Are You A Good Person? [Pic]

Submitted by: SweepOfDeath 3 years ago Misc

Actions speak louder than words.
There are 64 comments:
Male 97
Church is not a museum for the "good people", it is a hospital for the broken.
0
Reply
Male 729
"There are children dying from cancer, children being raped, children starving... if there is a god, he`s a f*cking assh*le"

IF there is a God, and he is entertained by this suffering, then I`m sure calling Him "f*cking assh*le" is really going to make Him stop and think.

You made a potty mouth against a being you consider non-existent. You are kewl! kewwwwl!!!!!!
0
Reply
Male 1,015
There are children dying from cancer, children being raped, children starving... if there is a god, he`s a f*cking assh*le
0
Reply
Female 1,467
Like I said, that no one read . . . good vs bad is calls of morality, selfish vs kind is for the other stuff. You can do kind deeds for selfish reasons which is bad. Or selfish deeds for kind reasons (taking a promotion at work even though someone else is better qualified so your family can live better) might be good. So there in falls the judgement calls of all the other mundane types of behavior besides did you kill someone.

@papajohns: Not bashing, probably a Christian to other Christians

I don`t know what Churches people go to but, the one I sometimes go to (once a year cause I have to) talks about hypocrisy, doubt, blame, guilt, burdens, church history, charity, sacrifices, interpreting the bible, respecting others` beliefs, just this whole mishmash of things that "Atheists" say "Christians" aren`t thinking about.
0
Reply
Male 4,746
elkingo:
"I am a psychologist, it is my job to find good in every person I encounter. =)"
-----
You know what...fair enough.
0
Reply
Male 36,410
Interesting discussion! And polite too!

Nothing in the Universe is "pure good" or pure evil. It`s ALL relative! And subjective too. Even the words good and evil are relative and subjective!

People have believed in `gods` as long as there have been people! It appears to be human nature to do so.

There`s things we simply DO NOT understand, YET! So we "fill in the blanks", yes? Some say `god`, others say `Mother Nature` and still others say `random chance`. It`s all the same to me, I`m a DEIST :-) I really like being a Deist, have I mentioned that before? (hint: yes!)

Example #1 Q: What happens after we die?
Different answers have flourished over the ages, eh?

Example #2: Suppose the woman in the picture had fed & cared for the dog, saving it`s life. A year later the dog kills an infant. Were her actions "good" or "evil" based on the outcome?
0
Reply
Male 5,620
@patchouly - I am a psychologist, it is my job to find good in every person I encounter. =)
0
Reply
Male 14,330
[quote] It`s something you have to learn. Not something you know.[/quote]

Pretty much everything human beings do besides basic survival functions/reflexes are something learned.

[quote]If the original concept is based on a book that can be proven fake, then why hold onto any of it? Why create a new God to fill the void?[/quote]

Perhaps because the thought of us getting cognitive thought is pure coincidence and death brings us absolute nothingness is a rather bleak and linear way to look at things. While it`s not out of the question it leaves life with not much point does it? While Science has come a long way it doesn`t hold all the answers. I`m not even sure it could ever answer the death question and mabey there`s a reason for that or not. Dwelling on these things won`t answer them.

I myself prefer to remain optimistically agnostic retaining a hope that you may be at peace and reunited with people you loved.
0
Reply
Male 4,746
McGovern1981:
"There`s zero proof against a god as there is for a god."
------
Let me rephrase that; there is zero proof of any religious God. As for some sort of new "spiritual God" idea; that is the product of a religious person who realizes that the God of religions can`t exist and needs to grab onto something, so they invent their own idea of what God must be based on the bits they liked from their previous religion. God is a man made idea. It`s something you have to learn. Not something you know. If the original concept is based on a book that can be proven fake, then why hold onto any of it? Why create a new God to fill the void?
0
Reply
Male 4,746
@Elkingo,
You are arguing the same side as I am regarding religion but totally missing the point that there are bad people. If you want to try and find good in a serial killer that kills children, all the power to you. Good luck with that.
0
Reply
Male 14,330
[quote] There is zero proof of God and a billion pieces of evidence against him. Who believes and who doesn`t really has no effect on that fact at all.[/quote]

There`s zero proof against a god as there is for a god. I`m not even sure how you would measure that sort of thing.

