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  1. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
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    October 24, 2013 at 7:45 am
    Link: What Was The Holocaust? - The author of `94 Maidens` makes a case for Holocaust education in US Schools.
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    sutra46 Female 40-49
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    October 24, 2013 at 8:17 am
    US is unique in developed nations (many third world countries like India have better education), where content of education is a political issue.

    I feel bad for these kids. They are up against kids who are informed.
    Scary to think these are future voters in the democracy.
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    HalfPintRoo Female 18-29
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    October 24, 2013 at 8:36 am
    I am really shocked (and sad) hearing this isn`t taught in schools everywhere! I grew up in NY so I just assumed everyone knew about it.

    And for the record- american college is not a place of learning today- it`s about social status.
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    AGit Male 30-39
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    October 24, 2013 at 8:46 am
    Studying history over here (specifically in Spain) we never quite reached the Second World War in class, it seems we always got up to the 1920`s, but almost everybody (dunces are commonplace) knew the answers to most of these questions at the time. I don`t think it`s the sole fault of the education system
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    patchouly Male 40-49
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    October 24, 2013 at 8:52 am
    Good post, 5Cats. The Holocaust was one of the worst atrocities this planet has seen. To not teach kids about it is terrible. People have to know. To never forget.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    October 24, 2013 at 8:53 am
    And for the record- american college is not a place of learning today- it`s about social status.

    So I taught myself programming and a bunch of computer information systems stuff?? Interesting.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    October 24, 2013 at 9:09 am
    Think it`s just here?

    Also this.

    Definitely taught in Mass which didn`t appear on the list of required. Mabey they just found morons who can`t remember anything they`ve been taught?
  8. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
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    October 24, 2013 at 9:32 am
    US is unique in developed nations... where content of education is a political issue.

    VERY good point @sutra46! So many `liberal` teachers and professors are outright anti-semites: they`ll do anything to keep history lessons "purely liberal" eh?

    The current rounds of "re-writing American History" to emphasise blacks, women and other `special interest groups` is just sickening. And any chance to "de-jewify" the books is a good thing in their minds.

    Re-Write History: From Marx to Stalin to Mao to Alinsky = It`s what liberals DO!

    @Patchouly: Thanks! I like how she emphasises that she`s NOT trying to "make kids look dumb" at all! She`s showing how BASIC LESSONS from history are not being taught in American schools!

    @AGit: Um, she`s in America? Not Spain? I THINK they have separate school systems... I could be wrong though :-/

    @McGovern: That`s what I mean! It`s ALL the liberal-left
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    McThstlpnts Female 18-29
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    October 24, 2013 at 9:32 am
    I was talked about when I was in the 7th grade for about a week and then we were done. It was vaguely mentioned for the rest of my "history" education. The teacher (my favorite teacher) did show us images from the camps but I never heard about the Night of Broken Glass or the ship...or the boat of Jews. In fact, most of my knowledge I have now are from movies and reading into the history myself.

    Honestly, this isn`t surprising at all because any country is going to want itself to look good...even if that means flat out lying to its population. America is not alone in this.
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    McThstlpnts Female 18-29
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    October 24, 2013 at 9:40 am
    5Cats...you completely lost credibility on blaming this entirely on the "left". Are you completely ignorant to a very RIGHT state called Texas? How they are trying bring religion into science class and gloss over American history to meet the standards of their own opinions.

    Texas isn`t alone.

    More

    And more..
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    McThstlpnts Female 18-29
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    October 24, 2013 at 9:40 am
    The list goes on and on and on...

    But please...continue to live in the delusion of it being all "liberal".
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    SavageChef Female 50-59
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    October 24, 2013 at 10:02 am
    College Students? Seriously? Read anything other than comic books, kids?
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    sutra46 Female 40-49
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    October 24, 2013 at 10:04 am
    @5cats, !!!? Am not sure you understand old sport.

    I could explain but the cuckoo clock is too loud over here.

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    madduck Female 50-59
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    October 24, 2013 at 10:17 am
    Okay, I did not do 20th century history at school- but I did know about the holocaust- everyone did. How I am honestly not sure- but we all did. My kids know- even if they did not do it at school because I talked about it- just as I talked about other stuff- because it was important, interesting and I wanted to make sure they were informed- and I wanted to know how they felt in order to try and make sure it never happens on their watch. How can anyone NOT know??
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    AGit Male 30-39
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    October 24, 2013 at 10:19 am
    @5Cats, the point I was trying to make was that we weren`t taught at school about the Holocaust either, but even so we mostly would have answered correctly. I don`t feel that it`s the education system, rather the education as a whole. Perhaps if I did the same survey over here with kids nowadays, I`d get the same results...
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    HalfPintRoo Female 18-29
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    October 24, 2013 at 10:25 am
    TODAY McGovern1981- today.

