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57 Responses to Satanists Seek Statue On Oklahoma Statehouse Step

  1. Profile photo of Draculya
    Draculya Male 40-49
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    December 9, 2013 at 11:06 am
    Link: Satanists Seek Statue On Oklahoma Statehouse Step - Equality For All! LOL
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    Andrew155 Male 18-29
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    December 9, 2013 at 11:18 am
    I think some people are just bored and have nothing better to do.
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    whodat6484 Male 30-39
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    December 9, 2013 at 11:18 am
    They have every right to do so since the 10 commandments monument was approved. If they don`t allow it that will be interpreted as the state favoring one religion over another which violates the 1st Amendment. Should be interesting to see how it all plays out, hahaha!
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    FeeFee Female 18-29
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    December 9, 2013 at 11:28 am
    Huh. Approval for Satanists. It`s obvious the point they are getting across and kudos to them for it.
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    MelCervini Female 50-59
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    December 9, 2013 at 11:30 am
    I have a feeling its a group of douche-atheists being buttwipes. (not to be confused with reg atheists who go about their lives and leave others alone to do the same)
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    LordJim Male 60-69
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    December 9, 2013 at 11:32 am
    Why do people keep doing this? Why do people who probably think of themselves as patriots take one of the most basic and admirable precepts of your nations very being and spend much time and money tying to piss on it?

    Satanists are having a laugh, but why not?
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    December 9, 2013 at 11:34 am

    Brilliant! I may have to send a donation.
  8. Profile photo of BoredFrank
    BoredFrank Male 40-49
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    December 9, 2013 at 11:56 am
    Hey, if we`re going to mix church and state, then EVERYBODY gets to add their church to the mix.

    Don`t like it? Tough -- because that`s what babble thumpers have been saying to other religions every time they slap up some 10 commandments crap on state property.
  9. Profile photo of LordJim
    LordJim Male 60-69
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    December 9, 2013 at 12:23 pm
    So if it`s up on courthose land does that mean graven mages are outlawed?
  10. Profile photo of McGovern1981
    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    December 9, 2013 at 12:33 pm
    What a waste of time and money.
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    Jake_Justus Male 50-59
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    December 9, 2013 at 12:33 pm

    Be careful what you wish for ...

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    lauriloo Female 40-49
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    December 9, 2013 at 12:43 pm
    Maybe put up a plaque that has all the things Jesus said about taking care of the poor and disadvantaged and how one can`t serve two masters (God and money). Even an atheist like me could get behind that little set of reminders for government officials.
  13. Profile photo of Angilion
    Angilion Male 40-49
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    December 9, 2013 at 12:54 pm
    I think some people are just bored and have nothing better to do.

    I think they`re making an extremely important point in a very effective (i.e. media-attracting) way.

    Do you want to live in a theocracy or not?

    Do you think your country`s constitutional attempt to seperate church and state is a good idea or not?

    They are important questions.
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    soundman655 Male 50-59
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    December 9, 2013 at 12:54 pm
    If the KKK had started as a "religion" they would be tax free and free of any contrary critique !!
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    December 9, 2013 at 1:03 pm
    I have a feeling its a group of douche-atheists being buttwipes. (not to be confused with reg atheists who go about their lives and leave others alone to do the same)

    Do you think it was a group of "douche-christians being buttwipes" who had a monument of their religious commands installed on the step of a major government building? If not, why not?
  16. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
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    December 9, 2013 at 2:05 pm
    Well, they have a right to, same as those who put the 10 Commandments up.

    I don`t think EVERY Tom, Dick and Harry should be putting up monuments though, there`d be "Taco Bell" statues bumping against the "McDonalds Memorials" ;-) you know?
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    QueenZira Female 18-29
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    December 9, 2013 at 2:15 pm
    They want something tasteful and majestic? May I suggest any Milton painting? Blow the fundie`s minds with sheer cultured panache...






