Russia Today Declares: 9/11 Was An Inside Job!

Submitted by: 747Pilot 3 years ago in

What do you think?
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Male 4,099
@5Cats: As I said I need to sleep but real breifly. Yes the wings did go through the buildings. And the engines did not hit those windows. I`ll explain on Friday. Got to go to bed. peace.
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Male 4,099
I have seen nothing yet to convince me that the government or any agent in it would massively strike itself purposefully, in some elaborately deceptive way, with murderous intent on innocent Americans, that requires loads of people to act independently and flawlessly, and requires them somehow forcing out side intelligence forces like German intelligence, M6, Russian, and a bunch of others to all falsify findings, purely so that they can then begin a war. There are are much easier ways to start wars, that has been documented and perfected, that far take fewer people, require far less money and risk, and doesn`t kill Americans but still gets their support.
I`m not trying to be dismissive, but I just don`t see the viability of this theory in part or in whole.
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Male 4,099
I`ve got to go to bed now, so I`ll say the gist of it...

@747Pilot: I disagree with your link in a couple of ways, we can discuss them if you like, but as I said before I didn`t think PM did a real good job either in many ways. Yet I agree with your belief that each side will continue to have authorities on the subject.

I understand your position, and I have researched into the claims of this yet I have seen nothing presented that convinces me that what was found in the report was not "the real truth." I have found that usually the proof that I am presented from the skeptics are more open ended questions that are usually asked in a way to suggest a plot of some sort. But just as the example of the former experience has shown is usually just a specific question or requires a specific answer that is answered easily with a little research.
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Male 40,300
[quote]Yet the engines were notable because large chunks of them had blown a 12 foot hole threw the second wall[/quote]

And how did it get through the first wall? Both wings did NOT magically "fold up" before the aircraft touched anything!
See? Non-answers like this increase my suspicion of "the official story:.

Unbreakable windows?
6 tons at 500 mph = broken. Walls! Nevermind windows.
If the less-dense fuselage can pierce 3 super-reinforced walls? The engine can break a window.
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Male 4,099
i have work until 8pm on thursdays, I reply after that.
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Male 1,454
That we don`t stand up is the real tragedy.
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Male 1,454
richanddead: a fair answer, i`ve seen similar responses.

One thing i would also like to add to this is that even though the claims made by architects and engineers for 911 truth, were supposedly debunked by popular mechanics; the popular mechanics `debunking` is also being debunked here

So until it`s officially and unbiasedly re-investigated, we`ll have to agree to disagree.. like drawman says "Both sides will put forward `experts` and round and round it goes." But 12 years after the fact, it`s likely this will be another perpetual `conspiracy` like the JFK assasination, the real truth never known.

What we do know is that this was used to take away freedom in exchange for security. And because we allowed it to happen, we all deserve neither.
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Male 4,099
"Like I said, PM does NOT address the Pentagon at all!"

I understand what you mean, I think PM should stick to focusing on technology instead of exiting their field.
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Male 4,099
The eyewitnesses seeing different color and numbers of engines is nothing new. People actually rapidly forget many features about incidents that victimized them.

As far as the tapes look like there were two tapes one from a hotel and one from a gas station. Judicial Watch was able to get them back though in 2006, they didn`t show much though.

Here they are:
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Male 4,099
And the windows are not made to break, they were 4-6 inches of blast-proof glass. The windows are very hard to puncture even in a plane crash they are made to spread blast energy into the walls.

Ken Hays, executive vice president of Masonry Arts, the Bessemer, Ala., company that designed, manufactured and installed the Pentagon windows said "They were not designed to receive wracking seismic force, they were designed to take in inward pressure from a blast event, which apparently they did"
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Male 4,099
@5Cats:

1. The engines actually did make a lot of damage, most of the plane was ripped to small parts by the time it was only a few feet into the first wall. Yet the engines were notable because large chunks of them had blown a 12 foot hole threw the second wall.
Sgt. Nate Orme was quoted as saying "On the inside wall of the second ring of the Pentagon, a nearly circular hole, about 12-feet wide, allows light to pour into the building from an internal service alley. An aircraft engine punched the hole out on its last flight after being broken loose from its moorings on the plane. The result became a huge vent for the subsequent explosion and fire. Signs of fire and black smoke now ring the outside of the jagged-edged hole."

