People On Welfare [Pic]

Submitted by: gingernut333 3 years ago in









A view I had never thought to consider
There are 66 comments:
Male 729
"It`s not my job to figure out whether they are genuine or not."

Indeed it is. This attitude is one of the major contributors to the ineffectiveness of American charity. Throwing away resources to thieves and liars is worse than not giving at all because it creates an "industry" for unethical behavior, thus increasing crime in an environment. There are times when shotgun charity works, such as disaster relief, but it never works with homeless and poor.
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Male 987
Doesn`t anybody save money these days? When you are doing well and living large, before you buy your new iPad, accumulate some savings so you can get through a few years of bad times.

It`s not a matter of being irresponsible being broke and having nice things. It`s a matter of being irresponsible back when you were not broke and spent too much so you couldn`t weather the storm.
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Male 27
Im on foodstamps, and homeless. Im going into Job Corps do to lack of housing, and lack of jobs. I have a decent laptop that cost 600$ when I got it four years ago, and an Ipod that cost around $500 when I got it. I was doing well when I bought these things, but now together I`d be lucky to get $200. I already sold both my PS3 and Xbox360. I use my Ipod for free texting, and my laptop for job apps. They are worth more to me, then $200. and if I sold them that $200 would last me maybe a week, while my Laptop and Ipod have so far lasted years. If I had no food stamps, and it came down to it, I would sell them like I have my Xbox and PS4 no big deal.
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Male 676
I grew up really poor, holes in my clothes, wearing flip-flops to school. I remember my mom using a door for a table. She stayed out til 2-3am saying she was "at the coffe shop."
I did have a few nice things but no one questioned me on them.
I`ve eaten some things I don`t even want to repeat. I never judge the poor and will try to help even I see a pan handler. It`s not my job to
figure out whether they are genuine or not.
I do like how people associate conservatives with this, when that OP`s name was thegodlessatheist.
Most conservatives are Christians. But hey, who cares about facts?
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Male 1,798
It all depends on the situation. There are people around here with cars with around $10,000 worth of wheels and tires on them, not to mention thousands of dollars worth of stereo equipment in them, living in a falling-apart house, with five kids, all going hungry because they are illegally converting their food stamps to money to spend on their car. My brother was talking to one of these guys a few months ago. The guy was complaining about how he couldn`t afford his power bill, and my brother asked, "why don`t you sell that ridiculous car, buy something practical, and use the rest of the money to pay bills?" The guy`s reply? "I`m not going to have a car that`s not nicer than my house!" That kind of mentality is the sort of thing that causes people to look at those who are on welfare, and have nice things, in a bad light. Of course, as with everything, there are always exceptions.
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Male 409
I half agree with the initial statement. I am reminded of a panhandler I saw with a bluetooth in his ear. Or, an acquaintance who had his power turned off because he spent all his money on beer and pot. So, yeah, if you are welfare and have an Iphone, it is hard for me to be sympathetic.

That said, when I waere poor and we were on food stamps, I used to still find a way to over-indulge my kids at Christmas and we went on a Florida vacation. I am sure that some people would say we should have made better financial choices.
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Male 308
To play the devil`s advocate (you can flame me all day long, I`m just presenting an alternate view)... I always remembered the old story of the poor husband and his wife. Each wanted to get the other a nice christmas present, but they were too poor to afford anything. The only things they had were the wife`s long, beautiful hair, and the husband had a gold watch with no watch chain that his father had given him... secretly, he sold the watch to buy his wife a gold comb for her hair... his wife sold all of her hair to buy him a beautiful gold watch chain. I guess the point I`m trying to make is, if I get hungry enough, I don`t really care where the iPad came from... I`m selling it and buying a sandwich.
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Female 4,039
I honestly don`t know much about welfare, but I think you really have to hate the game, not the players. Some people use it like it should be used, some don`t.
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Male 441
*I meant to say that clearly these stories are not far fetched.

I don`t see how there is any question that these stories are* true.
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Male 441
Umm... I don`t see how there is any question that these stories aren`t true. I have an iPhone, but guess what, I got it when I had a job with decent hours and I have a great deal set up with my phone company so my phone bill is only 50 dollars a month.

