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Who Closed Yellowstone & Iwo Jima Memorial? [Pic+]

Who Really Shut Down Yellowstone Park?

Obama Closes Iwo Jima Memorial? – Actual veterans of Iwo Jima have NO problem freeing it! Bless their hearts!

Police Remove Visitors From Vietnam Memorial – Says NBC News. The peasants shall not storm the Bastille!!


Prez Obama blames… the Tea Party? Heaven Forbid that US citizens should have a voice… Veterans fight back.

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  1. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
    31762 posts
    October 6, 2013 at 4:28 pm
    Link: Who Closed Yellowstone & Iwo Jima Memorial? - Prez Obama blames... the Tea Party? Heaven Forbid that US citizens should have a voice... Veterans fight back.
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    3002-3038 Female 18-29
    633 posts
    October 6, 2013 at 4:46 pm
    on a side note, tea party(ers) are dumb-asses.
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    pazerlenis Male 40-49
    1380 posts
    October 6, 2013 at 5:03 pm
    Hey 5cats, how has the Gov`t shutdown affected you personally way up there in Canada?

    And yes, I find it hilarious that you, of all people, would end up being the IAB voice of the tea party. :)
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17515 posts
    October 6, 2013 at 5:06 pm
    It`s cost more money to close these outdoor memorials than leave them open. Obama`s plan to "make it hurt" is only hurting him and his agenda.

    Obama`s job approval is 41%-43% and sinking.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17515 posts
    October 6, 2013 at 5:09 pm
    pazerlenis: Obama has been a disaster for the whole free world, not just America.
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    pazerlenis Male 40-49
    1380 posts
    October 6, 2013 at 5:17 pm
    @CrakrJak Oh, I didn`t realize the US Gov`t closing was going to close national parks in Canada too (since that was what I was talking about and what the article is about).

    I also like how you gloss over the fact that conservatives are playing a bigger part in the shutdown than anyone else.

    But please, carry on. You don`t look silly at all. Not. One. Bit.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17515 posts
    October 6, 2013 at 5:25 pm
    pazerlenis: "conservatives are playing a bigger part in the shutdown than anyone else."

    It was Obama`s direct orders to close outdoor parks, Republicans had nothing to do with that.
    The house republicans have also passed several budgets that Harry Reid hasn`t even allowed a vote on in the senate. The last budget the senate passed was on April 29th 2009, that was over 1600 days ago.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    31762 posts
    October 6, 2013 at 5:36 pm
    T-T-TRIPLE SHOT!

    Hey @panzerlenis: How about you discuss the TOPIC and refrain from the PERSONAL ATTACKS troll-boy? Oh right! You cannot defend Obama, so you have to attack any who DARE question him!

    Post #1: Yellowstone Park: Actually? Did I submit that one?

    Post #2: Obama shuts down the Iwo Jima Memorial? Actual Veterans of the Iwo Jima Campaign re-take it! Not nearly as difficult as the island...

    Iwo Jima: Feb & March 1945

    Post #3 Police actually remove citizens from the Vietnam Memorial. Some IABers claimed this wasn`t happening? Well it is! Ordered by The White House directly...

    Remember The Bastille IAB Liberals? It was perfectly "legal" too!
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    dirtysteve00 Male 30-39
    373 posts
    October 6, 2013 at 5:54 pm
    ` plan to "make it hurt" is only hurting him and his agenda. `

    Isn`t that the same plane Republimean persons are using?

    If the US economy tanks again, it affects the whole world, all thanks to scum like you who cant see past the end of your own fat gut.
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    pazerlenis Male 40-49
    1380 posts
    October 6, 2013 at 5:57 pm
    @CrakrJak "It was Obama`s direct orders to close outdoor parks, Republicans had nothing to do with that."

    You are being disingenuous here. Either you have no understanding as to how the government works, or you are trying to create a fictional story that people with less understanding might believe. If I change the political party and topic a bit, it becomes perfectly clear how unreasonable your argument is.

    If Dems were out to defund the military and used budget talks to shut down the government over it, I`d expect a Republican president to not compromise. I`d expect the prez to shut down many things, but I wouldn`t blame him over it. He`s not the one who refused to pass a budget and failed to fund those programs.

    But I wouldn`t be surprised at all if your doppelganger came out and said, "Republican Prez is killing babies `cause he shut down food stamps!"

    That statement is no more absurd than yours is.
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    pazerlenis Male 40-49
    1380 posts
    October 6, 2013 at 6:05 pm
    @5cats, I must apologize for the insult if it hurt your feelings. I thought you`d have thicker skin than this given the insults you tend to throw out yourself.

    I promise to be more careful in the future and try not to say something that would hurt your feelings. Just to be sure, this is what I believe are your rules for engagement:
    1.) Do not disagree with 5cats, or any of his Internet friends. Their opinions are really just facts so there is nothing to argue over.
    2.) Do not make fun of the fact that 5cats is Canadian, but is creepily passionate about US politics.
    3.) Do not question half-truths, lies-masked-as-truths, or opinions-stated-as-truths unless the person happens to be Liberal.

    Did you want to add any? Maybe something about "no your Momma jokes" or something like that?

    And yes, I understand that while I have to follow these rules, you are under no obligation to follow anything.
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    whodat6484 Male 30-39
    3907 posts
    October 6, 2013 at 7:33 pm
    @pazerlenis - You`re right on the money with your assessment of 5Cats. His opinions are irrefutable facts and you`ll never, I repeat NEVER, win an argument with him. The instant you rebut one of his statements, regardless of how many facts/sources you cite, he immediately perceives it as a personal attack and goes full retard. It`s not worth it, trust me.
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
    15844 posts
    October 6, 2013 at 7:54 pm
    Our side has the Tea Party.


    Your side has Occupy Wall Street.


    People who live in $#!+houses shouldn`t fling their turds.
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    MrJB Male 18-29
    64 posts
    October 6, 2013 at 8:03 pm
    The GOP`s attempts to reopen these parks are them trying to save face after throwing a temper tantrum over Obamacare.

    People want health care, get over it. You don`t shut down the whole government just because you don`t get your way.

    This whole thing is poo. The Republican party is poo. Stop posting crap like this.
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    747Pilot Male 18-29
    1455 posts
    October 6, 2013 at 8:23 pm

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    Draculya Male 40-49
    14544 posts
    October 6, 2013 at 8:45 pm
    "Our side has ..."

    ^^^ This, America, is why you have only half a functioning government.
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    pazerlenis Male 40-49
    1380 posts
    October 6, 2013 at 8:55 pm
    @whodat6484 "I repeat NEVER, win an argument with him."

    That`s the problem right there. We live in a democracy (well, representative republic anyway). Democratic rule requires reasoned debate and compromise. If one side wins, we all actually loose. We need both conservative and liberal worldviews in order to have a healthy society. One keeps us evolving (moving forward) while the other keeps society from becoming unstable with change.

    The real "battle" going on is extremists vs. moderates. The media hypes up the controversy to sell their programming and the viewers keep thinking in an us-vs-them mentality that just helps to promote a broken system.

    I don`t have an issue with most of the views expressed here for the most part (my opinion isn`t better than anyone else`s), but I do have an issue with the blatant manipulation of facts in order to promote that agenda.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
    6183 posts
    October 6, 2013 at 9:13 pm
    OldOllie

    "Our side has the Tea Party."

    Yep, and you and all the people in that picture will be dead in 20-30 years and our society will be better off. Enjoy your shrinking sphere of influence while you can. Every obituary shrinks the republican party.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
    6183 posts
    October 6, 2013 at 9:15 pm
    "You`re right on the money with your assessment of 5Cats. His opinions are irrefutable facts and you`ll never, I repeat NEVER, win an argument with him. The instant you rebut one of his statements, regardless of how many facts/sources you cite, he immediately perceives it as a personal attack and goes full retard. It`s not worth it, trust me."

    How hard can I ditto this? Repeat it in all caps? OK.

    YOU`RE RIGHT ON THE MONEY WITH YOUR ASSESSMENT OF 5CATS. HIS OPINIONS ARE IRREFUTABLE FACTS AND YOU`LL NEVER, I REPEAT NEVER, WIN AN ARGUMENT WITH HIM. THE INSTANT YOU REBUT ONE OF HIS STATEMENTS, REGARDLESS OF HOW MANY FACTS/SOURCES YOU CITE, HE IMMEDIATELY PERCEIVES IT AS A PERSONAL ATTACK AND GOES FULL RETARD. IT`S NOT WORTH IT, TRUST ME.
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    MrOrange Male 30-39
    2398 posts
    October 6, 2013 at 9:57 pm
    YOU`RE RIGHT ON THE MONEY WITH YOUR ASSESSMENT OF 5CATS. HIS OPINIONS ARE IRREFUTABLE FACTS AND YOU`LL NEVER, I REPEAT NEVER, WIN AN ARGUMENT WITH HIM. THE INSTANT YOU REBUT ONE OF HIS STATEMENTS, REGARDLESS OF HOW MANY FACTS/SOURCES YOU CITE, HE IMMEDIATELY PERCEIVES IT AS A PERSONAL ATTACK AND GOES FULL RETARD. IT`S NOT WORTH IT, TRUST ME.

    AMEN!

    just to be sure.

    AMEN!
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    Squrlz4Sale Male 40-49
    6230 posts
    October 6, 2013 at 10:06 pm
    I concur.

    YOU`RE RIGHT ON THE MONEY WITH YOUR ASSESSMENT OF 5CATS. HIS OPINIONS ARE IRREFUTABLE FACTS AND YOU`LL NEVER, I REPEAT NEVER, WIN AN ARGUMENT WITH HIM. THE INSTANT YOU REBUT ONE OF HIS STATEMENTS, REGARDLESS OF HOW MANY FACTS/SOURCES YOU CITE, HE IMMEDIATELY PERCEIVES IT AS A PERSONAL ATTACK AND GOES FULL RETARD. IT`S NOT WORTH IT, TRUST ME.

    Fancy and the mods should have banned him long ago. (Is ANYONE in IAB HQ listening?) He has HIJACKED what used to be an entertaining website into a vehicle to push his venomous, narrow-minded, far-right agenda.

    It`s getting so that I feel like I have to take a shower every time I visit this website so as to get all the vitriolic slime off my fur.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
    6183 posts
    October 6, 2013 at 10:11 pm
    Squirlz

    "Fancy and the mods should have banned him long ago. (Is ANYONE in IAB HQ listening?) He has HIJACKED what used to be an entertaining website into a vehicle to push his venomous, narrow-minded, far-right agenda."

    He submits it, but THEY post it. I`ve said it before, but IAB LOVES 5Cats. His posts get TONS of hits because we come on here to argue with him and tell him how much his submissions suck. Hits is all they care about from a business perspective, OBVIOUSLY. If they cared about making a site full of content its users actually enjoyed they wouldn`t approve 5 posts a day from a guy whose posts routinely get below a 2 rating.
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    tedgp Male 30-39
    3287 posts
    October 6, 2013 at 10:14 pm
    5cats. Probably the best troll iab has ever had.

    Well played sir. Well played.
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    Squrlz4Sale Male 40-49
    6230 posts
    October 6, 2013 at 10:24 pm
    @ HolyGod: You may be right about that--and if you are, I may leave I-A-B. I`ve been giving a lot of thought regarding doing just that today. Participating on a website that promotes partisan vitriol seems to me to be hard to defend from an ethical standpoint.

