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    gingernut333 Female 18-29
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    February 7, 2014 at 1:08 pm
    Link: I`m Just Going To Leave This Here - Don`t teach children what to think; teach them how to think.
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    whodat6484 Male 30-39
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    February 7, 2014 at 1:27 pm
    Exactly
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    madduck Female 50-59
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    February 7, 2014 at 1:39 pm
    perfect sense...
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    mustang22 Female 30-39
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    February 7, 2014 at 2:04 pm
    Here here! Preach it Bill.
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    Reignblazer Male 18-29
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    February 7, 2014 at 2:09 pm
    Fat chance of that happening :p
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    February 7, 2014 at 2:11 pm
    Religion is child abuse.
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    747Pilot Male 18-29
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    February 7, 2014 at 2:35 pm
    There is only one man who can help us now:

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    Grendel Male 40-49
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    February 7, 2014 at 2:59 pm
    HolyGod-Religion is child abuse.
    Religion is a choice, and they have the right to raise there children as they see fit.

    I don`t see where having religious beliefs in any way hampers your ability to be a scientist, chemist, or engineer. I know many chemist, researchers and engineers who are also devoutly religious. It`s not like they believe God is controlling the pH of a solution, or that only prayor will make the new, robotic assembly line run.

    I know quite a few engineers that are horrible engineers not because of any religious faith, but simply because they`ve been educated far beyond their intelligence.

    And I know more workers who are ignorant not because of any faith, but because they were raised in the `you are special, just like everyone else` society where everyone gets a trophy, and no one accomplishes anything.
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    whodat6484 Male 30-39
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    February 7, 2014 at 3:14 pm

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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    February 7, 2014 at 3:17 pm
    Well, no `state` in history has ever done better at raising kids than the traditional "family", so the good gets lumped in with the bad.

    Anyhow, other religions (Islam!) teach stupid stuff too. Not like creationists are the only ones, eh?

    Telling parents they are `not allowed` to raise their children in their own religion = fascism. Nobody wants that, correct?
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    February 7, 2014 at 3:19 pm
    Megrendel

    "Religion is a choice, and they have the right to raise there children as they see fit"

    Absolutely.

    Nazis also have a right to raise their kids to be nazis. It doesn`t mean it isn`t child abuse.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    February 7, 2014 at 3:22 pm
    5cats

    "Anyhow, other religions (Islam!) teach stupid stuff too. Not like creationists are the only ones, eh?"

    Why do you ALWAYS do this? Nobody said anything about Christianity. We aren`t picking on one religion. We are picking on religion. That includes Islam, don`t worry.

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    QueenZira Female 18-29
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    February 7, 2014 at 4:02 pm
    As important as it is to avoid the irrational extremes of belief, I would respectfully posit that bringing kids up in a tradition is not, in and of itself, abuse. It`s more like giving them a kind of cosmic "language" to work with. As long as that language doesn`t become a cage or a cudgel, it`s ethical and helps them as they learn new "vocabulary" with which to describe their world. Just my 2 cents.

    (That`s why I have to laugh at the pentacle brand in the pic there, just a lil displacing IMO).
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    tedgp Male 30-39
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    February 7, 2014 at 4:09 pm
    Religion is a choice, and they have the right to raise there children as they see fit.

    Yes for the person. it is NOT a choice when a child is FORCED to follow their parents wishes. THAT is child abuse in its rawest form.
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    747Pilot Male 18-29
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    February 7, 2014 at 4:29 pm
    "Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind"

    btw good post MeGrendel
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    February 7, 2014 at 4:45 pm
    747pilot

    Watch your quoting. Einstein was an atheist that made fun of people that believed in the Bible.
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    747Pilot Male 18-29
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    February 7, 2014 at 4:53 pm
    HG: Who said anything about einstien?

