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  1. Profile photo of Mazztek
    Mazztek Male 40-49
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    February 10, 2014 at 1:52 pm
    Link: Merciful God? - Being omnipresent must piss you off after a while.
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    Agent00Smith Male 18-29
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    February 10, 2014 at 2:35 pm
    This is about killing the genetically modified giants (nephilim) of the time. If they weren`t killed we wouldn`t be here today.
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    BoredFrank Male 40-49
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    February 10, 2014 at 2:46 pm
    Bullpoo.
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    xCANDACEx Female 30-39
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    February 10, 2014 at 2:52 pm
    Gods a jerk!
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    LordJim Male 60-69
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    February 10, 2014 at 2:53 pm
    Yeah, but he kinda mellowed after he had the kid. Except for the hell part. Before that he would just smite and generally be a homicidal homophobic, misogynistic, racist maniac but once you were dead you could rot in the ground.

    It was gentle Jesus and the NT which obsessed with eternal life (reward/punishment). So OT for war crimes NT for thought crime.
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    SmagBoy1 Male 40-49
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    February 10, 2014 at 3:06 pm
    Yeah, plenty of examples of God condoning wholesale slaughter. But, whether this is photoshopped or not, I like it. I hate driving down the FL turnpike and seeing these signs with supposed (not from the Bible) quotes from God. I like that this one actually *is* from God, or, you know, *His* book. Good to see his ACTUAL words up there.
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    wtmac Male 30-39
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    February 10, 2014 at 3:08 pm
    Lol... and they say atheists have no moral compass.
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    tsiemens Male 30-39
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    February 10, 2014 at 3:50 pm
    missing the context, those with the mark were spared, the mark was put upon god`s followers, so those who were slain were somehow offending god`s law. Hey everyone`s ok with our politicians fighting for our freedoms by killing people in foreign countries, its the same principle/
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    Steelgrid Male 30-39
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    February 10, 2014 at 4:00 pm
    Yeah you just keep on worshiping the ghost that violates his own 7 deadly sins with his "plan". Hes about as omnipresent as a deadbeat dad, and still owes thousands of years worth of child support.
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    Steelgrid Male 30-39
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    February 10, 2014 at 4:01 pm
    "missing the context, those with the mark were spared, the mark was put upon god`s followers, so those who were slain were somehow offending god`s law."

    Hey I know a MAN that did the same thing to the Jews 70 years ago. Though those with a "mark" (ie:SoD) were killed instead of those without.
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    bophus Male 30-39
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    February 10, 2014 at 4:09 pm
    @tsiemens Not the same principle at all. Those who follow the bible dont get to vote god out. Politicians dont get to say "Hey, look at that protester. Kill him."

    That was said to fight for any freedoms. It was exactly the opposite. Those that didnt want to follow god, were killed and not allowed to follow their own freedoms.

    you example is completely wrong.
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    747Pilot Male 18-29
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    February 10, 2014 at 4:21 pm
    well, its obviously taken out of context. This is actually a verse from Ezekiels vision from God, in which he was letting the prophet know of how idolatry had grown in Jerusalem. This is how God viewed their idoltary, keep in mind they were once declared God`s chosen. God said he was going to raise up the enemies against them, and this verse you see in the OP is how they would mete out His justice.

    I`m inclined to think that someone paid good money to put this up and possibly try to use it as a way to discredit God, cherry picking. However, on the other hand it will cause people to study the scripture a bit, thereby learning of our creator. And that`s a good thing!
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    747Pilot Male 18-29
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    February 10, 2014 at 4:25 pm
    bophus: these weren`t protesters. These were people with positions in the highest power, authority over thousands, and they were leading them astray with idoltary.

    Sort of like how our leaders are leading people astray with the love for money today, rather than sound teachings.
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    JadesDitoyr Male 18-29
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    February 10, 2014 at 4:27 pm
    Ezekiel Chapter 9 is a vision that God gave to Ezekiel while he was exiled within Babylon of what was happening to Jerusalem. Those that groaned (this is an important word, talking about how the Earth and the Faithful`s body groans in eagerness for the Lord`s return) would be given the mark and spared.

    The rest would be killed, and it was happening at God`s command. It was not the Jews doing the killing, rather they were the ones being purged - starting at the Temple where the Priests and Holy men who had turned their backs on God were.

    This vision allowed Ezekiel to inform the Jews in exile with him of their nation`s fate - and let them know why it was happening. The people of Judea had turned their back on their God.