    You see, the problem is this: If I stay here, I feel compelled to combat his thought-garbage and lies lest my silence be interpreted as endorsement. And frankly, I just want to come onto an entertainment website to have fun--not to wage battles against one person`s obsessions and hatreds, day in and day out.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
    6183 posts
    October 6, 2013 at 10:37 pm
    Squirlz

    "You may be right about that"

    There is just no other reason I can fathom. They know how his posts are rated. Just look at how many conservative-biased, democrat-bashing, shutdown / healthcare related content of his has been posted in the last week. 7. Their ratings?
    1.4
    1.9
    1.8
    1.9
    1.9
    2.3
    2.1

    That is SHOCKINGLY low considering 1.0 is the LOWEST POSSIBLE SCORE.

    What is the point of the ratings system then? Obviously it does NOTHING to influence content.

    IAB should implement a system. If your average submission rating for a week falls below 2.5 then none of your submissions get posted the next week.

    Wouldn`t that work to make the site more full of content the group as a whole ACTUALLY enjoys? I mean if shows get bad ratings they get kicked off the air. How much more clear can we all make it that we don`t want this s.hit filling up our site?
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
    6183 posts
    October 6, 2013 at 10:40 pm
    I`m sure 5cats will jump in and say we are just the liberal brigade trying to shut him down like hitler killed jews and this is all a conspiracy.

    However if somebody was filling the site with biased drivel from liberal blogs and media that was getting down-voted I`d be JUST as irritated.

    I work all day. I don`t have time to scour the internet for interesting and entertaining stuff. This is the one site I come to and I really feel like it is time to look elsewhere.
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    Squrlz4Sale Male 40-49
    6230 posts
    October 6, 2013 at 10:43 pm
    @ HolyGod: Your ideas are excellent. I`d be all for it. Unfortunately, in the years I`ve been here, I haven`t seen I-A-B spend so much as a dime on enhancing the website`s code. Investing in the infrastructure doesn`t appear to be, shall we say, high on the list of priorities. So as great as your ideas are (and they are great; I can see why you`re an entrepreneur), I see little hope of them being enacted.
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    Squrlz4Sale Male 40-49
    6230 posts
    October 6, 2013 at 11:10 pm
    @ HolyGod: Failing your enhancements, another approach would be a rule stipulating that no single individual can post more than two political links per week. That would help.

    But I suspect your original thoughts concerning all this are correct: I-A-B doesn`t seem to care about content one way or the other, provided it generates page views. And that brings me back to the ethical aspect of all this. *sigh*
  29. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17515 posts
    October 6, 2013 at 11:35 pm
    HG & Squrlz: IAB is dominated by liberals, that`s not even debatable. Now you want to shut people like 5Cats up. Well how typically liberal that is. Obama tries to shut up the Tea Party via the IRS and you two would like to follow that here on IAB.

    "I really feel like it is time to look elsewhere."

    Don`t let the door hit ya where the good Lord split ya.

    "I-A-B doesn`t seem to care about content one way or the other.."

    I`ve seen many submissions completely ignored and some even deleted off the Live Submissions list in the past, simply because of their political content. So your accusations, that IAB doesn`t care, are bunk.

    "I-A-B spend so much as a dime on enhancing the website`s code."

    It`s been this way a long time, we`ve all expressed concern over it`s form and function. Either get used to it or don`t, but griping about it won`t get you results, trust me.
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    flying_ltj Male 18-29
    340 posts
    October 6, 2013 at 11:36 pm
    1note is a 1note.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
    6183 posts
    October 7, 2013 at 12:20 am
    Crakr

    "IAB is dominated by liberals, that`s not even debatable."

    When you are as far right of center as you and 5Cats are, almost EVERYONE is "liberal". It is all a matter of perspective. I have friends that think I`m "conservative" because of my views on abortion, crime, welfare, and capitalism.

    "Now you want to shut people like 5Cats up."

    Nope. Everyone should get to express their views. You don`t think once a day , on the same side of the same subject from the same person is a bit much? There is no "liberal" user that posts this much biased content, not even CLOSE, and you know it.

    "Obama tries to shut up the Tea Party via the IRS and you two would like to follow that here on IAB."

    No proof whatsoever of this, but feel free to keep repeating ad nauseum if it makes you feel better.
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    MrOrange Male 30-39
    2398 posts
    October 7, 2013 at 12:49 am
    "@ HolyGod: You may be right about that--and if you are, I may leave I-A-B. I`ve been giving a lot of thought regarding doing just that today."

    i have been thinking about dropping iab too, it`s just lacking in fun intresting/mindblowing posts
    the only one who gets the spirit seems to be likeigiveash. the only thing that keeps me comming back is habit, being comming here for a lot of years now..
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    Bakcagain21 Male 18-29
    560 posts
    October 7, 2013 at 2:50 am
    I like eggs }-)
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
    10339 posts
    October 7, 2013 at 4:03 am
    So the Amber Alert network got shut down.

    Let that sink in for a moment.

    Obama`s federally funded golf course is still operational. How much does that cost?

    There are rumors going around that they are about to close the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier. I can`t believe that one, I don`t think?
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    Musuko42 Male 18-29
    2850 posts
    October 7, 2013 at 4:20 am
    @5cats

    They had their voice. The law went through all the correct processes.

    But because they didn`t like the outcome, they`ve now hijacked the democratic process. That isn`t acceptable, and Obama is right not to give into it, because it would make it a legitimate tactic for any disgruntled group in the future...including those you DON`T personally agree with.

    Can you imagine how loudly you`d be screaming if the liberals had done that? I can. I`d be able to hear it from over here.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
    10339 posts
    October 7, 2013 at 4:37 am
    Musoko acts like the Dems never initiated a shutdown for political reasons before.

    8 times during Reagan. 8 times.

    Reagan negotiated each time, and avoided furloughs.
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    Musuko42 Male 18-29
    2850 posts
    October 7, 2013 at 4:57 am
    @auburnjunky

    "Musoko acts like the Dems never initiated a shutdown for political reasons before."

    I didn`t say that, did I?

    The democrats are wrong for doing it too. Nobody should be attempting to hijack the proper system to get their way, regardless of whether or not I agree with what their way is.

    Is that clear enough for you?

    Btw, my name is not that hard to spell.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17515 posts
    October 7, 2013 at 5:11 am
    HG: "When you are as far right of center as you and 5Cats are."

    Squrlz`s own IAB political quiz chart proves you wrong on that. As I remember 5Cats was near Clinton, I was near Angela Merkel. Neither of those would be considered "far right".

    "There is no "liberal" user that posts this much biased content."

    Ha! Overall there is a left-leaning balance here on IAB of political/cultural posts. But you fault 5Cats because he contributes more personally?

    At least he cares enough to contribute regularly, like I do. If he didn`t, you wouldn`t be complaining about the resulting lefty bias.

    Having been here before you and 5Cats registered, you don`t remember just how far left IAB was before the 2010 elections. Now that there is a balance, you complain it`s too far to the right.

    Sorry, but the mods have heard both sides before, even the threats of leaving, so it`s doubtful you`re going to sway them.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
    10339 posts
    October 7, 2013 at 5:14 am
    Sorry bro. I spelled it sok instead of suk.

    Won`t happen again.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
    14273 posts
    October 7, 2013 at 6:05 am
    Ya it`s all the Repubs fault now tell me how the president doesn`t have the power to do the right thing and reopen these......
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    Musuko42 Male 18-29
    2850 posts
    October 7, 2013 at 6:19 am
    @McGovern1981

    The reason Obama won`t give in to their demands is because the demand is being made outside of the due process of how your laws are made.

    If he gives in, then this will make a mockery of your entire system of government and how laws are made and enacted, and will encourage future abuses like this.

    The tea party had their chance and their voice when this law went through all the various proper stages of debate and voting. They lost. They are not trying to cheat the process with this tactic because they didn`t like the outcome of the due process. Obama is right not to give in.

    (And past Republican presidents shouldn`t have given in to Democrats using the same tactic).

    THAT is why. And you KNOW this.
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    normalfreak2 Male 18-29
    3365 posts
    October 7, 2013 at 6:46 am
    Woo I agree!

    YOU`RE RIGHT ON THE MONEY WITH YOUR ASSESSMENT OF 5CATS. HIS OPINIONS ARE IRREFUTABLE FACTS AND YOU`LL NEVER, I REPEAT NEVER, WIN AN ARGUMENT WITH HIM. THE INSTANT YOU REBUT ONE OF HIS STATEMENTS, REGARDLESS OF HOW MANY FACTS/SOURCES YOU CITE, HE IMMEDIATELY PERCEIVES IT AS A PERSONAL ATTACK AND GOES FULL RETARD. IT`S NOT WORTH IT, TRUST ME.

    Fancy and the mods should have banned him long ago. (Is ANYONE in IAB HQ listening?) He has HIJACKED what used to be an entertaining website into a vehicle to push his venomous, narrow-minded, far-right agenda.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
    14273 posts
    October 7, 2013 at 7:19 am
    @Musuko42

    Now tell me how him keeping these places closed has anything to do with it? They`re both to blame his job as president is to negotiate not say NO MY WAY OR I`M GOINGZ TO KICK AND SCREAM LIKE A LITTLE BITCH. He`s shown a lack of maturity numerous time before this.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
    14273 posts
    October 7, 2013 at 7:36 am
    Fancy and the mods should have banned him long ago. (Is ANYONE in IAB HQ listening?) He has HIJACKED what used to be an entertaining website into a vehicle to push his venomous, narrow-minded, far-right agenda.


    They were approved by a MOD. So you want someone banned because they don`t share the same opinion as you? MY HOW LIBERAL OF YOU! I suppose you want a one party system(the one you follow blindly of course) in the USA too what could go wrong with that!
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    Bakcagain21 Male 18-29
    560 posts
    October 7, 2013 at 7:51 am
    Anyone else like eggs?
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    Musuko42 Male 18-29
    2850 posts
    October 7, 2013 at 7:54 am
    @McGovern1981

    "They`re both to blame his job as president is to negotiate not say NO MY WAY OR I`M GOINGZ TO KICK AND SCREAM LIKE A LITTLE BITCH."

    Are you for real? Seriously? The teapartiers shut down your government because they couldn`t get their way, and you think *Obama* is the one having the tantrum?

    The tea party held the country to ransom...and since when does America negotiate with people who do that? People who say "do what we want, or we`ll damage you"...does that sound familiar? There`s a word for it. Begins with T. Ends in ism.
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    Musuko42 Male 18-29
    2850 posts
    October 7, 2013 at 7:57 am
    @McGovern1981

    I mean...SERIOUSLY?!?!!?

    Obamacare went through all the legitimate channels of debate and democracy and law, and it passed through. The duly-elected representatives of the people created it into law. That`s how your system WORKS.

    And a small group who didn`t like this product of democratic process have tried to hijack and overturn it because they disagree with the law. Again, doesn`t that sound familiar?

    And you think OBAMA is in the wrong?!

    What

    The

    Actual

    ****

    Goes

    On

    In

    Your

    Head?
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    pazerlenis Male 40-49
    1380 posts
    October 7, 2013 at 8:00 am
    @McGovern1981 "I suppose you want a one party system(the one you follow blindly of course) in the USA too what could go wrong with that!"

    Actually that`s what you want. The liberal extremists want that too and its up to the rest of us to put you all back in the nutter hole you came from. There is no difference between you and the "liberals" you claim to hate. You are both destroying this country.

    What I want is about 70% less political crap on this site. The only point to it is to get everyone riled up and angry. If that`s the only way for the mods to keep people interested in this site, then I`m going to find another place to spend my time.
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    Oystah Female 40-49
    4033 posts
    October 7, 2013 at 8:36 am
    This is AWESOME! You are all mental and I love it.
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    dang007 Male 30-39
    596 posts
    October 7, 2013 at 9:05 am
    <<<The reason Obama won`t give in to their demands is because the demand is being made outside of the due process of how your laws are made.>>>

    Due process? Sorry exactly where in the constitution did you find this?????

