Scumbag Congresswoman Renee Ellmers [Pic]

Submitted by: SweepOfDeath 4 years ago in

I"d like to think careers are being ruined by this. Careers that haven"t been furloughed, that is.
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Female 543
If she ends up in the wrong neighborhood she`s gonna get killed
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Male 14,331
[quote]Typical bully behavior. They spew their vitriol about "libtards" and "liberal f*cktards" nonstop--and the moment someone pushes back, they run to Mommy`s skirt and cry, "UNFAIR!" [/quote]

Pssst Your supreme leader Obama is calling his opposition terrorists. I don`t see them doing anything like that. You`d think the man holding the highest office of the country would know it would be wiser to take the high road and not make exorbitant accusations like that kind of says a lot about him and his negotiating abilities.....
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Male 2,424
You mean all those gubmit employees who still get full back pay, despite having all this free time off?

I`m crying a drating river...
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Male 1,104
"@SpudFredman Europe isn`t a country.

I never said it was.
SpudFredman = Fail"
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fred, it`s hopeless with ollie, i wouldn`t bother.
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Male 6,227
@Synaw: IKR?

After enduring a TORRENT of vitriolic, far-right posts from 5Cats for two years, I decided recently to provide the opposing, reality-based viewpoint. And what happens? The right-wingers on here cry like little babies.

Typical bully behavior. They spew their vitriol about "libtards" and "liberal f*cktards" nonstop--and the moment someone pushes back, they run to Mommy`s skirt and cry, "UNFAIR!"

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Male 58
@Phosphoreign must never see anything 5cats posts...
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Male 2,424
You mean all those gubmit employees who still get full back pay, despite having all this free time off?

I`m crying a drating river...
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Male 308
And again with the partisanship and politics from an ENTERTAINMENT website... case in point, scumbag DEMOCRAT SENATOR HARRY REID when asked would you approve a bill that would help 1 child with cancer, his answer, "Why would I want to do that?" Anything from I-A-B about scumbag liberals and democrats? Or it`s just conservatives and republicans that are hated around here???
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Male 308
@MeGrendel: You are correct sir! Furthermore, I say to you, that delaying the requirement that businesses report until 2015 without amending and changing the law is the attempt to get AROUND DUE PROCESS!!!
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Male 15,832
@SpudFredman [quote]Europe isn`t a country.[/quote]


I never said it was.

SpudFredman = Fail
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Male 579
Whoop de doo and nice try to bash conservatives. "I will not be donating or forgoing my salary" - Gwen Moore (D) WI.
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Male 14,331
They`re all taking their checks both sides. That`s not a shutdown it`s a vacation.....
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Male 8,547
Squrlz4Sale-"And DUE PROCESS is what`s at stake here, make no mistake."

And yet, what`s going on IS DUE PROCESS (the Republicans are, afterall, following the law and rules of order)...and yet you seem to not like it and call it `extortion` because it`s not due process in your favor.

Weird.
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Male 5,620
You see, by adding in that 29 percent that believe that "Congress should make changes to improve the law" as "supportive" of Obamacare, you can easily make whatever conclusion you want to make.

The fact is, they like others, want to see healthcare more spread out evenly to everyone, however, they don`t like the ACA the way it is. I argue that it should be defunded because it impacts people like me to the tune of around 300 a month MORE in costs if I drop my wife. Does that mean I don`t want Johnny the welfare guy down the street to have health insurance? No. I just means I don`t want to pay for it.
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Male 5,620
S4S - also lets look more in depth at your poll from Forbes.

It is all in how you interpret the data. I can easily make this claim with the same data:

71% of poll takers believe that the ACA should either be changed, defunded, or repealed.
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Male 5,620
"HE LOST. BY FIVE MILLION VOTES."

Yeah, because he was no different. Romneycare was as much nonsense as Obamacare. He was a duplicate of Obama, and I feel that most voters didn`t understand why they should change.
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Male 5,620
S4S, "You went to the wrong survey."

While partially correct, I saw the data you linked to. I do concede that I looked at the survey linked in the bottom, and thought that it was the actual survey used. A lot of articles I read do that, which is post a link to the actual study.

I assumed since the study I reviewed was part of your link, that it was fair game for discussion.
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Male 17,511
S4S: "In short, I believe in democracy. Not extortion."

If so then you wouldn`t be for the extortion of the individual mandate and forcing everyone to pay, via all the force of the IRS. Including, but not limited to, taking the fees for Obamacare directly from people`s bank accounts.
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Male 17,511
S4s: "the 2012 election was the closest thing to a national referendum on the Affordable Care Act that this nation is ever likely to have."

Not really, it was more of a show of media bias than a referendum on any one political issue.