    Ultimately, this leads up to the destruction of the Temple, its reconstruction by Zerubbabel, and the coming of the Messiah.
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    slut_etta Female 50-59
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    February 10, 2014 at 5:07 pm
    no god. no argument.
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    ArgusTuft Male 50-59
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    February 10, 2014 at 5:07 pm
    @tsiemens. Yep. Kinda what the Israelis are doing to any non israeli right now in the name of god. This species is really embarrassing sometimes.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    February 10, 2014 at 5:07 pm
    That is how God views hypocrites and idolators. The prophet Ezekiel warned them and the Jews didn`t listen, thus was their fate.

    It`s a warning to all Christians not to act "high and mighty".
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    h2oxy Male 18-29
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    February 10, 2014 at 5:32 pm
    @CrakJak Yup, prime example of a class 5 dick head.
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    JadesDitoyr Male 18-29
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    February 10, 2014 at 5:44 pm
    @CrakrJak

    Not entirely accurate, in that Ezekiel was not around in time to warn them of the fate that was already in motion. This prophesy comes to let him know what is going on in his "right now, in other parts of the world" so that the other children of Israel would know what was becoming of their nation.

    Later in the writings of Ezekiel, God has him bring a message of redemption to His people, when he brings them back and has the Temple rebuilt.

    The Covenant with Israel was never broken, and Christianity has not taken Israel`s place within it. We have been added to the Covenant.

    If you want a warning against Christians being "High and Mighty" we just need to look to the Sermon on the Mount and to the Book of James.
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    Draculya Male 40-49
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    February 10, 2014 at 7:02 pm
    We need more posters like this to remind Christians that they already pick and choose what parts of the bible they choose to read and follow.
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    mrtomz Male 40-49
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    February 10, 2014 at 7:07 pm
    @747 pilot. Interesting choice of words there... Cherry-picking. kinda like what Fox News does every single day?
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    JadesDitoyr Male 18-29
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    February 10, 2014 at 7:11 pm
    @mrtomz

    All the networks do it, ABC, CBS, CNN, NBC, they`re all just as bad - the difference is that they lean to the opposite side. I`m not saying we shouldn`t expect better - by all means, listen to USA Radio News instead - but we cannot just single Fox out.
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    JadesDitoyr Male 18-29
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    February 10, 2014 at 7:12 pm
    @Dracyla

    Um, yeah... have you not read what this verse is? What it means? We`ve said it a few times - this isn`t a cherry-picking moment.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    February 10, 2014 at 7:18 pm
    Crakr

    "It`s a warning to all Christians not to act "high and mighty"."

    AND LITTLE CHILDREN.

    Don`t you f.ucking hate it when a 5 year old is acting all high and mighty? They should totally DIE.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    February 10, 2014 at 8:16 pm

    Merciful God? Try 2 Kings 2:24.
    Elisha is mocked by teenagers. They tease him about his bald head. So Merciful God sends 2 she bears that tear the teenagers apart.

    Yeah Merciful God! Bet they don`t try that again!
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    patchouly Male 40-49
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    February 10, 2014 at 8:18 pm
    Amazing how anyone can follow a 2000 year old religion built on the shakiest house of cards anyone has ever seen.

    Just goes to show you how total perfect the brain washing is.
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    BostonKaiser Male 40-49
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    February 10, 2014 at 9:31 pm
    They don`t call it "indoctrination" for nothing.

    From dictionary.com:
    indoctrinate - to teach (a person or group of people) systematically to accept doctrines, esp uncritically

    The last two words are what caused that shiver to go down your spine.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    February 10, 2014 at 9:56 pm
    HolyGod: I`ve seen people raising complete brats that are just as snotty and bigoted as they are.

    Btw, that snippet was Jewish history, the first covenant. It`s not what Christians think they are commanded to do. Jesus gave us these commands, Love God with all our hearts and treat our neighbors the way we want to be treated.

    Taking bible quotes out of context is not only dishonest, they are lies.

    Using a moniker like "HolyGod", when you`re an atheist, is not only dishonest, it makes you a troll.
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    Mikeoxsbiggg Male 30-39
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    February 10, 2014 at 10:17 pm
    Religion is just a fancy cult with more members.
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    Squrlz4Sale Male 40-49
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    February 10, 2014 at 10:25 pm
    @ h2oxy: Brickbats that come out of nowhere are gratuitous and bad form.
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    Draculya Male 40-49
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    February 10, 2014 at 11:26 pm
    Ezekiel 9 is kind of like God`s Final Solution. Or was that Genesis 7? Actually, going by his actions, God seems pretty determined that those people should perish.
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    Sleepyhallow Male 50-59
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    February 11, 2014 at 2:13 am
    @CrakrJak ~ Then maybe you ought to start telling the rest of the book thumpers to quit quoting from the old testament.