    Stop making up crap.

    It is the role of congress to set the budget. The constitution makes no statement on what should be considered, or what should not considered when doing so. Each house sets its own rules for how it conducts business.

    According to your argument if congress passes a law requiring a payment of 2 million each year to my Uncle Joe, that can never be reviewed when the budget is set. How silly is that?
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
    14273 posts
    October 7, 2013 at 9:06 am
    Actually that`s what you want. The liberal extremists want that too and its up to the rest of us to put you all back in the nutter hole you came from. There is no difference between you and the "liberals" you claim to hate. You are both destroying this country.

    Actually when did I claim to belong to a party? In fact I`ve been stating they both suck balls this whole time.

    @Musuko42

    And who`s the person refusing to talk right now and doing the name calling?? The answer might make your head explode. If he wanted to open these parks he could which would be the adult thing to do he just want to make a scene just like the other side.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
    14273 posts
    October 7, 2013 at 9:08 am
    It is the role of congress to set the budget.

    BINGO! and our budget is FUBAR yet King Obama think he can keep throwing money around at everything.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
    14273 posts
    October 7, 2013 at 9:10 am

    What

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    Actual

    ****

    Goes

    On

    In

    Your

    Head?

    Cognitive

    F ucking

    thought

    processes!

    You should try it sometimes instead of following a party like a sheep.
  54. Profile photo of McGovern1981
    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
    14273 posts
    October 7, 2013 at 9:15 am
    You Obama drone are funny. EBRYONE WHO DISSAGREES WITH ANY OB MY OPINIONS IS A TEAPUBLICANZZZ!!! King obamaz sayz youz a terrorist...real mature BTW. Just like when he stuck his nose in a trail that had already reached a verdict real smart for a Pres.....
  55. Profile photo of HolyGod
    HolyGod Male 30-39
    6183 posts
    October 7, 2013 at 9:30 am
    McGovern1981

    "King Obama think he can keep throwing money around at everything."

    I`m sure you don`t know this, because the pundits you watch would never admit it, but the deficits are going down.

    2009: $1,413 billion
    2010: $1,294 billion
    2011: $1,300 billion
    2012: $1,087 billion
    2013*: $973 billion
    2014*: $744 billion
    2015*: $577 billion

    * estimates
  56. Profile photo of HolyGod
    HolyGod Male 30-39
    6183 posts
    October 7, 2013 at 9:30 am
    Crakr

    "Ha! Overall there is a left-leaning balance here on IAB of political/cultural posts."

    OK. Let`s check that.

    In the last week there have been 10 right-leaning or left-blaming political posts:

    Who Closed Yellowstone & Iwo Jima Memorial?
    Day 4 Of The Shutdown = Rioting & Looting!
    ObamaCare Sign-Up Site Offline
    Government Shutdown - Three Stooges to Blame!
    Storming The Barricades In Washington DC
    PANIC! TEH HORROR! The Shutdown Is Ridiculous
    3 Reasons Obamacare Isn`t Apple
    MSNBC News Reporter Trys To Sign Up
    14 FACTS About US Government Shutdowns!
    Machine Guns And Medical Marijuana

    There have been 2 left-leaning or right-blaming political posts:

    2 Basic Facts Regarding The Gov`t Shutdown
    California Rant

    10 to 2 seems BALANCED to you? Well I guess, you watch FOX News so I guess the terms "fair" and "balanced" may be a little off in your mind.
  57. Profile photo of McGovern1981
    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
    14273 posts
    October 7, 2013 at 9:35 am
    I`m sure you don`t know this, because the pundits you watch would never admit it, but the deficits are going down.

    ROFL!! He thinks I watch pundits!! Now tell me how a government enacting a typical bloated burecratic program like all the other it touches and a shutdown(with pay) over it is helping that debt??
  58. Profile photo of McGovern1981
    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
    14273 posts
    October 7, 2013 at 9:38 am
    BTW all source I see show our debt increasing. Here watch it tick away for yourself.....

    debt clock.
  59. Profile photo of HolyGod
    HolyGod Male 30-39
    6183 posts
    October 7, 2013 at 9:38 am
    Crakr

    "Squrlz`s own IAB political quiz chart proves you wrong on that. As I remember 5Cats was near Clinton, I was near Angela Merkel. Neither of those would be considered "far right"."

    And we all unanimously agreed that the chart skewed everyone to the left and wasn`t all that reliable. Do I need to post the comments. The chart may not have shown you that far right but almost everyone was quite left of you, so set the "center" by whatever averaging means you wish.

    If you REALLY think 5Cats is near Clinton you are crazier than I thought. 5Cats admits himself he is super partisan right on every issue and I respect that. No problem finding yourself ideologically on one side or the other. Your views are what they are. I just have a problem with you calling centrists "liberals" because to you they are quite a bit left.
  60. Profile photo of HolyGod
    HolyGod Male 30-39
    6183 posts
    October 7, 2013 at 9:39 am
    McGovern

    "BTW all source I see show our debt increasing. Here watch it tick away for yourself....."

    Do you truly not know the difference between debt and deficits? Was that a joke? Or do you need it explained?
  61. Profile photo of pazerlenis
    pazerlenis Male 40-49
    1380 posts
    October 7, 2013 at 9:40 am
    "You Obama drone are funny. EBRYONE WHO DISSAGREES WITH ANY OB MY OPINIONS IS A TEAPUBLICANZZZ!!! King obamaz sayz youz a terrorist...real mature BTW. Just like when he stuck his nose in a trail that had already reached a verdict real smart for a Pres....."

    This is what you say when you have nothing of value to add. Its no more than a 2-year-old having a temper tantrum.

    I honestly feel sorry for you McGovern1981. I really do.
  62. Profile photo of McGovern1981
    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
    14273 posts
    October 7, 2013 at 9:44 am
    Or this hmm yep going up not down....
  63. Profile photo of HolyGod
    HolyGod Male 30-39
    6183 posts
    October 7, 2013 at 9:46 am
    McGovern

    "BTW all source I see show our debt increasing. Here watch it tick away for yourself....."

    Do you truly not know the difference between debt and deficits? Was that a joke? Or do you need it explained?

    Do you see the section labeled "US FEDERAL BUDGET DEFICIT" on your link? See the numbers going down?

    That is an important indication. The deficit going down, because until deficits go down and become surpluses the debt isn`t going to stop.

    Since 1970 we have had deficits EVERY YEAR except 1998, 1999, 2000, and 2001.
  64. Profile photo of McGovern1981
    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
    14273 posts
    October 7, 2013 at 9:46 am
    This is what you say when you have nothing of value to add. Its no more than a 2-year-old having a temper tantrum.

    What like calling a party who disagrees with you terrorists and holding a gun to our head? S HIT I`M QUALIFIED TO BE PRESIDENT THEN!!
  65. Profile photo of HolyGod
    HolyGod Male 30-39
    6183 posts
    October 7, 2013 at 9:47 am
    McGovern1981

    "Or this hmm yep going up not down...."

    OK, I guess it wasn`t a joke. You actually don`t know the difference.
  66. Profile photo of dang007
    dang007 Male 30-39
    596 posts
    October 7, 2013 at 9:47 am
    This really made me laugh.

    >>>>McGovern1981

    "King Obama think he can keep throwing money around at everything."

    I`m sure you don`t know this, because the pundits you watch would never admit it, but the deficits are going down.

    2009: $1,413 billion
    2010: $1,294 billion
    2011: $1,300 billion
    2012: $1,087 billion
    2013*: $973 billion
    2014*: $744 billion
    2015*: $577 billion

    * estimates <<

    The only REAL year they went down was 2012. Any idea why???? Bingo. Sequestration.

    By the way you do realize that the DEBT goes up more than the deficit, largely because of unfunded mandates and other "agency" debt? Right? You do know what the newest unfunded mandate is right?
  67. Profile photo of McGovern1981
    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
    14273 posts
    October 7, 2013 at 9:48 am
    @HolyGod

    Yes I understand so he`s starting to run it less s hitty tell me how it still isn`t s hitty some more!
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    dang007 Male 30-39
    596 posts
    October 7, 2013 at 9:49 am
    Sorry before you jump on me. I left out the word "significantly". Should read

    The only REAL year they went down significantly was 2012. Any idea why???? Bingo. Sequestration.
  69. Profile photo of Musuko42
    Musuko42 Male 18-29
    2850 posts
    October 7, 2013 at 9:53 am
    @McGovern1981

    "You should try it sometimes instead of following a party like a sheep."

    I`m in the UK. It shows I`m not in the US, over there <<<<<<

    So how did you get the notion that I follow any of your parties?
  70. Profile photo of McGovern1981
    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
    14273 posts
    October 7, 2013 at 9:53 am
    You do know what the newest unfunded mandate is right?


    Exactly which is why I showed debt real numbers not played with numbers changelings love to spout. Repubs are sucking too but the Demheads can`t seem to see they`re part of the problem big time too they just keep following King Obama without thought.
  71. Profile photo of Kain1
    Kain1 Male 18-29
    1473 posts
    October 7, 2013 at 9:56 am
    Guys, it`s no use debating them any more.. i did it for a long time, but apparently nothing gets past that thick skull of theirs.. I`ve given up, it`s purely a waste of time..

    "Debate is the cornerstone of democracy" they say. But that rests on the assumption that all parties are open to examining their own beliefs as well as those of their counterpart. That is clearly no longer true.

    So i say, bring on the collapse of society! There`s nothing short of a political cleansing that can prevent it. And that is something which neither should, nor will ever happen.
  72. Profile photo of spanz
    spanz Male 50-59
    829 posts
    October 7, 2013 at 9:57 am
    what a bunch of lame dicks Obama and his henchmen are
  73. Profile photo of Musuko42
    Musuko42 Male 18-29
    2850 posts
    October 7, 2013 at 9:57 am
    @HolyGod

    I really think he doesn`t know the difference. Sad and scary, isn`t it?
  74. Profile photo of HolyGod
    HolyGod Male 30-39
    6183 posts
    October 7, 2013 at 9:59 am
    dang007

    "The only REAL year they went down significantly was 2012."

    Each to their own. I guess I feel like dropping from bush`s last budget of $1,413 billion to $1,294 billion is "significant", especially while keeping the biggest recession in 100 years from turning into complete financial ruin.

    "By the way you do realize that the DEBT goes up more than the deficit"

    Sure, and interest on the debt.

    You do know the debt is really just a boogie man issue to scare people right? What is going to happen? The country is going to get repoed?

    Our debt is lower than most developed nations as a percentage of GDP. It doesn`t really matter except when you want to rile up people like McGovern.

    Our debt is around $50k per citizen. If you include my student loans, car, and house, I`m $500,000 in debt. So what?
  75. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
    31762 posts
    October 7, 2013 at 10:13 am
    However if somebody was filling the site with biased drivel from liberal blogs and media that was getting down-voted I`d be JUST as irritated.

    @HolyGod: I don`t recall you EVEN ONCE complaining about a far-left posting. Hypocrite.

    What`s with your fascination with numbers Bro? You got OCD real bad? How many times must it be explained to you? A lot obviously.

    You`d BAN ME for posting things YOU DON`T LIKE? Honestly? How very `liberal` of you.