    The quote was simply:

    "Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind"
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    Denogginizer Male 30-39
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    February 7, 2014 at 4:55 pm
    "THAT is child abuse in its rawest form."
    Idiot statement of the day! Equating taking your child to Sunday school with beating them is moronic. I suppose it`s ok for atheist parents to keep their kids home if they display a curiosity about religion. As children, kids have no say in how they are raised, church or no. Kids are always forced to follow the parents wishes. They`re kids. Once they get older, they can then decide to stay with those religious teachings or try something else. It happens all the time.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    February 7, 2014 at 5:00 pm
    747

    "Who said anything about einstien"

    It is an einstein quote used out of context by the religious.
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    Dad4Life Male 50-59
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    February 7, 2014 at 5:00 pm
    My brother-in-law is a devout Christian and a computer engineer. Don`t be a dumbaa$$ Bill Nye.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    February 7, 2014 at 5:03 pm
    Denoggenizer

    You act as if there is always a simple choice. People are raised in a church and pressured by everyone they know and love and trust.

    If people stopped brainwashing their kids for two generations religion would be basically eradicated.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    February 7, 2014 at 5:05 pm
    Scfan

    Where did he say anything about being Christina? He`s talking about denying evolution. Does your brother deny evolution? I know plenty of religious people who view things like eden, the ark, and the plagues of Egypt as parable.
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    747Pilot Male 18-29
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    February 7, 2014 at 5:08 pm
    HG: if you say so, but in reality they are both unique tools for unique jobs.
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    PARSBAYLUK Male 18-29
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    February 7, 2014 at 5:09 pm
    @Denoggenizer
    Is it really their choice once they get older? From day one they`ve been brainwashed to think that if they leave, they`ll be burned for all eternity in hell. Not many would leave after that. When I was 11 or 12, after much deliberation, I finally considered myself an atheist, but I felt uneasy for weeks thinking that I`d be smitten or something. If I waited any longer to prove to myself that my religion was irrational, I`d probably still be stuck with it today.
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    Xprez Male 30-39
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    February 7, 2014 at 5:30 pm
    I thought Bill Nye was smart? These are not "smart" statements. Most people don`t even understand what is really meant by evolution.
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    Thonious Male 40-49
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    February 7, 2014 at 5:35 pm
    I have always said that people can believe whatever they want to believe, but they should have a consistent set of beliefs, live their lives in accordance with their beliefs, and accept the consequences. If you believe you can fly, that is your right, but if you do, but you walk around all day not flying then you are a hypocrite.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    February 7, 2014 at 5:53 pm
    @Holygod

    Your question is the most difficult in the world. It is not a question I can answer simply with yes or no. I am not an Atheist. I do not know if I can define myself as a Pantheist. The problem involved is too vast for our limited minds. - Einstein
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    Denogginizer Male 30-39
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    February 7, 2014 at 6:07 pm
    It is a tough choice to make, but it can be made, and does get made all the time. My objection was more with equating it to child abuse. Parents will always raise their children they way they want them to be, be it liberals, 7th day Adventists, or atheists. Raising a child in the church is no different than raising a child to vote democrat or be a hippy. It`s just a choice parents have to make. Kids rebel against their upbringing all the time.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    February 7, 2014 at 6:17 pm
    Mcgovern

    Einstein said that "the word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honorable but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish."
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    February 7, 2014 at 6:19 pm
    @HolyGod

    He also said "I am not an Atheist" because he even knew he did not have an absolute answer to those sort of questions.
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    jbwhite Male 18-29
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    February 7, 2014 at 6:37 pm
    one day we gonna wake up... i hope.
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    Kegomatix Male 18-29
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    February 7, 2014 at 6:56 pm
    I`ve always said that I wasn`t going to push any agenda of religion onto my kids, I was going to let them decide on their own after knowing every different angle (and I was very confident that they would be smart enough to see the truth).

    Now that that they are old enough to start wondering about these things, I`m thinking about changing my approach. My grandmother will start telling them God is the answer just as she did me. I live in a very religious area so I`m sure they will be exposed to a lot of it at school. I will definitely tell them my opinion should they ask.. I would just hate to see them waste their lives at church and praying to an invisible entity.
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    Forplay2k Male 50-59
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    February 7, 2014 at 7:04 pm
    Repost
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    747Pilot Male 18-29
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    February 7, 2014 at 7:40 pm
    lol McGovern1981 laying the smackdown on HG
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    February 7, 2014 at 7:51 pm
    Mcgovern

    I disagree. Your quote was a public interview given at a time when calling yourself an atheist in America was worse than calling yourself a communist. Atheists were in hiding.

