SC Sheriff Won`t Lower Flag For Mandela

Submitted by: SmagBoy1 3 years ago

But he"s not racist. Or xenophobic. He"s just proud of our flag. Or something.
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Male 10,339
No 5Cats. Bush took Nelson Mandela off the list himself. His party is still there.
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Male 36,437
[quote]His political group, the African National congress, is still to this day on the Terror watch list[/quote]
@AuburnJunky: I heard that Bush took the ANC off the list, since so many South African politicians were or had been members and it was a diplomatic nightmare... I think it was 2003?

It`s very true: Mandella backed a LOT of very radical militant groups, like the PLO! Overt terrorism was, in his mind, a good thing!
After all, it`s what HE himself had done!

Hey, at least he was consistent.

@SmagBoy1: I`m sure that when Bush SUGGESTED (that`s all the PotUS can do) lowering the flag for the Pope`s death? LOTS of government institutions did NOT do so.
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Male 7,347
SmagBoy1-"It`s not the words coming out of Republican mouths that are racist"

Oh, you mean like:
"A few years ago, He (Barack Obama) would have been getting us coffee." (oh yeah, that was Bill Clinton)
"Mahatma Gandhi ran a gas station down in Saint Louis." (oops, that was Hillary)
"Blacks and Hispanics are too busy eating watermelons and tacos to learn how to read and write." (oops, Mike Wallace, CBS News)
"You f*cking Jew [email protected]" (oops, Hillary again)
"I`ve seen a lot of white n*ggers in my time." (Klansman and Democrat US Senator Robert Byrd)
"White folks was in the caves while we was building empires"-Sharpton

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Male 10,339
Mandela was like, the anti-MLK. He makes Malcolm X at his worst look like the Dalai Lama.
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Male 10,339
Yitzhak Rabin = Huge American Ally.
Winston Churchill = Huge American Ally
Pope John Paul = The freaking POPE!

Mandela = an amazing individual, who did great things for black people in his country. Also, a staunch anti-American and a supporter of Sadaam Hussein. His political group, the African National congress, is still to this day on the Terror watch list, and he is an admitted supporter of Communism.

See?
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Male 96
Mandela was a Murderer and a Terrorist who served 17 years in prison for that.Why should people selebrate him?
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Male 1,983
Ollie ~ And once again you prove yourself to be an ill informed idiot.....
Even when the information is spoon fed to you.
Obviously, like most conservatives, you have the retention of a brain damaged goldfish.

To Repeat:
Lydon Johnson did it for Winston Churchill
Bill Clinton did it for Yitzhak Rabin
George Bush Jr. did it for John Paul II

You truly are a stunningly stupid individual.

Btw; Idiots like you use the word "Communist" so often I doubt you even know what the word truly means anymore.

To call some one elected by popular vote, Who effectively ended the equivalent of slavery in his country, and who instituted a multicultural democracy in it`s wake is FAR from qualifying as a "commie".
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Male 4,431
MeGrendel, you got it all figured out. It`s not the words coming out of Republican mouths that are racist, it`s the terrible, mean MSM! Let`s see, what`s the "most-watched" "news" agency? By far? That`s what I thought...
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Male 15,832
We never lower the flag for foreign leaders, and particularly not for anti-American commies.
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Male 7,347
SmagBoy1-"I don`t recall anyone complaining back then and I do recall many, MANY people complaining about it this time."

You didn`t HEAR it because the news media did not deem it important enough for you to know. After all, they couldn`t make it a Race issue, so why bother?

SmagBoy1-"Perhaps because it`s widely perceived that many Republicans/Conservatives are racist?

And it`s PERCEIVED, which bears no resemblance to fact. (in fact, the preponderance of the evidence would point to the other party/political viewpoint being the racist one. Why, the last KKK member in Congress was a Democrat)

It`s liberals that push that perception. The media has a well known media bias.

And where exactly did you hear that Republicans/Conservatives are racist? (PROBABLY the media)
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Male 2,436
Anybody read the link?

"This year, Obama issued a statement expressing his condolences for the death of former British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher. But he did not order the flag lowered."

Obama is a sexist! This is outrageous!

/sarcasm
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Male 3,364
Sigh...no, it doesn`t say it "has" to, but that it can. Auburnjunky simply didn`t know that.
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Male 2,390
Flag code says it doesn`t have to be lowered.. so there..
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Male 14,774
I wouldn`t lower the flag either.
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Male 2,085
God took the wrong black leader.
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Male 10,339
I`m not the only one saying that JT.
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Male 1,293
What an arrogant, stupid, ignorant and racist assumption, that someone is racist because he won`t lower a US flag for a foreign leader.