    Honestly! BANNING someone based entirely on their POLITICAL OPINION? How much more liberal can one be?
  76. Profile photo of HolyGod
    HolyGod Male 30-39
    6183 posts
    October 7, 2013 at 10:15 am
    McGovern1981

    "Yes I understand so he`s starting to run it less s hitty tell me how it still isn`t s hitty some more!"

    Can we raise taxes at all? NOOOOOOO!!!!!!!

    Can we cut defense spending? NOOOOOO!!!!!!!

    Where would you like him to balance the budget?

    Let`s cut defense spending in half and still spend WAY more than anyone else.

    Let`s lower everything else 5% across the board.

    Let`s raise tax revenue 10% mostly by closing loop holes and deductions.

    TA-DA! Surplus!

  77. Profile photo of Musuko42
    Musuko42 Male 18-29
    2850 posts
    October 7, 2013 at 10:17 am
    @McGovern1981

    "they just keep following King Obama without thought."

    It`s because you keep saying things like this that we don`t take you seriously.

    It`s because you`re in your thirties and you say things like this that we don`t take you seriously.

    Come on, man, you sound like a 13 year old when you talk like that.
  78. Profile photo of HolyGod
    HolyGod Male 30-39
    6183 posts
    October 7, 2013 at 10:19 am
    5Cats

    "I don`t recall you EVEN ONCE complaining about a far-left posting. Hypocrite."

    I don`t ever complain about one of your far right posts either. I complain about them happening ONCE A DAY. There is no liberal comparison to that. Not one. So HOW CAN I COMPLAIN ABOUT IT?

    "You`d BAN ME for posting things YOU DON`T LIKE? Honestly? How very `liberal` of you."

    Nope. Never said it once. Never once said I want you banned. Never came out of my mouth. But PLEASE invent a position I have never taken and then argue against that. It is your modus aperandi.

  79. Profile photo of Musuko42
    Musuko42 Male 18-29
    2850 posts
    October 7, 2013 at 10:19 am
    @5Cats

    "@HolyGod: I don`t recall you EVEN ONCE complaining about a far-left posting. Hypocrite."

    Find a period where there was a torrent of liberal posts and he wasn`t complaining, and then you`ll be justified in your accusation.

    A ban isn`t being talked about because of your political views. A ban is being talked about because of HOW MUCH you are posting about your political views.

    Can`t you post some non-political stuff for a while? Do you have it in you to change topics for a little bit?
  80. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
    31762 posts
    October 7, 2013 at 10:23 am
    @Mr.Orange & @Squrlz4: If you don`t LIKE political content? Don`t read it! Mind-blowing, I know, but it can be done...

    Oh! But that requires personal responsibility! It`s FAR EASIER to BAN than to actually make an effort yourself. You want to BAN my posts? Start your own website and do so! :-|

    @Bakcagain21: I like hard boiled eggs especially!
    Hey! I`ve lost an argument or two with you, right? And openly admitted it too!

    @Musuk042: I complained when Bush did dumb things too! It was generally lost amid the screaming of the LibTards, but I did!

    And the Repubs are following `the law` as well, correct? What`s your point?

    @auburnjunky: "Sorry bro. I spelled it sok instead of suk." That`s one heck of a fine apology! :-) (lolz!)
  81. Profile photo of Musuko42
    Musuko42 Male 18-29
    2850 posts
    October 7, 2013 at 10:23 am
    @HolyGod

    "Nope. Never said it once. Never once said I want you banned. Never came out of my mouth. But PLEASE invent a position I have never taken and then argue against that. It is your modus aperandi."

    He`s doing what often happens; he`s not arguing against individuals. He`s seeing everyone who`s arguing against him as one great gestalt entity. Someone mentioned a ban, and he`s lumped that into the enemy blob that includes me and you and all the others.

    You didn`t say ban, but someone else did (it was normalfreak2, for the record). But 5Cats sees as all as one unified borg. Not as, you know...people.

    I only wish we were that organised.
  82. Profile photo of Musuko42
    Musuko42 Male 18-29
    2850 posts
    October 7, 2013 at 10:25 am
    @5Cats

    "@Musuk042: I complained when Bush did dumb things too! It was generally lost amid the screaming of the LibTards, but I did!"

    I`m sure you have! And I know there have been times when we`ve actually been on the same "side" in debates on here. It`s shocking when it happens.

    And it`s just a shame you have to ruin it by saying things like "libtards".

    Honestly, you`d get more respect for your opinion without saying things like that. I`d still disagree with you vehemently. But at least I`d be able to respect that your opinion is coming from thought rather than vitriol.
  83. Profile photo of HolyGod
    HolyGod Male 30-39
    6183 posts
    October 7, 2013 at 10:26 am
    5Cats

    You act like it is JUST me.

    pazerlenis
    whodat6484
    MrJB
    MrOrange
    Squrlz4Sale
    tedgp
    normalfreak2

    Have all called out how biased and full of s.hit you are on this post alone. Not the content, you directly. Let me guess? Vast left wing conspiracy?
  84. Profile photo of Musuko42
    Musuko42 Male 18-29
    2850 posts
    October 7, 2013 at 10:32 am
    @5Cats

    "@auburnjunky: "Sorry bro. I spelled it sok instead of suk." That`s one heck of a fine apology! (lolz!)"

    Nothing wrong with being known for "suk"ing. :P
  85. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
    31762 posts
    October 7, 2013 at 10:35 am
    @HolyGod: Shall I list the people who like & support me?
    The only NON-TROLLS on your list are @WhoDat and @Squrlz4. Why should I give a flying drat about troll-opinions?

    * estimates
    You`re serious? You cannot be serious... THERE`S NO BUDGET! How can you "estimate" expenses in 2-3 years?

    Don`t you remember the "political map"? It clearly showed a LOT of IABers on "the left" OK? How you can even TRY to deny this fact is... liberal of you.

    Is your list of deficits fiscal year (Oct to Oct) or calendar year (Jan 20 to Jan 20)? Either way? Obama ADDED 300 Billion to Bush`s last budget, something you repeatedly FAIL to admit.

    YES! Bush spent too much! It was bad!
    Obama spends EVEN MORE! Get it?
  86. Profile photo of Musuko42
    Musuko42 Male 18-29
    2850 posts
    October 7, 2013 at 10:41 am
    @5Cats

    "You`re serious? You cannot be serious... THERE`S NO BUDGET! How can you "estimate" expenses in 2-3 years?"

    Lots of maths.

    How can you think it`s impossible? You do it with your own personal expenses. Scale that up a lot and involve a lot of clever people and there you go. It won`t be spot on accurate, but that`s why it`s an estimate rather than a prediction.
  87. Profile photo of HolyGod
    HolyGod Male 30-39
    6183 posts
    October 7, 2013 at 10:45 am
    5Cats

    "@HolyGod: Shall I list the people who like & support me?"

    There aren`t many of them obviously or your posts would get above a 2 rating.

    You really don`t think it is too much for ONE person to post ONCE A DAY about the SAME SIDE of the SAME ISSUE?

    Do you honestly think that is interesting? I don`t submit a post unless I think it will be interesting and entertaining to the IAB members.

    You seem to post things simply to vent or propagandize or something. You can`t think the members enjoy the same s.hit once a day, especially if you pay attention to the ratings they get.

    Don`t you WANT to post things people like? Isn`t that the point of this site? You`re adding NOTHING because all you are doing is posting stuff I can find on drudge or breitbart. I know where those sites are if I want that content.

    I always thought the point of this site was to showcase things people wouldn`t have otherwise seen.
  88. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
    31762 posts
    October 7, 2013 at 10:46 am
    Nope. Never said it once. Never once said I want you banned.
    Heck no! You just want to forbid my offering suggestions! Euphemism, go look it up...

    Blaming ME for the actions of OTHERS? (@FancyLad and @The_Mods)?? Also VERY liberal of you.

    Your ongoing fixation in CONTROLING MY ACTIONS is repulsive, dude. Find a new hobby.

    @Musuko42: See? I`m not a "one trick pony" at all!
    And I do "lump them all together" since they`re following Alinsky Tactics. I don`t see @HolyGod complaining about the screaming trolls personally attacking me. HECK! He ENCOURAGES it! He does the SAME HIMSELF! Why should I not lump them all together?

    I used to be polite on the internet, a looooong time ago! :-) It got me nowhere, honestly. The slobbering trolls were NEVER happy, and that remains the case to this day.

    Just LOOK at this thread! You cannot "appease" them! Never.
  89. Profile photo of HolyGod
    HolyGod Male 30-39
    6183 posts
    October 7, 2013 at 10:47 am
    5Cats

    "You`re serious? You cannot be serious... THERE`S NO BUDGET! How can you "estimate" expenses in 2-3 years?"

    YOU`RE SERIOUS? It is what the stock market and speculation economy is based on, companies projecting earnings / budgets and people betting whether they will be higher or lower.
  90. Profile photo of OldOllie
    OldOllie Male 60-69
    15844 posts
    October 7, 2013 at 10:52 am
    @HolyGod Every obituary shrinks the republican party.
    Except for the that every year, more and more idealistic young liberals get bitch-slapped by reality and realize that they`ve bought into the Big Lie. Thus we have a new generation of conservatives and libertarians.

    It`s worked that way for the past 50 years, and it`s not going to change.
  91. Profile photo of HolyGod
    HolyGod Male 30-39
    6183 posts
    October 7, 2013 at 10:52 am
    5Cats

    "Heck no! You just want to forbid my offering suggestions!"

    Never said that once either. Not once. Please argue against other things I have never said.

    The closest I said was that there should be a system set up where people`s submissions aren`t accepted if the community doesn`t like the submissions. Isn`t that the way most media / entertainment works? People enjoy stuff or it goes away?

    "Blaming ME for the actions of OTHERS? (@FancyLad and @The_Mods)?? Also VERY liberal of you."

    Did you read my comment on here where I SPECIFICALLY blamed it on the MODS more than you?

    "He submits it, but THEY post it. I`ve said it before, but IAB LOVES 5Cats."

    So not only do you argue against positions I have never taken, you also get mad at me for not taking positions I have specifically taken? AWESOME.
  92. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
    31762 posts
    October 7, 2013 at 10:53 am
    How can you think it`s impossible?
    @Musuko42: He and I have lengthily debated the whole "debt & deficit" situation before. He lost, but remains utterly unrepentant. :-)

    I`ve read that those "cheerful numbers" are based on smoke, mirrors, and a surging economy. That last one ain`t happening.
    It`s literally impossible without HUGE reductions in spending, and Obama`s plan? SPEND MORE!

    Raise taxes? That won`t generate nearly enough to TOUCH the deficit. And historically? It has sometimes lead to REDUCED tax revenue! So the US could hike the tax rate and LOSE money! In theory.

    WHO are they going to tax more? The top 10% ALREADY pay the lion`s share. Tax them higher and they`ll take their money & run. Why wouldn`t they?
  93. Profile photo of HolyGod
    HolyGod Male 30-39
    6183 posts
    October 7, 2013 at 10:58 am
    OldOllie

    "Except for the that every year, more and more idealistic young liberals get bitch-slapped by reality and realize that they`ve bought into the Big Lie. Thus we have a new generation of conservatives and libertarians.

    It`s worked that way for the past 50 years, and it`s not going to change."

    It IS changing because of people who are anti-government, anti-intellect, religious nuts like the tea party infesting the republican party.

    There ARE intelligent / reasonable republicans with good ideas but they get drowned out by fringe crazies like bachman and santorum. THOSE people are the face of the party now.