This all stems from this statement said not by you..
[quote]If you are stupid enough to believe in a make-believe man in the sky, you deserve my scorn. Only an idiot would believe that crap.[/quote]
Which seems to be a common opinion amongst atheists. That`s rather ironic being that it is the same exact type of attitude they love to banter about fundies holding.
0
Reply
Male 5,620
"Or are you trying to suggest that there is no such thing as a good person or a bad person?"

No.. I am arguing that people have both good and bad (vice and virtue) attributes that make up the person. You can look at the overall picture, but to claim that someone is all "bad" or all "good" is nonsensical.

Further, I claim that religion has nothing to do with being "good" or "bad".
0
Reply
Male 714
@patchouly: Newton definately did not do things to `follow the crowd`. This is the person who invented calculus then didn`t tell anyone and would publish his books in a deliberately complicated lexicon to prevent people from reading it.

On the other hand, being atheist is far more popular among democrats, especially those born around the 60`s, than being a christian. So, i forgive your mindless adherence to the fashionable belief (or lack thereof) of atheism.
0
Reply
Male 4,746
McGovern1981:
"That wouldn`t be atheist like you asserted he would be and still debunks the original comment I was posting to that started this:
-----
To be fair, believing "Nature is a type of God" and not believing in life after death, is only a stones throw away from being Atheist. Besides, my original issue with your picture of Einstein claiming that "The more I study science, the more I believe in God". If you read up will will see that statement was never written. He never said that. And....in the end. It doesn`t even matter. There is zero proof of God and a billion pieces of evidence against him. Who believes and who doesn`t really has no effect on that fact at all.
0
Reply
Male 334
not a fan of any religion, i have to admit they all have a good thing in them and there are good followers of a faith. Kindfa makes me rememeber something we used to way back when. Be ware of the hypochrist.
claiming all christians are bad is as wrong as claiming they are all right.
The thing i noticed though, you hardly hear about good faithfull people, eventhough within any religion, they will be the bulk not the exception
0
Reply
Male 14,330
[quote]For all intents and purposes, he was Agnostic. Not something a Christian can wave around as "Proof of God`s existence."[/quote]

That wouldn`t be atheist like you asserted he would be and still debunks the original comment I was posting to that started this. I also don`t recall this having anything to do specifically with Christianity that whole god things in a lot more than that.
0
Reply
Male 4,746
@elkingo,
You are arguing semantics. A good person does good things and a bad person does bad things. That`s what it boils down to. Yes, a person can be a good husband and Father and still be a war criminal, but the war criminal thing makes him a bad person and voids the whole "good Dad" thing. It`s the sum of your actions that define you. How else can you say a person is good or bad? Or are you trying to suggest that there is no such thing as a good person or a bad person? Because there are some serial killers out there that you`d have a hard time convincing others were "good people".
0
Reply
Male 4,746
@McGovern1981,
Einstein claimed to believe in "The God of Baruch Spinoza". "Spinoza`s God" was a scientific thought experiment imagining what a physical God would be. What it boils down to is something that has no influence or interest in humans. He saw no difference between "God and "Nature" and felt they were one and the same. He did not believe in the Christian concept of God and did not believe in life after death. For all intents and purposes, he was Agnostic. Not something a Christian can wave around as "Proof of God`s existence".
0
Reply
Male 579
If this was meant to bash religion, then I say it failed. This is actually quite a Christian belief to follow Jesus in both word and deed. As a cradle to eventual grave Catholic, I have no problem with this at all. Might I add, while I try to get up each day and follow Jesus` example I often fail for a variety of reasons. That`s why I go to mass; it`s a place to heal, not a penthouse. I will not tell anyone what they should or should not do, but I will try to remedy a lot of false ideas that are so rampant about what it means to be Christian. But here in this graphic is a fine example of someone who needs to keep going to church in hopes one day they will see their hearts not be hardened. See... it`s a hospital, not a hotel.
0
Reply
Male 5,620
For example: A person may indeed do things like feed the homeless, love animals, and take care of and honor their family -- but could be a vicious war criminal. Are they then still "good"?

