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Date: 11/06/13 04:49 PM

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    kitteh9lives Female 70 & Over
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    November 6, 2013 at 3:40 pm
    Link: 10 Kick Ass Random Facts - With 10 kick ass random sources.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    November 6, 2013 at 5:05 pm
    Medical bills were a FACTOR, NOT the PRIME REASON for that 60%. There were plenty of other stupid things they were doing that led them to bankruptcy sans medical bills.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    31764 posts
    November 6, 2013 at 5:14 pm
    Museums have lots of fakes, it`s hard to avoid. It`s a double-edged sword for them: How hard to look? What if they find them & it`s their best stuff?

    So Steve Irwin`s Dad is just as cool as Steve was? Cool!
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    bliznik Male 30-39
    784 posts
    November 6, 2013 at 5:19 pm
    haha, love the tea bag story.
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    Runemang Male 30-39
    2676 posts
    November 6, 2013 at 5:34 pm
    I like the Boston Strangler one.

    ANd the medical insurance one ... been there, done that, to the letter.
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    SmagBoy1 Male 40-49
    4432 posts
    November 6, 2013 at 6:53 pm
    Yeah, boy, that bankruptcy one. Must make the hearts of Republicans and 5Cats just sing with joy.
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    SmagBoy1 Male 40-49
    4432 posts
    November 6, 2013 at 6:59 pm
    Typical, Cajun247. Didn`t read even the single source offered, much less try to actually dig a little deeper. Typical, but not surprising.
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    DingDingDong Male 30-39
    1511 posts
    November 6, 2013 at 7:05 pm

    I love that these all had sources listed. So refreshing.
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    turdburglar Male 30-39
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    November 6, 2013 at 7:30 pm

    Yer darn right smagboy.

    Our crazy (to the point of disability) CANADIAN WITH NO JOB who`s living off other peoples contributions to society, would absolutely hate for Americans to enjoy the same healthcare he abuses every day.

    How about this...mental illness is a piss poor excuse for lazy jerks to stay unemployed and troll IAB.

    Let`s have more posts about Canada`s problems
    with losers who abuse their healthcare system.

    It doesn`t matter if what we do INSIDE America is right or wrong for other Americans...if your Canadian.



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    Stormith Female 18-29
    543 posts
    November 6, 2013 at 9:00 pm
    Sources are great, it`s cool to see actual facts showing up
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    November 6, 2013 at 9:46 pm
    SmagBoy: If there was tort reform, that would end "jackpot" medical lawsuits, which in turn would lower all insurance and healthcare costs. Doctors wouldn`t feel the need to over prescribe expensive tests just to cover their asses.

    It would also help if the medical school tuition wasn`t obscenely expensive, So much so that it takes doctors ten years or more to pay off their student loans.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17515 posts
    November 6, 2013 at 9:48 pm
    turdburglar: "...mental illness is a piss poor excuse for lazy jerks to stay unemployed and troll IAB."

    Then what the hell are you doing here? Get back under your bridge.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    31764 posts
    November 6, 2013 at 11:02 pm
    Yeah, boy, that bankruptcy one.
    @SmagBoy1: NO part of the ACA even tries to touch "tort reform" BY the Democrat`s design! They outright REJECTED all calls that it be included. Both BEFORE and AFTER the Bill passed!

    Neither does it address Doctors having to carry policies costing $300,000 OR MORE just to practice!

    NOR DOES IT STOP THAT HORRIBLE PRACTICE from happening! Companies can still cancel your policy for the slightest whims, perhaps even more easily! Just sign up on the ACA for a "better one" they`ll say!

    But go on! Try working "blame Republicans" into EVERY discussion... try and FAIL, mostly...
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    Nickel2 Male 50-59
    5879 posts
    November 7, 2013 at 1:50 am
    WOW! A post about health-care and after 12 replies no-one has mentioned O`bama.
    Surely this is a record for IAB.
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    SmagBoy1 Male 40-49
    4432 posts
    November 7, 2013 at 4:52 am
    CJ and 5Cats, tort reform is needed, no doubt, but the Republicans support it no more than the Dems, so you can`t lay that on Dems. What you CAN lay on the Republicans, though, is, a) no universal health care (that would solve ALL of this), b) no interstate competition between insurance companies (which would greatly reduce prices.