Mandela did great work in the political changes in RSA. He fought correctly (if violently) against a regime which dehumanised, repressed and impoverished all but a minority of the population, but he also excused and even expressed support for communism, a repressive political ideology that dehumanises all people, repressing and impoverishing all but an even smaller minority of the population of every country in which communists govern.

So people can disagree with Mandela regardless of his race. It is not common etiquette that a foreign national who had little influence on the US should have the flag lowered in the USA, irrespective of the regard in which he is held.

The idea that flags must be lowered worldwide for Mandela is pathetic, juvenile sentimentality.
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Male 2,436
So I was outside yesterday, walking through the parking lot at work, when a co-worker noticed the flag and said "Why the hell is the flag at half mast now?" I didn`t know either.

My co-worker is black.

We are in SC.

This is not newsworthy.
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Male 4,431
[i]NOw tell me why he got more than 95% of African American votes....if you want to play that card. [/i]

Perhaps because it`s widely perceived that many Republicans/Conservatives are racist? I don`t know, I`m not a black voter. But, as a liberal white male concerned with civil rights of all kinds, I know why *I* voted for him.
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Male 14,330
[quote] If you think that he`s not suffered any racism, that none of the opposition to his policies, his presidency (birther movement, etc.) is due to his race, that`s fine.[/quote]

NOw tell me why he got more than 95% of African American votes....if you want to play that card.

FYI nowhere I drove by flew their flags at half staff a man like him isn`t worthy if you look at facts.
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Male 2,675
My employer hasn`t either. Is eyeroll worthy but is it really worth a news story.
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Male 2,357
@Smag

[quote]My concerns is about the absolutely unprecedented (and well-documented) obstructionism he`s had to deal with at every turn.[/quote]
Do you honestly think the GOP would stop the "obstructionism" sans Obama? Hold all else the same and just replace Obama and I`m still very sure that the "obstructionism" would continue; it`s the flavor of the week.

I`m not saying that racism doesn`t exist nor that Obama hasn`t been the subject of it. However, I`m saying that blind hate exists everywhere and that it`s silly to pick out one specific subset of hate and call it a problem.

Some people hate me because I`m a libertarian, because I`m white, because I have a penis, because I am a business owner, and because I have a semi-vegetarian lifestyle.

Some people hate my long-time partner because she`s Mexican.

We all deal with some form of blind hate.
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Male 4,431
HumanAction, I`ve got nothing against someone bitching about Obama. You`re right, every president gets that. My concerns is about the absolutely unprecedented (and well-documented) obstructionism he`s had to deal with at every turn. If you think that he`s not suffered any racism, that none of the opposition to his policies, his presidency (birther movement, etc.) is due to his race, that`s fine. More power to you. I won`t say you`re wrong. My opinion, however, is that some of it is due to race, and some of it obviously so. I guess we`ll just have to disagree.
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Male 2,384
sure hes not racist
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Male 2,357
I mean, FFS, every other word out of a liberals mouth seems to be "Bush" and he hasn`t been President in half a decade.

Obviously it has nothing to do with his numerous mistakes and bad policies - must be the skin color.

^^ That`s your entire argument; it`s ridiculous.
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Male 2,357
@SmagBoy

[uote]folks are always thumbing their nose at the president[/quote]
Dude, you need to get over this whole "oh no, the President`s black and people criticize him" nonsense. In recent memory, Carter, Clinton, and Obama have been attacked by the right. Reagan, Bush, and Bush have been attacked by the left. They`re attacked because of the office, not the skin color.

[quote]This notion of only lowering it for an American has only recently become popular[/quote]
No it hasn`t. This has been a popular idea since I was a child at the very least.

[quote]Anyone bitch about lowering it for the Pope?[/quote]
See: Atheists.

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Male 4,431
Well, MeGrendel, you`re right in that I can`t prove it. And, for what it`s worth, the Sheriff says he wouldn`t have lowered it for the Pope, either. Regardless, I don`t recall anyone complaining back then and I do recall many, MANY people complaining about it this time.
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Male 987
It shouldn`t matter whether Mandela was a world leader or a saint, if he was not of this country, our flag should not be lowered in recognition.
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Male 7,347
SmagBoy1-"Anyone bitch about lowering it for the Pope?"

It`s entirely possible that he didn`t lower it for the Pope, and it was so unimportant that no one bothered writing a news item about it.

BUT NOW, we have a BLACK President, and the liberal media can use it as an excuse to write on how `racist` it is that the Sheriff is dissing a black man.

See how it works?
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Male 4,431
He offers a perfectly valid reason for a private citizen not to lower his own private flag on his own private property, you`re absolutely right, 5Cats.
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Male 3,364
Auburnjunky: Apparently, neither are you. The president may order the flag to be flown at half-staff to mark the death of other officials, former officials, or foreign dignitaries. In addition to these occasions, the president may order half-staff display of the flag after other tragic events. of course, if you weren`t a conservative, you`d know that already.
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Male 36,437
So what? He`s not calling for others to follow his non-lowering. He offers a perfectly valid reason, end of subject.