    And I`m specifically referring to those who mommy and daddy pay to go live at college for 4 years- not having to work or be at all responsible for anything. They are there for the parties. The social aspects.
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    j_alegarbes Male 18-29
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    October 24, 2013 at 10:33 am
    Wow, these kids are stupid.
  18. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
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    October 24, 2013 at 10:37 am
    @McThstlpnts: Even in "Conservative States" the school system is DOMINATED by "Liberals". The Universities (other than private, Christian ones) are LIBERAL-RUN. With over 80% of the staff being "left-leaning". It`s a fact.

    @sutra46: oh, I DO KNOW you might have meant something else :-) But I chose to see things that way! ;-)

    @madduck: Schools in North America (Canada, USA & Mexico) do NOT teach kids how to think: only to repeat what they are told. This has been going on since I went to grade school in the 70`s! It`s not new at all.
    Deviation from the "lesson plan" (which is heavily LEFT) is punished.

    @AGit: I was mostly `pulling your leg` :-) But the US and Spain`s schools are literally "oceans apart" eh?

    @HalfPintRoo is correct! (Not that @McGovern is wrong though) MANY (but not all) youths think University is a 4 year vacation...
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    madduck Female 50-59
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    October 24, 2013 at 10:40 am
    But 5cats- I taught my kids- me- and by your standards I am very liberal indeed. I taught my kids- so why do other parents not do the same. I am not alone- the holocaust, the Stamford prison experiment etc- all standard fare for teenagers.. maybe the school does not teach this stuff but parents bloody well should.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    October 24, 2013 at 11:06 am
    And I`m specifically referring to those who mommy and daddy pay to go live at college for 4 years- not having to work or be at all responsible for anything. They are there for the parties. The social aspects.


    Essshh way to make me feel old! It was about 8 years ago and that happened then too though but they proceeded to fail out. Do they have a everyone gets a gold star program now? I have a frat douche of a cousin who`s doing that at BU now to the tune of about $60k a year and yes failed the first year. Wise investment cause a community college would be beneath him for that....
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    October 24, 2013 at 11:11 am
    Also even if you were never taught it in school how the hell could you have not at some point heard anything about it?!?! What bubble do these people live in?
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    patchouly Male 40-49
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    October 24, 2013 at 11:58 am
    @McGovern1981:
    "So I taught myself programming and a bunch of computer information systems stuff?? Interesting."
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    It can easily be done. I`ve taught myself everything from advanced hardware to computer programming, networking and server/database management. I even taught myself how to program a robot arm and became in the only person in Canada that knew how to do it. I`ve taught myself about biology, physics, medicine and law and several other subjects just by reading the books. And I taught myself how to play guitar, bass, drums, piano and a few other instruments to the point that I was able to be a teacher.

    College/University is a place for people to go so they can hang out and act like idiots, then get a paper to brag about. It is only one of many ways to learn.
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    broizfam Male 60-69
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    October 24, 2013 at 12:24 pm
    "Re-Write History: From Marx to Stalin to Mao to Alinsky = It`s what liberals DO! "

    C`mon, 5Cats. That was a dumb over-conservative comment worthy of Ollie. After all, conservatives are trying to get "Intelligent Design" (ie.: Creationism) taught as science in school.
    Also, I don`t know that they`re trying to emphasize blacks, women, etc. (not countering your point, just don`t actually know) vs. trying to at least include them, as they should be. There may, of course, be differing levels of emphasis in some areas. And, of course, that may be appropriate, too, depending on where, why, how, etc.
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    drawman61 Male 50-59
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    October 24, 2013 at 1:17 pm
    This happened outside America, how on earth would they know that?
    It`s a myth like the dinosaurs isn`t it?
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    October 24, 2013 at 1:43 pm
    College/University is a place for people to go so they can hang out and act like idiots, then get a paper to brag about. It is only one of many ways to learn.

    It can make it easier to learn having someone to help on things. Beside that piece of paper is what employers look for some places might think your just talking from your ass without it.
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    broizfam Male 60-69
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    October 24, 2013 at 1:47 pm
    @drawman61,
    And evolution, too, don`t forget.
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    CaptKangaroo Male 50-59
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    October 24, 2013 at 2:10 pm
    Public education is a joke.
    I was homeschooled by `hippie` parents- well, mostly my mother, who had a public high school education, and who often told us kids she learned more trying to put together a curriculum, than she did in school. But the most important things she taught us was, we CAN learn, and we can teach ourselves.
    In public schools, it seems that being able to recite facts- whether you understand them or not, or even are able to place them in any context- is the important thing. Form over substance.
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    SethDog Male 18-29
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    October 24, 2013 at 3:18 pm
    Sorry, but she seems like a bit of a bitch.. Yes the holocaust is important to her and she knows all about it. The average person can`t be expected to know everything about all important events in history. Why does this HAVE to be taught in school, if people want to know about it they can watch the history channel or something.
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    broizfam Male 60-69
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    October 24, 2013 at 4:15 pm
    @SethDog,
    Overall, I agree with you but it seems reasonable to at least teach that it existed. I understand that there`s an awful lot to teach and only a limited amount of time to do it effectively. That means you probably can`t fit it in as a new History "Unit". But to not even be taught that it happened in Germany during World War 2? Are they taught about World War 2? Maybe they think it`s an old video game; came out a few years after World War 1!
  30. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
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    October 24, 2013 at 4:45 pm
    Are they taught about World War 2? Maybe they think it`s an old video game; came out a few years after World War 1!