    Finally, just so you know the truth, tort reform DOESN`T reduce prices. Look at TX and CA where medical malpractice suits are capped. Malpractice insurance prices have been halved, but have costs been affected at all? No.
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    bacon_pie Male 30-39
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    November 7, 2013 at 5:48 am
    I miss Steve Irwin

    @Nickel2 Is that the Irish side of Obama?
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    RobSwindol Male 30-39
    2508 posts
    November 7, 2013 at 5:50 am
    Something tells me that Steve Irwin craved to be anything but "ordinary". Perhaps it was the TV show. Maybe it was the terrible movie.
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    robthelurker Male 18-29
    2660 posts
    November 7, 2013 at 7:08 am
    man am i glad to be a pillar of excellent health. i cant even remember the last time i went to see a doctor. hey wait a minute, where the hell did that mole on my arm come from?
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    HumanAction Male 18-29
    2357 posts
    November 7, 2013 at 7:49 am
    @SmagBoy

    I really don`t think that you understood Cajun`s point; yet, unsurprisingly, you felt inclined to lambast it. There are many other facets to the referenced "stupid things" than living an excessive lifestyle - which is what you assumed he was getting at. For example, the overwhelming majority of health crises are the fault of the victim. One need not look any further than obesity to know this to be true.

    As for universal healthcare, any insurance market necessarily will suffer from similar outcomes. The only viable option is a pay per service model.

    @Crakr and @5Cats

    Do either of you have any sources with data regarding frivolous lawsuits. I have yet to see a single reputable study that cites such lawsuits as a major contributor (greater than single digit percentages) to healthcare costs. If you have one, I would certainly appreciate seeing it.
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    SmagBoy1 Male 40-49
    4432 posts
    November 7, 2013 at 9:38 am
    HumanAction, you`re wrong on so many counts. First of all, Obesity has nothing to do with bankruptcy. As for the health crisis, the looming issue is the aging Boomer population, not obesity, which, yes, will be a problem in the coming years, no doubt.

    Also, Pay for Service is on the way out and being replaced with Pay for Performance, which is a FAR more viable alternative, one being pushed by insurance companies and the government (by far the two biggest payers of healthcare in the country).

    As for studies, no, they don`t. Because, as I stated, it`s not an issue. It`s a Republican ploy to shift blame onto "leeches" and "lazy people" and "people who don`t work" and "people with no insurance".
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    HumanAction Male 18-29
    2357 posts
    November 7, 2013 at 9:50 am
    @SmagBoy

    Again, you`re completely missing the point. What are some of the most common medical problems likely to lead to expensive procedures that could bankrupt a family?

    Diabetes, heart disease, stroke, cancer, respiratory disease.

    Which of these are related to obesity and/or choices made? Oh - all of them. Even many cancers are now starting to be recognized as environmental and/or diet-related.

    So, again, the point is that a large number of people make stupid decisions regarding their health than lead to expensive procedures that ultimately bankrupt them.

    The bankruptcy you`re so willing to fault is very oftentimes caused by stupid decisions - just like Cajun said previously.

    I hope this clarifies where you are incorrect.
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    HumanAction Male 18-29
    2357 posts
    November 7, 2013 at 9:52 am
    @SmagBoy

    Also, Pay for Service is on the way out and being replaced with Pay for Performance, which is a FAR more viable alternative
    Not what I meant though I can see why you thought I meant it the way you did.