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Male 4,099
@drawman61: "Each side will cast doubt or even mock the others credibility. Both sides will put forward `experts` and round and round it goes. We all have opinions on just about everything and I should respect that."

I agree wholeheartedly kudos. I like debates but we`ll simply agree to disagree.
"Fere libenter homines id quod volunt credunt"
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Male 4,099

These mistakes are not rare in events like these, hell there is misreporting even when there is no unfolding disaster. BBC has since taken full responsibility for the mistake and even put out a couple of apology/explanation editorials.

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Male 4,099
He got that from this CNN TV report that had happened at 4:15pm.LINK

At 4:53pm Fi Glover butchered the statement saying:

"25 minutes ago we had reports from Greg Barrow that another large building has collapsed just over an hour ago."

The BBC network in London began spreading this to it`s other sources, finally culminating when the story finally appeared in the monitors of the newscasters on BBC`s TV station and on to youtube forever.
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Male 4,099
@747Pilot: Thats actually a really good point, kudos. People knew around 2:00pm that the building would collapse eventually. Thats when they noticed the building beginning to sag and they started planning a safety zone. At 3:00 as I said they stopped battling the fires and cleared the safety zone, journalists on the ground were trying to get as much details off what was going on as possible.

Ok now to get detailed, although you linked when the story was reported on the TV, the story was actually reported 1 hour not 20 mins before the collapse on BBC Radio Five Live at 4:27pm when Greg Barrow said:

"We are hearing reports from local media that another building may have caught light and is in danger of collapse. I`m not sure if it has yet collapsed but the report we have is talking about Building 7."


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Male 535
What a total load of bullpoo...
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Male 40,300
@richanddead: That article`s new to me, thx! It seems to just re-state previous PM articles. nothing wrong with that, of course!

#1 The two, 6 ton engines didn`t even chip the paint? They represent 1/7 of the plane`s mass. The fuselage penetrated 3 walls, but the engines didn`t break a window?

Various eyewitnesses made several claims. 4 engines, quiet, no windows, colours not matching the plane`s. Odd, eh?

At least 2 full colour videos exist of the crash. Both were seized by `agents` within an hour. Never seen by anyone! Including the Committee.
Just like the Zapruder film, remember?

?? Wait, that`s it? 3? Not even tough ones? That`s hardly scratching the surface of questions!

Like I said, PM does NOT address the Pentagon at all!
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Male 1,454
richanddead: so can you explain the fact that BBC reported WTC7 building had collapsed when the building was still standing in the background (and even shows us it`s still clearly standing)?

I`d realy like you to explain how BBC knew this 20 minutes in advance, while talking about the collapsed building, which still clearly stood in the background. It would be amazing if you could explain this fully. Does the media have a crystal ball?

I may have more questions in regards to this, but lets see how you answer this one first.
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Male 7,774
@richanddead- Ok, I`ll drop the silly name calling seeing as you were decent enough to give a straight explanation. Where I don`t think both sides of the argument will ever meet is that each will turn to its own source material as evidence. Each side will cast doubt or even mock the others credibility. Both sides will put forward `experts` and round and round it goes. We all have opinions on just about everything and I should respect that. So, apologies from me if I have offended anyone. I just get carried away in these `debates` sometimes. But without trying to sound condescending it`s the mix of characters on here that is the reason I keep coming back.
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Male 4,099
@5Cats: Hey thx, I aim to please. But I have to disagree with you on the 9/11 commission report. They start the section on only the Pentagon on the bottom of page 311, section 9.3. But the attacks and people involved are listed everywhere, 107 by my computers count.

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I think you talking about this article LINK. Whats your question there?
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Male 40,300
Thanks @richanddead! Best `Building 7` explanation I`ve heard! Clear & concise :-)

We forget the sheer chaos of that day, and the near-impossibility of fighting a fire so close to the two collapsed towers, amid the rubble and dust.

Now if only someone could explain the Pentagon? That would be good.

9/11 Committee: Purposefully ignored the Pentagon attack: did not cover it -at all-.
Popular Mechanics: Offered flawed `proofs` and answered none of the questions.