After 5 months of looking for a new job, I work 15 hours a week now and can afford a minor amount of food after rent, bills, and paying back my roommates who covered my rent for those months where my savings ran out.

I`m not on welfare or foodstamps, but I am in the "poor" area, for America.

The funny thing about this though is that we have the technology to provide free food, energy, water, and shelter to the entire world population. We are just ignoring the technologies that would allow us to do it because that sort of thing isn`t profitable.
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Female 1,803
I don`t think anyone would argue against the notion that the system needs to be fixed. It`s the hurtful ways the right wing wants to change it that liberals have issues with. NOBODY wants able-bodied people avoiding work to live off our taxes. NOBODY. If we could get smart, reasonable, honest, cooperative people in office who really want to do the right thing for the greater good this would get fixed, but we never do.
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Female 184
I think there is a lot of hurt involved in the reply - justified hurt - but what the OP should probably have had a beef about is when people on benefits/welfare FLAUNT their purchases bought with said welfare. Example case a few years ago a single mother who has never worked a day in her life, just popping out child after child to keep the benefit money rolling in, bought them very little, but ensured that she had the latest designer handbags etc. Flip side of the coin, a couple who both lost their jobs actually SOLD a good amount of their (fully paid for while they were employed) nice gadgets and stuff to ensure their child could still have a modest Xmas and new school clothes. The system needs to be fixed.
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Male 579
I think there`s a lot of overreaction here. I, like many others, have a problem only with those that can but won`t. While I don`t have a problem with the idea of public being used to help those in need, it is clear the system ripe for corruption and greed. Clearly many use this for political gain. And no, I don`t have any great answers, but I do see that our current systems seem to be ever expanding and will one day come crashing down under it`s own weight.
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Male 5,620
"Weather these stories are true or not, there is plenty to be learned from them."

Lol.


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Bull.
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Male 168
TLDR
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Male 2,357
Man, all these anecdotal emotional pleas are making my heart hurt.

@patchouli

Can you please provide me the passage in the Bible where it instructs Christians to take money from some, by way of sword, and give it to others. I`m not religious, but I`ve read it cover to cover (wrote a critique in college) and cannot for the life of me recall that passage. All I seem to remember are passages about giving ones own money to the poor.

Seriously though, enough with the anecdotes people. We get it - some people cheat and some people really need the money. Neither of those things guarantee that welfare is good or bad.
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Male 450
Does anybody realize that people often have nice things BEFORE they end up on welfare. Just because you lose your job, your position don`t vanish out of the ******* blue. What happens when you end up out of work 1 year into your 2 year cell phone contract? You continue either continue paying for it, or get slammed with a $350 early cancelation fee.
I forgot though, there is no grey area in idiot, right-wing, Fox News world, only black and white. Life is complicated, if it wasn`t, poverty wouldn`t exist.
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Male 3,908
"Besides, iphones are already free courtesy of uncle sam."

You fell for that one too hahaha! C`mon man, I thought you were smarter than that.

FAQ from Assurance Wireless
(one of the Lifeline Cell Phone providers)
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Male 56
Yesterday I saw a woman buy 10 x 12 packs of Coca-Cola products. They paid for it with EBT. Also, the CRV was paid for by taxpayers. Technically we just got taxed for someone else buying soda.

Incentive to recycle? Not when you don`t pay for it. Or free money?
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Male 169
@Stormith - Looks like you read the post, but didn`t really understand. Weather these stories are true or not, there is plenty to be learned from them. I agree that there are many who abuse the system, I have people in my family who do. I also see where there is need. The welfare system in the US is very imperfect, and may need adjustment, but it is necessary.
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Female 543
Everybody trots out their little "boo hoo" sob stories, acting like their situation is so special. Yeah sure kids need toys, but does any drating kid need 300 my little pony dolls? No. And if you`re poor and you`d rather have a nintendo DS than proper clothes, you are a drating idiot. Note that all of these stories are about "when they were kids", meaning that they didn`t actually have to think about money. They weren`t budgeting or trying to buy groceries, they were kids who wanted some new toy or some crap. Yeah sure you deserve toys but there`s a line, if the government is the one giving you the money and you choose to buy toys instead of actual shoes or clothing, you are a complete idiot.
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Female 1,803
"Get a job"