    My quote is a private correspondence that shows his true feeling.
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    Andrew155 Male 18-29
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    February 7, 2014 at 8:20 pm
    McGovern just dropped a bombshell. Here is the full Einstein quote.

    Your question is the most difficult in the world. It is not a question I can answer simply with yes or no. I am not an Atheist. I do not know if I can define myself as a Pantheist. The problem involved is too vast for our limited minds. May I not reply with a parable? The human mind, no matter how highly trained, cannot grasp the universe. We are in the position of a little child, entering a huge library whose walls are covered to the ceiling with books in many different tongues. The child knows that someone must have written those books. It does not know who or how. It does not understand the languages in which they are written...
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    Andrew155 Male 18-29
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    February 7, 2014 at 8:21 pm
    The child notes a definite plan in the arrangement of the books, a mysterious order, which it does not comprehend, but only dimly suspects. That, it seems to me, is the attitude of the human mind, even the greatest and most cultured, toward God. We see a universe marvelously arranged, obeying certain laws, but we understand the laws only dimly. Our limited minds cannot grasp the mysterious force that sways the constellations. I am fascinated by Spinoza`s Pantheism. I admire even more his contributions to modern thought. Spinoza is the greatest of modern philosophers, because he is the first philosopher who deals with the soul and the body as one, not as two separate things.

    The man sounds very non-atheist. I mean, he actually says it. The Evangelical Atheists of today wouldn`t like it. He is Agnostic-ish, but not an Evangelical Atheist by any measure.
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    Listypoos Male 40-49
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    February 7, 2014 at 8:49 pm
    OK folks, join us after the break in another 500 atheist/believer posts when we`ll be reviewing how many times the same poo has been said over and over by the same people.

    It`s the same with gun control and Obamacare posts..... neither side is gonna budge, nothing new is ever said, someone will always say either libtards or eurotwats, clock always wakes you up to `I got you babe` and everyone eventually moves out of groundhogpost and on to the fat drat falling over post where everyone can find a common thing to laugh about.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    February 7, 2014 at 9:09 pm
    Andrew155

    "The man sounds very non-atheist. I mean, he actually says it."

    Of course he said it. What do you think would have happened if he would have said openly he was an atheist? You could not be an atheist at that time in America.

    I find his private correspondence where he makes fun of religious people to be more telling than an interview question.

    If someone says they aren`t racist in a tv interview but then writes a letter to a friend saying he hates n.iggers and they should all be hung by a tree, does that mean he isn`t racist because he publicly denied it?
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    QueenZira Female 18-29
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    February 7, 2014 at 9:12 pm
    Vv On the contrary Listy, this has been rather unusually pleasant and civil. For us. Every once in a while we have some genuine insight and intellectual exchange. We should do that more often. Enjoy the experience, have a doobie or two and pump some Gregorian chant in the background. Or you know, whatever expands your consciousness.
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    Listypoos Male 40-49
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    February 7, 2014 at 10:03 pm
    "Enjoy the experience, have a doobie or two"

    I think two would put me under the table right now....I used to smoke a lot and then I left it for a while. Had one spliff, the first in about 18 months a couple of weeks ago when visiting some old mates... god i was cabbaged after about 5 mins. :D
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    Draculya Male 40-49
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    February 8, 2014 at 12:06 am
    There is no god

    It is damaging to believe in nonsense, particularly religion

    Preaching religion is especially damaging.
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    onoffonoffon Male 30-39
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    February 8, 2014 at 12:34 am
    What we need is BRAWNDO! It`s got electrolytes ya know.
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    spanerbulb Male 30-39
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    February 8, 2014 at 1:16 am
    I`ve always though that indoctrinating children should be seen as a form of child abuse.
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    ArgusTuft Male 50-59
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    February 8, 2014 at 2:05 am
    Spanerbulb. It is. Period.
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    747Pilot Male 18-29
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    February 8, 2014 at 5:06 am
    Draculya: of course dear, if you say so *eyeroll*.