Does it then matter what "religion" they are when you try to define them?
0
Reply
Male 5,620
@patchouly - Still though, you say that, but you go on to define what makes a good person through actions. It is comical in a sense, because you still aren`t accounting for all of the person`s actions.

"What counts are your actions, like I said before."

This alone is what I am arguing, I just pose that we cannot claim to know the entirety of someone`s actions. It is nonsensical to claim someone is "good" or "bad" based on what very little limited knowledge you have of someone`s actions. My problem is with the terms themselves. You simply cannot determine if someone is "good" or "bad". It is more likely that they are a certain percentage of both. Meaning, everyone has both vice and virtue.

It becomes even more nonsensical when you string religious beliefs into this equation.





For example: A person may indeed do things like feed the homeless, love animals, and take care of and honor
0
Reply
Female 6,381
My best friend`s mother passed away years ago. Unfortunately, the religious segment of her family took over funeral arrangements. One of them proudly announced that this woman, who never professed faith hadn`t seen the inside of a church for decades, had "accepted Christ as her saviour" on her death bed, so we could all be happy and assured that she was in heaven. This from grown adults, yet.
0
Reply
Male 14,330
I`m also not seeing anything falsifying that quote and eve have the source. (Einstein, as cited in Holt 1997).

“Then there are the fanatical atheists whose intolerance is of the same kind as the intolerance of the religious fanatics and comes from the same source. They are like slaves who are still feeling the weight of their chains which they have thrown off after hard struggle. They are creatures who – in their grudge against the traditional ‘opium for the people’ – cannot bear the music of the spheres. The Wonder of nature does not become smaller because one cannot measure it by the standards of human moral and human aims.” (Einstein, as cited in Max Jammer, Einstein and Religion: Physics and Theology, Princeton University Press, 2002, 97).
0
Reply
Male 14,330
@patchouli
I`m aware he didn`t follow a book but he did belive in a form of god. He was not an Atheist and judging by these word held them at about the same regard as preachers.....
"I have repeatedly said that in my opinion the idea of a personal God is a childlike one. You may call me an agnostic, but I do not share the crusading spirit of the professional atheist whose fervor is mostly due to a painful act of liberation from the fetters of religious indoctrination received in youth. I prefer an attitude of humility corresponding to the weakness of our intellectual understanding of nature and of our own being."
0
Reply
Male 4,746
@elkingo,
In no way did I say that lack of extended empathy requires a "Bad" label. If you don`t help feed the homeless you are not a bad person. It just doesn`t add the good person label either. It then becomes a moot point. What counts are your actions, like I said before. If you do feed the homeless, there is a better chance that you are a good person. If you also are a good husband, father and live your life the best you can, you are a good person, regardless of your beliefs. If you kick homeless people, steal from the poor and beat your wife, you are a bad person. Your actions have dictated your label, not your beliefs. If you can`t understand that, there is nothing I can do to help you.
0
Reply
Male 5,620
@patchouly

It is nonsensical to define someone as bad for failing to "take care of animals" or "feed the homeless"; mainly because it does not take into account all they -have- done right.

You know, giving all the time does not make one "good".

You problem is that you assume that Christianity claims that one is made "good" simply for believing. True faith in the Christian dogma defines human characteristics as "lacking". Meaning, we all (as Christians) are set in motion to go about striving to be better.

