left side of the graph.
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    Gypsybard Male 40-49
    97 posts
    March 9, 2014 at 10:09 pm
    OldOllie: To say that intelligence is hereditary, and therefore smart people have smart kids and they earn more money is, at best, a ridiculous argument and probably an attempt at trolling, as it is insulting and inane.
    Many factors have been cited when it comes to intellect. Good nutrition, for example, which is available in greater quantities to the more well-off, has been found to profoundly effect test scores. So, providing the same nutritional elements to the lower classes would make them smarter, and then they would earn more money and have smarter kids, right?
    This is an issue containing many parameters, all of which have validity. Heredity is one, I grant you that, but it is not the only, nor the most important.
    Fiscal dynamics, class structure/limitations and the quality of education all play far more important parts.
    However, something tells me you knew this before even submitting a comment.
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    Andrew155 Male 18-29
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    March 9, 2014 at 10:33 pm
    Chalket, you can bring up weird pictures all you want, that doesn`t change the actual numbers. But also, why is the black guy labeled "myth"? Is it because he`s black that he must be poor? He`s not overweight, which is my main assertion. So I don`t know what the big deal is.

    Fact is - poor people are fatter. That`s the only assertion I`m making. It`s a factual one. Hell, Mexico is fatter than us. So, there you go.
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    turdburglar Male 30-39
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    March 10, 2014 at 12:28 am

    Jesus oldollie. Way to go. You have oversimplified the situation. Intelligence isn`t genetic.
    (remember that there are poor WHITE people too.)
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    Gypsybard Male 40-49
    97 posts
    March 10, 2014 at 12:32 am
    Poor people are fatter because the "food" they can afford, (fast food, junk food, etc.) is not recognized by the body as actual food!

    Hell, the body thinks high-fructose corn syrup is a plastic based poison, and it`s in everything, unless you can afford to buy the stuff without it, which is expensive!

    Economically disadvantaged people are more overweight because the body does not know what to do with what they eat. Though it is all they can afford, it is absolutely not food. This is a tragedy, and selling this stuff for consumption should be a crime.

    Again, the fact that corporations are allowed to legally sell biologically proven inedible items as food to the poor shows that this is done on purpose and with an agenda.
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    Draculya Male 40-49
    14628 posts
    March 10, 2014 at 1:19 am
    low achievement -> poverty -> low achievement

    It`s part of the reason for the poverty cycle.

    What you don`t see from a chart of averages is the spread. There are a lot of rich people who fail to take leverage their advantages and poor people who rise above their station.

    Society has a responsibility to enable the poor to elevate themselves, but that responsibility is limited because freedom dictates that the poor get to make their own life choices.

    However, if your society has a widening wealth gap among residents (excluding new immigrants) then one or both of these two processes is broken.

    The government (and therefore the rich and middle classes) needs to do more for the poor and the poor must do more for themselves and the nation.
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    Gypsybard Male 40-49
    97 posts
    March 10, 2014 at 1:22 am
    Brilliantly stated, Draculya!
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    Tatung42 Male 30-39
    46 posts
    March 10, 2014 at 2:04 am
    There was a story recently where before DNA testing, a baby born to rich parents was accidentally switched with a baby born to poor parents.

    Fast forward to today, and the baby born to poor parents but raised by rich parent ended up going to college and then running his own real-estate business. The other child ended up living off welfare.
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    Grendel Male 40-49
    6174 posts
    March 10, 2014 at 7:04 am
    turdburglar-Intelligence isn`t genetic. (remember that there are poor WHITE people too.)
    FYI, `genetics` does not automatically equate with `race`.

    Gypsybard-the "food" they can afford, (fast food, junk food, etc.)
    Fast food and junk food are not cheaper than nutritious food....just easier. I`ve seen way too many `poor` people using their EBT cards (you know, `free` food) for crap with little to know nutritional value. I`ve also seen them buying package after package of ground beef because `EBT don`t pay for dog food`.

    @Tatung 42. It`s the old `nature vs. nurture` argument. It`s actually a combination of both.
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    papajon0s1 Male 40-49
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    March 10, 2014 at 10:18 am
    If anything, this is an argument against redistribution of wealth in the name of equality. In the real world we are all NOT equal, not by a long shot. However, here in America I contend our Constitution gives us all equal opportunity. I guarantee you a whole lot more people would be out of work and much more poor if we didn`t have those that can and are willing to do great things and build big companies. If you want to sit behind your excuses like "I don`t have any money` or "I`m the wrong skin color" or whatever, then you`ll simply remain at the station you are. Those that get it move past that. My folks made too much for me to get any grants so I worked two jobs and went to school at the same time. If you want to move ahead stop voting for the lefties that constantly bar you from where you want to go. Take a good look before you flame me, it`s not conservatives that are holding you back. Not at all.

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