    I liked McCain and Romney before they sprinted over to the far right to get the nomination. The democrat candidates now are closer to the center than the republican candidates because the republican candidates have to go soooo far right to keep from getting primaried by the extremists. Do you not agree?
  94. Profile photo of Musuko42
    Musuko42 Male 18-29
    2850 posts
    October 7, 2013 at 10:59 am
    @5Cats

    Could we not debate economics like we somehow know better than those who actually run it?

    I don`t know about you, but I struggle to do anything more than add up my bills. And I imagine you`re not going to be a great deal better, if your interest in the economy isn`t professional.

    Is it a general distrust you have of experts that stops you from deferring to the judgement of those better qualified than you? Or is it a "shoot the messenger" thing, where you don`t like what they`re saying so you declare them wrong? Or is it an ego thing where you think that you know better than them, regardless of how much more they likely know about the subject than you do?

    Surely you can see it`s not a shameful thing to say that you don`t know as much about the economy as those who spend their professional lives dealing in it?
  95. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
    31762 posts
    October 7, 2013 at 11:00 am
    ...system set up where people`s submissions aren`t accepted if the community doesn`t like the submissions.

    But that`s <not> banning submissions? You`d just ban submissions from "unpopular" people. I see! Completely different!

    There aren`t many of them obviously or your posts would get above a 2 rating.

    AGAIN: There`s lots MORE liberals here, and they feel NO SHAME in hitting the "1" button without even looking at the subject material.
    I`ve seen it time and time again.

    Don`t you WANT to post things people like?

    AGAIN: I offer ALL KINDS of suggestions! People DO LIKE my postings! Just NOT LIBERALS so tough titties for them!

    Did you read my comment on here where I SPECIFICALLY blamed it on the MODS more than you?
    So your solution is for them to BAN my submissions. Nice! Liberal!
    I say: no!
  96. Profile photo of Musuko42
    Musuko42 Male 18-29
    2850 posts
    October 7, 2013 at 11:04 am
    @5Cats

    "AGAIN: There`s lots MORE liberals here, and they feel NO SHAME in hitting the "1" button without even looking at the subject material."

    If that`s true, then that`s another reason to reduce the number of your posts: you`re not giving the audience what they want.

    We come here to be entertained. To stave off boredom. If you`re supplying the wrong kind of entertainment for the kind of people who come here, then you`re doing it wrong.
  97. Profile photo of Musuko42
    Musuko42 Male 18-29
    2850 posts
    October 7, 2013 at 11:05 am
    @5Cats

    "AGAIN: I offer ALL KINDS of suggestions! People DO LIKE my postings! Just NOT LIBERALS so tough titties for them!"

    You`re saying that most of the people here are liberals.

    You`re saying that liberals don`t like your posts.

    You`re saying that most of the people here don`t like your posts.

    So you shouldn`t be saying that people here like your posts.
  98. Profile photo of HolyGod
    HolyGod Male 30-39
    6183 posts
    October 7, 2013 at 11:05 am
    5Cats

    5Cats partisan bubble reality:

    "Obama`s plan? SPEND MORE"

    Actual reality:

    "Non-security discretionary spending -- subject to the caps laid out in the Budget Control Act -- would be hard hit. Currently $450 billion, it would fall to $410 billion in 2013 and $385 billion by 2015."

    "This year, the administration details 210 places where programs will be cut or eliminated, for savings of $24 billion in 2013 and $520 billion over a decade."

    "The White House notes that when coupled with less spending on overseas wars, the reductions "would bring discretionary spending to its lowest level as a share of the economy since Dwight D. Eisenhower sat in the Oval Office.


    THIS IS WHY WE CAN`T HAVE NICE THINGS!

    We can`t debate the administration`s actual plans, we have to debate your incorrect distortions of reality.
  99. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
    31762 posts
    October 7, 2013 at 11:07 am
    @Musuko42: lolz! Good point! I got my PHD in Economic Theory, it`s around here somewhere... (not really).

    It`s just that some "experts" say one thing, and others say... the opposite! So I DO agree with "the experts"... just not the same ones as the liberals.

    When the messenger (@HolyGod in this case) spouts NONSENSE like that <*estimated> deficit list? It`s time to "lock and load"... verbally of course! I`m a Canadian, not allowed to own guns... >-(

    And a real PHD person, @AntEconomist? He`s agreed with me several times :-) Brightens my day!

  100. Profile photo of McGovern1981
    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
    14273 posts
    October 7, 2013 at 11:08 am

    It`s because you`re in your thirties and you say things like this that we don`t take you seriously.

    Come on, man, you sound like a 13 year old when you talk like that.

    Umm did you miss the part where Obama did the name calling or do you not want to see it.

    You do know the debt is really just a boogie man issue to scare people right? What is going to happen? The country is going to get repoed?

    So following that logic we should pave the street with gold and spend away because there`d be no repercussions? The closing loopholes in the tax system thing though ya that`s a good start.
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    Musuko42 Male 18-29
    2850 posts
    October 7, 2013 at 11:08 am
    @5Cats

    PS, for the record, I personally have never rated any post ever. Not a single one, since 2007.

    So do I get an exemption from your claim that liberals hit 1 without thinking?
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    Musuko42 Male 18-29
    2850 posts
    October 7, 2013 at 11:11 am
    @McGovern1981

    "Umm did you miss the part where Obama did the name calling or do you not want to see it."

    Just because he called people names, doesn`t mean that you get to young man! Two wrongs don`t make a right. Now go to your room!
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    Musuko42 Male 18-29
    2850 posts
    October 7, 2013 at 11:13 am
    @McGovern1981

    (To clarify, you were saying things like "King Obama". That was all you, not your Obama impression speaking).
  104. Profile photo of HolyGod
    HolyGod Male 30-39
    6183 posts
    October 7, 2013 at 11:14 am
    5Cats

    "You`d just ban submissions from "unpopular" people. I see! Completely different!"

    DIPS.HIT it isn`t a conspiracy. People don`t automatically vote YOU down. They vote your CONTENT down.

    "White Lion Cub Born At Serbian Zoo" posted by you has a 3.6. Now if there was a left wing conspiracy to down vote everything you post because we hate you so much....

    "they feel NO SHAME in hitting the "1" button without even looking at the subject material.
    I`ve seen it time and time again."

    HOW THE F.UCK COULD YOU POSSIBLY PRETEND YOU KNOW THAT? HOW? How does that even come out of you? You KNOW whether or not people are reading your content before they vote? HOW?
  105. Profile photo of dang007
    dang007 Male 30-39
    596 posts
    October 7, 2013 at 11:14 am
    >>>>You do know the debt is really just a boogie man issue to scare people right? What is going to happen? The country is going to get repoed?

    Our debt is lower than most developed nations as a percentage of GDP. It doesn`t really matter except when you want to rile up people like McGovern. <<<<

    By your logic then who the heck cares if we pay it off. Or conversely why in the world would we need to tax, just borrow.

    You really seem to have lost it. Current national debt is ~16 Trillion. The GDP of the US in 2012 was roughly 2012. Go right ahead and make the argument that debt does not matter. By the way the debt to GDP for the US is ~101% the UK ~90, France ~90, Germany ~81.
  106. Profile photo of Musuko42
    Musuko42 Male 18-29
    2850 posts
    October 7, 2013 at 11:15 am
    @HolyGod

    I think it`s a defence mechanism. Self-delusion. If they didn`t like it, it`s because they didn`t read it/didn`t understand it/have a vendetta against him/it`s a conspiracy.

    Anything to avoid facing the thought that his content wasn`t enjoyed for its own merits, or lack of.
  107. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
    31762 posts
    October 7, 2013 at 11:15 am
    So you shouldn`t be saying that <MOST> people here like your posts.
    @Musuko42: You`ve left out a critical word, by mistake? MOST people? I`ve NEVER claimed that! Some DO LIKE the political stuff, that`s a fact! Just not MOST of the IABers. The IAB Liberal Brigade can go post their own far-left suggestions, no skin off my teeth. No "rule" that says I PERSONALLY have to "balance" my offerings! Eh?

    Just like cat videos, or pictures of @FancyLad`s breakfast: some like them, others do not.

    You cannot please everyone!

    And "my audience" = ME! Why should I care if trolls like @normalfreak2 dislike my suggestions? He hates! It`s what he does!

    @HolyGod: Is that based on the "double counting" of so-called "600 Billion in Medicare savings" which were thoroughly falsified two years ago? You know, since the last ACTUAL BUDGET was passed? Smoke & mirrors.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
    14273 posts
    October 7, 2013 at 11:19 am
    Just because he called people names, doesn`t mean that you get to young man! Two wrongs don`t make a right. Now go to your room!

    Will you be spanking Obama later?

    @HolyGod

    Oh hey along with the tax thing how about we cut all foreign "aid" money to the countries that want to kill us all! Once they see a hit from it mabey they`ll start kissing our asses for once!
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    dang007 Male 30-39
    596 posts
    October 7, 2013 at 11:19 am
    >>>Current national debt is ~16 Trillion. The GDP of the US in 2012 was roughly 2012.<<<

    AWWW Heck. I seem to have lost he ability to type.

    GDP in 2012 was roughly $15.5 Trillion.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
    14273 posts
    October 7, 2013 at 11:21 am
    Now back to the original subject. You don`t think Obama could have these things opened and one of these parties or hell even both refuse their pay because they`re not doing their friggen job??? Don`t you think you know that`d be taking the high road?
  111. Profile photo of Musuko42
    Musuko42 Male 18-29
    2850 posts
    October 7, 2013 at 11:22 am
    @5Cats

    Sorry, genuine mistake of mine: the "most" was a mistake. Mea culpa.

    And sure, people do enjoy the political posts. I clearly wouldn`t keep debating on them if I didn`t want to.

    But if more people are annoyed than the number of people who are enjoying them, then you`ve really got to recognise that. You shouldn`t ignore it.
  112. Profile photo of Musuko42
    Musuko42 Male 18-29
    2850 posts
    October 7, 2013 at 11:23 am
    @McGovern1981

    "Will you be spanking Obama later?"

    Nah, he`s not my type.
  113. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
    31762 posts
    October 7, 2013 at 11:27 am
    HOW THE F.UCK COULD YOU POSSIBLY PRETEND YOU KNOW THAT? HOW?
    @HolyGod: (and @Musuko42, and anyone else who cares) It would take a LOT longer than 1,000 chars to explain. E-mail me if you honestly want to know. Also the whole "a certain Mod would delete ALL my suggestions" story which happened before you joined...

    Just make up a brand-new Hotmail account! It`s not like I`ll stalk you or something, ask @Squrlz4.

    For me? It`s a fact. I don`t HAVE TO prove it to anyone. Ok?

    So do I get an exemption from your claim that liberals hit 1 without thinking?

    @Musuko42: NO! You must rate my posts 4.0!!! :grr:
    LOLZ! Sure, you know it doesn`t apply to you? That`s OK! That doesn`t mean others don`t do it, eh?

    It`s not a defense mechanism if it`s really true...
  114. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
    31762 posts
    October 7, 2013 at 11:35 am
    I note that @HolyGod has side-stepped the whole "ban suggestions" question...

    I honestly do not see the difference between "banning 5Cats because he`s unpopular" and "banning unpopular people, like 5Cats" eh? By "banning" I mean not allowed to make submissions.

    There ALREADY is a system at IAB! Funny how the IAB Liberal Brigade DEFENDS Obama`s use of the system but ATTACKS me for doing the same!
    Funny!
    By that I mean: hypocritical.

    @Musuko42: No worries! Typos happen.

    But IAB is not a popularity contest! It`s not "majority rules" eh? The trolls will troll no matter WHAT content is put up.