Your argument with people that "religion" isn`t definitive of terms like "good" and "bad" is simply nonsense.
0
Reply
Male 4,746
elkingo:
"I find, regardless of religion, that trying to define someone as "good" or "bad" based on what they do, or fail to do is nonsensical."
-----
In what way is it "non-nonsensical"? It is the ONLY way to judge a person as good or bad. You certainly can`t tell by the self-assigned labels such as "Christian".
0
Reply
Male 4,746
I cannot imagine a God who rewards and punishes the objects of his creation, whose purposes are modelled after our own -- a God, in short, who is but a reflection of human frailty. Neither can I believe that the individual survives the death of his body, although feeble souls harbour such thoughts through fear or ridiculous egotisms.
(Albert Einstein, Obituary in New York Times, 19 April 1955)
0
Reply
Male 4,746
@McGovern1981,
LOL! If you going to quote someone, make sure it`s a real quote and not something a biblethumper made up and stuck to Einstein`s picture. A complete fail on that one, McGovern.

Einstein was not a Christian and didn`t believe in the Christian God. If anything, he claimed to be agnostic. I`d bet money that if he were in the more open society of today, he would have admitted to being fully Atheist. Admitting to being an Atheist back then was a bit like admitting to being gay. It didn`t go over well.
0
Reply
Female 870
Funny how being tolerant of homosexuality now is culturally so accepted that only "bad people" don`t share that frame of mind. It`s obvious to anyone who`s stepped food in a school since highschool that "good" and "bad" are too abstract to assign motives like this. It`s a dangerous thing. I don`t believe in homosexuality. Doesn`t mean you`re "bad". It just means you`re misinformed or suffering some kind of imbalance. Let the witch hunt begin.
0
Reply
Male 14,330
[quote]If you are stupid enough to believe in a make-believe man in the sky, you deserve my scorn. Only an idiot would believe that crap.[/quote]
0
Reply
Male 14,330
[quote]this is not funny, nor did it relive my boredom. It was just really preachy.[/quote]

Seems to be a growing pattern here.
0
Reply
Male 5,620
I find, regardless of religion, that trying to define someone as "good" or "bad" based on what they do, or fail to do is nonsensical.
0
Reply
Male 4,746
som-tam:
"Newton was religious and very superstitious."
----
Lots of explanations for this. At the time, religion was a huge part of society. Humans have a predisposition to "follow the pack". When everyone around you is a church nut, it`s hard to not be. You can`t fault a man for not wanting to be "the guy who stood up against everyone". Also, Being superstitious is a sign that part of his brain wasn`t functioning quite right. People who are superstitious also tend to be very religious. Go figure...
0
Reply
Male 7,775
Get in! All other arguments are invalid.
0
Reply
Female 1,467
It`s really hard to find secular charities. Generally though there is always a food bank that you can help fund. I think the "petty" stuff should be "selfish or kind". Leave good and bad to things that are actually questions of morality.
0
Reply
Male 14,774
Being a self-righteous anti-atheist ass-hat doesn`t make you a good person, either, AJ.

Hahaha. It`s come full circle.
0
Reply
Male 1,983
So the above is a visual depiction of What Pope Francis said recently.

Good acts are all it takes to get into Heaven....
regardless of your beliefs.

I`m not even remotely religious, but I do like this new Pope.
0
Reply
Male 714
@Zeegrr60 - Newton was religious and very superstitious. Sir Arthur Conan Doyle believed in fairies. If you consider these two intellectual giants to be stupid you must either be fantastically clever or, and i suspect this is nearer to the truth, a smug, tribal atheist who attempts to mask huge insecurities by calling other people stupid.
0
Reply
Male 2,143
"Being a self-righteous atheist ass-hat doesn`t make you a good person, either."
-I believe your hat is showing.
0
Reply
Male 2,143
If you are stupid enough to believe in a make-believe man in the sky, you deserve my scorn. Only an idiot would believe that crap.
0
Reply
Male 1,059
Being a self-righteous atheist ass-hat doesn`t make you a good person, either.
0
Reply
Male 14,774
If you believe in Heaven, then good for you. But you have to believe in Hell to make it matter whether God exists, and almost by definition, if you believe in heaven or hell, you believe in God.

In the beginning, Man created imaginary gods to explain fill in for ignorance. When it became apparent that worshipping imaginary gods did not produce results on earth, Man created an infinite heaven and hell to justify doing thing that didn`t make worldly sense.
0
Reply
Male 14,774
"
WRONG! Only Christians are good people. If you are not a Christian you will be sent directly to hell for disobeying God.