Referring to many of the ranting conservatives on IAB?
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Female 1,803
"Besides, iphones are already free courtesy of uncle sam. "

You can`t get a free iPhone/Android/Blackberry on this program. There`s no need to do the typical right wing lying.
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Female 2,549
I have been in a situation where I had latest in technology, the seasons designer clothes, paid club memberships, diamonds on me (all paid for my me) and had less than 100bucks in my bank. Life can throw some curve balls at you.
I got out of it, on my own. Sure could not have done it without out my phone, laptop, nice clothes and network of people that I could keep in touch with.
Giving food stamps is the least government can do. All the people who need assistance should be provided with phone, net connection, clothing allowance and mandatory classes for money management. (Or atleast rent the other stuff out at low charges)
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Female 1,244
We can`t assume that every single person that is on welfare is abusing the system just because they have a couple of nice possessions...We can`t stereotype every single person on welfare as a welfare abuser, because we don`t know their situation. We don`t know what goes on behind someone else`s closed doors. You will never know the day you will lose your job and everything that was tied to it.. Nothing is promised for tomorrow..,`
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Male 5,620
@patchouly - Genesis 3:19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.

Most of us Conservative Christian types realize that God wants us to work.
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Male 2,850
@Atrayu4u

Never loan to friends. Always only give gifts.
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Male 14,331
Welfare is broken and abused excessively. If you`re deemed able bodied by a doctor it should have a job program if you don`t work the job you don`t get your welfare. If you`re legitimately disabled that`s a different story.
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Male 5,620
"Sadly many people would like the workhouse to return."

It never left, just different people staff it now.
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Male 5,620
For instance: One family of 4 I worked for brings in around 6k a month on benefits when you add up medicaid, medicare, HUD, SNAP, welfare, disability, and other benefits.

They bought two new cars, a new double wide trailer, their land, 4 horses, many cows, support 3 hunting dogs, a tractor, 3 4-wheelers, a couple of motorcycles, have 6 televisions, the newest video games for the kids -- and a huge collection it is!, many many many movies, Direct TV, about 3 computers, a couple of laptops, high-speed internet, etc etc etc.

Meanwhile, I barely can pay my rent on the salary I get trying to help their kids feel less "depressed" because of their situation.
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Male 5,620
Yea... anyone that actually works with or for poor people, knows these analogies are hogwash. The "poor" people I work for in mental health on disabilities have higher standards of life than me, and can do things like: fish, hunt, farm (on their own farm), raise cattle, raise horses, mow yards, bush-hog, go ride atvs, build things on their land, etc etc etc. Seems they can do almost anything besides make an honest living!
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Female 2,761
a few rotten apples spoil the whole bushel.

When I was in 3rd grade, my parents were too proud to use any assistance programs, I can remember how angry I was at a kid who sat next to me the first day of school and bragged all day about his new shoes, his new hat, his new school supplies, his new lunch box, etc. etc. and I was sent to school in old clothes and shoes from last year that was barely fitting then. I knew at the time that this kid was "poor" and on welfare and all sorts of other programs because he was a neighbor of my grandmothers.

My thoughts have obviously changed and matured since then and I understand all the politics and emotions of everyone back then (mine, the kids, my parents)

but I still remember how upset, humiliated and angry I was that day.Almost 20 years ago.
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Male 560
Why do poor people only have flatscreen TV`s? Bright house only sales flat screens

Being poor adds a lot of cost`s for basic things, late payment fines, an emergency can suddenly cost you a lot of money as you can`t afford to pay right away or have to get payday loans which charge extremely high interest.

Comes down to this, once you decide you`re ok for people to have money, it`s down to them how they spend it you`ve given it. The alternative is to live in a non nice society. And all the examples of people having money etc elswhere working drug dealing etc It`s true they`re committing fraud tell the authorities and get it stopped they`re abusing the system. Stop the abusers not the system
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Female 8,052
Sadly many people would like the workhouse to return.
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Male 714
i don`t think the poster was entirely trueful. I might even go as far as saying that it never happened. What probably happened probably involved the poster swearing at the nosy neighbour

I have worked as casual labour several times and when i was young the men i met that were doing the same job were usually either in between jobs or just out of prison.

