Atheist Vs Christian [Pic]

Submitted by: SweepOfDeath 3 years ago in

Their views on life. Interesting way to look at it.
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Male 6,060
@Angilion,
Sorry. I think you misread my comment. I was refuting a comment that atheists don`t believe in anything by saying we believe in things, just not gods. I wasn`t saying it`s a *form* of belief. I finished the response with
"If you think a lack of belief in a god equates to a lack of belief in anything at all your view of the world is severely limited and dysfunctional." I was just trying to say that belief in God isn`t a requirement for belief in all the rest of the universe.
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Male 12,365
[quote]Better?[/quote]

Yes.

It`s completely different to your orginal comment, in which you stated that atheism is a form of belief and said that anyone who thinks it isn`t has a severely limited and dysfunctional view of the world.
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Male 3,231
wow, i have to reread Gore Vidals books to search for secret Christian backward masking.
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Male 6,060
Where did I go wrong?! (sniff)
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Male 4,745
Seems that both broizfam and Angilion are on the same page. Just a misunderstanding.
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Male 6,060
Angilion,
I think I may not have been clear in my comment and it`s causing confusion. I don`t mean that "Atheists" have "Beliefs". What I mean is that people who are atheists believe, individually, in whatever they want to believe, just not gods. There was no intent to imply that atheists, as a whole, are, in any sense, a cohesive group on anything more than that one issue.
Better?
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Male 12,365
[quote]Not sure if you`re saying I was wrong ("we believe in things..."), or the comment I was responding to.[/quote]

You. That`s why I quoted both the comment and your reply and wrote "They`re right. You`re wrong."

Atheism is not a belief in anything. You are wrong to say that it is.

Atheism is a lack of belief in any gods. It is nothing else. Individual atheists might or might not believe in other things, BUT THOSE OTHER THINGS ARE NOT ATHEISM.

Some atheists play tennis. Do you think that tennis is atheism?

Some atheists are left-handed. Do you think that being left-handed is atheism?

Some atheists are Swedish. Do you think that being Swedish is atheism?

I can`t be clearer than that. I am belabouring the point to the extent that it`s becoming quite silly.
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Male 6,060
@patchouly,
That was beautifully well said!
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Male 4,745
Angilion:
"Christians often go against their own book of orders *because* it`s utterly amoral and they`re trying to apply some morality (e.g. not murdering children for not being obedient enough)."
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This is one of the best arguments I`ve heard. If God and the Bible tells you it`s okay to stone your children for being disobedient (as an example), then what made us rise above that? Where did that additional morality come from? Clearly the additional morality is something we have created ourselves. It is a self applied morality that goes beyond God or religion; and if we are capable of that, we are capable of morality without God.
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Male 6,060
Angilion,
Not sure if you`re saying I was wrong ("we believe in things..."), or the comment I was responding to. What I was saying is that the one thing atheists, as a general group, don`t believe in is god(s). We don`t necessarily disbelieve everything exists, as a nihilist might. We may well have different beliefs, too. ie: I believe the sun, moon, stars, and this thread exists. I believe it is wrong to hurt others except in self defence. I believe it is right to help others in need when we can. So I believe in existence and have at least some moral code. Others may feel somewhat differently, of course. Atheists believe in things, then. Just not a god or gods. When the writer indicated his apparent belief that atheists have no belief in ANYTHING, he was wrong. When you state that atheism is a lack of belief in gods you`re actually quoting me. You`re comment that that`s ALL that atheism means is exactly my point.
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Male 12,365
[quote]"nope, wrong when it asserts atheism is a form of belief in anything."

Wrong. We believe in things. We DON`T believe in god(s).[/quote]

They`re right. You`re wrong.

Atheists might believe in things. But that`s not what atheism is. Atheism is a lack of belief in gods. Various atheists will think or do various other things, of course, but those other things are not atheism just because an atheist does them.

An atheist might, for example, believe that aliens visit Earth and make secret agreements with your government. That wouldn`t make that belief atheism.

An atheist might play tennis. That wouldn`t make tennis atheism.

