Detained And Questioned For Smoking

Submitted by: jagger04 3 years ago in Weird

Don"t worry. We are safe now. The smoking menace has been dealt with accordingly. /sarcasm/
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Male 884
Ticketed for loitering at a bus stop.
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Male 480
The guy with the camera was a fool. He should have answered the first question, by refusing to answer a simple question he made himself look suspicious. If somebody was acting suspicious on property that I was protecting I would get them off it using any means necessary, as this police lady did. It looked over the top but was indeed the right action.

The camera man whinged that he did answer the question, but then showed a clip from about 5 minutes in after 5 minutes of being a prick.
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Male 759
All together now.... `O`er the land of the free and the home of the brave`
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Male 85
It`s actually better that you are on private property. Private property is just that, private and does not have laws that are enforced by men with guns. private property has policies of how they operate within their property. if you are forbidden from the property but on it anyway, you are automatically trespassing and the police become involved and will be charged as such. If it is open to the public, but you are breaking one of their rules, you are simply asked to leave or stop doing what is forbidden by the property owner. If you refuse or leave and/or stop doing the forbidden action, then you are once again trespassing and the police again take jurisdiction. It is pretty clear that you weren`t smoking, but it doesn`t really matter anyway, for police don`t yet have jurisdiction anyway and even if they did, they would need suspicion of committing a crime before you could be properly detained. This is clearly massively illegal and not to mention harassment and intimidation.
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Male 8
It`s sad to see things like this go on in our country, or any country for that matter. Situations like this give the police a negative image and it makes people forget about the officers who risk their lives everyday to protect society
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Male 154
I do think that the guy was trying to provoke the cops as the end of the video shows an agenda. That being said the cops were asshats and I am afraid that I am seeing this more and more. We will live in a police state if this keeps up.
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Female 2,691
And, for the permanent record, smoking disgusts me. I think sticking a burning piece of vegetation in your face and sucking up the smoke is gross. But this little cop is a stupid bitch. Seriously, like, she is so drunk on her little badge power. How drating pathetic.
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Female 2,691
What a stupid little bitch. If I were her mother, I`d slap her upside the head. She needs to be sent to her room for a time out for dumbassedness. Yeah, I just made up that word. Arrest me.
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Male 3,231
although i should add, they tend to target young people more, like pretty much anywhere. For example, I once saw an Italian family wearing very expensive Armani suits visiting for their daughters graduation smoking on BYU campus. Believe me, they didnt say anything.
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Male 3,231
gotta be provo, believe me, ive talked to cops from other counties and even they cant stand provo/orem cops. Tend to have nothing else to bother folks about and other cops find them over zealous about trivial matters. Also the smoking age is rather high in utah and they do enforce the 15 feet from a public entrance as well as its illegal to smoke in parks and public areas.
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Male 8
As far as the smoking situation goes, it is possible that this guy could have been before filming. There`s no way anyone who wasn`t there could know. However, I think that the "loitering" citation was a load of crap. I don`t think all LEOs are like this but even one is too many.
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Male 2,332
drat tha police!
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Male 585
this guy is 100% correct. there is no such thing as a good cop. they ALL abuse their power and need to die. i cant wait till the i robots run the police and not 1 human is involved in the law. then when we are all under the rule of machines its what we all deserve.
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Female 1,537
I would have asked the cop to pat me down and look for cigarettes or a cigarette box... check my car... and when you find no cigarettes, well drat you!
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Male 7,123
The lady cop lied that she had seen him smoking, loitering while being detained? No crime, no reason to suspect a crime, no threat to the public, just wanting a fix of submissiveness.

The guy had every right to have an attitude when it was clear that it was just a bored cop on a power trip.

Robert Peel who founded the first modern police force got one thing absolutely right; effective policing can only be done by consent. If the population see you as being on their side against crime and disorder they will back you. If they see you as imposing your authority by force they will resent and oppose you.

Two models; `We are the police and we are here to protect the people and maintain peace and order` or `We are the police and you are here to submit and comply.`

If you go down the second road the destination is tyranny. If the price of opposing tyrrany is sometimes being a bit of a dick with a smartphone then that is a price worth paying.
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Male 441
"I don`t talk to cops" is not something you want to say to cops.

But they still had no right to detain him.
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Male 945
[quote]Yeah.. I`m not known for being fond of the po-po.. but in all fairness the guy with the camera was being a jerk first. All he had to do was answer the damn question and he could have been on his way.[/quote]

Actually, if he`d answered the question, this recording would just be a few minutes shorter or had a more undesirable outcome.