Now they are men that are only working because they are worried their dole will be stopped and doing a bit of casual will prevent this and also allow them to reclaim once the job is finished. They all talked about their sky TV, Playstation/XBOX and have the latest phones.

There has also been suggestions that people only use food-banks because it allows them to carry -on buying luxuries and
booze.

I don`t really have a problem with this though
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Male 1,983
The "Welfare Queen" is an urban myth.

Not saying that there aren`t a few out there who play the system but, by and large, the vast majority of people receiving public assistance NEED public assistance.
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Male 17,511
I grew up poor, working class, but never knew it. My grandparents and relatives were more than generous for Christmas and birthdays. Finally, When I was 9 years old my father got a great job and my mom got a raise, we had moved out of the rental house and into a 2 bedroom 900sq ft. house. It was small, but it was ours, no more snooping landlords and neighbors.

I don`t hate or envy the rich, don`t pity the poor, but I do hate elitist snobs and snooping busybodies.
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Male 15,262
@Tupinambis That`s my point; I have no solution. You either end up with a nation full of spongers or a huge quasi-slave class. I know of no perfect societies. Even Hong Kong has a deplorable wealth gap. Scandinavia comes close, but their way would not fit with US culture.
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Female 8,052
Glad a few people get it. this articleis Richard Littlejohn getting his arse handed to him for making the same assumptions about another journo- who fought back. Very funny. Read the original assassination through the links!
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Male 39,913

It`s easy to say "get a job"
the reality is there are no jobs.
You are on a precipice... about to fall.
clue in
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Male 10,338
Get a job grouch.
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Male 2,436
TL;DR

Get a job
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Male 39,913

You guys better get used to beggars in "the Land of The Free". The future doesn`t look good as the middle class disappears and the gap between poor and rich increases.

Remember, you heard it here fisrt.
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Male 1,692
Those stories sound too familiar to me.

I have a phobia about collecting welfare after living on it growing up as a kid. I didnt like the embarrassment of being fingerprinted, photographed, and the wasted time-suck GAIN programs that my parents had to attend while the family received assistance.

Ive been out of work for a while now and I still don`t want to sign up for assistance since the hurdles set by the current system are horrendously demeaning. I`d work than rot in a neglecting assistance system. Yes the OP in the .jpg is an asshat and their attitude does cut hard, my parents became detrimentally depressed after they signed up for assistance.
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Male 1,745
There`s a whole segment of the economy dedicated to peddling all these "nice things" to poor people, essentially keeping the boot on their neck.

They may not afford to buy an iphone for $700, but they`re offered one for $99 if they agree to stay with service provider for 2 years at the tune of $70 dollars a month, which they can afford. They`re getting screwed, but there`s lots of lube. Most people don`t even realize what`s going and even fewer can break out that.
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Male 567
@lsdmoe
Well, I read it. These people`s personal accounts are very sad. It still doesn`t change the fact that there are tons of people who take advantage of the welfare system. I agree that the OP`s comment is too broad. What they should have said is: You shouldn`t spend money received from welfare on an iPad or iPhone.
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Male 312
Those are sad situations but I bet it does not include 90% of the people whose households have multiple iphones (even 1 is really expensive but I will give a little leeway).
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Male 567
@Draculya
So what`s you personal solution? Lengthy interview process for everyone? Let them fend for themselves? Send them supplies instead of a check each month? (I like the last one. Although you`ll have the draters that would go out of their way to sell said supplies for crack.)
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Male 72
Tupinambis
TL;DR

And therein lies the root of the problem. Maybe you should read.
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Male 15,262
I studied politics and public policy and I can tell you it`s a nightmare trying to balance having a safety net and stimulating people to strive to better themselves.

Humanity is made up of all kinds of people and they are all motivated in different ways. Some people would rather have a 10 minute high than food in their belly. Some people have no significant material possessions and a million under the million under the rotting mattress. Others are rational and diligent.

You can`t expect people to choose to act wisely, yet we must not strip them of their free choice.