An atheist might drink coffee with sugar in it. That wouldn`t make drinking coffee with sugar in it atheism.
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Male 12,365
[quote]When I think about it, the convenience of atheism is that I can do anything I want to other humans and I need not suffer long-term consequences. The lack of a divine purpose makes humans no more valuable than the mosquito I swat or the blade of grass I tread upon.

It really is liberating, isn`t it? What brand shall I place on human cattle?[/quote]

That has some relevance for bona fide megalomaniac sociopaths who get their jollies from power over and abuse of others and who can only be kept in check by fear.

Are you seriously arguing that you are like that and, by extension, that all theists are like that?

You`ve just argued exactly that, but did you meant to do so?

It would still be a foolish argument anyway, as religion is clearly a far superior choice for megalomaniac sociopaths who get their jollies from power over and abuse of others.
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Male 12,365
[quote]I`m atheist and I don`t agree with this. If people need to believe in something then fair enough. They`re not wrong or stupid, they just believe different things.[/quote]

If religion was a purely personal matter that had no effect on society, you`d have a point.

But it isn`t.

Consider, for example, someone believes that it`s everyone`s duty to preserve the purity of what they believe is the master race and ensure that the master race organisations dominate every aspect of life and impose the approved orders on everyone. There are people who believe that.

Random beliefs in things made up to acquire and impose power are not harmless. Claiming absolute authority for the orders (as any monotheist must do) makes it worse, not better.

It could also be argued that training people to think it`s a *good* thing to mindlessly accept things as true without any evidence is also harmful, even if the things themselves are not.
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Male 12,365
[quote]There is a HUGE difference in the "morality" of christians vs atheists. And atheists come out on the moral side every time because they don`t choose your morality for you. [/quote]

Yes, they do. That`s what the law is, essentially - imposed morality.

[quote]I say you can do what you want.[/quote]

I bet you don`t actually mean that. If you did, you would want all laws repealed. *All* of them, because every law is a statement that people cannot do what they want. Some people want to rape and murder children, for example. Do you *really* think they should be allowed to do what they want?

The huge difference is that Christianity, like almost all religions, is utterly amoral. Christians often go against their own book of orders *because* it`s utterly amoral and they`re trying to apply some morality (e.g. not murdering children for not being obedient enough).
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Male 12,365
[quote]I would agree that Atheism is a bad term to describe it, Nihilism is much better.[/quote]

It isn`t, since it already has a meaning and it`s not the same meaning.

If you want a new word, make one up rather than confusing the issue by misusing an existing word with a different meaning.

I suggest one that has a relevant etymology, of course. Greek would be a good choice - it`s a fairly common root for English words and it`s traditionally associated with matters of thought. You`d be looking for a word which describes the idea of a person who does not have any gods. So your roots would be `theos` (`gods`) and the prefix `a` (`without`). `atheos`. Anglicisation would make it `atheist` and `atheism`.

And we`re back to the beginning again.

Do you object to using Greek as the root language? If so, what about all the other English words with Greek roots? Would you replace those too?
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Male 12,365
[quote]Atheism only exists to mock God.[/quote]

Which one?

But you`re wrong anyway, obviously. Try thinking for a second - why do you think it make sense for any atheist, let alone all of them, to not believe in any gods solely for the purpose of mocking one of those gods they don`t believe exist?

[quote]If you don`t believe in anything you are a nihilist.[/quote]

You don`t know what atheism is. You don`t know what nihilism is. Why should anyone take you seriously on this subject?


[quote]Without an absolute anyone can claim any morality they want in time and justify it based on preference.[/quote]

Which is exactly what theists do. They just add a false claim to absolute authority for the "morality" they make up.

Religion is amoral, anyway. It`s about obedience regardless of what is right or wrong, i.e. what is moral. Religion has absolute disregard for morality.
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Male 729
@Zuriel

"stay small"

What of it? Whether I am "small" or otherwise makes no difference. I come to get what I can get and I shall not be punished? Do you expect your internet "morality" is enough to stop me from reaping the very real rewards that I enjoy by disciplining myself to disregard the feeling of like beings?