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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    December 9, 2013 at 2:44 pm
    Continued

    6. Do not take that which does not belong to you unless it is a burden to the other person and he cries out to be relieved.
    7. Acknowledge the power of magic if you have employed it successfully to obtain your desires. If you deny the power of magic after having called upon it with success, you will lose all you have obtained.
    8. Do not complain about anything to which you need not subject yourself.
    9. Do not harm little children.
    10. Do not kill non-human animals unless you are attacked or for your food.
    11. When walking in open territory, bother no one. If someone bothers you, ask him to stop. If he does not stop, destroy him.
  19. Profile photo of Gerry1of1
    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    December 9, 2013 at 2:44 pm

    The Eleven Satanic Rules of the Earth
    by Anton Szandor LaVey - 1967

    1. Do not give opinions or advice unless you are asked.
    2. Do not tell your troubles to others unless you are sure they want to hear them.
    3. When in another’s lair, show him respect or else do not go there.
    4. If a guest in your lair annoys you, treat him cruelly and without mercy.
    5. Do not make sexual advances unless you are given the mating signal.
  20. Profile photo of Zuriel
    Zuriel Male 30-39
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    December 9, 2013 at 3:05 pm
    sure.. how is their crazy batpoo religion any different than any other crazy batpoo religion
  21. Profile photo of JadesDitoyr
    JadesDitoyr Male 18-29
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    December 9, 2013 at 3:27 pm
    Eh, the only issue that I see with the story is that it is a New York organization wanting to put a monument in Oklahoma. Beyond that, there`s no reason not to let a statue stand.

    The article says the ten commandments carries an "overtly Christian message" but that is an over simplification of the commandments. It also declares the pentagram to be a satanic symbol so their iconography lore is severely lacking.
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    whodat6484 Male 30-39
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    December 9, 2013 at 3:44 pm
    "It also declares the pentagram to be a satanic symbol so their iconography lore is severely lacking."

    They`re probably referring to the Baphomet Pentagram, which is their official symbol.
  23. Profile photo of Angilion
    Angilion Male 40-49
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    December 9, 2013 at 4:16 pm
    There`s also a problem of space.

    If your first amendment is upheld, then any and every religion could insist on having a display of osme kind there, equally visible in order to avoid any one being given priority over any other.

    There are hundreds of religions.

    The only way to allow religious displays there and uphold your first amendment would be to have different religions on different days but somehow giving equal exposure to all of them.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    December 9, 2013 at 4:19 pm
    On a tangent, does anyone else find it interesting that the USA is officially a secular state yet is dominated by religion and the UK is officially a theocracy yet is almost entirely secular?
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    SmagBoy1 Male 40-49
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    December 9, 2013 at 4:28 pm
    You want religion to be mixed into the town square, then you get religion mixed into the town square.
  26. Profile photo of Draculya
    Draculya Male 40-49
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    December 9, 2013 at 5:59 pm
    "I have a feeling its a group of douche-atheists being buttwipes."

    No, this is actual Satanists. Wait till they rename DC "Soddom" and make buggery mandatory.

    "not to be confused with reg atheists who go about their lives and leave others alone to do the same)"

    Why should we? Christians evidently don`t play by the same rules!
  27. Profile photo of MelCervini
    MelCervini Female 50-59
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    December 9, 2013 at 6:09 pm
    Angilion... not at all. The Jewish monument was put up in faith, a representation of God`s laws etc... my point was that the `satanists` doing this, a real religious group doing it, but someone(s) being a buttcake just because they can.
  28. Profile photo of llaa
    llaa Male 30-39
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    December 9, 2013 at 7:07 pm
    On the contrary, their harmony is unparalleled, and can be ascribed to nothing but their unbounded tolerance, because there is no other circumstance in which they differ from every nation on earth. They have made the happy discovery, that the way to silence religious disputes, is to take no notice of them. Let us too give this experiment fair play, and get rid, while we may, of those tyrannical laws.

    - Thomas Jefferson
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    llaa Male 30-39
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    December 9, 2013 at 7:07 pm
    Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burned, tortured, fined and imprisoned. What has been the effect of this coercion? To make one half the world fools and the other half hypocrites; to support roguery and error all over the earth... Our sister states of Pennsylvania and New York, however, have long subsisted without any establishment at all. The experiment was new and doubtful when they made it. It has answered beyond conception. They flourish infinitely. Religion is well supported; of various kinds, indeed, but all good enough; all sufficient to preserve peace and order: or if a sect arises, whose tenets would subvert morals, good sense has fair play, and reasons and laughs it out of doors, without suffering the state to be troubled with it. They do not hang more malefactors than we do. They are not more disturbed with religious dissensions.
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    paperduck Male 18-29
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    December 9, 2013 at 9:05 pm
    What exactly are satanists? They believe in God and satan and choose to worship satan? I don`t get it. Or are they just mocking the whole thing?
  31. Profile photo of JadesDitoyr
    JadesDitoyr Male 18-29
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    December 9, 2013 at 9:46 pm
    Remember, Lucifer is a proto-Prometheus, he came to Earth behind the back of God to bring mankind knowledge of good and evil.