"What I would NOT do, and what I would NOT support, is holding all the operations of government hostage until I got my way."

Then tell Harry Reid to get off his ass and allow a budget vote on the floor of the senate, then even if it failed, the bill would go to conference and be negotiated.
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Male 17,511
S4S: The RCP Average shows an 11% gap between disapproval and approval.

Sorry, but your 2/3rds approval claim doesn`t hold water.
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Male 6,227
@ MeGrendel: You`ve always been intelligent and honest, so I want to return the favor with an honest answer that (I hope) contains some intelligence.

When I stated that the ACA isn`t perfect, but it`s an improvement, you responded:

"You THINK it will be.... What happens when it ends up being much, much worse?"

If it winds up being worse, the law will be either amended or repealed, in keeping with due process. And DUE PROCESS is what`s at stake here, make no mistake.

If I found that I liked the ACA and a Republican president led an effort to successfully repeal it, I would certainly be disappointed. As a response, I`d donate to liberals who promised to reinstate it.

What I would NOT do, and what I would NOT support, is holding all the operations of government hostage until I got my way, majority rule be damned.

In short, I believe in democracy. Not extortion.
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Male 6,227
(Cont`d)

That`s why I like to refer back to the 2012 election. Remember this guy?



Mitt Romney--remember? His campaign was built around a favorite pledge:

"IF ELECTED, I WILL REPEAL OBAMACARE ON DAY 1."

In fact, the 2012 election was the closest thing to a national referendum on the Affordable Care Act that this nation is ever likely to have.

And what happened? Oh yeah. HE LOST. BY FIVE MILLION VOTES.

Sorry, Elkingo. Here, have a cigarette and a couple more Twinkies. Maybe you`ll feel better. =^.^=
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Male 6,227
(Cont`d)

Regarding the poll I actually referred to (and not the one you substituted for it), I can save you some effort and show you the key question and its result (below).



As you can see, just as I stated, two-thirds of Americans want to see the ACA law enacted; only one-third want to see it defunded or repealed. Hope that helps clear things up for you.

I will concede one thing about the Obamacare polls that are out there, though. The survey data is all over the place--not surprising when you consider the amount of disinformation the Republicans have been spewing about it for the past several years (Death Panels, anyone?). Consequently, some surveys show one thing, some another, largely based on sample size and how the questions are worded.

(Cont`d)
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Male 6,227
@ Elkingo:

You wrote: "I am not sure how I can debate with you. Your own link to support Obamacare is in opposition to what you are saying. I... I just don`t quite understand this type of idiotic talk."

Well, Elkingo, let me try to help you out.

You went to the wrong survey. That`s right: When you said, "From your link, the actual survey is found," you then either deliberately lied or made an error and took the reader to a completely different survey than the one that is the basis of the Forbes article to which I linked. You took the reader to an American Action Forum survey, funded by a conservative think tank; the Forbes article, however, was based on a survey by The Morning Consult.

Oopsie-doopsie!

(Cont`d)
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Male 8,547
Squrlz4Sale-"The ACA isn`t perfect, but it`s an improvement."

You THINK it will be.

What happens when it ends up being much, much worse?

bliznik-"It`s like saying, "Toast, Roast, Boast, Coast, Most. What do you put in a toaster?"

Bread.

BritInvasion-"Modwain is unbiased because he is from Europe "

Sorry, the latter part of that statement does not necessarily follow the first part.

Unless you`re willing to include 5Cats in that, the statement is crap.

bliznik-"and Obamacare passed."

Sorry, it was `deemed` passed. Not the same thing.

FredSpudman-"@OldOllie Europe isn`t a country."

He didn`t say it was. Please try and keep up.
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Male 334
Oh, and 5cats, i am sorry, i am lazy now, i hope you dont mind that i will not bother posting a link, a foto or a story of any random riot that has happened in the united states in, well, i am pretty sure we wil be happy enough when i say last year.. right? but if you think it is still needed, go google it yourself.
Dont worry, i am sure that looking up stuff about the usa in a negative light will not get you investigated on by what ever law based agencies are around to monitor us this time.. Mostly the nsa i think but from what i read on here, the fbi may be in on it too..

And i like to bash on this, but in all fairness, i would not be surprised if other west and east oriented countries do the same. so yeah, i shouldnt bash on it.