    I`ve always wondered why those idiots never thought Jesus dying on the Cross was enough for them.
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    HQampersand Male 18-29
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    February 11, 2014 at 2:43 am
    I would have to wholesomely agree~ Kill `em all and let God sort them out.
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    747Pilot Male 18-29
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    February 11, 2014 at 3:19 am
    I sometimes wonder why people get so upset at faith/religion. I mean, i get that some people don`t understand it, but going on like they understand everything about it, without grasping basic concepts, does them no credit. Besides, if something helps someone to become a better person, what`s the issue?
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    Musuko42 Male 18-29
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    February 11, 2014 at 3:51 am
    @747Pilot

    "I sometimes wonder why people get so upset at faith/religion."

    Really? REALLY? You don`t get why some people might be a wee bit annoyed by the way that religion acts and has acted? REALLY?

    REAAAAALLY?!?!
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    Wendypants Female 30-39
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    February 11, 2014 at 4:37 am
    @Musuko42, ditto!
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    JadesDitoyr Male 18-29
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    February 11, 2014 at 5:24 am
    There is an important aspect of Ezekiel 9 that people are overlooking, the salvation of the elect. Those who remained faithful are marked with the final letter of the Hebrew Alphabet (at the time, it looked like an "X"), and they are spared.

    The wage of Sin is Death, and that comes to everyone - old man or young child. But the faithful, the elect, the marked, they are spared from Death.

    Actually, I really do like this chapter. Whomever put that billboard up, thank you. You have reminded me that the vision of Christ can be seen, even in Israel`s darker hours.
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    normalfreak2 Male 18-29
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    February 11, 2014 at 5:33 am
    "Hey everyone`s ok with our politicians fighting for our freedoms by killing people in foreign countries, its the same principle"

    Who is this "everyone" you speak of. i don`t condone the way we handle foreign policy.
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    papajon0s1 Male 40-49
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    February 11, 2014 at 6:40 am
    Haters gonna hate. Sadly, all this really shows is either ignorance by the people that paid for this or outright hatred. Fine, go ahead and hate all you like. I`ll just go use may cultish, awful, brain-washing 2000 year old religion and volunteer to help raise money for people with mental disabilities and and organizations like the Special Olympics. But you keep hatin` us all you like.
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    CodeJockey Male 40-49
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    February 11, 2014 at 7:04 am
    "I sometimes wonder why people get so upset at faith/religion."
    "if something helps someone to become a better person, what`s the issue?"
    Pilot, it was never designed to make you a better person. That may be why you`re there and why your parents told you to be there but, it simply wasn`t.

    It was specifically designed to control a group of people in a survival situation. Along the way, making them feel comfortable about killing each other to conserve resources then, murder their neighboring groups` adults to kidnap, rape and impregnate their daughters to expand their numbers once they had better resources.

    Right now, you`re reacting, shaking your head, crafting a response similar to Jade`s. Read his response. He`s perfectly fine with reading that children deserve death rather than guidance.

    "40 years in the desert."
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    AvatarJohn Male 30-39
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    February 11, 2014 at 8:24 am
    @papajon0s1, they have to tear down religion so that those with disabilities and faith-based organizations can no longer count on good people like you and must rely on an all-powerful government (the "new God") to help them.
    You must be ridiculed along with your "imaginary friend" so that the "real" God of government can take His place.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    February 11, 2014 at 9:28 am
    PapaJohns & AvatarJohn

    "I`ll just go use may cultish, awful, brain-washing 2000 year old religion and volunteer to help raise money for people with mental disabilities"

    "they have to tear down religion so that those with disabilities and faith-based organizations can no longer count on good people like you"

    It is wonderful that you do things to help people. I wish more people did things to help people.

    You don`t need church and your imaginary friend to help people.

    I help people all the time without church or god having anything to do with it.

    Just think, without religion you and your friends could donate all that money that goes to your church, the utilities, the employees, and everything else and send it directly to the people that need the help. That would be more in line with Jesus`s teachings anyway.


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    Musuko42 Male 18-29
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    February 11, 2014 at 10:02 am
    @papajon0s1

    "I`ll just go use may cultish, awful, brain-washing 2000 year old religion and volunteer to help raise money for people with mental disabilities and and organizations like the Special Olympics."

    Why do you need your religion to be able to do those things?

    Surely being a decent, caring human being is what motivated you to do it?
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    Squrlz4Sale Male 40-49
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    February 11, 2014 at 10:25 am
    I`ll speak up in defense of religion--Christianity, specifically--mainly because some of the nicest human beings I`ve ever met on the planet have been Christian.