No. I recommend people give it a try. There`s nothing at stake, everything to gain.
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Male 500
"Why not just stop giving people who are married special treatment makes a lot more sense."

On the contrary. We have been taught in social studies that a family is the single most important building block of a sovereign nation/state/society/culture. You get the point. So yes, families should by all means be supported. I am not against same sex partnerships, but I do think that a child producing traditional marriage should be preferred and supported.

Also, out of curiosity: we have a law regarding "common household" which basically states that a couple sharing a household for a year can apply for this paper and gain several privileges of a married couple (last will, medical documentary sharing, common property and stuff. all except anything that has to do with children and i think it does not allow for a tax cut, but other than that...). Do you have something like that?
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Male 14,331
[quote]"Why do YOU care"?[/quote]

I don`t. I just find the process pointless if you need a piece of paper saying you`re now together forever you might be looking to compensate for something missing. Which is probably why well over half end in divorce.

@SmagBoy1

All those thing apply to unmarried couples living together too. Why not just stop giving people who are married special treatment makes a lot more sense.
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Male 409
I cute exercise, but many of the statements come off as disjointed and not flowing well. If they had trimmed it down it would have been better.

Beyond being an interesting exercise, it is not really a good statement of the different beliefs. "The more you have the happier you will be" is not part of atheism, and the Christian side is a hardline doctrine, and not representative of most Christians I know.
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Male 4,431
Actually marriage is a HUGE deal. Why? Because of all of the rights and privileges that come along with it. There are HUGE financial penalties levied of same-sex partners in the cases of property and resource transfer that are non-existent with opposite-sex marriage. That doesn`t even approach healthcare rights, insurance privileges, various rates for services, etc. Let`s not pretend that it`s not a significant and real civil rights issue. Anyone who does is being willfully ignorant.

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Male 4,745
McGovern1981:
"If you`re Atheist why are you so hung up on a overpriced religious ceremony that no one wants to go to for a piece of paper that says together forever. "
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Not a religious ceremony at all. It`s a deceleration of commitment. I married my wife at city hall, before a judge. No God required.

The issue is not "Why does HE care?" it`s "Why do YOU care"? What difference does it make to you if two people get married? For him, he`s not allowed a basic human right, for you , no harm done. That`s the big difference here.
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Male 6,060
@McGovern1981,
Not all marriages come with a religious ceremony. He`s also not allowed to have a civil marriage. Also, while I`m an atheist I have no expectation that I`m better than anyone who hasn`t proven themselves a lesser human than I. it has nothing at all to do with whether the other person believes in a god or gods. You`re right, though, in that there are atheists who think that way. There are also "believers" who feel they are better than atheists purely because of their belief. Some of them are pretty awful examples of human beings, unfortunately.
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Male 14,331
[quote]denying me my marriage to a man." [/quote]

If you`re Atheist why are you so hung up on a overpriced religious ceremony that no one wants to go to for a piece of paper that says together forever.


Atheism: The believe you`re beter than people who believe there might be something more after death and to this life because a book told you so. Which sound a lot like what you banter on about constantly.
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Male 6,060
@Agent00Smith,
"Atheism only exists to mock God."
How can atheism mock God when there is no God? The comment makes no sense. Also, there`s rather more to nihilism than just a lack of belief in god(s). I`m an atheist, not a nihilist.

@SmagBoy1,
I thought it was linguistically clever in that it can be read forward or backward and make sense to the reader. Beyond that I`m with you all the way.
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Male 4,431
broizfam, I think the point is that there`s no "we" when speaking about atheists, other than that "we" don`t believe in a God/Gods who created, etc., the universe, world, whatever. Otherwise, there`s no common belief system, no dogma, no core philosophy, etc., that binds us. We`re all completely separate save for that one belief.

It`s like saying that all blondes have a particular set of beliefs, etc. They don`t. The only thing they all have in common is that they`re blonde. Doesn`t mean "they" don`t believe in things, just not some overarching, unifying belief as those in an organized religion might.
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Male 6,060
@McDuff73,
"nope, wrong when it asserts atheism is a form of belief in anything."