Even pedophiles will go to heaven if they ask for forgiveness but all you dumb f*cking atheists will rot in hell for eternity!"

LOOOOL. What`s this heaven and hell you speak of?
0
Reply
Female 1,803
The thing I dislike the most about religion is the blatant hypocrisy of most of the people who claim to be religious. For most people, it`s just a facade they put on just to keep up appearances. You`ll never find a person pretending to be an atheist but you`ll find plenty of people pretending to believe in God and trying to live according to their religion`s tenets. They bow their heads in church and go right back to being an a-hole the rest of the week.
0
Reply
Female 3,180
I had a pastor that told us once that going to church doesn`t make you a christian/good person anymore than standing in a garage makes you a buick.
0
Reply
Male 5,564
@5Cats,
It may be anti-hypocritical-Christian. Not anti-Christian. Trying to show every religion would have required a book, not a cartoon. Making it be just anti-Christian gives an out to those reigious hypocrites (Christian ones, at least) who will ignore the meaningful message that it`s actually trying to deliver. I can`t help wondering if it was done by a Christian who lost his faith and is getting a lot of crap for that.
0
Reply
Male 5,564
@richanddead,
I agree with your original post pretty much completely. I don`t really agree, though, that this is religion bashing. Yes, it could have used a different or, even better, a made up religion, but it does seem that the groups doing the most fault-finding on the basis of non-belief are Christian ones and that may be the reason a Christian was chosen. In a later post you comment that it "specifically attacks the notion of religion". It really doesn`t, I think. It`s attacking the notion of some religious people (of all religions - it shows a Christian, clearly, but comments only about religious people) that they are better than the non-religious on the basis of belief alone. That is, with no regard at all for how they behave, how they treat others. It would have been better if no type of religious belief had been shown, you`re right, but the actual point of the cartoon is correct.
0
Reply
Male 2,096
Yes, please include all religions in this to get it right.
0
Reply
Male 36,410
@Patchouly: LOLZ! I know, but I thought I`d limit it to the topic in the picture, eh?
After all: the picture DOES single out Christians specifically...

Like @richanddead said: bigots come in all shapes, sizes and colours!

This might not even be "intended as anti-Christian" by whoever made it! It may just be a "reminder" for Christians to act "Christ-Like" outside of church as well as inside. Hard to tell... if so it`s a valid (BUT poorly executed) point!

But IAB`s track record suggests it`s anti-Christian.
0
Reply
Male 4,746
5Cats
"Because ONLY Christians are mean people!"
-----

No...most other religions fall into that category as well.
0
Reply
Male 3,909
"Because ONLY Christians are mean people!"

You clearly missed the point of this. It`s showing someone who thinks they`re a good person just because they go to church, regardless of whatever else they do in their lives. I know a few people who call themselves "Christian" that don`t act "Christ-like" at all yet they wholeheartedly believe it`s all good because they`re at mass every Sunday. I also know Christians who are genuinely good people all around and only step foot in a church on Christmas & Easter. Same goes for atheists, Muslims, Jews, etc. If you`re a good person, good for you! If you`re a douchebag, f*ck you!

I don`t care how you live your life but if you`re going to be a dick to everyone and think going to church makes up for it you`re a f*cking a$$hole.
0
Reply
Male 1,745
"Atheists are all SAINTS! Oh wait... um, what`s the atheistic equivalent of a "saint"? Anyone know? "

A Nobel prize winner? (Like Obama)
0
Reply
Male 676
Just because you aim most of your animosity at people that you deem religious, doesn`t inherently make you a good person either.
People wait around for others that say they are Christians, to mess up or do something un-Christian like so they can say "Aha, I knew it!"
You`re also basing your opinion off of some "bad" things you saw them do.
I consider myself a Christ follower, but I can also tell you to go f yourself when you sit there in judgment of me because of your preconceived notions.
0
Reply
Male 3,949
@Heliquinn:

I disagree, if this was simply pointing out people who hold hypocritical views then their would be a variety of groups mentioned. This cartoon focuses on a christian woman and specifically attacks the notion of religion.