    I`ve gotten to know some families from the Philippines that face hardships that are unimaginable to most of us in the U.S. I`m talking zero social safety net and grinding poverty. In the face of those hardships, some families are able to remain close, good-natured, and optimistic and somehow pull through. Frankly, when I see the conditions that some of them overcome, it is nothing short of miraculous: first, that they survive; and, second, that the experience doesn`t make them bitter, empty husks of human beings.

    I certainly understand the historical role of organized religion in a lot of suffering. And I revere Richard Dawkins. But I think if more of you had a window into daily life in the Philippines you might be more appreciative of the good Christianity can do.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    February 11, 2014 at 10:35 am
    Oh look an I`m an atheist post.... You know you`ve become the jehovah`s witnesses of the internet?
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    1234 Male 30-39
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    February 11, 2014 at 11:58 am
    Oh look a McGovern1981 comment..... You know you`ve just used the name of another religion as a put down. How christian of you.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    February 11, 2014 at 12:31 pm
    @1234

    Atheist or Christian when you preach your believes at peoples doors or every five or so post here it`s obnoxious and you both act quite similar there. It`s rather ironic. I guess the truth of that statement is what put sand up your vagina.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    February 11, 2014 at 12:36 pm
    BTW Jehovah`s witnesses are a form of Christians so your statement is an exercise in stupidity.
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    chalket Male 50-59
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    February 11, 2014 at 12:51 pm
    As are all of yours, McG.
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    747Pilot Male 18-29
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    February 11, 2014 at 12:57 pm
    Musuko42: thinking that one bad apple means the whole orchard needs to be burned down is just silly.
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    747Pilot Male 18-29
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    February 11, 2014 at 12:58 pm
    CodeJockey: i`ve seen with my own eyes that people became better people. This wasn`t just an observation, they also mentioned that they were in a bad place before understanding faith.
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    1234 Male 30-39
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    February 11, 2014 at 1:11 pm
    McGovern1981 Okay. Let me get this straight.

    1) You say Jehovah`s witnesses are christian.

    2) You say Atheists have become the Jehovah`s witnesses of the internet.

    SO:
    3) Atheists act just like christians on the internet.

    By your own words.

    4) Next time save yourself some typing and just write "nanny nanny boo boo, I know you are but what am I?" If that is the best comeback you can come up with.
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    Stormith Female 18-29
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    February 11, 2014 at 1:45 pm
    Sounds like a Cannibal Corpse lyric
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    February 11, 2014 at 1:58 pm
    @1234

    You both preach to have the absolute answer to what can`t be answered. I guess that irony is to complex for you. BTW what`s your infatuation with Christian is it the only hatred you can get away with now? You do know it wasn`t Christians that wrote all of the Bible(s)?
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    1234 Male 30-39
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    February 11, 2014 at 3:30 pm
    McGovern1981 I have never stated that I hate christians or any religion for that matter. Does it make you feel better to pretend that I do?

    You were the one who put christians in a bad light by using their name as a put down. I merely pointed it out.

    You are the one back pedaling, not me.

    Why do you immediately assume I am atheist? What If I told you I am not. Then what? You would still be wrong for what you said.

    Logic.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    February 11, 2014 at 3:53 pm
    @1234

    Not really a put down jehovahs go door to door preaching their word atheists go post to post doing the same. Yet atheists complain about that sort of thing constantly. They`re both annoying.
  57. Profile photo of CodeJockey
    CodeJockey Male 40-49
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    February 11, 2014 at 7:02 pm
    "...i`ve seen with my own eyes that people became..."
    I`m sorry to Godwin on you but, recently, there was a pope who is known to have been...

    It creates people who smile often, greet their neighbor, donate to charity then, tear down some person publicly with names and slander for taking pleasure in giving pleasure, saying she deserves death and eternal suffering.

    This is the damage it has done to YOU, specifically.
    It`s "what did she said" not, "how she said it" and what she said was "I`m enjoying what I`m doing and it`s not harming you. I`m going to be honest and open about it."
    But, what did YOU do?
  58. Profile photo of JadesDitoyr
    JadesDitoyr Male 18-29
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    February 11, 2014 at 7:53 pm
    @CodeJockey

    You do not understand my words, it does greatly sadden me that anyone must die. I take joy in the fact that we were given a teacher that provided us with guidance and was not only willing to but did die on the cross for us so that we can be forgiven in our failures.

    Death is a natural part of the world, and with armies coming to slaughter the people of Judea God marked his elect so that they would not be killed. So that they would not suffer death. This is the exciting part.