    Or to tempt mankind into eating from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil, however you choose to see it.

    Like Prometheus, he brings Knowledge (fire) to mankind and is punished for it. On one hand, he`s thrown into the Lake of Fire, on the other he`s bound to a rock and has eagles eating his liver.

    To some, Lucifer could be considered a heroic figure, fighting against an unjust god who wishes to keep his people subservient and in the dark.

    The Astarans, the Lucis Trust, most theosophic faiths actually all have a figure that they refer to as "The Light Bringer" who brought them the first bit of wisdom.

    But, I am just a silly Christian. What could I possibly know about other religions?
  32. Profile photo of Angilion
    Angilion Male 40-49
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    December 9, 2013 at 9:48 pm
    [quote">What exactly are satanists?[/quote">

    Which ones? Like any religion, there are variations.

    If you want info from people trying to be comprehensive and unbiased, try here:

    Religious Tolerance on Satanism

    The key thing is that their Satan isn`t the Abrahamic Satan.
  33. Profile photo of llaa
    llaa Male 30-39
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    December 9, 2013 at 11:20 pm
    The point behind Jefferson separation between church and state is necessary to end religious squabbles including which 10 or 11 commandments should be displayed on state grounds. Its ridiculous since the govt. of that area is accepting one ideology over another when the two can and do co-exist without associations between both adherents of either faith.
    There should be no commandments statue or plaque at all, solves these disputes rather quickly when the govt. stays out of it otherwise its an issue.

    Also, Lucifer is a bad latin translation for son of dawn as translated Isaiah. Isiah describes that even the mightiest despot will die and will not be blessed when the dead rise to rejoin god but instead rot in grave. It does not describe a supernatural Devil but a despot king.
  34. Profile photo of Musuko42
    Musuko42 Male 18-29
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    December 10, 2013 at 3:08 am
    @LordJim

    "Why do people keep doing this? Why do people who probably think of themselves as patriots take one of the most basic and admirable precepts of your nations very being and spend much time and money tying to piss on it?"

    I agree. Assuming you`re talking about those who put the commandments monument there...right?
  35. Profile photo of Musuko42
    Musuko42 Male 18-29
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    December 10, 2013 at 3:10 am
    @5Cats

    "I don`t think EVERY Tom, Dick and Harry should be putting up monuments though"

    Can`t have it both ways: either everyone gets the right to do it, or nobody does...or you throw out the concept of equality of freedom.
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    Musuko42 Male 18-29
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    December 10, 2013 at 3:15 am
    @Gerry1of1

    "5. Do not make sexual advances unless you are given the mating signal."

    What is the mating signal?
  37. Profile photo of Musuko42
    Musuko42 Male 18-29
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    December 10, 2013 at 3:18 am
    @MelCervini

    "The Jewish monument was put up in faith"

    How do you know that? You`re making an assumption of their motives.

    "the `satanists` doing this...someone(s) being a buttcake just because they can."

    How do you know that? You`re making an assumption of their motives.
  38. Profile photo of McGovern1981
    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    December 10, 2013 at 5:52 am
    On a tangent, does anyone else find it interesting that the USA is officially a secular state yet is dominated by religion and the UK is officially a theocracy yet is almost entirely secular?

    I wouldn`t consider a place that puts a family up on a pedestal because god said so as particularly secular. Quite the religious monument you have there huh?
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    December 10, 2013 at 6:04 am

    Musuko - ""5. Do not make sexual advances unless you are given the mating signal."
    What is the mating signal?"

    I don`t know. Ask a Satanist.
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    Runemang Male 30-39
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    December 10, 2013 at 5:23 pm
    Well, that`s how it goes - everyone has the right or no one has the right - that`s called equal rights.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    December 10, 2013 at 7:55 pm
    I wouldn`t consider a place that puts a family up on a pedestal because god said so as particularly secular. Quite the religious monument you have there huh?

    It would be possible for your to learn something about the UK (or anywhere in Europe) and thus make yourself look less foolish.

    Up to you.
  42. Profile photo of McGovern1981
    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    December 11, 2013 at 6:10 am
    It would be possible for your to learn something about the UK (or anywhere in Europe) and thus make yourself look less foolish.

    Up to you.

    Or you could state how that`s not true but it is which would be why you didn`t......
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    December 11, 2013 at 6:27 am
    Official title:
    "Elizabeth the Second, by the Grace of God, of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and of Her other Realms and Territories Queen, Head of the Commonwealth, Defender of the Faith".

