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27 Responses to Remember The Man Who Killed The Texter This Week?

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    fancylad Male 30-39
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    January 14, 2014 at 12:52 pm
    Link: Remember The Man Who Killed The Texter This Week? - Remember? The Florida movie theater? Old man shoots/kills texter during the movie? He may use Stand Your Ground defense.
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    BoredFrank Male 40-49
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    January 14, 2014 at 1:03 pm
    I don`t see where that law would apply, but since a texter was shot, what the heck.
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    ForSquirel Male 30-39
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    January 14, 2014 at 1:08 pm
    That`s gonna be a stretch as I don`t see how having popcorn thrown at you is a `fear of imminent death.` Then again, I`m not a lawyer and well versed in Florida`s SYG law.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    January 14, 2014 at 1:16 pm
    He may also plead guily. He may plead not guilty. He may stand up in the middle of trail on a table and cluck like a chicken. Mabey we should listen to eyewitness accounts of what happened instead of slanted news and let a court reach a verdict based on evidence.....
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    whodat6484 Male 30-39
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    January 14, 2014 at 1:19 pm
    Umm... no, he killed a middle aged white guy, he`s f*cked.
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    Wendypants Female 30-39
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    January 14, 2014 at 1:31 pm
    It`s the American legal system, the shooter could get away with it whatever excuse he uses... but the `stand your ground` plea should not fit this crime in any way.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    January 14, 2014 at 2:02 pm
    @WhoDat

    Roderick Scott shooting look it up and contemplate why you never heard about it......
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    whodat6484 Male 30-39
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    January 14, 2014 at 2:11 pm
    @McGovern1981 - I`ve hear about about. In fact, I`m pretty sure I was the one who brought that up here during the Zimmerman thing, which is probably the only reason you know about it.
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    Grendel Male 40-49
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    January 14, 2014 at 2:12 pm
    Wendypants-"but the `stand your ground` plea should not fit this crime in any way."

    Maybe you should read the law involved.

    Florida Statutes
    776.012 ...However, a person is justified in the use of deadly force and does not have a duty to retreat if:
    (1) He or she reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the imminent commission of a forcible felony; or
    (2) Under those circumstances permitted pursuant to s. 776.013

    (note: 776.013 envolves `Home protection; use of deadly force; presumption of fear of death or great bodily harm`)

    Now, the use of the word `or` at the end of 776.012 has a defininte meaning when reading statutes. In this case, it means use of deadly force is not tied to a Dwelling, Residence or Vehicle.

    So, if he can prove that a reasonable person would believe that he
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    xavroche Male 30-39
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    January 14, 2014 at 2:20 pm
    For SYG to be applied, the defense only has to prove that the shooter had reason to believe that the victim was going to assault him, independently of any reality.

    SYG was intended to protect people who acted in self defense from prosecution, which is fine. However, the law and past verdicts have fueled situations where individuals with firearms have felt empowered to provoke confrontation, sometimes even pushing for escalation, knowing that if it did escalate they would be legally justified in using deadly force.

    The ethical basis of allowing firearms for self defense is that they are a reactive element: you find yourself in a situation of clear danger and you are able to react to that situation and protect yourself/others because you have a firearm. However, if it is likely that that situation would have never arisen without the firearm, is there still an ethical justification to be armed?
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    uatme Male 18-29
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    January 14, 2014 at 2:27 pm
    @xavroche well put
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    drawman61 Male 50-59
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    January 14, 2014 at 2:46 pm
    As a former police captain he is supposed to be a professional and calm under pressure. Is it any wonder we see film everyday of officers abusing their positions with men like this in charge.
    He should be made an example of.
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    AvatarJohn Male 30-39
    1059 posts
    January 14, 2014 at 2:52 pm
    The only questions I have are, was the victim holding Skittles and an ice tea? Was he wearing a hoodie? If so, this perp was obviously a racist stalking predator. Case closed. ;P
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    whodat6484 Male 30-39
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    January 14, 2014 at 2:54 pm
    Fox News figured it out, it`s "Data Rage"
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    lauriloo Female 40-49
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    January 14, 2014 at 3:55 pm
    so essentially people with guns can kill anyone they want now. Thanks Koch brothers and NRA! Why worry about foreign terrorists anymore when we have so many domestic ones?
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    January 14, 2014 at 4:03 pm
    @whodat6484

    Kind of goes against your initial statement doesn`t it? I`ve seen it a few places your name doesn`t come to mind as to where I saw it first think facebook.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    January 14, 2014 at 4:04 pm
    He should be made an example of.

    By punishing him more than others guilty of the same if that`s the verdict? That`s exactly what`s wrong with the court system!
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    January 14, 2014 at 4:06 pm
    so essentially people with guns can kill anyone they want now.

    Are you missing the part of him being on trial for murder like all people who kill?
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    January 14, 2014 at 4:24 pm
    @Wendypants

    Ya like Karla Homolka........ a serial killer and rapist let go. Not like they had video evidence oh ya no they did sure she`s fit for society.....cause she did it to her sister and all.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    January 14, 2014 at 4:25 pm
    Arrrg Link*
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    xavroche Male 30-39
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    January 14, 2014 at 4:54 pm
    @McGovern: random off topic with Homolka... and poor comparison. First of all she pleaded guilty and served time. Clearly it was a scandal how little jail time she got, but the reason was that the prosecution was too focused on Bernardo`s conviction and were too willing to cut ridiculous plea deal to guarantee it.

    The debate here is on the validity of a law that allows people to be declared legally not guilty when they are arguably morally and ethically guilty. Since justice can be defined as moral and ethical righteousness, and since the law is there to defend justice, should this discrepancy be allowed to exist?
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    January 14, 2014 at 4:55 pm

    Haven`t looked into this, but IF... IF! the texter attacked him then he is entitled to stand his ground. Even if he started it by telling the texter to put the phone away.

    But with a theatre of people there he better have a few witnesses on his side or it won`t slide.
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    drawman61 Male 50-59
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    January 14, 2014 at 6:31 pm
    McG- I get your point but the fact that this guy`s career was based on upholding the law. So yes I think he should be punished more.
    Trouble is, we know how the old pals act works and he will probably get far less.
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    Daegog Male 30-39
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    January 14, 2014 at 10:06 pm
    If you flood a country with guns and let even senile old people have them, people will get killed.

    Is this really hard to understand?
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    January 15, 2014 at 5:39 am
    @xavroche

    Well I`d say someone being found not guilty because a jury like many others think it was self defense in the case she`s probably referring to. Is a lot less of an issue than a serial child rapist murderer being let off with a slap on a wrist because she plea bargened to provide evidence not needed. I`d say that means you should look at the Canadian legal system before bantering about how bad the US one is. So no not off topic.

    The debate here is on the validity of a law that allows people to be declared legally not guilty when they are arguably morally and ethically guilty

    In the case you`re probably referencing that`s an opinion and just that.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    January 15, 2014 at 5:41 am
    If you flood a country with guns and let even senile old people have them, people will get killed.

    Except this guys not senile and I never hear about senile old people going around shooting people...
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    normalfreak2 Male 18-29
    3392 posts
    January 17, 2014 at 4:03 am
    I dunno if an escalation over texting during a movie should have led to someone being shot and killed. His reason for standing his ground was because the guy threw popcorn at him? Oyyyyyyy...

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