    My God is not a just God, if He were just there would be no salvation. My God is merciful, and will save people from Death. This one verse just shows that Death is coming. If you read around it, you see the salvation.
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    Draculya Male 40-49
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    February 11, 2014 at 9:02 pm
    "Oh look an I`m an atheist post.... You know you`ve become the jehovah`s witnesses of the internet?"

    It`s a backlash. Atheists don`t feel comfortable speaking their mind in public because cannibal cultists are intolerant. On the internet you get closer to an unfiltered view of other people`s minds. And Atheist minds are screaming F___ YOU!
  60. Profile photo of Squrlz4Sale
    Squrlz4Sale Male 40-49
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    February 11, 2014 at 10:07 pm
    @ Draculya: I think you`ve hit the nail on the head.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    February 12, 2014 at 3:16 am
    McGovern: I, like many other Christians have gone door-to-door. Not for recruitment, but for canned goods and donations for the homeless and Special Olympics. Is that really so annoying? I guess for a dyed in the wool atheist it may be. As for the rest of us, it`s normal to expect such solicitations.
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    Musuko42 Male 18-29
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    February 12, 2014 at 4:23 am
    @747Pilot

    "Musuko42: thinking that one bad apple means the whole orchard needs to be burned down is just silly."

    I agree. That would be silly, and I don`t suggest that happen.

    But it`s even sillier to not even be aware that the bad apples even exist. Know of anyone so ridiculous?

    "I sometimes wonder why people get so upset at faith/religion." 747Pilot, 11/02/2014.
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    Wendypants Female 30-39
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    February 12, 2014 at 4:29 am
    LOL! once again Musuko42, well said :)
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    Musuko42 Male 18-29
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    February 12, 2014 at 4:32 am
    @CrakrJak

    "Not for recruitment, but for canned goods and donations for the homeless and Special Olympics. Is that really so annoying?"

    Yes. You`re spending your time nagging and guilting other people into helping.

    Instead, why not put your time into working a second job, or doing additional shifts at work, whatever it is you do, and then donate that money?

    Because when you go soliciting for other people`s donations, YOU are giving NOTHING. THEY are.


    It also smacks of hypocrisy, when you complain that the government wants to take money from people`s pockets to help the vulnerable, then you PERSONALLY go door to door with PRECISELY the same expectations. But it`s okay because, what, you`re polite about it and rely on social guilt rather than law to get your way? Doesn`t fly with me.
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    JadesDitoyr Male 18-29
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    February 12, 2014 at 5:49 am
    @Dracyla
    Heh, getting Roman with that insult are we? Cannibal cultists. Classic.

    @Musuko42
    Of course we can recognize that bad apples exist within the Church, and most churches work to try to help them become better. What 747 was talking about, from what I gather - correct me if I`m wrong, brother - is how when one of these bad apples shows up the culture outside of the church responds with "Fecking Christians" and condemns us on the actions of that bad apple.

    Your assumption that Crakr gives NOTHING is flawed as well, without asking him to elaborate we cannot know how much he donates. To decry him as hypocritical for collecting donations and detesting government welfare programs is foolish.

    He cannot take your house away if you say "No."
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    February 12, 2014 at 6:54 am
    It`s a backlash. Atheists don`t feel comfortable speaking their mind in public because cannibal cultists are intolerant. On the internet you get closer to an unfiltered view of other people`s minds. And Atheist minds are screaming F___ YOU!

    Oh please you bitch about everything under the sun. DA MONEYZ SAYZ GODZZZ!! OGMGZZZ! DA VOLUNTARY PLEDGE SAYZZ GODZZ OMGZZ!! You spend more time analyzing religion than most religious people just so you can bitch about things and assure yourself the believe in absolutely nothing is absolute. It`s a question that can`t be answered but many of you criticize those who don`t share your views as stupid. Fundie atheists have become much like what they bitch about and there`s plenty of them.
  67. Profile photo of Musuko42
    Musuko42 Male 18-29
    2850 posts
    February 12, 2014 at 8:23 am
    @JadesDitoyr

    "Your assumption that Crakr gives NOTHING is flawed as well"

    I haven`t assumed that. I`m sure he does donate as well.

    What I have said is that the act of him going door to door is NOT him contributing: it`s those he visits contributing. To me, him claiming any kind of credit for those contributions (and him wheeling it out as an example of his Christian virtue is just that) is disingenuous.

    "He cannot take your house away if you say "No."