Wrong. We believe in things. We DON`T believe in god(s). If you think a lack of belief in a god equates to a lack of belief in anything at all your view of the world is severely limited and dysfunctional.
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Male 892
"the convenience of atheism" I`m going to get that tattooed over my butt.
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Male 1,380
Very well said Viking864. I couldn`t agree more.
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Male 1,449
If you prefer to believe in something that helps you through life then more power to you as long as you do not try to force me to agree.

I am an atheist but I do appreciate and recognize that religions do indeed do some good. IMO people are always quick to point out the one whacked minister that raped a child but never say anything about the other 99 that helped those who truly needed help.
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Male 4,431
PopCap, if you need a "god" to know that your proposal is not only illogical and against the nature of society, then you`re the exact reason why laws are necessary.

Intelligent, thinking people don`t need threat of eternal damnation from some mean-spiriting, all-knowing, all-powerful assmunch to know the difference between right and wrong. Those using religion as crutch have created far more death and destruction in this world in the name of religion than any other `belief` system. Well, except maybe for unfettered capitalism, but, of course, that`s just another religion...
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Male 554
@PopCap

stay small
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Male 729
When I think about it, the convenience of atheism is that I can do anything I want to other humans and I need not suffer long-term consequences. The lack of a divine purpose makes humans no more valuable than the mosquito I swat or the blade of grass I tread upon.

It really is liberating, isn`t it? What brand shall I place on human cattle?
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Male 892
This is the longest run-on sentence I`ve read all week. Adding some punctuation it could read as:

God does not exist.
It is just foolish to think.

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Male 4,745
Gerry1of1:
"denying me my marriage to a man."
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This is a crime. One of the MANY things that makes me mad when I take my stance against religion. People can say "I believe one thing and they believe another. No harm done." But the truth is there are people like you who have had their human rights denied. There are people like my Daughter who have a hard time because of the rejection she receives when friends find out she is an atheist. Not to mention the nonstop evil perpetrated in the name of religions around the globe. It is evil to the core. Instead of being passive, we need to be aggressive. It needs to be wiped out. The ignorance and hate needs to be removed. Of course, I would not advocate the same terrors they use. In our case, being vocal and being honest is the only way to pass the word around. The more of us there are, the easier it is for others to escape religion`s grasp.
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Male 4,431
@emmettyville: you say that this is clever an that obviously an atheist wrote it. Clearly wrong on both counts. First, it`s not clever. At all. Otherwise it would stand up far better as something that *might* have actually been written by an atheist. But, instead, it`s just inane.

Second, as you can see by the responses here, none of the atheists agree with it. At all. For myriad reasons.
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Male 4,431
I`m an atheist and this is a bunch of rubbish. Further, as much as this poster might like to assume that "atheists" are a group of people under a belief system, we`re not. The only thing we have in common is that we don`t believe in a God or Gods. That`s it.
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Male 892
@Gerry -- it`s "au contraire"
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Female 97
I`m atheist and I don`t agree with this. If people need to believe in something then fair enough. They`re not wrong or stupid, they just believe different things.
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Female 4,359
clever. obviously an atheist wrote this.
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Male 39,531

Demstar_Aus, [quote]"neither Christians or Atheists have an absolute basis for morality"[/quote]
Oh, contraire... or however they say that in French. I am an atheist and I do have an absolute basis for morality. . . for me. I know right and wrong, black form white. I know what is moral and amoral. But that`s "me". I live in a black and white world of right or wrong. And it only applies to "me" and mine.

Christians on the other hand have a morality that contradicts their own Holy Scriptures and want to impose that view on everyone else. Ex: Bible marriage is multiple wives 1 husband. But Christians INSIST a marriage is 1man/1woman denying me my marriage to a man.
I say you can do what you want.
Christians say "do what THEY want".

