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50 Responses to Truth In Media: Vaccine Court And Autism

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    SweepOfDeath Male 18-29
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    December 8, 2013 at 3:38 pm
    Link: Truth In Media: Vaccine Court And Autism - A look at Vaccine Court established by Congress in 1985 and what it has meant for families of vaccine injured children.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    December 8, 2013 at 4:13 pm

    I need the numbers here to make sense of that.
    Is it 1 in a million the kid gets autism WITH a vaccinatin, but 1 in a half-million the kid gets polio WITHOUT ?

    This was very good paranoia making drama, but only a few of the facts in the whole story...it is NOT the whole story.
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    h2oxy Male 18-29
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    December 8, 2013 at 4:15 pm
    Stopped watching 30 seconds in. The very premise of this argument is moot, politics and the courts have nothing to do with whether or not a hypothesis is correct, if this guy started talking about medical evidence rather than the completely irrelevant event of the government coreving its ass then I would`ve kept watching.
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    Bakcagain21 Male 18-29
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    December 8, 2013 at 4:32 pm
    I`ll bet Crakrjak is against Vaccines? Any takers?
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    djwajda Male 40-49
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    December 8, 2013 at 4:45 pm
    Ok it starts off with wrong information right from the start. Crazy Jenny believes 100% in NOT vaccinating your kids where he claims she says the opposite.

    I carry the gene for Angelman`s syndrome. My wife carries the gene for Rett syndrome. THAT is how my daughter ended up the way she is.
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    djwajda Male 40-49
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    December 8, 2013 at 4:48 pm
    And believe me I did a TON of research for the first year after she was diagnosed, which included the whole vaccine thing.
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    emmettyville Female 40-49
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    December 8, 2013 at 4:54 pm
    argh. For people who vaccinate...If it`s so f ucking safe, why is there this vaccine injury programme, and why did the government remove liability to big pharma if and when their products injure people? this, alone people, is enough for you to immediately question the safety of a product. would you drive a car that has had all liabilty towards the company that makes it put into law? would you eat something that comes with the knowledge that there is a compensation programme in place to dole out money to people that have specifically injured eating that food? I sure as hell wouldn`t. Yet you shoot this s hit into your newborn children? It`s not just autism btw, it`s the numerous other illnesses like cancer, lukemia, diabetes and even DEATH that are associated with vaccinating.
    All that stuff at the end about your rights under the constitution made me laugh!
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    Kain1 Male 18-29
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    December 8, 2013 at 5:07 pm
    @emmettyville:
    No one ever said that vaccines are 100% safe. There are risks, yes even (rarely) of death. But NOT vaccinating children makes them susceptible to a wide range of dangerous diseases, some of which can do permanent damage, and even cause death. The thing is, the vaccine itself has a very low risk of injury, while not vaccinating children has a much higher risk of injury.

    There is no such thing as 100% safety, but choosing the very low risk from vaccines over the relatively much higher risk of debilitating, and PREVENTABLE diseases is an absolute no-brainer.
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    robb79 Male 18-29
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    December 8, 2013 at 5:25 pm
    Wow. Never a boring conversation here. Not everything is a conspiracy. Don`t get vaccinated. Good luck with polio or measles.
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    sjaakwortel Male 18-29
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    December 8, 2013 at 5:37 pm
    Its so sad that most people dont know how vaccines work, this has much to do with education and other causes of general ignorance.
    Like many have said before me, vaccines do not cause autism, this is a statistical occurrence, correlation does mean causation(btw I think that most autism diagnoses are bullpoo).
    The second more important part of the need to vaccinate is called herd immunity, simply put, by making vaccinating everybody the viruses do not get any chance to develop any further(that is why normal farmers hate farmers that don`t use pesticides, creating festering oasis of illness, do you want your child to be that place?).
    By vaccinating as much people as possible we protect the ones that can`t(for medical reasons), the more people not vaccinated the more risk.
    So, please, vaccinating is not a choice you make for your child, but for the whole population.
    (And the diseases that we are protecting our children and ourselves from really are worth the few side
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    Bakcagain21 Male 18-29
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    December 8, 2013 at 5:37 pm
    @emmettyville Vaccines are not a 100% safe. It`s something like 1 in a million will react badly. But there is no link with Autism, and it`s people taking advantage of people in a bad position looking to blame someone why this evidencless rumour has persisted.