    In both the goal is the same: take from one person to give to another. The only difference is the method. You can argue that Crakr`s method (unsolicited doorsteps visits) isn`t as bad or unfair as the government`s method (mandatory taxation), but that doesn`t provide justification for his method, any more than a stabbing lends justification to the lesser punch.
  68. Profile photo of Musuko42
    Musuko42 Male 18-29
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    February 12, 2014 at 8:28 am
    @JadesDitoyr

    Yes, of course, what CrakrJak is doing is a minor annoyance in the grand scheme of things. BUT can`t you see where someone may feel his approach isn`t as selfless as he might want to think? He gathers other people`s donations in a way that is near universally seen as irritating (find me a person that says they enjoy unsolicited panhandling at their door and I`ll find you twenty who say they dislike it), and even if he then passes those donations on completely without gaining any personal praise, we have JUST seen him mention his doing so here for the sole purpose of extolling his and his religion`s virtues.

    THAT is prideful. THAT is not charity. THAT is even expressly spoken against in the holy book he professes to follow.

    Can you not see why that might irk me?
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    Musuko42 Male 18-29
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    February 12, 2014 at 8:32 am
    JadesDitoyr

    "What 747 was talking about, from what I gather - correct me if I`m wrong, brother - is how when one of these bad apples shows up the culture outside of the church responds with "Fecking Christians" and condemns us on the actions of that bad apple."

    A valid complaint, I`m sure. And no person likes to be tarnished with the same brush as those within their group who misbehave.

    BUT if you are free to disassociate yourself from the misdeeds of others of your group, you must also be prevented from claiming to be part of the good deeds the others in your group have done.

    Nor can you point to all the good things your group does and say what a great group you are, then wave away the bad things the group has done, saying "those members aren`t really part of our group". It`s the "no true scotsman" thing all over again.

    Own up to ALL your group does, Westboro and all, or NONE of it.
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    Musuko42 Male 18-29
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    February 12, 2014 at 8:36 am
    @JadesDitoyr

    Ultimately, however, sometimes it isn`t just a few bad apples, depending on what view you have. To many, the entire CONCEPT of Christianity, and religion in general, is a bad one, and no amount of good deeds coming from it can excuse the fundamental stink of the bad idea at its core.

    For example (and chosing this example to avoid a Godwin offence), does the Soviet Union`s staggering acheivement in industrialisation excuse the fundamentally corrupt and abhorant nature of the totalitarian, communist regime that allowed it to happen?
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    February 12, 2014 at 8:42 am
    You also love to follow this guy....

    That`s not helping I pretty sure he like to yank it while looking in the mirror and doesn`t believe in god because he thinks he is one.
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    Musuko42 Male 18-29
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    February 12, 2014 at 8:42 am
    @JadesDitoyr

    In short: you can`t say Crakr`s charitable contributions (self-congratulation aside) represent an acheivement of the Christian religion, but in the same breath write off unpleasantness like the Westboro crew as "being bad apples".

    Either you blame/praise the religion for ALL the actions of the members of the group (those done in its name at any rate...CrakrJak`s charity and godhatesfags.com both hold up Christianity as the reason for their actions), or you do it for NONE. To pick the good bits and discard the rest...well, that`s just politics level of sleazy.

    Pragmatically, taking ALL the effects, good and bad, of religion being around, you can ask; has this provided a net benefit or detriment to mankind? The answer will be different depending on who you ask, and that`s fine. But you have to look at ALL of the effects to be fair.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    February 12, 2014 at 8:44 am
    @CrakrJak

    Charity = good nice thing to do (more than what most atheists do.)

    Door to door preaching = bad and annoying.
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    Musuko42 Male 18-29
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    February 12, 2014 at 8:45 am
    @McGovern1981

    "You also love to follow this guy...."

    Follow, no. Agree with, yes. If he started spouting nonsense, I`d disagree with him.

    But really, what are you trying to say, that athiests have blind faith as well as the religious, as if trying to say that athiests are as bad as the religious? Are you saying that blind faith is a BAD THING? What EXACTLY is your point with saying this sort of thing? "We`re morons, but you`re no better"?

    Really, think before you speak. Jeez.
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    Musuko42 Male 18-29
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    February 12, 2014 at 8:47 am
    @McGovern1981

    "Charity = good nice thing to do (more than what most atheists do.)"

    What are you basing that on? Do you have some stats showing the levels of charitable contributions against professed religious leaning?

    Or is that just your personal prejudice?
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    Musuko42 Male 18-29
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    February 12, 2014 at 8:51 am
    @McGovern1981

    "Door to door preaching = bad and annoying."

    As is door to door selling, soliciting for donations, raising awareness for *insert cause here*, soliciting for your vote, offering to pave your driveway with some leftover tarmac, etc etc.