Mandela became a world leader, but his reputation was far from spotless. He was a good man, but not a saint by any measure. Including after he came to office.

I didn`t know that about Bush saying to lower the flags for the Pope`s death; that`s not appropriate IMHO.

For Churchill? Yes, he was a tremendous ally to you Americans.

It`s a case by case thing, but the MSM has to "play the race card" every single chance they get...
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Male 4,431
No, HumanAction, you`re right, folks are always thumbing their nose at the president and not lowering the flag for people like the Pope. Happens all the time. This notion of only lowering it for an American has only recently become popular--like when Obama became president. Anyone bitch about lowering it for the Pope?
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Male 2,357
@SmagBoy

[quote]But it`s not like Nelson Mandela is the first non-American for whom our flag has been lowered[/quote]
On the other hand, it`s not like Nelson Mandela is the first non-American for whom our flag wasn`t lowered either.

[quote]Did these asswipe dittos refuse to lower it then? Nope.[/quote]
Do you have evidence of this or are you just making it up?
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Male 4,431
Hey, I`m not saying the man has to lower the flag. He obviously doesn`t. But it`s not like Nelson Mandela is the first non-American for whom our flag has been lowered, nor is Obama the first president to ask for (and have) the flag lowered for a non-American (see, for example, George W Bush and the death of Pope John Paul II, Lyndon Johnson with Churchill, etc.). Did these asswipe dittos refuse to lower it then? Nope. So, that being the case, what are we to make of this action?
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Male 768
To be honest, if that is his view then so be it.. A little idiotic but people should respect his view and not make a big deal about it.
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Male 10,339
We shouldn`t lower the flag for him. He isn`t American.
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Male 1,558
Why should, Many wasn`t a Yank
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Male 2,357
@lauriloo

[quote]just you people[/quote]
You people?

[quote]show a little respect for someone who died[/quote]
Are the other 149,999 who died that day less worthy of our respect? Or, should we just pin the flag at half-mast permanently?

[quote]It`s like the people who think gay marriage is going to diminish "real" marriage[/quote]
Not really. In one case, you`re trying to force people not to do something; in the other case, you`re trying to force someone to do something. In both cases, you`re a jackass.

[quote]Google this story and see the kind of people who support this action.[/quote]
You do realize that you`re allowed to be your own person with your own opinions, right? You don`t need to listen to what everyone else says to have an opinion, you can totally come to a conclusion all on your own. You should try it.

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Male 220
Liberal - everyone should be free to live as they want, unless we don`t like it. Let`s have more government control.

Conservative - everyone should be free to live as they want, unless we don`t like it. Let`s have more government control.

You`re both looney tunes.
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Male 220
lauriloo - 150,000 people die every day on earth. I know it`s hard for an Obama supporting liberal wackadoo to use some logic, but try to rationalize your thoughts before spouting them out. You sound crazy.
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Male 220
"Still crazy thoughts because nothing Obama has done has been any different than what a normal president does. But you have to be an informed, rational person to recognize that so I won`t get my hopes up."

WHAT PLANET DO YOU LIVE ON?
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Male 7,347
lauriloo-"nothing Obama has done has been any different than what a normal president does."

-made illegal recess appointments (when there was no such recess) that required Senate approval
-abdicated his responsibility to enforce the laws of the United States against illegal immigration.
-failed to defend US soil in Arizona as Mexican troops bring illegals and drugs into the USA, crossing the border doing so. This is a direct violation of Article IV, Section 4 of the Constitution.
-refused to enforce laws against voter intimidation
-brought a federal lawsuit against a sovereign state, Arizona, seeking to protect its citizens from this threat of mass illegal immigration
-secret back channel Nuclear deal with Iran
-violated bankruptcy laws by forcing GM bondholders to accept millions of dollars in losses of money that they were legally entitled to, while handing Unions money they were not entitled to.
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Male 5,094



This is not newsworthy.
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Male 5,874
RIP Nelson Mandela, a man worthy of respect. However, there are a large enough number of memorable and respect-worthy people dying daily to have the stars and stripes flown permanently at half mast.
Once you get past 365, (one a day), perhaps the flag should be flown at quarter-mast. (ad infinitum).
I believe it is up to the people at each locality to decide for themselves, according to the fact that America is a democratic country, not because of racism, or because their president tells them to.
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Male 3,842
PS - that is the sheriff`s point of view, not mine
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Male 14,330
[quote]I`ve heard about many of the atrocities committed on SA blacks by whites during apartheid. Have you?[/quote]

And now what 20 years later the same thing is happening but that`s somehow ok now huh? BTW evidence shows the ANC has killed more people than the apartheid did that was more about segregation not torture, rape and murder.
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Male 3,842
I didn`t bother watching the story, but I would assume the sheriff didn`t lower the United States flag because Nelson Mandela was not a U.S. citizen. Nothing to do with race, rather, nationality, since the United States flag is for the United States.
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Female 1,803
"I didn`t see much mourning or respect from him over the people he helped kill."