    Gov. puts Vaccines through many different regulatory systems to make sure they`re safe. For them to be effective you need a herd immunity, so you need mass immunisation.

    Why do the pharmaceuticals not have liability, because gov. needs them to make vaccines. Think about it, if you made a vaccine that passed all the stringent safety checks then you did a civil case where a bunch of non-scientists swayed by emotion you make you give millions in compensation. why would you do it?

    Another question what financial imperative is there for vaccines to give people diseases? Not be safer to have a placebo and none of these unfounded links messing up your business plan?
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    llaa Male 30-39
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    December 8, 2013 at 6:50 pm
    The program host looks like an early sunday morning televangelist, i.e. he wants your money.
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    lauriloo Female 40-49
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    December 8, 2013 at 6:53 pm
    It`s a coincidence that kids are diagnosed with autism around the same time they start getting vaccinated. Now that there are tests to detect it even sooner, people will start blaming formula or breast milk because people just HAVE to blame something when bad poo happens (and rely on an imaginary being to save them from it). Reality is tough for some people to deal with.

    FWIW_ info on Vaccine Court

    Discusses how two cases were determined to NOT be vaccine related. I don`t know if there actually were other cases.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    December 8, 2013 at 9:02 pm

    So, if I have this logic right, In an effort to prevent your child from getting autism you will expose him to polio, small pox, chicken pox, typhoid, diphtheria, whooping cough, measles, rubella, etc.

    That makes perfect sense.

    NOT
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    Angilion Male 40-49
    12390 posts
    December 8, 2013 at 9:15 pm
    It`s even worse than that, Gerry, because they`re putting *everyone* at risk.

    Only two contagious diseases have been eradicated and only one of them affects humans. All the others are suppressed by modern technology and medicine and vaccination is one of the most important parts of that. The more people who aren`t vaccinated, the greater the chance of outbreaks that could overcome resistance in vaccinated people and the greater the chance of mutations that will make it even worse.

    These draters could kill us all with their ignorance.

    It`s especially galling that it all stems from a fake study. Yes, fake. As in not true. Made up.

    Anyone who won`t vaccinate their children should go watch a kid dying of whooping cough or measles or any other disease vaccination prevents and imagine not just their own kid dying like that but millions of other people too.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    December 8, 2013 at 9:20 pm
    Or how about the big one - smallpox.

    It killed 400,000,000 people in the first 80 years of the 20th century alone.

    Four hundred million people. In 80 years.

    The one and only reason it isn`t still killing even more people (it`s highly infectious and population density and travel are higher now) is vaccination. That`s it. That`s what ended smallpox.

    And you anti-vaccination people would have stopped that happening. You are a bona fide threat to human civilisation.
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    December 8, 2013 at 10:12 pm
    If you want to get elected, just repeat after me:

    "It`s not your fault."
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    emmettyville Female 40-49
    4345 posts
    December 8, 2013 at 10:52 pm
    erg, all these comments make you guys look really ignorant. There is literally MOUNTAINS of evidence to PROVE vaccinations are horrific and that they do a lot of damage worldwide. trouble is, you dont want to look at the information. :(
    However, i have 6 very healthy unvaccinated children who are models of good health and vigor and vim, so i`m not really bothered by what you guys choose to do. It`s sad to think that you ignorantly damgae yourselves and your children, but there is only so much you can show people before you have to give up and let them do their own thing.
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    emmettyville Female 40-49
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    December 8, 2013 at 11:03 pm
    good info
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    emmettyville Female 40-49
    4345 posts
    December 8, 2013 at 11:05 pm
    autism studies re vaccinations
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    emmettyville Female 40-49
    4345 posts
    December 8, 2013 at 11:07 pm
    more vaccination tomfoolery
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    emmettyville Female 40-49
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    December 8, 2013 at 11:08 pm
    I could go on endlessly, but I dont want to be accused of spamming :)
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    djwajda Male 40-49
    885 posts
    December 8, 2013 at 11:31 pm
    Yeah, 6 healthy unvaccinated children until they end up exposed to the very diseases that vaccinations stop.
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    llaa Male 30-39
    1664 posts
    December 8, 2013 at 11:34 pm
    I have cousins with aspergers / autism spectrum disorder. Their parent has it as well. Judging that the parent was born in the 40s before MMR vaccines, Id say autism is genetic. Genetics sucks, its why I developed arthritis after a bad fall.
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    madduck Female 50-59
    7421 posts
    December 8, 2013 at 11:50 pm
    vaccinate your children- the evidence is overwhelming... Courts are not the correct body to decide if a vaccine works or not they deal with different issues. I have to say that I am a strong believer in mandatory vaccination for children- do it or lose your children. If you refuse you ARE either an idiot or a bad person...
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    Draculya Male 40-49
    14544 posts
    December 8, 2013 at 11:59 pm
    Vaccination for some diseases can be elective, e.g. flu vaccine. Some are required by people in some jobs, e.g. anthrax for service personnel and terrorism responders, but should be voluntary for the general population. Some vaccines are necessary because the morbidity and mortality demand it.

    Other vaccines, such as MMR, polio, smallpox, are essential because it means that we may wipe out hideous diseases. The same thing applies to compulsory medication for Tuberculosis.

    These vaccinations and treatments must be left to those government departments that know best. Don`t plead `freedom` or `religious obligations`; people should have no right to refuse.

    Government authorities are there to assess all the pros and cons and make directives. I accept that there may be political bias introduced by medical lobbyists and vaccine manufacturers. However, there are times when we just have to trust to science and the government and this is one of them.
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    paperduck Male 18-29
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    December 9, 2013 at 12:41 am
    This is one area you don`t need hardcore statistical analysis or a degree in biochemistry to figure out. At one time millions of people suffered and died from small pox or polio annually, and today it`s virtually non-existent. What happened? What made that change possible? Next look around you, how many vaccinated people are there and how many of them lead healthy lives? Most of the ones I know, by a very long shot, including myself.
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    BG77 Male 30-39
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    December 9, 2013 at 1:13 am
    @emmetyville are you seriously trying to use naturalnews.com as a credible source? really? it`s ill-informed people like you, who endanger the lives not only of your own children but the lives of those who cannot be vaccinated as well. you genuinely disgust me.
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    LordJim Male 60-69
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    December 9, 2013 at 4:33 am
    This is actually dangerous nonsense. Vaccinate your kids or keep them the hell away from the rest of us.
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    Kalimata Male 30-39
    661 posts
    December 9, 2013 at 6:39 am
    @emmettyville:

    I think you need to cast your net a little wider than a single website for comprehensive and truthful information. Please if you can provide any articles from The Lancet, or any other credible medical or scientific journal that support your argument, let fly.

    You will not further the validity of your argument citing an article where the author refers to scientists and medical professionals who argue against his point as "...like Hitler`s minions, relish in aiding and abetting a real-life holocaust that`s harming millions of children around the globe..."

    If you can provide us with legitimate scientific and medical study reports that have been peer reviewed and published in any of the recognized and respected publications I will immediately take up your banner and fight for your cause. I`m not really all that worried though...


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    kree_ Male 30-39
    990 posts
    December 9, 2013 at 7:53 am
    >Manufacturers are not required to disclose known risks to those vaccinated.