    I`m hard-pressed to think of a SINGLE instance where someone who is a stranger to anyone living in my home knocking on my door has turned out to be a WELCOME visit, barring perhaps the postman delivering something I`ve ordered.

    Maybe you gleefully await the visit to your door of a stranger who wants something from you. Maybe it`s a cultural difference between our countries. Or maybe I`m the odd one. Who knows.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    February 12, 2014 at 9:27 am
    But really, what are you trying to say, that athiests have blind faith as well as the religious, as if trying to say that athiests are as bad as the religious? Are you saying that blind faith is a BAD THING? What EXACTLY is your point with saying this sort of thing? "We`re morons, but you`re no better"?

    My my my something I said certainly chapped your ass huh? No god can`t be proven just as much as a god so thereby it`s a believe. So when you preach your right and they`re wrong you`re being exactly the same about what you bitch about constantly. You`re both far sides of the spectrum no one can stand.

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    DromEd Male 40-49
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    February 12, 2014 at 9:30 am
    Nobody likes a self righteous douche nozzle.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    February 12, 2014 at 9:33 am
    As is door to door selling, soliciting for donations, raising awareness for *insert cause here*, soliciting for your vote, offering to pave your driveway with some leftover tarmac, etc etc.

    You left out preaching why your believe is right and anything else is wrong constantly over the internet......
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    Musuko42 Male 18-29
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    February 12, 2014 at 9:39 am
    @McGovern1981

    "No god can`t be proven just as much as a god so thereby it`s a believe."

    I can`t speak for other atheists, but I personally don`t believe there isn`t a god...I just don`t believe there is a god.

    It`s a small, but important distinction; lack of belief does indicate a belief in the alternative.

    "You left out preaching why your believe is right and anything else is wrong constantly over the internet......"

    We both came here, to the website, for that. Neither of us has gone to eachother`s houses. If I knocked on your door to babble at you about all this stuff, then feel free to be annoyed for that.

    Feel free to be annoyed about it here too, but for different reasons. I didn`t come to you to do it. We both came to a third place.

    Because we`re bored, aren`t we.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    February 12, 2014 at 10:07 am
    I can`t speak for other atheists, but I personally don`t believe there isn`t a god...I just don`t believe there is a god.

    That`s quite the contradiction you don`t believe there is a god but don`t believe there isn`t. Do you mean you can`t prove one way or another then that wouldn`t be atheist that`d be Agnostic. So continue speaking for atheists it`s what the cool kids pick.... BTW you buddy isn`t as sure as you like to say either....

    I can`t be sure God does not exist... On a scale of seven, where one means I know he exists, and seven I know he doesn`t, I call myself a six... That doesn`t mean I`m absolutely confident, that I absolutely know, because I don`t. Dawkins on The Telegraph, February 24, 2012,


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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    February 12, 2014 at 10:17 am
    As is door to door selling, soliciting for donations, raising awareness for *insert cause here*, soliciting for your vote, offering to pave your driveway with some leftover tarmac, etc etc.


    Feel free to be annoyed about it here too, but for different reasons. I didn`t come to you to do it. We both came to a third place.

    Now maybe I`m misunderstanding something but isn`t this soliciting sort of thing that you hate done in public much like this third place you speak of?
  83. Profile photo of Musuko42
    Musuko42 Male 18-29
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    February 12, 2014 at 11:29 am
    @McGovern1981

    "That`s quite the contradiction you don`t believe there is a god but don`t believe there isn`t. Do you mean you can`t prove one way or another then that wouldn`t be atheist that`d be Agnostic."

    If I have a box, here on my desk, I could say I don`t believe there is a cake inside it. But that doesn`t mean that I believe the box is empty...merely that I have no reason to believe what`s in there is a cake. It could be a dog poop, or a cup of tea, or indeed nothing.

    Atheism, in the interpretation I understand at least, means not believing in the existence of a deity. I fit that description. Wikipedia agrees: "Most inclusively, atheism is the absence of belief that any deities exist"

    So atheism isn`t the belief that the box is empty. It`s simply not believing that there is a cake/god in there.
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    Musuko42 Male 18-29
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    February 12, 2014 at 11:32 am
    @McGovern1981

    "BTW you buddy isn`t as sure as you like to say either...."

    Dawkins can say what he likes. He is not me and I am not him. I do not follow where he leads, and what he believes does not dictate what I believe, despite what you keep saying.

    "Now maybe I`m misunderstanding something but isn`t this soliciting sort of thing that you hate done in public much like this third place you speak of?"