    That`s funny stuff right there @broizfam! Comedy Gold! :-)

    I read, ages ago, that the NEW standard US Civil War `Unit` consists of EQUAL parts: Women, Blacks, everything else. That`s hardly how it happened... it was for Jr High iirc...

    But anyhow? This has been going on since the 60`s, and their "market dominance" is virtually total.

    I think Holocaust education is important because it helps keep the memories of all the OTHER genocides alive too! If we forget history? We WILL repeat it...
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    broizfam Male 60-69
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    October 24, 2013 at 4:59 pm
    I guess I can understand if their intention was to teach the history of the Civil War era vs. the Civil War specifically, since you have to have some understanding of the general life to understand the era. Of course, I have no idea, at all, of what their plan was.
    That`s an old adage, about not forgetting your history. One well worth remembering!
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    NNoamfer Male 18-29
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    October 24, 2013 at 5:28 pm
    Why should Americans give a poo about the state of the Jews in WWII, they seem to be doing fine not giving a poo about the state of the soviets being killed by their regimes, or any other victims of genocide for that matter. This is just scare mongering and brainwashing in order to get people to support a terrorist zionist state. I know what is being said is true, but it`s being said in an incredibly biased manner.

    I would also like to know where there is genocide today, and how that relates to Israel.

    This video does show that Americans don`t know poo about WWII in general, which is not really surprising honestly. I guess that`s one good thing about this video.

    I`m all for people learning about the holocaust and WWII, but not in a manner that makes Jews the center of the world. The holocaust killed 11 million people, not 6 million. Around 20 million died under Stalin.

    I don`t disrespect the holocaust, my great grandfather was imprisoned for being a
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    Draculya Male 40-49
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    October 24, 2013 at 7:47 pm
    Forgive and forget. Let bygones be bygones. All the affected parties are gone, so let`s move on.

    The lessons of the Holocaust are already lost on Israel.
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    October 24, 2013 at 11:24 pm
    Guess how they vote.
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    Sleepyhallow Male 50-59
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    October 25, 2013 at 12:28 am
    Given studies on intelligence, Ollie, It`s the stupider the more Conservative.
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    C_Frost Male 30-39
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    October 25, 2013 at 9:31 am
    these kids are morons and an embarrassment to the school. at the very least any gamer would know the answers. she cherry picked the dumbest to make her poit
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    dognose82 Male 18-29
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    October 25, 2013 at 9:54 am
    So let me get this straight, a Jewish woman wants to make sure that schools in PA will stretch already skim budgets, time, and resources to make sure the Holocaust is covered in detail. Even though what we refer to as The Holocaust is only a small fraction of the atrocities that were committed in Europe, Africa, and Asia. Depending on the source you will find between 5 and 8 million Jews being killed during the years leading up to and during WWII. In his years in power Stalin is credited with about 20 million Russians. The Allies killed between 3-5 million German and Japanese civilians. The Chinese as low as 7 million and as high as 16 million civilians killed during WWII.

    Basically focusing on one crimes against one ethnic population in history class is about as racist as it comes. To cover the horrible events of the past with anymore than a few pages is impossible. Here in Indiana, history class covers it, but not with any great detail.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    October 25, 2013 at 9:59 am
    they seem to be doing fine not giving a poo about the state of the soviets being killed by their regimes

    Ya all those countries in Europe sure came to save the day too! We should`ve stayed isolationist you`ll bitch about anything.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    October 25, 2013 at 10:00 am
    I know what is being said is true, but it`s being said in an incredibly biased manner.

    How is fact biased?
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    TheOrigin Male 18-29
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    October 25, 2013 at 3:44 pm
    @McG: by isolationist you mean supporting both sides of the war for profit until directly involved?

    If that sh*tbrain ensemble spearheaded by Chamberlain had not lead the policy of appeasement and had not betrayed their allies, the war could have been entirely different.

    Also, there were far worse atrocities commited during, before and after WWII by all parties, like the Ukrainian famine by the judeo-bolscheviks, rape of Nanking by the Japanese and so much more. The exterminations were targeted at jews, gypsies, slavs, communists, intellectuals and several other groups which deserve at least equal recognition.
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    October 25, 2013 at 11:16 pm
    @Sleepyhallow "Given studies on intelligence, Ollie, It`s the stupider the more Conservative."

    SH, if you seriously believe that, you`re part of the problem.
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    BigWaFuu Male 18-29
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    October 27, 2013 at 9:28 pm
    lol @ the girl who said "I dunno, it was WW2 so like 1800s? 300 years ago?" nice.

    The interviewer lost me when she asked more particular questions beyond basic knowledge. Many people wouldn`t retain very specific information about any event such as terms or names of camps unless they were self proclaimed experts.

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