Bottom line: this was a profile stop for a bogus reason. Pure and simple. Because he handled himself well, he`ll beat it in court but this could`ve very quickly turned ugly. In fact, if it happened to me, it probably would have.
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Male 5,874
There is an old saying: If you can`t beat them join them.
So, join the cops today and bring joy, happiness and justice to the fine upstanding citizens of the glorious peoples free democratic republic of um,... where was I?
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Male 38,480

[quote]"..ppl can be arrested for smoking?..tobacco?...outside? wtf? how is that legal??" [/quote]
Welcome to the USSA
United Soviet States of America
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Male 1,287
To compare these cops as Nazis is idiotic.
Obviously, the little sh*t with the phone has no idea how bad Nazis were.
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Female 283
wait a min..ppl can be arrested for smoking?..tobacco?...outside? wtf? how is that legal??
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Male 2,592
Yeah.. I`m not known for being fond of the po-po.. but in all fairness the guy with the camera was being a jerk first. All he had to do was answer the damn question and he could have been on his way.
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Male 38,480

Cops will never say "I was wrong". They seem to think that will undermine all of their authority and power. Maybe she sincerely thought he was smoking. But once she realized he wasn`t she should have said those 3 little words and not looked like a douchebagette with a badge.
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Male 1,983
And the kid had the right idea, because anything you say can and WILL be twisted around to be used against you.
The ONLY two things you should ever say to a cop [other than "DIE PIG!"], even if you think he is trying to help you, is "I refused to answer any questions without a lawyer present." and "Am I free to go?"
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Male 1,983
They ticket him for Loitering [Trespass] which he wouldn`t be doing if they hadn`t stopped him.
::facepalm::

There was absolutely no reason for this to occur other than an need to bully someone with an exercise of abusive authority.

F[uc]k the police.
If all 3 of those worthless wastes of space and resources had been shot on the spot, society would be better off from their loss.
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Male 675
These @ssholes are a disgrace to the badge. This is not police work, it is harassment, plain and simple.
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Female 4,086
i would have told her to f*ck off and kiss my big old fat white middle-aged ass.

but, as referenced above, i`m a large white female and probably wouldn`t be hassled. at least not in utah.

now, where i live, the stereotype of southern sheriff is alive and well--thriving, actually--and i might do things differently. maybe not, though. it would depend on my mood, which tends to suck lately. and at my age i couldn`t give a sh*t whether i end up in jail for a night or two.

its a shame, really, because i`ve met a few really nice people in uniform on my job.
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Male 7,740
I was pretty sure both sides handled it poorly....right up until the last 45 seconds of the video.

It was at that point that the kids revealed himself to be a complete idiot and it became obvious he was attempting to play the officers to create the situation.
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Male 14,332
[quote]The cop does not have the right to mis-use an anti-smoking law to herass someone[/quote]

Anti smoking nazis opened the door to that by making places outside smoke free zones for cops to pander tickets for BS. Get rid of that stupid ass law it`s outside!
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Male 4,893

jonswan12 is either picking a fight (trolling) or a complete tool.

If everyone had the same opinion as jonswan12 there would be no freedom for anyone. Don`t question anything, just listen and submit.

Also...jonswan12...look up the definition of "straw man argument". You introduced a different scenario to argue against instead of making any actual arguments about this situation.

The cop came over trying to bust him for smoking. When she realized she was wrong, she first tried to lie by saying that she saw him smoking. She knew she was wrong, so she cited with made up bull crap. It is a clear abuse of her power.

They have a duty to act responsible with their authority...they are on the job.
He has no obligation to be a nice guy. He was minding his own business and wanted to be left alone.

You are a tool.
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Male 38,480

jonswan12, [quote]"The kid was an non-nice individual "[/quote]
I agree. He`s probably a militant jerk with an anti-cop chip on his shoulder. But guess what, that is his right. The cop does not have the right to mis-use an anti-smoking law to herass someone. And because she does not like his lack of submissiveness it does not give her the right to issue a loitering citation. She knows it`s on film and he`ll beat it in court. It`s just to harass him and make him go downtown and wait in court to fight it.

We are not required to be polite ladies and gentlemen, and the police are not allowed to harass us for that.
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Male 5,081
jonswan12 most of the times the "dicks" receive loads of dollars cause your officiers seems to be deeply unskilled idiot that stomp the individual rights for no reason...so yes being "dicks" in front of cops like that not only is a pleasure but make you also richer...Hurray! If i were you i`ll be really pissed with cops like that,cause they are wasting your money,the money that all americans citizens pay for the police shouldn`t be at the commodity of officers like those 3 in the video.
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Male 72
The kid was an non-nice individual and got what he deserved. If I`m driving and get pulled over for what looks like drinking and driving and they ask me if I had been drinking and I tell them "it`s none of your business! I won`t answer any questions!" I doubt they`d say, `Oh, you are right. Sorry to bother you. Have a nice evening` I`d get the rough treatment too. Here`s a tip to the kids today: don`t be dicks to cops and you`ll be okay. But for some reason, they think it`s better to be dicks to cops and then get their reaction on video and then post said video on the internet so that everyone can see how badly you were treated. drating cry more
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Female 8,044
Rick_S Ask yourself this... why is it a bad idea to call the cops a$$holes? Why is it a bad idea to ask them if if they became cops just so they can harass people? Could it be because generally saying anything can get you in trouble with them and you can go to jail because of their power over you?