Just saying.
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Male 4,099
All the buildings weight above the 7th floor was supported by three main internal trusses. Truss 1 was an independent truss that was closest to the damage. When the north tower had fell it had ripped open the building and exposed the truss. After 7 hours of direct contact with the fires, at 5:20 P.M. Truss 1 failed. 1/3 of building seven began to collapse but was held up by the other two trusses. This event was captured on camera by CBS. Unfortunately this only lasted 8 second and the the other two trusses fell and the building finally totally collapsed.


Here a picture of as truss 1 failing, you can see the south west roof collapsing on the left hand side. The video used to be on youtube but CBS sued everyone for it, still I sometimes see it incorporated with other videos.


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Male 4,099
The debris had also crushed a little over a half dozen different industrial diesel generators that were disseminated in multiple points around the first floors that began feeding voracious fires in multiple parts of the building.

With 47 floors bearing down on the structurally damaged, shifted, and intensely burning lower floors the building began to slump. This was noted at 2:00pm when the fire department began warning every one about a large bulge that was forming at the base of the damage on the southwest corner. They reported hearing noises of heavy metal buckling, ripping noises, and the whole building groaning and creaking.

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Male 4,099
...building 7.


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Male 4,099
@drawman61: I won`t call you any names but to your point "none of the name-callers here has an answer to any of them." I`ll gladly answer whatever you`d like.

Are you referencing the part around 5 minutes where they talked about building 7?

Tower 7 was only 300 ft away from the north tower. When the north tower fell the debris severely damaged the bottom SW corner of building 7 stretching from the 18th floor and increasing int damage to the 1st floor.

The lead investigator for the NIST, Shyam Sunder, came out publicly in her report that 25% of the building had been scooped out of the first 10 floors. This was reinforced by eye witnesses who were there like the police and firefighters.

Because of this at 3:00PM the decision was made to let the fires burn unchecked because they had already determined that the buildings collapse was inevitable. A security perimeter was set up and all emergency personnel was recalled from the area around...
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Male 8,427
drawman61-"when the vid clearly explains"

Nothing...It clearly explains nothing. It DOES, on the other hand, clearly manipulates the ignorance of the gullible. (you fell for it)

@747
1st Hard Fact: Nano Thermite: FALSE
2: 1700 idiots for truth.
3: Collapse time: FALSE. (`Bldg 7 was never hit by plane`, No, it was hit by a BIG ASSED FALLING BUILDING)
Rest is equally bu||sh|t.

747Pilot-"quite a few people agree with this"

Quite a few people agree WWE wrestling is real.

Quite the majority of people realize you`re an ignorant fool (as you continue to demsontrate with every post)
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Male 14,331
[quote]But since you avoid that, one can only reason that you simply don`t believe it as much as you make people think, or you`re simply a troll.[/quote]

Now now that would be hating his own country something he doesn`t want to do it`s only the USA he`s interested in......
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Male 14,331
[quote]It doesn`t really matter whether it was an act of terrorism or an inside job. The effect was the same. No more US freedoms.[/quote]

Lol the bitch of China want to critique freedoms...

Ya guys all those building were rigged with explosives and teams upon teams of engineers payed off to say it was jet fuel all without anyone speaking up......seems legit!
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Male 7,774
Djwajda- If there`s any `conspiracy` in 9/11 it would be that perhaps...perhaps the government did indeed use the attack as an excuse to enter a prolonged war.

That`s the first sensible thing you`ve ever written as far as I can tell. Wasn`t difficult was it? Lightning didn`t strike you down.

@747- The 24 hard facts is great viewing yet none of the name-callers here has an answer to any of them. But they continue to huddle together throwing abuse and tinfoil calling us deluded.

Anyone who can be bothered, just search Bush family and Dulles family links. These `respectable` families have been murdering and profiting from decent Americans for decades.
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Male 1,454
djwajda: If a re-investigation shows people from Canada were involved, then let them pay the price. But don`t quit your day job; profiling people based on internet comments is clearly not your strong point!
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Male 1,983
I would more readily believe the private corporations of the military industrial complex colluded to cause this tragedy as a means of getting us into war for the sole purpose of generating profits, than I would believe in the incompetence of the Bush government being able to pull off something of this magnitude.