    HG: your grasping for straws
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    aliyahg1979 Female 30-39
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    February 8, 2014 at 6:39 am
    @onoffonoffon

    unfortunately, this is where we are headed. immaculate conception, building humans out of another human`s ribs, dinosaurs living together with humans in the same time frame and of course, going to "Hell" for not believing that the baby produced via immaculate conception was the son of God, who`s ancestors were produced/created from human parts and lived together with dinosaurs.

    These people do not care nor are they interested in data, only certain kinds of folktales which have been passed down through a book, which was written by man, and edited an x amount of times to serve the purpose of brainwashing the young.
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    onoffonoffon Male 30-39
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    February 8, 2014 at 7:27 am
    @aliyahq1979
    You maybe be right, however the US education system is a failing, misguided system and that has little to do with religious types. In fact it has most everything to do with academic types who "know everything"
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    patchouly Male 40-49
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    February 8, 2014 at 1:22 pm
    He is 100% correct. Science prove, over and over again, that the Bible is false. If the Bible is false, then you are making up your own religion. If you choose to make up your own religion, do not brainwash your children with it and make them as ignorant as you are; because that is child abuse.
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    patchouly Male 40-49
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    February 8, 2014 at 1:26 pm
    Also, HolyGod nailed it with the racist comparison. When Einstein made the quotes, it was during a time when he would have been ousted from society for admitting his real beliefs. Not wanting to say he was religious, he did the next best thing. The fact that he made fun of religious folks in personal correspondence shows how he really felt.
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    itchy_koolie Male 18-29
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    February 8, 2014 at 1:36 pm
    @onoffonoffon

    The US education system is a "failing, misguided system" because we don`t properly fund the programs, or care what we pay the people who teach in them. The second a extra dollar is spent on education in this country, you get the hoards of people screaming about how were paying these "Academic types" to fill these kids heads with the devils lies.

    But I guess it`s just easier to generalize a vague group of people and blame all the problems on them. Keeps you from having to do any hard things like thinking and actually solving problems.
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    Grendel Male 40-49
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    February 9, 2014 at 8:02 am
    itchy_koolie-The US education system is a "failing, misguided system" because we don`t properly fund the programs
    The US spends $15,171 per student each year. That is more than any other developed nation. Switzerland comes in second at $14,922 and goes all the way down to Mexico`s $2,993. The average amount is $9,313.

    In terms of percent of GDP, the US is above average at 7.3% (average is 6.3). Denmark topped the list at 8%.

    So it`s not a `lack` of funds, but the crappy product we`re purchasing.

    itchy_koolie-or care what we pay the people who teach in them.
    Actually we do care.

    Oh, we don`t care about teaching them how to read, do basic math or comprehend physics. But the `plan` is to have the students with the highest self-esteem. After all, everyone gets a trophy so every`s a winner. Right?

    Self-esteem and $5 will get you a Grande` Caramel-Frap, Lite w/Cream at Starbucks.
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    liabach Male 40-49
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    February 9, 2014 at 9:05 am
    I dont know, perhaps this is cynical, but if you really take a step- back and look at our society and where its heading. Does quality mass education really matter? Seems to me with automation and a few geniuses in the right places. The rest of us only need the educational level to read cereal boxes and determine which button to press at the gas pumps. As long as the masses can drone in synchronicity with texted twitter posts and You- Tube kitten-Bieber videos while sitting in a soft office chairs with a sucrose drip. They will just be complacent and purchase stuff.

    --- I write this while sinking into my Gorilla office massage chair.
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    Grendel Male 40-49
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    February 9, 2014 at 11:15 am
    liabach-[quote"> Does quality mass education really matter? [/quote">
    For your consideration: Idiocracy
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    CynicalGamer Male 40-49
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    February 9, 2014 at 1:29 pm
    You can lead a kid to knowledge, but you can`t make him think.
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    papajon0s1 Male 40-49
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    February 10, 2014 at 11:13 am
    I`m a Catholic, but not a creationist. That said, I think this sentiment is a bit silly by Bill. Of course they are going to teach their children as will you teach your own. What I think the world lacks here is tolerance for opposing views. And I don`t see that gap closing anytime soon, rather I see the gaps between people widening further.

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