Btw, does the government shut down state side now also mean that certain invasive actions of different government agencies is now at a pause? just curious, i think not but it would be funny
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Male 334
ok,m you can keep bashing eachothers heads in with arguments and what not, and you can even make claims that things in other parts of the world are so much better or worse then they are state side. Definetly dont look to socialist principles, or do keep pointing out for example, that things arent much better in europe, because.. well, teh riot example given earlier by 5 cats. This is both funy and very true, things arent perfect in the european union of nation stats ,not at all, but they are still talking about it, thinking on how to do things better. Are they there yet? hell no, not sure if they ever will be, but that, how ever funny it may seem, is not the point.
The thing is, that leaders, no matter what system you choose, need for those relying on them, to lead. how they do it is what distinguishes despot and enlightend leaders. If you hold one group back just so another group can benefit against the first group, i fear you are no longer in the enlighthend catagory
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Male 17,511
FredSpudman: The European union does certainly act like one single country both in trade, banking, money, transit and many other aspects. They do have squabbles amongst themselves, but so do our individual states.
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Male 40,764
@FredSpudman: Um, when did @OldOllie SAY Europe was one country? It`s a continent, eh?

There`s America (the country) and NORTH America (the continent). People are often leaving off the "North" part, much to Canada and Mexico`s chagrin...

So yeah! Europe is SO PEACEFUL! Look at the past 100 years...

Ok, how about modern France (riots) Sweden (riots) Greece (riots)... hummm... Spain? Riots.
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Male 5,620
"You can say its representative of that area or state"

You do bring up a good point, but you either don`t know what you are talking about (which seems most likely), or you didn`t even review the link I provided. It was a combination of 378 different surveys taken by differing agencies (both liberal, conservative, and everything in between) with a total of 413976 total participants. No, it doesn`t "represent" the entire population, because it is a damn survey of random people. However, it lends us enough information that we can make inferences about the total population with 95% confidence that we are in fact reporting what we say we are at 85% strength.

Those numbers (95 and 85) lead us to believe that what was measured was accurate and a good representation of the entire population.

The type of test that is is called a t-test. Welcome to your first lesson on statistics. School is out now, run along.
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Male 5,620
Also @tedgp, hereis a sample size calculator, you know.. what statisticians and researchers use to figure how many of a population is needed to make inferences.
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Male 5,620
@tedgp -- The link I provided (This one) Can say with 85% confidence, and 95% accuracy that in fact 51.1% of people disapprove of Obamacare. The total sample size was 413976 participants.


Your stupidity on the matter is showing. I on the other hand am a statistician.

One can conclude based on the Real Clear Politics assimilation of polls, that there is a very strong reason to believe that half or better of the nation disapprove of Obamacare for whatever reason.
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Male 653
@OldOllie Europe isn`t a country. Try taking a leaf from Canada`s book.
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Male 15,832
[quote]I`m not qualified to get into the ins and outs but, gosh, you Americans have a disturbing capacity for hating each other.[/quote]
Right. We should take a lesson from Europe, because you`re so peaceful and loving.

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Male 2,085
She`s a milf.
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Male 17,511
Squrlz: "I meant that money had been *appropriated for it*."

Nope, it`s not all been appropriated, not by a long damn shot. The CBO has said it would cost about $2 trillion over a decade and still leave 30 million people uninsured. There is absolutely no accounting for that in the bill.

Also, "We do not need to bring a budget to the floor this year, it`s done, we don`t need to do it," Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, said in February of 2012 when there were 1000 days without a senate budget.

It`s now been over 1600 days without a senate budget, we are $17 trillion in debt, more people on food stamps than ever before and the labor force participation rate has plunged to levels not seen since Jimmy Carter in 1978.

The senate hasn`t passed a budget since April 29, 2009. That`s an undeniable fact, Squrlz.
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Female 1,743
I know it doesn`t, 5Cats. I am just stating that ACA isn`t enough for me. The individual mandate doesn`t make sense to me unless it`s universal healthcare. :P

But hey, if you really hate it that much, I`ll trade you citizenships! :D :D
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Male 40,764
You know what else is open during the shutdown?

Obama`s Golf Course! He played this weekend! 35th round this year...

Obama golfs while America burns? Is that how it`s supposed to work?
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Male 7,123
I`m not qualified to get into the ins and outs but, gosh, you Americans have a disturbing capacity for hating each other.

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Male 3,285
Lol.... hmm...

How about you just leave statistics to those who understand them.

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That includes you then i take it, because you obviously have no clue what you are talking about. Unless you poll the majority of citizens in an area, then there is no possible way you can say that your very small statistical base is representative of the entire country.

You can say its representative of that area or state, but certainly not a statistical analysis of over 350 million people.
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Male 883
These people that are furloughed...they were never not going to get paid. They would always have gotten back pay. That`s something people do not seem to understand. Sure it will inconvenience some of them in the present but they will get all of it.
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Male 1,743
@HumanAction, I`m all for a system of checks and balances. I actually think it`s great to continue to have a discussion about different laws.