Likewise, you cannot judge a person`s situation or ethical integrity from an iPhone.
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Male 40
wow talk about extremes. its funny how people see a post and then go to the craziest extremes to compare to someone who they dont know. mother this father that autistic brother, and then the neighbor who went all psycho on them. then go with the people like you statement and personal attack. lol
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Male 3,908
I was out one night last winter and gave a guy with a "I`m a homeless Vietnam Vet" sign a couple of cigarettes, an extra lighter I had on me and a few bucks. He thanked me, crossed the street and went to a McD`s to get some food and I overheard some douchebag say, "He can`t be that poor, he`s wearing a heavy coat" to one of his friends as they walked by after seeing what I did. I hate people like that.
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Male 567
TL;DR
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Male 179
Hand down best item I have ever read on IAB. Must admit I`m guilty on more than one occasion of thinking such things and quite probably even commenting about it. Although I would hope I`ve never done this to a persons face. But damn I do hope I change this. Thanks interweb, you were worth it today. x
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Male 39,913

I had a good job and I bought a smart phone and an iPad. Then my job was switched to illegal aliens doing it and I needed unemployment for a time. You don`t know anything about them, you can`t judge a person by their phone. I wish I had an old flip-phone. Fit in my pocket better.

Stupid statements are stupid
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Female 4,430
to the people critisising people for abusing the poor for having anything nice, ever, not to the a s s holes doing the same thing on here...
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Female 4,430
amen to that.
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Male 833
there are plenty of people that abuse the system and misspend their welfare etc.
that certainly doesnt mean all do, or even all that have 1 or 2 nice things do.
its a shame that people make accusations about others based on false assumptions as to what they are doing and narrow minded ideas about what they should be doing
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Female 695
Who says all conservatives are Christians to begin with there patchouli?
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Male 620
To start this, I am a huge supporter or the EBT/food stamps program here in the states. I work at a grocery store and pretty much every night I see people who would be going hungry without it.

That said, the people who abuse it absolutely drive me insane. I have regular customers who come in every night to buy 15-30 bucks worth of cigarettes and alcohol in cash, then spend a few bucks on food using their EBT.

The system is not meant to be a perverse subsidy for people`s addictions. It is supposed to help the poor and hungry. Not that there is anything I can do or say about it, in my position. I just have to smile and make the sale, but it kills me a little inside.
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Male 2,578
Just as a side note, did you know in FL you can take out hefty Financial aid in your 60s to buy a house (or do anything for that matter)? And then all that debt gets automatically forgiven at 65. It`s funny because people of that age can take classes for free.
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Male 2,578
There`s nothing new or cutting edge about this view. In fact, it`s pretty mainstream.

Besides, iphones are already free courtesy of uncle sam. A homeless man who lives in the jungle near me has an iPhone. So that whole iphone part is irrelevant since the ownership of iphones is subsidized.


As for people exploiting the system, I can guarantee it happens all the time. When I lived on 125th street in new york, there was always a line to buy lotto tickets. And I`m not just making that up, it`s an actual thing. They spend 9% of their income on lottery tickets. Alcohol stores are also pretty busy in that area.

Basically, don`t fall for their strawmen examples.
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Female 1,478
When it`s over with, I won`t have to worry about it, and I can spend my money as I choose. /rant Stupid max characters limit! /rant
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Female 1,478
I can understand both sides, here. And I try to not judge, but judging comes naturally to us, this day and age.

On a slightly related note: My friend has owed me $110 for maybe three years now, which I`m just calling an even $100. She says she`s putting me into her budget, but then can`t bring herself to contact or come to -me- when she actually has the money. She has two kids and lives off of government help. She buys pot (I don`t imagine much of it is donated to her) and tattoos and whatnot, but can`t get me $20 or $30 at a time, like once a month or something. I love the hell out of her, but it`s really pissing me off that she can`t just pay her $100 debt and be done with it. Then she can do whatever she likes with the rest of her money.

I have debt, too. About $2,000 to my parents. I haven`t worked in three years. When I do get a job, over half of that money is going straight to my parents until my debt is paid. Because screw being in debt. When it`s over with, I
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Male 4,745
One of the MANY things that makes Conservatives, asshats. Not to mention terrible un-Christian.
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Female 1,071
Link: People On Welfare [Pic] [Rate Link] - A view I had never thought to consider
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