I`ve heard about many of the atrocities committed on SA blacks by whites during apartheid. Have you?
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Male 37,888

I like how they drag out every black reporter they can find for this sort of story. I think they have a waiting room in back full of black, asian, latino reporters just waiting for possible race charged stories. Then you never see them again...until the next race-bait story.
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Female 1,803
"I do not think that jwhalerfan`s comment about President Obama being a dictator is because of the flag lowering as much as it is many of his other policies and actions."

Still crazy thoughts because nothing Obama has done has been any different than what a normal president does. But you have to be an informed, rational person to recognize that so I won`t get my hopes up.
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Female 1,803
"If not lowering the flag for black people who die is racist, then I`m afraid we are all racist."

Nope, just you people who can`t show a little respect for someone who died. Exactly how did lowering the flag diminish its meaning when lowered for other important people who die? It`s like the people who think gay marriage is going to diminish "real" marriage. A whole lot of angst for absolutely no reason other than hate.

Google this story and see the kind of people who support this action. Scary. Funny, they are ALL right wing. Birds of a feather.
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Male 837
@Lauriloo
I do not think that jwhalerfan`s comment about President Obama being a dictator is because of the flag lowering as much as it is many of his other policies and actions.

I also do not think that anybody is disrespecting Mandela here.
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Male 14,330
[quote]Nope, just you people who can`t show a little respect for someone who died.[/quote]

So following your logic Mandella was racist! I didn`t see much mourning or respect from him over the people he helped kill. Bit worse when he had a hand in it too huh?
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Female 1,803
"This is only a story because of the Kim Jung Obama dictatorship. In the past you could decide whether or not to lower your flag on your own. You could make fun of the president. It was a free country. It will be once again when he`s finally gone."

wow. a President suggests a flag lowering, like EVERY other president and HE`S a dictator. Wonder why you single Obama out. hmmmm. What`s different from all other presidents???? hmmmmm
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Male 7,347
Methinks an IRS Audit is in Pickens County Sheriff Rick Clark`s immediate future.

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Male 2,357
The notion that the flag should only be lowered for US citizens is a very popular one. I have heard similar sentiments across the US.

SmagBoy, why do you need to read racism into everything? There is no evidence for racism here other than the fact that Nelson Mandela was black. If not lowering the flag for black people who die is racist, then I`m afraid we are all racist.

In all seriousness though, what 5Cats is to Obamacare, SmagBoy is to "racism."
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Male 37,888

Mandela may have been a terrific leader in his own country, but I doubt very much he effected a single life in South Carolina. I agree, don`t lower the flag, it`s not a big deal.

But it`s not just for citizens. Winston Churchill, as an ally in war, did indeed effect the lives of thousands of our soldiers and sailors so it was appropriate to honor him.
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Male 2,578
Your posts are all the same. You really jumped the shark when you called Miami Gardens a White area though.

He could very well be racist, as though the world were actually divided into two everlasting groups, racist and non-racist. No nuance, no ambiguity.

But it doesn`t really change the fact that there`s no reason for a small town in South Carolina to lower the flag for a whole week for the death of somebody on the other side of the world.

Listening to the Russian radio the other day, even the anti-Putin liberals are calling him a terrorist. He received all his weapon from Maoist China. I actually see the guy as he is, a morally ambiguous guy. I`m sorry Smug, he`s not Jesus.
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Male 14,330
Just because king Obama thinks he`s a hero doesn`t mean everyone else has to. He`s not what the media and Obama want you to think he was like pretty bad they consider him a man of peace. Replacing an apartheid with pretty much another and making your country far worse isn`t a hero. People who normally always disagree on here agreeing on this guy might tell the followers there`s something they don`t or refuse to see.
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Female 3,180
"yes honey, he CAN do that" the PotUS is NOT the messiah or god.
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Male 1,059
@jwhalerfan, not sure if you noticed, but this is on CNN, so actually, it`s not even a story now. Except for the two or three people who still watch CNN.
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Male 220
This is only a story because of the Kim Jung Obama dictatorship. In the past you could decide whether or not to lower your flag on your own. You could make fun of the president. It was a free country. It will be once again when he`s finally gone.
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Male 4,431
Link: SC Sheriff Won`t Lower Flag For Mandela [Rate Link] - But he`s not racist. Or xenophobic. He`s just proud of our flag. Or something.
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