    This third place, i-am-bored.com, is not a public place. It`s a private place into which we have been invited. It`s a little different from preaching on the public street. In fact, IAB fits the description of a church, which I am fine with.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    February 12, 2014 at 3:31 pm
    It`s a private place into which we have been invited

    I don`t recall ever being invited just like public places you can go there if you like and you can also be banned from there like this place.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    February 12, 2014 at 3:43 pm
    so atheism isn`t the belief that the box is empty. It`s simply not believing that there is a cake/god in there.

    I`d say most would disagree with you. They like to claim they`re certain there is no cake.

    Nobody likes a self righteous douche nozzle. [/quote[

    That about sums it up.

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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    February 12, 2014 at 3:48 pm
    so atheism isn`t the belief that the box is empty. It`s simply not believing that there is a cake/god in there.

    I`d say most would disagree with you. They like to claim they`re certain there is no cake. I`m still not seeing how this makes the evangelical atheist preaching here any better than fundy crap considering you`ve verified both are believes.

    Nobody likes a self righteous douche nozzle.

    That about sums it up.
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    JadesDitoyr Male 18-29
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    February 12, 2014 at 3:53 pm
    @Musuko
    By no means am I saying that Christians should divide themselves and condemn others for not fitting our type of Christianity; but by the same token we can all agree that WBC does not behave in actions that one would typically associate with the teachings of Christ.

    I understand that you have deep seated issues with religion, but can you concede that

    a) The verse is taken out of context in attempt to portray an inaccurate view on a Faith
    b) On an overall level, the Christians of IAB are not bad apples?
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    Musuko42 Male 18-29
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    February 12, 2014 at 4:43 pm
    @McGovern1981

    "I don`t recall ever being invited just like public places you can go there if you like and you can also be banned from there like this place."

    It`s privately owned and run. That conversation is now ended, because you are just trying to distract with semantics now.

    "I`d say most would disagree with you."

    And they`re free to do so. I don`t speak for them and they don`t speak for me. I am telling you my own personal thoughts alone. Do you understand what I am saying?

    "I`m still not seeing how this makes the evangelical atheist preaching here any better than fundy crap considering you`ve verified both are believes."

    It doesn`t, and I haven`t said it does.

    Can you not understand that "fundie" atheists do not speak for me? Dawkins is not the atheist pope. He speaks only for himself.
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    Musuko42 Male 18-29
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    February 12, 2014 at 4:47 pm
    @JadesDitoyr

    "but by the same token we can all agree that WBC does not behave in actions that one would typically associate with the teachings of Christ."

    Absolutely agreed. Can you agree that, if your detractors cannot use the WBC`s actions in an argument against your beliefs, your supporters cannot use other Christian`s actions in support of your beliefs, and your beliefs and your actions must stand on their own merit alone?

    "a) The verse is taken out of context in attempt to portray an inaccurate view on a Faith"

    I absolutely agree. At no point have I expressed any support for that billboard and what it`s trying to do.

    "b) On an overall level, the Christians of IAB are not bad apples?"

    Also agreed. I wouldn`t hang around and debate with them if they weren`t generally pleasant to do this with.
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    JadesDitoyr Male 18-29
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    February 12, 2014 at 5:22 pm
    @Musuko42

    If judged on each of our actions, we will always be judged unworthy. But, for an outsider, I would ask that you not even judge Christianity by my actions, but by the teachings of the Dying Messiah.

    I could never hold myself up as a good example, but I can tell you who I respect and who I try to emulate - and why.

    So, I do completely agree that I cannot rest my laurels on the virtues of others. I should, though, be able to use them to explain what changes I am trying to make within my life - with the help of God.
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    Musuko42 Male 18-29
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    February 13, 2014 at 3:15 am
    @JadesDitoyr

    "I would ask that you not even judge Christianity by my actions, but by the teachings of the Dying Messiah."

    That`s exactly what I try to do, to varying degrees of success. I judge you on how you act, and I judge the ideas of your religion on their merits alone.

    Does this help to explain why I don`t see CrakrJak`s charitable deeds as being part of my judgement of Christianity as an idea, nor do I see Christianity the idea as being part of my judgement of your actions? Christianity is not a good idea because Christians are good people, and Christians are not good people because Christianity is a good idea.

    I find too many problems seem to stem from being unable to disentangle the idea from the person. McGovern1981, for example, seems unable to recognise that Dawkins and atheism are seperate things, and that the merits and failings of one are largely unrelated to the other.
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    Musuko42 Male 18-29
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    February 13, 2014 at 3:16 am
    @JadesDitoyr

    On a personal level, I would say that you seem to be a very cool guy with a particularly healthy religious view. I`m enjoying talking to you! Hopefully I`ll catch you the next time this topic rolls around.

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