    Some folks like to read about "timely topics" like the "Shutdown" or wars or the Olympics or OWS or famous people & etc. Others? Not so much.

    @McGovern: Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi have potty-mouths too! Calling people "terrorists" for going to a public park
  115. Profile photo of HolyGod
    HolyGod Male 30-39
    6183 posts
    October 7, 2013 at 11:39 am
    dang007

    "You really seem to have lost it. Current national debt is ~16 Trillion. The GDP of the US in 2012 was roughly 2012. Go right ahead and make the argument that debt does not matter. By the way the debt to GDP for the US is ~101% the UK ~90, France ~90, Germany ~81."

    Well then the debt clock mcgovern posted is WAY off.

    It has External debt percentage of GDP for
    USA: 99%
    UK: 472%
    Germany: 206%
    France: 260%
    Spain: 237%

  116. Profile photo of HolyGod
    HolyGod Male 30-39
    6183 posts
    October 7, 2013 at 11:47 am
    5Cats

    ""But IAB is not a popularity contest! It`s not "majority rules" eh?"

    It should be. Contnet on here should be content the group enjoys, just as content on TV is content people enjoy by way of how many people watch it. If it isn`t enjoyed it gets cancelled.

    If I posted a my little pony cartoon on here every day and every day it got voted to 1.5 or 1.6 in your mind that is OK because "some" people like it?

    I want people to post things they think people will enjoy. You don`t do that. You post things YOU like and you don`t give a s.hit if everyone else does. You even admit you don`t care. That is PARTICULARLY obvious when you post weird anime stuff when you know full well people on here aren`t into that.

    It is like a DJ at a rock station playing country music and saying "some people like country, this station is full of rock listeners, who cares whether they like country or not".
  117. Profile photo of HolyGod
    HolyGod Male 30-39
    6183 posts
    October 7, 2013 at 11:48 am
    5Cats

    "I note that @HolyGod has side-stepped the whole "ban suggestions" question...

    I honestly do not see the difference between "banning 5Cats because he`s unpopular" and "banning unpopular people, like 5Cats" eh? By "banning" I mean not allowed to make submissions."

    How the holy f.uck did I side step it? I have never once suggested you be banned. I have never once suggested you be banned from submitting. What I suggested is some sort of system that limits the amount people can submit if their submissions aren`t enjoyed.
  118. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
    31762 posts
    October 7, 2013 at 12:06 pm
    If I posted a my little pony cartoon on here every day...

    And HOW would you do that? By paying for the posts? YOU cannot post anything on IAB @HolyGod! And neither can I!

    You can SUGGEST My Little Pony until you`re blue in the face like a Smurf! Feel free!

    "Limiting Submissions" = euphemism for banning, NEXT!

    What practical purpose would "limiting submissions" serve? Can you answer that?

    If ONLY the popular majority were allowed to submit suggestions? HOW would that make IAB better?

    IN MY OPINION it would kill IAB dead. It`s the VARIETY of posts that`s the BEST PART of IAB! Seeing stuff we wouldn`t normally come across is INTERESTING. At least I think so.
    Don`t you?

  119. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
    31762 posts
    October 7, 2013 at 12:09 pm
    And don`t forget: Some people (not necessarily you) LIKE to be p*ssed off! :-)

    Like Ren Hoek: They LOVE being angry!

  120. Profile photo of HolyGod
    HolyGod Male 30-39
    6183 posts
    October 7, 2013 at 12:17 pm
    5Cats

    "And HOW would you do that? By paying for the posts? YOU cannot post anything on IAB @HolyGod! And neither can I!"

    You know exactly what I mean. If I was submitting them and the mods were approving them.

    "What practical purpose would "limiting submissions" serve? Can you answer that?"

    It would keep people from submitting too much content the patrons of the site don`t enjoy as a whole. Notice I said "too much". That is an important distinction. I only suggested an average of 2.5 or higher. That means you could submit a few things here and there that were low rated as long as you submitted a majority of posts that were rated above 2.5.

  121. Profile photo of HolyGod
    HolyGod Male 30-39
    6183 posts
    October 7, 2013 at 12:22 pm
    5Cats

    "It`s the VARIETY of posts that`s the BEST PART of IAB! Seeing stuff we wouldn`t normally come across is INTERESTING. At least I think so.
    Don`t you?"

    YES. YES I DO. So do you really feel that:

    Who Closed Yellowstone & Iwo Jima Memorial?
    Day 4 Of The Shutdown = Rioting & Looting!
    ObamaCare Sign-Up Site Offline
    Storming The Barricades In Washington DC
    PANIC! TEH HORROR! The Shutdown Is Ridiculous
    MSNBC News Reporter Trys To Sign Up
    14 FACTS About US Government Shutdowns!

    Over the span of 4 days is "VARIETY"? Honestly? Come on.

  122. Profile photo of HolyGod
    HolyGod Male 30-39
    6183 posts
    October 7, 2013 at 12:23 pm
    5Cats

    I liked this site when everything on here was something I wouldn`t have been able to find myself. If I want left-wing or right-wing political propaganda I know where to look. It is EVERYWHERE. Why does it have to be here too?

    Honestly I don`t really like it when headline news gets posted here either unless it is for the discussion. If something is on the front page of a site like msn.com it doesn`t need to be here too in my opinion.
  123. Profile photo of HolyGod
    HolyGod Male 30-39
    6183 posts
    October 7, 2013 at 12:25 pm
    5Cats

    "And don`t forget: Some people (not necessarily you) LIKE to be p*ssed off!"

    I enjoy it sometimes. When my girlfriend wants "violent" sexy time I watch Hannity for 10 minutes beforehand, no joke.
  124. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
    31762 posts
    October 7, 2013 at 12:27 pm
    House Passes Bill 407 - 0 To give backpay furloughed workers...

    Of course it now joins the OTHER 6 funding bills STUCK in the Senate by Democrats...

    @HolyGod: Again: How would "limiting the number of SUGGESTIONS" make IAB better? @The_Mods can delete the craptacular ones already! They DO So on a regular basis!

    Haven`t you seen those "advertising" suggestions in the Submissions?? Put there by bots or something...

    There`s no Earthly purpose in forbidding the SUGGESTION of content. It is, however, a form of censorship.

    If @The_Mods stopped posting my stuff? I`d still suggest it, but you`d have to find it in the Live Subs, not on the Font Page.

    If @FancyLad (himself) asked me to stop suggesting politics? I would. It`s his si
  125. Profile photo of HolyGod
    HolyGod Male 30-39
    6183 posts
    October 7, 2013 at 12:33 pm
    5Cats

    I`d like a direct answer to my direct question:

    Do you really feel that:

    Who Closed Yellowstone & Iwo Jima Memorial?
    Day 4 Of The Shutdown = Rioting & Looting!
    ObamaCare Sign-Up Site Offline
    Storming The Barricades In Washington DC
    PANIC! TEH HORROR! The Shutdown Is Ridiculous
    MSNBC News Reporter Trys To Sign Up
    14 FACTS About US Government Shutdowns!

    Over the span of 4 days is "VARIETY"?
  126. Profile photo of HolyGod
    HolyGod Male 30-39
    6183 posts
    October 7, 2013 at 12:34 pm
    5Cats

    "There`s no Earthly purpose in forbidding the SUGGESTION of content. It is, however, a form of censorship."

    Fair enough. Then make the system that the mods don`t post stuff from a user if their average rating the previous week was below 2.5. Then the post would still be in live submissions.

    Or how bout this?

    Every item submitted goes to the live submissions at a 0 rating. If it gets voted up to 2.5 or higher it hits the front page, if it dips blow 2 it goes back to live submissions. Let the USERS decide what content makes up the front page of the site.

    "If @FancyLad (himself) asked me to stop suggesting politics? I would."

    I`ve already addressed this. He doesn`t like your political stuff, none of the mods do. However they know it drives up page views because of the debates that follow. I get that. It is business.
  127. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
    31762 posts
    October 7, 2013 at 12:38 pm
    I know you cannot see my suggestions in the Live Subs (The Mods can though!) but since 9/20:

    Science Alert: Booze (funny?)
    Sasquatch Sightings (very interesting!)
    New Report (AGW)
    Pittsburgh Penis Panic!
    7 Year Old Suspended For Pen
    Swiss Climate (AGW)
    Cockney Star Trek (very funny!)
    Cougar Meows (cute!)
    The "Ratte" Tank (history!)
    And the White Lion was also in there :-)

    It`s not my fault! So quit blaming me! And I`ve NOT suggested TONS of things because I know they`d just cause a fuss... it`s true!





  128. Profile photo of auburnjunky
    auburnjunky Male 30-39
    10339 posts
    October 7, 2013 at 12:43 pm
    I think the mods single out 5Cats and only post his political stuff.

    They is trolling him.
  129. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
    31762 posts
    October 7, 2013 at 12:47 pm
    Deleting low scores from IAB? Again, how would that help? It`s still censorship.

    A group of "Right Wingers" could keep all leftist stuff off the site, you`d be fine with that?
    Or @PMarren could keep all the cat related posts off the site... somehow... he`d find a way!

    HOW would that make IAB better? Honest question, and I`m glad you`ve given good answers already, eh? I just don`t "see it" though.

    The current system already covers it, I think. If it sux? It doesn`t go up! But remember: One person`s "sux" is another person`s "cool"...

    Vote for suggested items? THAT`S a good idea! To put a "thumbs up" beside items you`d like to see go up: I`d like that. No need for a negative vote, for me that would be optional, or by inference...

    @auburnjunky: LOLZ! Even I`m not that paranoid... ;-) but it might be true... :-/
  130. Profile photo of RoboPatton
    RoboPatton Male 30-39
    2424 posts
    October 7, 2013 at 1:08 pm
    For daring to question this catastrophic law, the people are being punished, yet Obummers popularity falls...

    Keep up the fight!
  131. Profile photo of HolyGod
    HolyGod Male 30-39
    6183 posts
    October 7, 2013 at 3:14 pm
    OldOllie

    "Except for the that every year, more and more idealistic young liberals get bitch-slapped by reality and realize that they`ve bought into the Big Lie. Thus we have a new generation of conservatives and libertarians.

    It`s worked that way for the past 50 years, and it`s not going to change."

    It IS changing because of people who are anti-government, anti-intellect, religious nuts like the tea party infesting the republican party.

    There ARE intelligent / reasonable republicans with good ideas but they get drowned out by fringe crazies like bachman and santorum. THOSE people are the face of the party now.

    I liked McCain and Romney before they sprinted over to the far right to get the nomination. The democrat candidates now are closer to the center than the republican candidates because the republican candidates have to go soooo far right to keep from getting primaried by the extremists. Do you not agree?
  132. Profile photo of pazerlenis
    pazerlenis Male 40-49
    1380 posts
    October 7, 2013 at 3:34 pm
    @5cats "A group of `Right Wingers` could keep all leftist stuff off the site, you`d be fine with that?"

    I`d be happy with it if it were done fairly (don`t let more than 10% of posts be political or current events that could be perceived as controversial and don`t let one side have an advantage).

    5cats, the fact of the matter is you are ruining this site with the flood of partisan BS. You can come off as friendly and likable on posts that are not political. It`s not until you chime in with your political views that you start to look like you`re wearing a tinfoil hat. Consider me a troll if you`d like but I generally enjoy your non-political stuff. However, if all you want to do is have big dick fights with your political enemies at the expense of everyone else, then you are the real blind idiot here...
  133. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17515 posts
    October 7, 2013 at 3:44 pm
    pazerlenis: "5cats, the fact of the matter is you are ruining this site with the flood of partisan BS."