    I meant that we should be rid of insurance schemes and pay for our own procedures. This could mean either free market (my preference) or subsidized pay-per-service such as the Hong Kong model.
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    HumanAction Male 18-29
    2357 posts
    November 7, 2013 at 10:02 am
    @SmagBoy

    First of all, Obesity has nothing to do with bankruptcy.
    Obesity -> Heart Disease -> Expensive Drugs -> Bankruptcy
    Obesity -> Heart Disease -> Heart Attack -> Surgery -> Bankruptcy
    Obesity -> Hypertension -> Stroke -> Surgery -> Bankruptcy
    Obesity -> Diabeties -> Insulin Treatments -> Bankruptcy
    Obesity -> Hypertenstion -> Renal Failure -> Surgery -> Bankruptcy
    Obesity -> Metabolic Syndrome -> Expensive Drugs -> Bankruptcy
    Obesity -> Cancer -> Therapy -> Bankruptcy
    Obesity -> Osteoarthritis -> Restorative Surgery -> Bankruptcy

    This list can go on and on. Saying that obesity is not related to medical bankruptcy is just silly.
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    SmagBoy1 Male 40-49
    4432 posts
    November 7, 2013 at 10:20 am
    Okay, HumanAction, if you want to give Cajun that much credit, that the "stupid actions" he was talking about ware "overeating to the point of obesity", fine. I`m guessing that`s not what he was talking about, though.

    As for obesity leading to all of those costs, fine, I can`t argue that what you`ve said makes sense, but if you look at who`s filing or bankruptcy, and the procedures that caused it, there aren`t just obesity-related health issues. Cancer is a huge one. Look at the highest costs here and tell me which ones are overeating related.

    I`m not saying your idea doesn`t hold water, just that it`s not the majority cause that you think it is.
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    HumanAction Male 18-29
    2357 posts
    November 7, 2013 at 10:32 am
    @SmagBoy

    That`s a pretty good list. The problem I see with it is that it doesn`t really take into account the number of discharges; they`re there, but not sortable.

    For instance, the top ten had all of 351,985 discharges total.

    Comparatively:

    Respiratory Failure had 336,350 at #13.
    Heart Attack had 662,345 at #25.
    Atherosclerosis and heart disease had 1,109,648 at #41.
    Osteoarthritis had 738,416 at #61.
    Stroke had 526,147 at #73.
    Congestive heart failure had 1,090,197 at #95.

    So on and so forth. Yes, there are unlucky people who get diseases through no fault of their own that are obscenely expensive to treat. If you look at the numbers though, you`ll see that the really big, expensive, and common problems are related to poor decision making.
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    HumanAction Male 18-29
    2357 posts
    November 7, 2013 at 10:37 am
    @SmagBoy

    As for cancers, according to just the NIH, the following cancers are related to obesity:

    "Being overweight or obese raises your risk for colon, breast, endometrial, and gallbladder cancers."

    That`s just NIH though. I`m sure we can find studies linking several more cancers to obesity and diet.
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    SmagBoy1 Male 40-49
    4432 posts
    November 7, 2013 at 10:44 am
    Okay, HumanAction, I`m out.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    31764 posts
    November 7, 2013 at 11:32 am
    @HumanAction: All I know is:
    1 - It costs about $200,000/year for US doctors to carry "lawsuit insurance" (idk what the "fancy name" for it is...) or more.
    2 - That cost is passed directly to the consumer, of course.
    3 - Who then need insurance to pay for... the doctor!

    So the insurance is needed to pay for the insurance which pays for the lawyers in lawsuits.

    @SmagBoy1: Cancer is -never- caused by smoking or excessive sun tanning or other -stupid- things?
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    31764 posts
    November 7, 2013 at 11:41 am
    After all! One of the FIRST THINGS Obama did once entering office was...

    TAX TANNING BEDS!

    And he said: This will save citizens money because it will lower cancer rates!

    Remember that?
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    Tupinambis Male 18-29
    568 posts
    November 7, 2013 at 10:46 pm
    No poo on the ZIP bit. I could compress Ten Peta-peta-peta bytes of "data" into 1 bit. It just wouldn`t provide you with any useful information. Sort of like this fact.

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