    I don`t see how this is an issue. It is your doctor`s responsibility to discuss known risks with you and make sure they have informed consent.
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    aroc91 Male 18-29
    182 posts
    December 9, 2013 at 8:44 am
    @emmettyville

    Many subsequent epidemiological studies have contradicted the Wakefield study (which was retracted due to made up data). There is no reliable causal link between vaccines and any of the illnesses you listed.
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
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    December 9, 2013 at 9:26 am
    @Emmityville: That crackpot website doesn`t even list the sources it claims exist. All it does is direct you to some page that doesn`t have actual studies, just more crackpot articles. There is absolutely no evidence linking vaccines to autism, they generally don`t give vaccines with thiomersol to children anyway, and thiomersol is not the same as actual mercury. You and your children are the problem, reducing herd immunity with your ignorant dumbassery.

    I`m disappointed you`ve managed to procreate so much.
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    paperduck Male 18-29
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    December 9, 2013 at 11:27 am
    I just want to say that while I advocate mandatory vaccination, I still think emettyville has the right to decline/sign a waiver etc. and you guys should ease up on the comments. With wide penetration of the vaccine, it makes it less likely the few that aren`t vaccinated to get infected.
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    kree_ Male 30-39
    990 posts
    December 9, 2013 at 11:40 am
    @paperduck, the question is children`s rights. Should children be denied protection because of their parents beliefs? A lack of vaccination could result in death, does that count as negligence? child endangerment?
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    madduck Female 50-59
    7421 posts
    December 9, 2013 at 12:06 pm
    This is one solid case when an individuals right to believe what they choose must be ignored because of the effect on all of us. People who do not vaccinate only get away with it because most people still do...if the idea that it is safe not to vaccinate spreads then watch measles become a killer again. holding that opinion is dangerous- not for emettyville (who probably is vaccinated herself) - but for her children- and other poor children with stupid or bad parents.
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    LordJim Male 60-69
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    December 9, 2013 at 12:59 pm
    `I still think emettyville has the right to decline/sign a waiver etc.`

    But her kids stay away from mine,right? Home-schooled and remote.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
    12390 posts
    December 9, 2013 at 1:51 pm
    There is literally MOUNTAINS of evidence to PROVE vaccinations are horrific and that they do a lot of damage worldwide. trouble is, you dont want to look at the information. :(

    So you provide links to a single conspiracy "theory" website to demonstrate these MOUNTAINS of evidence.

    I can do better than that to support the claim tha Earth is ruled by alien lizards in disguise.

    Part of the reason why you still have 6 children is other people vaccinating their children. Prior to vaccination, you`d probably only have 4 children now. Or none and you`d be dead too, if an epidemic had struck. And that`s what you`re risking for everyone.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
    12390 posts
    December 9, 2013 at 1:56 pm
    I just want to say that while I advocate mandatory vaccination, I still think emettyville has the right to decline/sign a waiver etc. and you guys should ease up on the comments.

    People like her kill people and may kill human civilisation. She puts everyone at risk with her bullpoo conspiracy nutjobbery.

    I think people are being too easy on her.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
    12390 posts
    December 9, 2013 at 2:01 pm
    if the idea that it is safe not to vaccinate spreads then watch measles become a killer again. holding that opinion is dangerous- not for emettyville (who probably is vaccinated herself) - but for her children- and other poor children with stupid or bad parents.

    Not just them - the more hosts there are for pathogens, the more likely it is that one or more of them will mutate into something different enough to circumvent resistance granted by vaccination.

    These people threaten everyone. A pandemic could kill even more people nowadays and civilisation wouldn`t hold up. There have been nation-wide 50% death rates from outbreaks in the past. No developed country could take that nowadays. Civilisation would go down.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
    12390 posts
    December 9, 2013 at 2:13 pm
    Herd immunity

    is a very relevant thing. The anti-vaccination people only need ~10% and they can start getting a lot of people dead, starting with children first of course.

    Anyone who thinks I`m overstating the case should go and look at pre-adult mortality rates in the past.

    But most of all, they should watch children dying of the diseases that they are trying to make a major threat again, the diseases that they are putting other people at risk of.