    Ya gee sounds like you elected her and not the grace of god...oh look it`s in the title!
  44. Profile photo of Musuko42
    Musuko42 Male 18-29
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    December 11, 2013 at 8:02 am
    @McGovern1981

    You do know that she doesn`t actually rule anything and her role is ceremonial...right?
  45. Profile photo of JadesDitoyr
    JadesDitoyr Male 18-29
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    December 11, 2013 at 10:18 am
    Anyways, going back on target

    The first is acceptable, the second is not.

    The Ten Commandments in no way teach you about Christianity or Judaism. An interactive display which teaches children about Satanism in every way teaches you about Satanism. It would be more akin to having a Minister stand on the steps every day and offer free sermons.
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    JadesDitoyr Male 18-29
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    December 11, 2013 at 10:19 am
    @whodat
    They probably are refering to the Baphomet Pentagram, but that is not what the article stated. With iconography, more information is necessary than less.
  47. Profile photo of McGovern1981
    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    December 11, 2013 at 12:07 pm
    You do know that she doesn`t actually rule anything and her role is ceremonial...right?

    You are aware that has nothing to do with what I was talking about...right?
  48. Profile photo of Angilion
    Angilion Male 40-49
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    December 11, 2013 at 7:00 pm
    Or you could state how that`s not true but it is which would be why you didn`t......

    I didn`t bother because I think there isn`t anyone here as determinedly ignorant as you are. Your ravings are therefore irrelevant as well as untrue, so there`s no need to waste the time needed to repeatedly explain all the many ways in which they are wrong, in detail.
  49. Profile photo of Angilion
    Angilion Male 40-49
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    December 11, 2013 at 7:03 pm
    But OK, I`ll check:

    Is there anyone here who thinks that the queen of the UK is a religious monument and/or that the UK is an actual theocracy, i.e. ruled by a religion?
  50. Profile photo of McGovern1981
    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    December 12, 2013 at 5:42 am
    @Angilion

    They put here in all sorts of parliament meetings don`t they. You also treat her better than any citizen and give her and the family everything they want. You guys can go on about a monument but refuse to see what`s right in front of you so grasp at straws.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    December 12, 2013 at 5:57 am

    •Opening and dissolving parliament

    •Appointing the prime minister

    •Consenting to all bills passed by parliament (without this consent they can’t become law)

    •Appointing bishops and members of the House of Lords

    Here`s a real good one:
    Immune from civil or criminal proceedings and cannot be sued in courts of law.

    Just few of that no power there......
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    December 12, 2013 at 6:01 am
    Head of State also the Head of The Church of England and Scotland.....my how secular....
  53. Profile photo of Musuko42
    Musuko42 Male 18-29
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    December 12, 2013 at 7:49 am
    @McGovern1981

    None of those things have any effect on the decision making of the country. She has about as much involvement in the actual running of the government as the gilt on the fixtures.

    "You also treat her better than any citizen and give her and the family everything they want."

    No we don`t. They give themselves everything they want. They`re wealthy in their own right.

    If you want to start with the whole "they got their wealth from taking it in the name of god"...well, I`d just have to ask when you guys are planning to give your lands back to the natives? Same thing right there.

    Anyway, a royal must have f*cked your mum or something, because you have SUCH a bug up your butt about them.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    December 12, 2013 at 12:36 pm
    She has about as much involvement in the actual running of the government as the gilt on the fixtures.

    SO like a religious monument you say.......
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    December 12, 2013 at 12:45 pm
    I`d just have to ask when you guys are planning to give your lands back to the natives? Same thing right there

    When you give NI back to Ireland or me some casinos! Not really the same though you see ones a country that admits that was bad the others a family that`s still put on a throne from it.

    Anyway, a royal must have f*cked your mum or something, because you have SUCH a bug up your butt about them.

    Oh my you get quite butthurt when someone shows you should take a beter look at your country before criticizing a rock with religious words on it huh?

  56. Profile photo of JadesDitoyr
    JadesDitoyr Male 18-29
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    December 12, 2013 at 6:12 pm
    I don`t really see how the New York Satanic Temple has any standing here, to be honest. Anybody can see that an Oklahoma based organization putting up a monument is different than an out of state organization.

    I mean, seriously, if the people from Oklahoma don`t mind it, why should the people in New York or California.
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    Zeegrr60 Male 40-49
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    January 7, 2014 at 1:49 am
    Religion is fine.Reality is better.

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