But how many times should we fight the same battle? There was a fight over Obamacare in the House and Senate, and Obamacare passed. There was a fight in the state courts, and Obamacare passed. There was a fight in the Supreme Court, and Obamacare (for the most part) passed.

Is this issue so important that we need to keep fighting this particular battle over and over and over again? I understand fighting repeated battles over human rights, but I don`t really understand these prolonged battles over who pays for healthcare.
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Male 3,445
"She`s working; they are not."

Some of them ARE working, like the Capitol Police who protected members of congress from that deranged woman the other day. THEY are working and not getting paid.
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Male 1,415
well, since congress just voted to give back pay to these lay-abouts...you can not say she voted to take away their paychecks. the fed workers should be happy, they are getting a paid vacation.
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Male 2,357
@Squrlz

So, let me get this straight - you want a system without checks and balances? After all, that`s what this is - a demonstration of checks and balances at work.

See, our government was setup to require all major sections to agree in order to pass a new law/budget. Unfortunately, this also necessarily means that any one section can completely block the passing of a new law/budget.

For example:

1. The President can veto a budget;
2. The Senate can refuse a vote on a budget; and,
3. The House can defund whatever the Hell they want to.

See? Checks and balances at work. I don`t understand why you want to get rid of that.
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Male 40,764
[quote]5Cats is unbiased because he is from Canada and is viewing everything externally.[/quote]

Fixed it for you @BritInvasion!! :-)

@handimanner! Are you paying attention? You too @madest...
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Male 5,620
@Zuriel -- Also, sorry that you got sand in your e-vagina... must be really itchy and irritating.
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Male 5,620
@Zuriel "TL;DR"

Hey! That is exactly what Pelosi said when she wanted to vote on it in the first place!



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Male 5,620
@patchouly, "LOL! I am always amazed at how a person can be brainwashed to hate something that is good for them..."

Yea, after getting a quote, if I drop my wife (who is pregnant) and only buy Obamacare to cover myself, my monthly costs go up 300 dollars a month. So yeah, I dunno about being brainwashed, but let me tell you, I am real fu*king excited to get started on this insurance.
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Male 5,620
@patchgrabber -- I didn`t conduct the polls, only shared them, so they aren`t exactly "mine."

I posted those in response to S4S who seems to think there is overwhelming support for Obamacare showed in the polls. Regardless of what those polls measure, that is by far from the truth.
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Male 5,620
tedgp, "elkingo, if that poll didnt survey every US citizen then it is pointless."

Lol.... hmm...

How about you just leave statistics to those who understand them.
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Male 312
I LOVE (wish i could bold that) that Modwain made the most logical statement in this whole thread and everyone completely disregarded it.

Modwain is unbiased because he is from Europe and is viewing everything externally.

Take a read of someone that is not trying to blame one side or the other but simply stating the facts at hand. Then, comment on it because all everyone else is doing on here is bi*ching back and forth, and yes I mean EVERYONE and it`s getting you nowhere except irate.


I completely agree with his assertion.

This is all I have to say on the matter.

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Male 15,832
[quote]There are plenty of countries out there that don`t offer universal healthcare. Perhaps you should just pick one and go. [/quote]
I already have one, or at least I did before this f***tard Nazi bastard stole the election and is now in the process of turning us into the People`s Republic of Obamaland.

If we leave this f***ed up piece of $#!+ health care scheme to die on it`s own, it will, of course, but not before taking the whole damned country down with it.

We are so f***ed, and all you liberal f***tards are the reason why.
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Male 1,284
A black guy and a white girl meet at a bar. They go back to her place to hook up. She starts taking his clothes off and tells him: "now show me what you guys are famous for."

So he beats her up and steals her TV
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Male 40,764
From @Squrlz4`s Link:
"ONLY "33 percent believe that the health law should be repealed, delayed, or defunded.
29 percent believe that "Congress should make changes to improve the law,"
26 percent believe that "Congress should let the law take effect" and see what happens.
12 percent believe that the law should be expanded"

ONLY is the LARGEST GROUP!??!
33 +29 = 62% of Americans think it SHOULD BE CHANGED. That`s a majority, yes?
Buuuuut: OBAMA REFUSES!

So @Squrlz4: Thank you for proving OUR SIDE! :-) Keep up the fine job, eh?
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Male 40,764
[quote]Hey, I`m still holding out for universal health care...[/quote]
@nubblins: Sorry, ObamaCare has nothing to do with "universal healthcare" at all! In fact it (currently) has DENIED INSURANCE to MILLIONS more Americans than it has `helped`!

[quote]Once a budget has passed...[/quote]
@Squrlz4: You DO understand that a LACK of budget these past THREE YEARS is why this "crisis" is happening in the first place?
And WHO is to blame for that? Democrats. Plain and simple.