    If you want to reduce human population, there are less dangerous and more honest ways to do it. But in entirely psycopathic terms, you`re going about it the right way, in that it`s the way that has the best chance of success. Advocating mass-scale killings directly is hardly likely to succeed. Advocating mass-scale killings by disguising it as a health issue might.
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    Tiredofnicks Male 30-39
    5101 posts
    December 9, 2013 at 2:42 pm
    Oh just I love these "spot-the-conspiracy-theorist" topics.

    My two condensed cents on the subject: Infant and child vaccinations should be mandatory everywhere. Refusal to do so should be classed as gross neglect of a child. The argument "My children has played near traffic all their lives and hasn`t ever been hurt" is invalid.
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    FyreKitteh Female 30-39
    33 posts
    December 9, 2013 at 5:21 pm
    Angilion, I was going to talk about herd immunity but you beat me to it. Sadly Australian vaccination rates have fallen significantly and herd immunity no longer applies in many cases. We are waiting for a deadly outbreak here of something that could be easily prevented
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    Fml Male 30-39
    233 posts
    December 9, 2013 at 7:23 pm
    I would never defend pharmaceutical companies, they are ruthless money driven organizations. However while it is true that they make a large percentage of their profits through vaccines the really profitable vaccines are not the mandatory vaccines discussed here, but rather the specialized targeted vaccines and the specific outbreak vaccines i.e. H1N1. They are drugs that given their quick demand and slow supply availability can be extremely expensive and sometimes bought by governments on short notice. Once you take these vaccines out of the equation the regular mandatory vaccines make the pharmaceuticals close to no profit, they are relatively cheap and with minimum margins due to the competition. Bottom line Pharma would not invest in lobbing, lying, conspiring for those vaccines*. Meanwhile naturalnews does make a profit selling snake oil to ignorant people The global alternative medicine sector is expected to reach close to $115 billion by 2015
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    Fml Male 30-39
    233 posts
    December 9, 2013 at 7:32 pm
    *They do constantly lobby, lie and conspire in sake of profit, just not on this particular subject.
    And I completely agree with Angilion, we as a society are too easy on emettyville and her type. People who put the whole of civilization at risk should not be allowed to raise children or reproduce further. And if they are so against science and progress they should also not be permitted to benefit from anything derived from it. i.e. no internet for you! Disseminate your Naturalnews naturally with smoke signals the way mother nature intended.
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    kree_ Male 30-39
    990 posts
    December 9, 2013 at 8:21 pm
    FML,

    Don`t diss snake oil. Chinese water snakes are a great source of omega 3 fatty acids.
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    PopCap Male 30-39
    730 posts
    December 9, 2013 at 9:51 pm
    I think it is funny how people think that giving a child a vaccine will allow the child to descend into an autistic state right in front of their eyes as if the kid was just juiced with heroin. WTF??? Even little kids wouldn`t fall for that bullspit. Funking grown-ups. Who lets them out of their cages? Then there`s the douches who can`t discriminate between toxicity and autism. Yes, vaccines can have a toxic effect. A foreign chemical is being injected into the body. Even water can kill when injected. Vaccines can be very dangerous. Autism is not one of those dangers. Stupid. Flucking Magnets? How do they work?
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    Angilion Male 40-49
    12390 posts
    December 9, 2013 at 9:56 pm
    Vaccines can be very dangerous.

    Really? I suppose there would be rare allergic reactions to vaccines, but that`s true for anything.

    In any case, even if vaccines just straight up killed some people it would still be safer to vaccinate than to not. The diseases vaccines protect humanity from would kill many more.
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    Profworm Male 30-39
    379 posts
    December 10, 2013 at 11:55 am
    Symptoms of autism become noticeable at almost the exact same time as a baby`s first vaccination. Vaccination is not the cause, just a correlation.
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    kree_ Male 30-39
    990 posts
    December 10, 2013 at 3:28 pm
    The anti vaccine crowd does have one good point. Many vaccines do have mild temporary side effects. low grade fevers, rashes etc. Some countries administer as much as 40 vaccines. Since most of these diseases are quite rare (thanks vaccines) wouldn`t spacing the vaccines out over a several month or a years period make sense? there is no point in compounding multiple reactions.

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