    As if you aren`t partisan and full of liberal rhetoric yourself.

    "Consider me a troll if you`d like.."

    Everybody knows that.

    "..you are the real blind idiot here."

    Says the guy that laps up Obama`s crap like a dog to vomit.
  134. Profile photo of Kain1
    Kain1 Male 18-29
    1473 posts
    October 7, 2013 at 4:05 pm
    Seriously guys.. just give it up.. there is no way to get anyone to see reason anymore..

    I, for one, welcome our thick skulled overlords..
  135. Profile photo of djwajda
    djwajda Male 40-49
    885 posts
    October 7, 2013 at 4:48 pm
    I`m curious how @5Cats is ruining this site when the fact of the matter is you all can simply ignore the post. So many say `I see 5Cats name and pass it by`, but do you really?

    If you don`t like them then don`t read them. Don`t respond to them if you feel you already know what response you`re going to get. It`s like saying the oven is hot yet you keep touching it over and over and wonder why you burn your finger.
  136. Profile photo of pazerlenis
    pazerlenis Male 40-49
    1380 posts
    October 7, 2013 at 5:43 pm
    @CrakrJak, "Says the guy that laps up Obama`s crap like a dog to vomit."

    You have never seen me say anything pro or con about Obama. In fact, this comment from you is a big tell. You are just projecting your anger towards Liberals on me and attaching every stereotype you can to that projection. You have no idea how I feel about Obama.

    You have just proven to me that you are not interested in the truth at all. You just want to fight the liberals here. You are part of the problem I`ve been talking about.

    This is not really about Obama, or the Gov`t shutdown, or gun control. This is about your ego and "winning". Personally, I`d feel sad and pathetic if I behaved the way you do online.
  137. Profile photo of Squrlz4Sale
    Squrlz4Sale Male 40-49
    6230 posts
    October 7, 2013 at 6:10 pm


  138. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
    31762 posts
    October 7, 2013 at 6:37 pm
    @djwajda: Thank you for being reasonable! It`s not like I can post them myself, it takes a @Mod after all.

    And it`s not like I`m forcing ANYONE to read or view them!

    Where do liberals GET these weird ideas? That simply BANNING things they don`t like will make life perfect? Where?

    Why Thank You @Squrlz4! How very kind!
    Yes, the IAB Liberal Brigade DOES treat us as "punching bags" don`t they. Highly astute of you to make that picture! :-)
  139. Profile photo of Squrlz4Sale
    Squrlz4Sale Male 40-49
    6230 posts
    October 7, 2013 at 8:12 pm
    @ Djwajda: You make a really good point.

    You suggest that I and others just ignore the right-wing vitriol from 5Cats. I`ve been trying to. But by not responding to the propaganda and by continuing to participate on the site, I feel complicit in this crap. Quite honestly, I don`t want to be associated with a website that promotes right-wing, divisive, poisonous content on a daily basis.

    KEY POINT: Frankly, I just want to come onto an entertainment website to have fun--not to wage battles against one person`s obsessions and hatreds, day in and day out.

    Not to sound grand, but this is why I`m on the verge of leaving IAB. (And yes, I`m well aware that this revelation will provoke several snarky "See ya!" responses.)
  140. Profile photo of djwajda
    djwajda Male 40-49
    885 posts
    October 7, 2013 at 9:18 pm
    poisonous content on a daily basis

    There are surges in all aspects of what you`re talking about here at I-A-B. Anti-american, anti-cop, anti-this and anti-that. I`ve learned over time that alot of the people posting these things are doing so for the very same reactions you have with @5Cats postings.

    I get that it`s hard sometimes because I`ve been there with alot of what I mentioned above but then I just consider the source, laugh and move on.

    I`ve actually been coming to I-A-B since 2006. Didn`t register til last year so I`ve seen alot of stuff come and go.

    You and I disagree politically from time to time but I`m definitely not going to get snarky and say `see ya` because it would be silly.
  141. Profile photo of Squrlz4Sale
    Squrlz4Sale Male 40-49
    6230 posts
    October 7, 2013 at 9:39 pm
    @ Djwajda: Well, thanks. I appreciate your perspective and gentlemanly tone.
  142. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
    31762 posts
    October 7, 2013 at 10:16 pm
    right-wing vitriol
    OOO!
    I`m SO SORRY that the facts are "right wing" in your mind @Squrlz4! HEAVEN FORBID that facts should be NEUTRAL! Heck no! If they disagree with Obama? THEY`RE PART of the VAST RIGHT WING CONSPIRACY!

    ffs...

    I just want to come onto an entertainment website...

    Yet YOU yourself post countless POLITICAL links? Can you explain that? You don`t think AGW is political? HA!

    So? How do you explain that?
  143. Profile photo of OldOllie
    OldOllie Male 60-69
    15844 posts
    October 7, 2013 at 10:53 pm
    @HG Do you not agree?
    No.
  144. Profile photo of Squrlz4Sale
    Squrlz4Sale Male 40-49
    6230 posts
    October 8, 2013 at 12:13 am
    @ 5Cats:

    Yet YOU yourself post countless POLITICAL links? Can you explain that? You don`t think AGW is political? HA!... So? How do you explain that?
    On almost every occasion when I`ve submitted a political link, even a link regarding global warming (which most people would call science; only partisan chuckleheads consider satellite temperature measurements "political"), it`s been in response to some vitriolic right-wing garbage you`ve posted.

    That was one of the main points of my post; as usual, it went right over your head.
  145. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
    31762 posts
    October 8, 2013 at 1:50 am
    ...not to wage battles against one person`s obsessions and hatreds...

    So... that`s over my head too?

    You DON`T WANT this... but repeatedly suggest it?

    And b*tch and complain when OTHERS do it...

    But do it yourself without apology?

    Please be specific in agreeing that I am correct in this? k-thx.
  146. Profile photo of CreamK
    CreamK Male 40-49
    1423 posts
    October 8, 2013 at 1:56 am
    The right wing IAB posts some unbelievable crap from time to time. About a hair away from 6k creationist BS. So excuse me if i don`t take your posts seriously anymore.
  147. Profile photo of CreamK
    CreamK Male 40-49
    1423 posts
    October 8, 2013 at 2:05 am
    *IAB:ers meant to say, not IAB as a whole..
  148. Profile photo of MrOrange
    MrOrange Male 30-39
    2398 posts
    October 8, 2013 at 2:11 am
    The only NON-TROLLS on your list are @WhoDat and @Squrlz4. Why should I give a flying drat about troll-opinions

    said the trolliest trol to ever trol. and to point out to you, look at the ratings your post are getting. it`s not just me and a few other who think your posts suck. and really i don`t even care if it`s left or right cuz i`m a swinger. i have left and right viewpoints. what anoys the f.u.c.k out of me and it appears others as well. is the total non point being made by you or your posts, not a single shred of usefull information that wether or not i am against will make me stop and think. just plain old propaganda and full on poo flining if people point that out.

    to try and explain the differnce, are the gerry male posts my cup of tea? nope, do i think he should submit them, f*ck yeah, it`s democrazy.

    are the right wing post my cup of tea. nope.
    do i think they should be posted. yeap. in the name of democrazy and a balanced view.

    i`m s
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    Musuko42 Male 18-29
    2850 posts
    October 8, 2013 at 3:13 am
    @pazerlenis

    Bravo! I couldn`t have said it better myself.

    CrakrJak, PLEASE learn from what he`s said. If anything, it`ll help you get your views across more convincingly, which is surely what you want.
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    Musuko42 Male 18-29
    2850 posts
    October 8, 2013 at 3:20 am
    @djwajda

    "I`m curious how @5Cats is ruining this site when the fact of the matter is you all can simply ignore the post."

    This website`s purpose is for people to be interested in the posts and click on them, and to be a little less bored after it.

    If a lot of posts are causing people to ignore them instead, then they ARE ruining the purpose of this site.

    "It`s like saying the oven is hot yet you keep touching it over and over and wonder why you burn your finger."

    No, it`s like saying that we have a special oven whose only purpose is for us to touch it with our fingers...and 5Cats keeps turning the temperature up to scalding. Sure, we can just choose not to touch the oven and go elsewhere. The result is that the oven`s purpose is ruined.

    If IAB keeps filling with posts that few people enjoy, it`s going to empty out as people go elsewhere to find posts they DO enjoy.
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    Musuko42 Male 18-29
    2850 posts
    October 8, 2013 at 3:21 am
    @djwajda

    And while I personally do enjoy the regular political debates, not everyone does. And I only need one "active" (usually meaning still on the first page) post to debate in at any time. Not three or four or more as seems to be happening now.

    Sometimes I want to look at ducks falling over and Russians crashing cars. Nobody wants just one type of post here.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17515 posts
    October 8, 2013 at 5:53 am
    S4S: Taking Obama`s bait and desperately clinging onto "Hope" on IAB since 2011.

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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17515 posts
    October 8, 2013 at 6:53 am
    pazerlenis: "You have never seen me say anything pro or con about Obama."

    It`s obvious your a fan of his or you wouldn`t be attacking every conservative on IAB.

    "You have just proven to me that you are not interested in the truth at all."

    Really? I provide links to my claims, unlike most liberals here that just spout crap they read on Huffpo, Daily Kos and MoJo.

    "This is about your ego and "winning"."

    And just what am I "winning"? I have no stake in this financially. Hell, I`m likely one of the poorest people here on IAB.

    Ego? I don`t have one. It`s obvious you have no idea who I am and "are just projecting your anger towards" conservatives like myself.

    "Personally, I`d feel sad and pathetic..." You should after that misfire you just shot at me.

    You assume to know me so well, but it`s the words that you typed, have more insight about yourself.
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    Musuko42 Male 18-29
    2850 posts
    October 8, 2013 at 7:09 am
    @CrakrJak

    "It`s obvious your a fan of his or you wouldn`t be attacking every conservative on IAB."

    Being anti-conservative doesn`t automatically make you pro-Obama. There are other stances he could hold. He could be against both, for example.

    "And just what am I "winning"? I have no stake in this financially."

    You can win things that aren`t money. Ego boosts, for example. Emotional satisfaction. An illusion of meaning in your dark and dreary life.

    "You assume to know me so well, but it`s the words that you typed, have more insight about yourself."

    You`re in your 40s (stated by you), disabled (stated by you), unemployed (my assumption based on you being disabled and on here all the time), and single (my assumption based on your embarrassed silence whenever I ask you who you love).

    I`m happy to be corrected on my two assumptions.
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    pazerlenis Male 40-49
    1380 posts
    October 8, 2013 at 7:23 am
    @CrakrJak, "It`s obvious your a fan of his or you wouldn`t be attacking every conservative on IAB."

    If you don`t actually read any of my comments and just assume that I love Obama because I have been criticizing 5cats, sure. I can see where you might jump to that conclusion.

    But you are the one who claims to posts links to your claims. Well you just claimed I love Obama so where is your link proving it? Where do I defend him or even say anything positive about him at all? Nothing? Yeah, that just proves how much you lie. You have no interest in the truth. You want to push forward your extremist agenda.

    I don`t fit in your Liberal box. My beef with you (and every other Liberal & Conservative nutter on this site) is your extremist views. Your unwillingness to look at the other point of view and find the truth. If you think Liberals are all evil and conservatives are all good, you are delusional. Liberals who do the same are just as guilty.
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    pazerlenis Male 40-49
    1380 posts
    October 8, 2013 at 7:27 am
    Oh, and CrakrJak. I really liked your line, "You assume to know me so well, but it`s the words that you typed, have more insight about yourself."