[quote]The ACA is being received enthusiastically by millions...[/quote]
And REJECTED by more! Wait, YOU OPPOSE minority rule? But are OK with minority laws like ObamaCare TAXING EVERYONE? It`s a tax, fyi...
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Male 559
[quote]There are dozens of socialist $#!+holes that offer "universal health care." Some of them even speak English. Just pick one and go. There`s no need to drag us down into that sewer.[/quote]

There are plenty of countries out there that don`t offer universal healthcare. Perhaps you should just pick one and go. That way, backwards thinking people like you won`t continue to drag our country further down into this sewer.
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Male 502
Try reading a book or two on economics, and maybe a history book too. geez people are ignorant of how things work.
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Male 7,934
She`s such a standup Republcan Teahard.
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Male 4,745
OldOllie:
"universal health care...
There are dozens of socialist $#!+holes that offer "universal health care." Some of them even speak English. Just pick one and go. There`s no need to drag us down into that sewer."
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LOL! I am always amazed at how a person can be brainwashed to hate something that is good for them and love something that is bad for them. When a person stands in front of you and states "Universal health care is bad; taxing the poor and giving tax breaks to the rich is good", you know some serious brainwashing is in place. Best to back away quietly and leave them alone. Sort of like when you encounter a scared, crazy dog. you want to help fix it, but it`s so fuc&ed up that you`re best to leave it alone and let it die out on it`s own.
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Male 5,811
@elkingo: To be fair, most of your polls only ask if they oppose or approve, which is a faulty methodology. One of the optionlinks in your "aid" to SfS in searching showed polls that gave more options, and there are a significant portion of people that either "don`t know" or oppose it because they preferred the single payer option. Also, it shows polls that the majority don`t want to defund it. The Pew poll is probably the best one in that group.

If anything I`d say the biggest failure of Obama`s is that he hasn`t gone into enough detail to inform people about the law. Most polls performed show that people are more opposed to "Obamacare" than the ACA, and that almost all are in favour of many of the individual provisions; people just are blatantly ignorant of the law itself.
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Male 3,285
elkingo, if that poll didnt survey every US citizen then it is pointless.
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Male 554
@elkingo

TL;DR

btw, is your e-peen bigger now after posting ?
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Male 5,620
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Male 5,620
SFS -- I am not sure how I can debate/argue with you. Your own link to support Obamacare is in opposition to what you are saying. I... I just don`t quite understand this type of idiotic talk.
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Male 5,620
Continued from SFS`s support for Obamacare link:

"Conclusion

While the potential of a government shutdown is likely to consume much of the news this week it’s
important to remember that Obamacare continues to become less popular by the day. In addition, a strongmajority of the voters in the battleground favor a one year delay of the individual mandate. Clearly mostvoters see such a delay as nothing more than common sense given the fact that the Administration hasalready delayed the corporate mandate."
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Male 5,620
"Per (the very conservative) Forbes magazine, two-thirds of Americans want to see the ACA law enacted;"

From your link, the actual survey is found:

AAF
Based on everything that you have seen, read and heard, do you favor or oppose President Obama’s health care law,
also known as Obamacare? (IF FAVOR/OPPOSE, ASK: And would you say you strongly favor/oppose or just somewhat favor/oppose?)
36% TOTAL FAVOR
57% TOTAL OPPOSE

Do you favor or oppose Republican efforts to use the funding bill to delay the Obamacare individual mandate?

55% TOTAL FAVOR
35% TOTAL OPPOSE

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Male 3,285
Oldollie must be living in a dreamworld or actually believes all the junk he watches on fox news.

Seriously, can there be a more deranged ignorant person on the planet?
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Male 6,227
From reader Jerry M. Byrd on the NYT website:

[quote]Since the Republicans are always touting that they wish to "run the government like a business"...

Date: November 2014
From: Human Resources (the American voters)
Subject: Annual Perfomance Review
Distribution: House Republicans

- Do not work well with others, refuse to participate with team members.
- Do not complete duties and assignments per sworn agreements.
- Talk too much and too loud, disrupting the workplace.
- Disregard and disrespect the CEO.
- Take excessive time off.
- Work on personal projects (fund-raising) on company time.
- Performance is not commensurate with pay and benefits.
- Show signs of anti-social behavior.
- Work against stated goals and ideals of the company.
- Refuse remediation and/or counseling.

Conclusion: Immediate termination of employment, without severance package.[/quote]
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Male 1,743
CrakrJak, you`re really citing Rasmussen Polls as a reference? OMFG, let`s look at how those "survey questions" were worded, shall we?