There is a HUGE difference in the "morality" of christians vs atheists. And atheists come out on the moral side every time because they don`t choose your morality for you.
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Female 179
Agent00Smith - There is a fallacy there... neither Christians or Atheists have an absolute basis for morality or reality. Morality doesn`t come from the book. Yours doesn`t, neither does mine.
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Male 39,531

Agent00Smith, [quote]"Atheism only exists to mock God."[/quote]
No, Atheism exists to mock Christians. And despite their high opinion of themselves, they are not "God" or even "godlike".
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Male 4,745
Agent00Smith:
"Atheism only exists to mock God. If you don`t believe in anything you are a nihilist. Without an absolute anyone can claim any morality they want in time and justify it based on preference."
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Wait...What?!? Did they teach to say that in Bible class? Morality is based on the fact that we need to co-exist on this planet. We need to get along and do right by each other. I shouldn`t steal and rob because that makes it okay for someone to steal and rob from me. Also, there is the whole conscience thing. That`s not God talking to you. We all have that.

In no way does lack of belief in fairytales make someone a nihilist. You bible thumpers come up with the funniest stories to explain away the facts and make it okay that you have been brainwashed.
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Male 2,578
I would agree that Atheism is a bad term to describe it, Nihilism is much better. Neil DeGrasse Tyson actually said that the term "atheist" was a strange one, saying that people who don`t golf aren`t called "agolifists".

But without something to define what morality is, it is all relative. That means each of us can make up whatever we want morality to be. That means it can be anything, which means it doesn`t really matter. That means it doesn`t exist. Nihilism.

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Male 2,579
Atheism only exists to mock God. If you don`t believe in anything you are a nihilist. Without an absolute anyone can claim any morality they want in time and justify it based on preference.
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Male 108
It`s a cool read but completely BS viewpoint on atheism. I would say that if you talk to most atheists, you would not find that they value material items any more or less than the average person and would have a strong sense of morality that is just based on what is right.
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Male 2,578
I think an atheist should write God instead of gods when referring to the Christian god, just like Zeus or Allah. It makes sense, and then there`s an assumption in historically Christian countries that you`re referring to the Christian God when they say "Do you believe in God", but even that could just as well be extended to mean "Do you believe in (a/any) God(s)". So it`s kind of just splitting hairs. We get it, evangelical atheists are cutting edge with their minor linguistically nuances.
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Male 39,531

First Commandmanet: "I am the Lord thy God. Thou shalt have no other gods before Me."

I`m sorry... does that sound like He his acknowledging there ARE other gods but He must be the First one. No other gods "BEFORE" me. Not "No other gods" period. ? ? ?



hmmmmmmmm
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Male 12,365
I see three errors, two major and one minor;

1) The "atheist" direction reads "in a world with no God, there is freedom to be who I want to be, but with God everything is fine". That`s obviously not a point of view of someone who states "I will live my life according to these beliefs" and states "God does not exist" as the first of those beliefs.

2) There are many atheists who do not believe that no gods exist. Atheists do not believe that gods exist. That is very different to believing that no gods exist. One is a belief, the other is a lack of belief. Opposite viewpoints in an important way.

3) A Christian would write "God" when describing their own views. An atheist would write "gods" because they don`t believe in any of the hundreds of gods that people have made up and obviously can`t place one above all others (so no capital `g`).
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Male 871
nope, wrong when it asserts atheism is a form of belief in anything.
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Male 40,277
Ooo, clever!

Probably written by an Evangelical Christian...
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Male 39,531

Clever. Not an accurate view of Atheism, but it`s a kind of poetry in it`s own way. Reading one thing one way yet reading the opposite when read the other way. Yes, I would have to call this modern poetry. Wordsmithing as an art.

Actaully, as an atheist, I really don`t spend that much time thinking about gods or demons. I just get on with the reality of life.
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Male 303
@llaa
not really. Athiest dont belive in Thor or Wishnu, Mars, Apollo, Shiva... so on so forth eather.
That was tho a good example.
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Male 510
You can most likely do something like that with any diametrically opposed viewpoints about the same subject. Still a pretty interesting read though.
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Male 1,692
That`s pretty deep.

So like both are backwards to one another.
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Male 938
Link: Atheist Vs Christian [Pic] [Rate Link] - Their views on life. Interesting way to look at it.
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