But the simplest explanation is lunatic religious fanatics hijack 4 passenger jets......
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Male 39,552

Your headwear is ready...the latest fashions

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Male 883
Ya know I almost forgot. Seems in all your silly banter about energy and whining about being called a nutter you once again avoided the issue.

Come on now, if you believe so strongly in all this then you should despise the very country you live in. If the whole thing is true then you must believe that Canada was heavily involved.

But since you avoid that, one can only reason that you simply don`t believe it as much as you make people think, or you`re simply a troll.
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Male 1,454
djwajda: call me all the names you like bud, i told ya, if you`re offering up your energy, i`ll take it!
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Male 2,578
Draculya - Less freedoms everywhere, they`re being curbed in other countries as well. And this has been happening since before 9/11.

Obviously the real conspiracy is why we`re still in Afghanistan. I saw Lone Survivor today. It was a compelling movie, but it just made you wonder, "WHY? STILL??"

For some point of reference, I was 11 years old when we entered Afghanistan. Now, I have a Master`s degree and a job. Same war, still going on.
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Male 883
@747

What, don`t like being called a nutter?

This coming from the one who used to chant `death to the presidency` until it got him banned.

I`m so sorry that all your so called facts and videos get debunked. I can`t help that people figure out that...uh oh...those said facts are wrong.

So be my guest, go out and march up and down Pennsylvania Avenue and scream to high heaven for a re-investigation.
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Male 5,811
Surely if thermite was used there would be plenty of Al2O3, one of the major byproducts of thermite combustion in the dust and wreckage...checks paper...oh there wasn`t any?

Next.
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Male 15,182
It doesn`t really matter whether it was an act of terrorism or an inside job. The effect was the same. No more US freedoms.
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Male 1,454
djwajda: i don`t claim to be in "the know" about this, i`m all for a re-investigation because things don`t add up and quite a few people agree with this. Calling someone a name though, implies that you are in `the know` and the person you`re addressing isn`t. Nice try though.
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Male 883
@747

Sorry to disappoint you but you discredit yourself with this very post. I didn`t even need to reply to it for that. But keep telling yourself you`re `in the know` and we aren`t.
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Male 1,454
djwajda: that`s right, discredit everyone with names and put downs, deny what they say. You know, some people take that energy and get stronger, despite your best efforts, which in turn leaves you weaker. So, you didn`t have to do that, but thanks anyway.
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Male 883
I`ve read about you conspiracy nuts and it must be true what they say. You want and need so badly to know some hard `truth` that nobody else knows that you grasp onto anything that`s said about a certain event.

If there`s any `conspiracy` in 9/11 it would be that perhaps...perhaps the government did indeed use the attack as an excuse to enter a prolonged war. Outside of that though, you all do make some cute videos for your fellow nutters to salivate over.
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Male 1,454
xavroche: you forgot to mention that those represent 2006 numbers. People have been educating themselves for the last 7-8 years. Especailly since Richard Gage presented the very eye opening facts in the 9/11: Blueprint for truth - The archtitechture of destruction
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Male 883
[quote]Then I actually grew up[/quote]

@Andrew
That`s all that needed to be said you could have stopped right there.
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Male 883
@747

I would say he is correct that perhaps `many` but 20 percent is not a `majority`. Best check your own country`s polls.
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Male 1,454
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Male 1,692
I think the conspiracy is that 9/11 was used as a pretext for American hegemony and got the vice president and friends very very wealthy at the expense of the American economy and peace for those living in the middle east. Yah know, unleashing jihad for the messiah isnt a good strategy.
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Male 883
And the I-A-B resident nutters stand arm in arm...

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Male 2,578
No, drawman. Like I said, I was even open to the possibility of a conspiracy circa 2005. That`s how much I hated Bush. Then I actually grew up and realized that the conspiracy makes no sense.

And no, a majority of Canadians are not truthers. But if they were, you would think they would call for revolution in their own country, considering that would mean that the Canadian government carries co-culpability for 9/11.