"The Obama Administration just announced it will delay implementation of the employer mandate requiring companies to offer health insurance. Should it also delay implementation of the individual mandate requiring every American to buy or obtain health insurance?"

"A proposal has been made to repeal the health care law and stop it from going into effect. Do you strongly favor, somewhat favor, somewhat oppose or strongly oppose a proposal to repeal the health care law?"

Rasmussen got in trouble before for asking loaded questions, and for limiting their polling audience to Republican-leaning areas. It looks like now Rasmussen precedes each question with a statement that biases the answer.

It`s like saying, "Toast, Roast, Boast, Coast, Most. What do you put in a toaster?"
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Male 5,872
Nice teeth. At her age, teeth that good need a big pay check.
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Male 334
wether this is the fault of one or the other playground bully group is funnily not even an issue. the issue is that a low has been passed that is now issue in a completely unrelated item and is now used to justify the worst of democratic options available. i can think of no company or institution other then the us goverment that can say i disagree with some of my team so we will shut down. this is gunboat diplomacy, not the idea of the democratic proces. but then, in a country that is big on do as i say not as i do, it is to be expected i fear. I feel for the peeps that now are put on (unpaid?) and indefined vacatoin whilst the `elite` is bickering over who`s fault it is. seems to me that if you demand or bust an issue, you are no longer discussing it.

But then, it is often said that you get the goverment you deserve, not sure if that is true though,but still.
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Male 6,227

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Male 6,227
@ CrakrJak:

(1) The link works just fine for me. Try it again.

(2) Yes, *of course* all the money for the ACA hasn`t been collected yet. When I said it was *funded* when it was signed into law in 2010, I meant that money had been *appropriated for it*. I would have thought that was obvious, but I guess not. What the Teahaddists are trying to do is strip money that has been appropriated for the ACA out of the budget. There: Is that clear enough for you? Or are you going to accuse me of a "blatant lie" again simply because you misunderstood something?

(3) Ha! Your attempt to blame the government shutdown on Harry Reid is 100% baloney. It is at such a remove from reality I`m not even going to bother with it. But do keep believing it: You and the other Tea Partiers are doing such a good job of marginalizing yourselves out of the mainstream that I can hardly wait for the 2014 elections.
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Female 2,691
Yeah, because none of the rest of us need our paycheck. Send her to the garbage heap.
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Male 17,511
Squrlz: Your linky no worky.

But I do know of a recent Rasmussen Poll that 56% want the president to delay implementation of the mandate, to 26% that do want it. 54% expect it to increase, not reduce, health care costs. 51% think it will make the health care system worse.

So forgive me if I`m skeptical of your "two-thirds" figure. and your "The Affordable Healthcare Act *was* funded by Congress when it was signed into law in 2010." statement is a blatant lie. Why? because it`s funded on taxes and increased insurance premiums, that didn`t start taking effect until this year.

Also, your "...holding the rest of the government`s operations hostage." claim is no fault of the Republicans, it`s Harry Reid, at the behest of Obama, that has short circuited budget negotiations in the senate for the past 3 years.

Harry Reid could end this shutdown in a day, by letting the budget come up for a vote on the senate floor.
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@ Elkingo:

Not sure what you mean when you say "the American people wised up." Per (the very conservative) Forbes magazine, two-thirds of Americans want to see the ACA law enacted; only one-third want to see it defunded or delayed. What we`re seeing is the result of gerrymandering of Republican districts by state legislatures--gerrymandering that has created extreme far-right districts, which have elected Tea Partiers, who have no incentive to compromise on anything.

Also, you seem to be misunderstanding a basic point in all this: The Affordable Healthcare Act *was* funded by Congress when it was signed into law in 2010. What the Tea Partiers are trying to do is to DEFUND it by holding the rest of the government`s operations hostage. This is not democracy in action; it is an attempt at extortion.
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@nubblins [quote]Hey, I`m still holding out for universal health care... [/quote]
There are dozens of socialist $#!+holes that offer "universal health care." Some of them even speak English. Just pick one and go. There`s no need to drag us down into that sewer.
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@ Nubblins: I hear you. The ACA is being received enthusiastically by millions who have been fed up with the rip-off healthcare system we`ve suffered under for decades. The ACA isn`t perfect, but it`s an improvement. This is opening eyes and making many question the status quo.

And as you can see both in the halls of Congress and in this I-A-B thread, the right-wingers are going ballistic.
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@ Djwajda: I think we can agree that American politics are in a very sorry state. I`d love to start fresh with a clean slate, with term limits, an overturn of the Citizens United ruling, and the abolition of the debt limit procedure, which is archaic and virtually unheard of in the rest of the civilized world. Once a budget has passed and we`ve spent the money, paying the bill when it comes in the mail should be automatic.
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You know what we need? another war..lets take our ridiculously oversize military budget and go fubar someone to buy back voter morale....I dunno...maybe Australia? or we could liquidate some of that surplus and actually provide adequate social services...just a thought.
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Hey, I`m still holding out for universal health care...