I agree there are religious hypocrites out there, there are atheist hypocrites too. There are hypocrites of all forms, nations and creeds. I think it would be fair to say that everyone has been hypocritical at least once in their life. But focusing a cartoon where only one group is doing wrong is bigoted.

If I made a cartoon where only a atheist woman didn`t donate and was mean it would be bigoted that way as well. If I made a cartoon where only a Jewish person steals things it would be bigoted. If I made a cartoon where only the black person was depicted as lazy it would be bigoted.

It`s the fact that it chooses to focus on only one particular group and depicts only them as hypocrites that makes it bigoted.
0
Reply
Male 36,410
Because ONLY Christians are mean people!

Atheists are all SAINTS!
Oh wait... um, what`s the atheistic equivalent of a "saint"? Anyone know?

Holy Cow! Massive stereotyping much? And people complain about MY posts? I`ll put my suggestions up against THIS CRAP any day...
0
Reply
Male 50
It is not easy to avoid such an easy target. Hypocrisy can be found in practically every Christian and those with a muddled view of the tenets of the faith believe any sin or any flaw in personality is in direct violation to their beliefs. Ergo they are a hypocrite. A liar. A `bad person`. It is, I believe, a natural human impulse to simply jump on the obvious failings of other people. Whether that be their weight, skin condition, or lack of education, (I`ve met many long into their 40`s who cannot read a single word despite being born in America). I will end this saying that I`ve seen as many Christians be openly kind to those in public need as I`ve seen atheists, Muslims, or Jews. None. The ones who do the random acts of good no one notices don`t brag about it because to do so would destroy why we did it to begin with. Kindness and compassion, selflessness and understanding need no Viral video and need no MEME to make their impression felt. Those who we help know who we are.
0
Reply
Male 50
I find that trying to define good people in such a simple graphic is pointless. Often there are things done for the greater good that many overlook even if they are atrocious in the interim. Many successful Christians I`ve met harbor some of the very attitudes this graphic represents. This is by no means bashing Christianity. It is casting light on many who do the lip service but in the end feel as if charitable action is unnecessary. One of my oldest friends is very devout but finds giving to any cause to be simply `not teaching a man to fish but giving him his dinner.` I could be pompous and say he is a poser to his faith but I wouldn`t be right. His is another point of view that I simply disagree with. Openly devout Christians are like any other group of people that proclaim their belief with their entire self. They dare to say "This is where I stand" and the whole world feels authorized to make them stand and be counted.
0
Reply
Male 3,949
I`m agnostic, but saying Christians are not charitable, don`t help animals, and are mean spirited people who yell at maids is just blatantly false. Some of the biggest charities on earth are christian charities and they help donate billions to all people in need, not just people of their faith. And the part about the christian talking about other people or not agreeing with people with different views is a pretty hypocritical coming from a cartoon bashing religion.

I would agree simply being religious does not make you a good person, just as being from a certain country does not make you a good person, being part of a certain political party doesn`t make you a good person, having a certain job doesn`t make you a good person, having no religion does not make you a good person, ect.

This is just another religion bashing troll post. Attacking other people for what they believe is just as bad as any other type of bigotry.
0
Reply
Male 13
this is not funny, nor did it relive my boredom. It was just really preachy.
0
Reply
Male 639
WRONG! Only Christians are good people. If you are not a Christian you will be sent directly to hell for disobeying God.

Even pedophiles will go to heaven if they ask for forgiveness but all you dumb f*cking atheists will rot in hell for eternity!
0
Reply
Male 1,454
Reminds me of these verses:

"Take heed and beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees." Matthew 16:6

"Ye shall know them by their fruits." Matthew 7:16
0
Reply
Male 5,564
And, by the same logic, not being religious doesn`t make you a bad person.
0
Reply
Male 938
Link: Are You A Good Person? [Pic] [Rate Link] - Actions speak louder than words.
0
Reply