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Male 1,454
The further a society drifts from truth, the more it will hate those who speak it. - George Orwell.
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Male 819
@nutters: just because the majority of your friends are idiots doesn`t mean you can extrapolate that... Here are the facts.

Every time the conspiracy theorists come out with another stupid article it gets debunked in around 10 minutes.

The truth is I`ve never met a single person that I would qualify as intelligent who believes that 9/11 was an inside job.
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Male 425
Didn`t anyone see the scientific evidence released not 5 days ago supporting the thermite theory?

Oh right.. If it contradicts your opinion then it must be "made up"

Cheers
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Male 7,774
You`ll notice, 747, the ones with their eyes squeezed tightly shut are the ones mocking or deflecting onto - let me see what we have this time - mormons/homosexuals/the olympics...it goes on and on.
Or they actually ask you for proof when the vid clearly explains tower 7 could only come down one way.
You could have the president announce from the Whitehouse lawn that they did it and these people would find an excuse not to believe him.
Like I`ve said before, these are the same type who would have ridiculed explorers years ago who told them the Earth wasn`t flat.
It`s a defence mechanism. Leave them to their safe, fluffy world.
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Male 1,454
djwajda: elderstarr`s post is not far off the mark about folks up in Canada.

drawman61: the horror!
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Male 6
Many, possibly a majority, of Canadians believe it was brought down from the inside.

2 ways to prove it...
- build an exact replica of a tower and crash a Boeing 767 into it, loaded with fuel.

- or have the United States govt. just admit it already. (But how many Americans believe their government... Right?)
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Male 448
@oldollie: ofcourse not, it will be a right wing attack on the liberties of mother russia, and 12 years after the incident, fox news will reveal it was an inside job.
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Male 1,397
What?....you think??
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Male 7,774
Careful, 747, there are people watching who might click on one star rating to punish you.
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Male 883
Funny thing is in the past on more than one occasion I`ve kindly pointed out to @747 that to believe this so strongly then he must also condemn his own country of Canada. His fellow nutters all concur that Canada was involved in the `sinister plot`.

Naturally he ducks and avoids that assertion each time.
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Male 2,578
I was actually open to the possibility of a conspiracy for a long time, especially during my teenage years. That was how much I hated Bush in my teenage years. I thought, "Bush is so evil, he must have done this too!"

But no, that`s stupid. Conspiracy doesn`t stack up here. Maybe there are some vague things that are fishy, etc. But the grand shebang being explosions and/or thermite with 4 airplanes with pilots who were convinced to kamikaze themselves as a cover for it doesn`t make sense. And somehow they made all of the passengers on those fake flights disappear.

Just because you want a conspiracy, doesn`t mean there is one.
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Male 15,832
I wonder, if there`s a major terrorist attack at the Olympics, will the Russians call it an inside job.
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Male 883
[quote]never mind the facepalming, actually look into it[/quote]

Already have and would suggest you do the same. Getting tired of people wasting good tinfoil.
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Male 14,331
@emmettyville

And tell us all you`re theory on jet exhaust again.... really says it all.
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Female 4,359
never mind the facepalming, actually look into it....getting really tired of sheeple.
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Male 883
This is coming from the same russia that says it`s laws on homosexuality are meant to keep people `safe` right?
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Male 8,427
@Agent `double-aught` Smith.

When you try to wake a sleeping person for a dumbass reason, they tend to call you a dumbass, THEN roll over and go back to sleep.

Wake me up when you have something that remotely resembles the facts.
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Female 2,228
So this is what Pravda became after their Cold War heyday.

They also think Mormons are spooks and are angling to deport them, so clearly, these folks` credibility is impeccable.





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Female 7,997
I do love a good conspiracy theory... such crap so lovingly crafted. Before we burnt the old house I had some `truth dollars` a mad friend gave me... they were brilliant!
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Male 39,552
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Male 414
Is this when Putin shows up in his hazmat suit with the tin foil hat?
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Male 2,579
When you try to wake a sleeping person, their first response is to roll over and go back to sleep.
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Male 8,427
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Male 5,811
Jet fuel doesn`t burn that hot? But what about the tanks those planes were carrying full of the mind-control agents that they use to make chemtrails? Who even knows what temperature those burn at?!
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Male 1,454
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