*hears crickets*

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@Squrlz4Sale: Fuh Q
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@ Elkingo:

[quote]I think it is hilarious how all of my points are simply ignored on this bullsh|t thread.[/quote]
Sorry, Elkingo. I work my way through the comments from most intelligent to least intelligent and yours simply haven`t made the cut yet.
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I think it is hilarious how all of my points are simply ignored on this bullsh|t thread.
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"Yes, elections DO have consequences--and through elections, Democrats hold both the Presidency and the Senate."

Too bad the American people wizened up.. and too bad you can`t just fund whatever you want to pass without congress huh?
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@ OldOllie: Ollie, if you just close your eyes tight enough, grit your teeth, and hold your breath, I`ll bet you can convince yourself Obama was never elected.
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@S4S [quote]If you want to get rid of Obamacare, then contribute to political campaigns, knock on doors, and get more senators and a president elected. That is how democracy works. [/quote]
No, that how you get audited by the IRS 4 years in a row.

Democrats are always squealing like stuck pigs about "voter suppression." Well this is what REAL voter suppression looks like:



And THAT, my friends, is how Obama stole the election.
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@ MeGrendel:

[quote]Remember, elections have consequences...and Republicans won the House.[/quote]
Yes, elections DO have consequences--and through elections, Democrats hold both the Presidency and the Senate. And even with their slim hold on the House, Republicans FAILED to repeal the Affordable Care Act 42 times. 42 TIMES.

Sucks to be you, huh?
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Imagine that, a politician keeping a campaign promise! Lol
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@MeGrendel -- The republicans in office causing all this uproar are the ones that got voted in based on them saying they would do exactly what is happening now.
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@S4S You mean the old law in 2010 they revised or changed 19 times?

Politifact
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Squrlz4Sale-"If you want to get rid of Obamacare, then contribute to political campaigns, knock on doors, and get more senators and a president elected. That is how democracy works"

This is what is happening. These Republicans realize that if they don`t do this, they will most likely not get re-elected.

YOU don`t particularly like it, but this is the result of the last election.

Remember: "Elections have consequences" (what? You only like that when it benefits YOUR side?)
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@ OldOllie: Obamacare was SIGNED INTO LAW in 2010, examined and approved by the highest court in the land, and its namesake was re-elected in 2012. Per the Constitution, this is how legislation gets enacted in this country.

If you want to get rid of Obamacare, then contribute to political campaigns, knock on doors, and get more senators and a president elected. That is how democracy works. Not by holding a nation hostage if you don`t get your way.
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@Squrlz

Sorry but what I see is not what you say but an entire group of politicians, both D and R that are acting like spoiled rotten children. This isn`t just about Obamacare. This is ongoing and involves childish antics on BOTH sides of the board.

Harry Reid is an evil bastard that is out for himself. Boehner is a moron who doesn`t know which way to side unless his job as speaker is on the line. It`s not a liberal or conservative thing. These arseclowns are ALL out for what they can get for themselves and screw the public. And that includes good people like you and I that while we have differences of opinion still care about this country.

Vote ALL of them out and start fresh.
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Because, without the government, we can`t do things... like walk in the woods... or look at things.
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Squrlz4Sale-"they`re trying to extort the nation"

So the political process is now extortion? Remember, elections have consequences...and Repbublicans won house.

I don`t seem to recall your outrage when this crappy ACA was `deemed` passed, when all the waivers were handed out and the fact that Obama has illegally delayed several parts of it already.

Squrlz4Sale-"minority of extremists"

Republicans are not the minority in the house. Nor are they extremest.

Strangely, the house IS passing legislation....it`s the Senate where ONE person (the most minor a minority can be) is not allowing them to come up for a vote.

Squrlz4Sale-"Why don`t I just contact 30 liberal politicians in the House and have them DEMAND that tax rates on the rich go up to 95%"

Would be funny to see you laughed out of the House.
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She`s working; they are not. Nevertheless, she just voted for all those furloughed government workers to get paid anyway.

Liberal hate post = fail.

S4S, I agree. I absolutely support a policy of NOT TALKING to the Democrats as long as they`re trying to extort the nation into accepting Obamacare even though the vast majority of them don`t want it, and it`s turning out to be a complete unmitigated clusterf***.
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Yet we won`t hear sh|t about this as an IAB link:


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@ MeGrendel: I`ll repeat what I told McGovern earlier in another thread:

I absolutely support a policy of NOT TALKING to the Republicans as long as they`re trying to extort the nation.