If you called the mailman an a$$hole and asked him if he became a mailman to harass people would it be equally as bad of an idea? Why or why not? You could ask anyone (teacher, clerk, driver, etc.) that question and should be able to ask that question without fear or worry of retribution. But you can`t ask cops.It would be a bad idea, right?
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Male 5,081
Loitering? At bus stop? Seriously guys,you are deeply screwed if this is your situation.
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Male 4,893

Rick_S - Sure, if he were to tuck his tail and submit, this may have not happened.

Don`t forget that we have the right....no, DUTY to question authority as we see fit. They need to be kept in check.

He has the right to act impolitely if he wants. He is not on duty, but they are. They may have a job to do, but their duty doesn`t include taking things personally if someone doesn`t want to talk to them. Can you blame him? Talking to cops only leads to jail in America.
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Male 2,467
I don`t think answering a simple question by the average person is getting walked over but the same question from a uniformed police officer with the power to arrest and detain you is a different matter.

Also Rick...do you honestly believe that had the man answered "no" that the officer in question would have taken his word for it and let him alone?
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Male 3,322
Gerry, I don`t think answering a simple question, "were you smoking" is getting walked all over. He may or may not have been harassed (I`ll even grant you more likely than not). But I will say that no matter what, telling cops they are, "acting like non-nice individuals," and asking them if they became cops just so they can harass people is not a good idea.
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Male 992
I`m not generally an ACLU type of a guy, but this dude needs to pass GO, collect $200,000 and show the video to the ACLU. He`s got them and I too applaud him for maintaining his cool. He got a bit douchie with his closing comments but sad to say, he`s right.
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Male 1,189
Thank GAWD the smoking police are armed on UTA property. I mean really, how are they going to make sure you do not smoke unless they can shoot you. You would probably just go around the corner and light one up without the fear of instant painful death. I remember a time when the government generally left you alone because we all thought we had something called "freedom". I miss those days
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Male 14,332
@Fancythat

That`s because people go looking for these vids and they get attention unlike one doing their job right like this.
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Male 4,594
We American citizens have done this to ourselves. We have allowed the government to chip away at our liberties over time and this is the result... and it`s only the beginning. Our own government HATES the U.S. Constitution due to it giving power to the people... most governments hate that.

Our government is drunk on power and only wants more. The only way to get it is to take it from the people one chip at a time by masking their intent as "security" or "welfare" or "the needs of many outweigh the few" or whatever bullsh*t they dress it up as.

This video really pisses me off because of the cops behavior. That is some pretty scary sh*t in my book.
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Male 38,480

Rick S, [quote]"All of this could have been avoided if he had just said, "No, I wasn`t smoking.""[/quote]
1: If you believe that would have stopped her you are naive. She used the smoking law as an excuse to check this guy out and harass him. She would found another excuse if he`d said that first.

2: Yes, we can all just GIVE UP as our first option. But the cops do not have the right to stop and question anyone they damn well choose. They have to have a reasonable suspicion you`ve done something illegal. You can be walked over if you like, some of us don`t want that.
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Male 141
Interesting what he said about cops at the end. I have a friend who always wanted to be a cop. After he got out of the military he went through all the training to become a cop. He was an officer for 6 months before he quit, because of all the bullpoo.
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Male 1,950
I`m more surprised by the useful/helpful cops. Videos like this are becoming more the norm than the exception.
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Male 14,332

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Male 3,322
All of this could have been avoided if he had just said, "No, I wasn`t smoking."
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Male 2,467
The anti-smoking hysteria has gotten so out of control. No surprise to me as I saw this coming 20 years ago. You can`t give government the authority to fix everything without giving them the equal authority to screw things up.

Sooner or later every anti-smoking idiot will suffer at the hands of these goons for one reason or another...and when they have no clue as to how this could happen...I`d like to say it will make me happy but it won`t. People deserve freedom. Too bad so many have no idea how precious and fragile freedom is.
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Male 4,893

What is just as sad as this misuse of power is knowing someone here completely sides with the cop.
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Male 170
wow i am flabbergasted at this blatant misuse of power and authority. its sad to see that this is what the "justice" system has become.
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Male 7,775
Well done to this guy for keeping so cool under such provocation. I hope someone helps him defend himself against this petty bitch.
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Male 538
Link: Detained And Questioned For Smoking [Rate Link] - Don`t worry. We are safe now. The smoking menace has been dealt with accordingly. /sarcasm/
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