    You are 100% correct. We often reveal more about ourselves in these types of discussions than we reveal about others. This is a very insightful observation.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17515 posts
    October 8, 2013 at 10:03 am
    Musuko: "You can win things that aren`t money. Ego boosts, for example. Emotional satisfaction. An illusion of meaning in your dark and dreary life."

    Would an egotist admit they are poor? No. Do I get "Emotional satisfaction"? No. At the end of the day we are all living under this president`s tyranny, no satisfaction to be had there.

    "An illusion of meaning.." No, no illusions. I`m quite well aware of my station in life, even as poor as it is, and don`t bother with them.

    If anything, I get some camaraderie with other conservative here on IAB. But that`s about it.

    I`m here to tell the truth, as I see it, not for my satisfaction, but for others. Perhaps with the hope that one day this wisdom will sink through the thick skulls and into the mushy gray matter inside.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
    6183 posts
    October 8, 2013 at 10:14 am
    Crakr

    "I`m quite well aware of my station in life, even as poor as it is"

    Do you think that if it weren`t for your belief in an afterlife you may be less willing to accept your "poor station in life" and more motivated to try to fix it?

    We live in a country where any individual can do anything they want. Don`t you think that your station and life could be greatly improved if you spent your time learning or developing something instead of making thousands and thousands of comments on this site?
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17515 posts
    October 8, 2013 at 10:20 am
    pazerlenis: You`ve stated your liberal viewpoint on gun control more than once. Parroted liberal talking points about conservatives being "extremists". Bemoan "partisan" politics then demonstrated your own partisanship in criticisms. You don`t believe "liberal bias in the media" exists. You believe in AGW. And complain about the "pettiness" of conservatives on IAB, then make petty complaints about their posts.

    You may claim you`re non-partisan, but it`s obvious what side you`re rooting for.
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    Musuko42 Male 18-29
    2850 posts
    October 8, 2013 at 10:21 am
    @CrakrJak

    "I`m here to tell the truth, as I see it, not for my satisfaction, but for others. Perhaps with the hope that one day this wisdom will sink through the thick skulls and into the mushy gray matter inside."

    Egotism then.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17515 posts
    October 8, 2013 at 10:35 am
    HG: Don`t you have better things to do than troll me? Take your atheist bullcrap and bother someone else with it.

    "We live in a country where any individual can do anything they want."

    Not true at all, in fact liberals are revoking our God given rights one-by-one, chipping away at them from every angle. Using tragedies and crises to justify invoking new restrictions.

    I know this, my station in life isn`t being improved by your atheist trolling and misjudgement.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17515 posts
    October 8, 2013 at 10:37 am
    Musuko: Not egotism, How is hopefulness egotism? Are you that thick to not know the difference? I guess so.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
    6183 posts
    October 8, 2013 at 10:43 am
    Crakr

    "Don`t you have better things to do than troll me? Take your atheist bullcrap and bother someone else with it."

    I`m not trolling you. I`m asking you a serious question. You self admittedly have a miserable life and you seem perfectly OK with it. Do you think that would be the case if you weren`t convinced that in a little while you will die, this "test" will be over, and you`ll get to live in eternal bliss in heaven?

    "liberals are revoking our God given rights one-by-one"

    Please list 5 "God given rights" you had 10 years ago but don`t now because of liberals.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
    6183 posts
    October 8, 2013 at 10:46 am
    Crakr

    "Musuko: Not egotism, How is hopefulness egotism? Are you that thick to not know the difference? I guess so."

    Perhaps he means the egotism that an uneducated, unemployed, unsuccessful person thinks they could depart their "wisdom" on all us "thick skulls"?
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    31762 posts
    October 8, 2013 at 10:58 am
    not a single shred of usefull information that, wether or not i am against, will make me stop and think.
    @Mr.Orange: So the fact that the White House Itself ordered public parks closed doesn`t "tweak your curiosity" just a little? Too bad for you.

    Not three or four or more as seems to be happening now.

    @Musuko42: There are indeed 5 "political posts" on the front page. ONE (1) of them is mine.
    Page 2 has: 5 political posts, TWO (2) are mine...

    So 3 out of 10 = 5CATS IS DOING IT!!!?!

    Ummm? Nope.

    (don`t) just assume that I love Obama because I have been criticizing 5cats...

    @panzerlenis: It`s not an assumption! It`s logic!
    5Cats - criticizes Obama
    @pl - criticizes 5Cats for doing so
    Therefor: @pl is DEFENDING Obama. Simple.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    31762 posts
    October 8, 2013 at 11:09 am
    In this case? This posting?

    I thought it was VERY interesting that actual veterans of the Iwo Jima invasion had to RE-INVADE to liberate their own National Monument!

    And there is going to be a big rally at the WW2 Monument this coming Sunday (iirc). What will Obama do? THAT is an interesting question, yes?

    I`m glad these were put together, rather than having 3 separate posts... :-)
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    Musuko42 Male 18-29
    2850 posts
    October 8, 2013 at 11:14 am
    @HolyGod

    "Perhaps he means the egotism that an uneducated, unemployed, unsuccessful person thinks they could depart their "wisdom" on all us "thick skulls"?"

    Pretty much. Messiah complex.
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    pazerlenis Male 40-49
    1380 posts
    October 8, 2013 at 11:22 am
    @CrakrJak
    Again you are trying to fit me nicely into your liberal bucket so you can disregard everything I have said. Is it so uncomfortable for you to have a discussion with someone and actually listen to what they are saying and examine it objectively? I understand not listening to the obviously biased info that gets posted sometimes, but you do that yourself all the time. You pick and choose your arguments to stroke your Ego and have no qualms using biased info in your argument. But then, if you don`t, how will the lesser people ever have your, "wisdom sink through the thick skulls and into the mushy gray matter inside"?

    I suppose the biggest difference between us is I consider my beliefs and opinions to be one of many worldviews that could be right. You consider your worldview to be the ONLY one that is right and you will do anything you can (ethical or not) to "prove" your point.

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    pazerlenis Male 40-49
    1380 posts
    October 8, 2013 at 11:26 am
    One more thing CrakrJak...

    I have said this many times and you just don`t seem capable of hearing it. I HAVE NO ISSUE WITH YOUR BELIEFS, I HAVE AN ISSUE WITH HOW YOU EXPRESS THOSE BELIEFS HERE. I ALSO HAVE THIS EXACT SAME ISSUE WITH EVERY LIBERAL ON THIS SITE WHO IS MORE INTERESTED IN PICKING A FIGHT THAN LEARNING SOMETHING. MY ISSUE IS WITH POLITICAL EXTREMISTS, NOT CONSERVATIVES.

    Does the all caps help it sink in any better?
  170. Profile photo of pazerlenis
    pazerlenis Male 40-49
    1380 posts
    October 8, 2013 at 11:40 am
    @5cats, "It`s not an assumption! It`s logic!"

    Awesome, I can use your kind of logic too!

    @5Cats - criticizes Obama
    Obama hates Hitler
    Therefor: @5cats is DEFENDING Hitler. Simple.

    I can jump to conclusions too! See?

    This is a perfect example of HOW facts can be manipulated into a lie. You do this all the time and THAT is what I`m complaining about, not your actual views on Obama.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    31762 posts
    October 8, 2013 at 4:20 pm
    @panzerlenis: No, not even close. Unless I was SPECIFICALLY criticizing Obama`s opinions on Hitler? You `logic fail` = epic!

    Obama loves puppies and kittens! ANYONE who criticizes him must HATE PUPPIES AND KITTENS!!!

    Nope, not logical at all. Trolling? Yeah, it`s that.
  172. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17515 posts
    October 8, 2013 at 4:53 pm
    pazerlenis: "Is it so uncomfortable for you to have a discussion with someone and actually listen to what they are saying and examine it objectively?"

    Not when what`s being typed is pure bullsh|t.

    "You pick and choose your arguments to stroke your Ego and have no qualms using biased info in your argument."

    Again, I have no ego to stroke. That`s YOUR assumption of all conservatives and YOUR excuse to "disregard everything" we have to say by declaring us "extremist".

    "how will the lesser people..."

    Whoa, now you`re putting words in my mouth? I don`t condescend to anyone or belittle them.

    "I consider my beliefs and opinions to be one of many worldviews that could be right."

    Your comments here on IAB belie that statement. In fact you call yourself a non-partisan and believe others are "extremist" simply based on your assumptions.
  173. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17515 posts
    October 8, 2013 at 5:00 pm
    pazerlenis: "I HAVE NO ISSUE WITH YOUR BELIEFS"

    Yes, yes you do. Otherwise you wouldn`t be calling us "Extremists", singleminded, biased, unethical, non-objective, egotists, etc...

    Perhaps if you excoriated the liberals here as strongly as you do us, you might have some non-partisan credibility. Until then, you can`t claim it with any honesty.
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    Musuko42 Male 18-29
    2850 posts
    October 9, 2013 at 3:58 am
    @CrakrJak

    Extremism isn`t about the belief, it`s about how far that belief is taken, and how it is communicated/acted upon.

    You could have an extremist knitter.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    31762 posts
    October 9, 2013 at 9:29 am
    @Musuko42: Isn`t "Extreme Knitting" an HGTV Show?

    But it IS ALL ABOUT beliefs! @CrakrJak is correct.
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    Musuko42 Male 18-29
    2850 posts
    October 9, 2013 at 9:45 am
    @5Cats

    I`d watch that.

    And no, it`s not about the beliefs. At least, not from my perspective. Sometimes, I manage to catch you or CrakrJak on a good day and you are both pleasantly agreeable to debate with, and though I often (but not always) agree with your perspective, I do get to understand it better.

    And on other days, you fire up your emotions and engage in unhelpful tactics, both for the rest of us (we get annoyed) and for yourselves (you damage any chance of convincing us to your way of thinking).

    (cont)
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    Musuko42 Male 18-29
    2850 posts
    October 9, 2013 at 9:45 am
    (cont)



    I`m not going to claim that the "other side" are innocent of this. They`re not. Hell, I`ll freely admit that I do it too. So please don`t think I`m solely accusing you two.

    Neither of you hold particularly extreme opinions. But you *do* often deliver those opinions with the same rhetoric and tone as the extremists. At least, that`s how it often appears.

    It`s up to you how you deal with that. You`re free to continue as you are. But, personally, I think you`d get a lot further in getting people to understand your views if you used the more civil methods.
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    Musuko42 Male 18-29
    2850 posts
    October 9, 2013 at 9:48 am
    PS: And sometimes, you`ll find the person you`re debating can be reasonable too.

    For example, I`ve bowed out of this conversation, because I realised that the American method of funding its laws and deciding its budget was so wholly alien to me in ways that I didn`t anticipate that I wasn`t equipped to properly make a personal judgement on the situation or who was right or wrong (beyond a general air of "Jeeeeez, that`s messed up", which doesn`t help anyone).

    Others are no doubt the same. Can you try to go into debates without assuming the other side will be shouty and emotional and irrational, and try not to be the same yourself?
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    pazerlenis Male 40-49
    1380 posts
    October 12, 2013 at 10:56 pm
    @5cats, "No, not even close. Unless I was SPECIFICALLY criticizing Obama`s opinions on Hitler? You `logic fail` = epic!"

    That would be a great point if I had been directly criticizing your opinions on Obama, but I wasn`t. That`s just you trying to project your fight with liberals onto me. I have no interest in your fight, just with HOW you choose to fight it.

    Personally, I find all the posturing and fear-mongering to be rather played out, and I think the American public as a whole is getting sick of it too. The polls seem to be supporting that hypothesis, but I`m sure you`ll just disregard them as biased by the liberal media.

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