You think it`s wise to allow a minority of extremists who can`t get their way through the constitutional channels of passing or repealing legislation to hold the country hostage? Are you out of your mind?!

If you allow a small extremist group like this to get what they want by threatening to drive the nation off a cliff, what`s to prevent them from doing it again and again?

Why don`t I just contact 30 liberal politicians in the House and have them DEMAND that tax rates on the rich go up to 95%--OR WE SHUT THE GOVERNMENT DOWN?

I wouldn`t support that because it`s not how a democracy functions. It would be--just like this is--a recipe for disaster.
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the whole thing is very bewildering if you`re not american ...
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Female 3,696
If they don`t want to work, how about their paychecks instead go to all those who are suddenly finding themselves without government funding?
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lol @8jdb28jdb2
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Liberal Logic 101

Banks should never be considered "too big to fail" because that breeds corruption and abuse. Banks that make poor financial choices should be allowed to fail, even though their employees will be temporarily of out work.

Government is too big to fail. We promise it won`t breed corruption or abuse. If government makes poor financial choices, we should just raise the debt ceiling and push through excessive budgets to ensure public employees don`t lose their jobs.

I mean, come on people. A little intellectual honestly please.
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How about no one, not even the president, gets a paycheck until an agreement is reached. All on board raise your hands.
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The more I think about it, the more I think America`s illness is rooted in the lack of maternity leave. American get six weeks, while the most civilized countries get around a year. If babies don`t bound with their mothers, they become distant, anti-social and prone to sociopathic behaviour. Pretty much a complete description of an average American.
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Why does the federal government employ "non-essential" personnel? The lack of apocalypse (or really even significant market reaction) in lieu of their absence suggests that they truly are non-essential.

Oh that`s right though, you fools just want to keep throwing money at them. After all, that is what you do.
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@ Djwajda:

[quote]ummmmm, no, I do not.[/quote]
If you really cannot see the difference between:

(1) a millionaire Republican representative who helped put 800K people out of work saying "I need my paycheck";

AND

(2) some liberal representatives, who did NOT vote for the Tea Party extortion plan, keeping their paychecks;

then I can`t help you. Sorry.
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More lunatic liberal propaganda. Nothing to see here, the left controls the media. Not a secret. All politicians are scumbags. All Hail Kim Jung Obama!
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The sad thing is, in 2016 a large percentage of the 800,000 people out of work will probably be voting for the political entity that put them out of a job over a lost bid at extortion.
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[quote]See the difference[/quote]

ummmmm, no i do not. Please tell me how this woman is any different from the people you so badly want to vilify? The democrats are NO different no matter how much cool aid they cram down your throat. I`d think if they were such good people they`d want to set an example to further make the republicans look bad. But instead they do the exact same thing you`re complaining about and get a free pass.


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I actually know 2 people out of work because of this. The first is my friend who is Chinese translator for intelligence agencies in DC, the second is my Dad, a military contractor.

Yes, it sucks. It`s stupid what the Republicans are doing with a law that was passed. But I`m so surprised that Progressives are suddenly caring about Defense and Intelligence jobs.
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@ Djwajda:

[quote]Your beloved liberal congressmen and women are doing the exact same thing.[/quote]
Uhhhh... no, they aren`t. You see, Republican Ellmers voted for the "Defund Obamacare and we`ll let the gov`t stay open" extortion plan, which has resulted in 800K people being out of work. The liberal representatives you are trying to mock did not.

See the difference?
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vote her out...simples
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Your beloved liberal congressmen and women are doing the exact same thing.

I will not be donating or forgoing my salary

In other news about evil villain Ted Cruz...


donating salary to charity during shutdown

for being the bad guy that seems pretty good
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It`s interesting because at least half of that 800k is defense or intelligence related. These are the things that would (and probably should) get cut if the average Progressive has their ideal system.

But suddenly they care about the defense and intel jobs.
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@ McThstlpnts: LOL. Yes, she "misspoke."

Cue backpedaling SFX: *squeak squeak squeak squeak squeak*
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When are people going to realize that none of these rich c*cksucker congress mean personz don`t give a rats a$$ about you. They operate solely to enrich themselves and their cronies.
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Male 92
i hate humans... they always betray other humans..
be it in personal or political afairs...
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her face bends to the left
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"votes for guv shutdown"
misleading much?
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I really hope for a clean sweep in the 2014/16 elections.
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Link: Scumbag Congresswoman Renee Ellmers [Pic] [Rate Link] - I`d like to think careers are being ruined by this. Careers that haven`t been furloughed, that is.
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