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    jbwhite Male 18-29
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    October 30, 2013 at 5:09 pm
    Link: Satan Vs God, A Biblical Count Of Deaths - Satan is evil... That`s what our master tells us.
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    Jake_Justus Male 50-59
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    October 30, 2013 at 5:21 pm

    A Vampire in Brooklyn
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    paperduck Male 18-29
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    October 30, 2013 at 5:23 pm
    God killed everyone, including those attributed to Satan here, who ever lived and will kill everyone alive today. Except didn`t he raise a few people to heaven without them dying? So real score: God: everyone Satan: no one
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    October 30, 2013 at 5:55 pm
    Satan doesn`t kill, he tortures.
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    drawman61 Male 50-59
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    October 30, 2013 at 6:01 pm
    That`s before we even get into the people that kill in the name of God, Allah etc. And religion is about good?
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    October 30, 2013 at 6:15 pm
    Sin kills people, NOT God.
    Man introduced sin in the world and the wages of sin are death.

    Btw, Jesus paid the cost of our sins, thus saving everyone. Next time read the whole bible, not just the stuff you atheists want to create rhetoric from.
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    whodat6484 Male 30-39
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    October 30, 2013 at 6:22 pm
    "Sin kills people, NOT God."

    Wrong, your "God" is the one who kills people because they sin. Besides, he was the one who came up with these sins so he`s still guilty of killing all those people.

    But, in reality, there`s no such thing as "God" so a fictional character can`t really kill anyone to begin with.
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    747Pilot Male 18-29
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    October 30, 2013 at 6:36 pm
    good one CrakrJak. after all the wars we fought, all the contraptions we came up with to kill one another and win wars, from barbaric to scientific contraptions. Right to today where we have the power to end millions of lives in an instant. I tend to think people killed the most. It`s sad, actually...
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    October 30, 2013 at 6:42 pm

    Sounds about right. I can never tell if the Bible is a collection of fairy stories or horror stories.
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    WhoSaidWhat Male 30-39
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    October 30, 2013 at 7:27 pm
    CrakrJak, what about that schtick about how God is "a forgiving God"? How can you say in one sentence that God killed people for sinning (and don`t try to claim that he didn`t, its all in the Bible), then talk about how forgiving he is in the next? Thats the kind of utter crap that makes me Atheist.

    BTW, before you mention more about "reading the whole Bible", I used to be Christian. The more of the Bible I read and understood, the more I realized that its all total BS.
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    JDplaysFF Male 30-39
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    October 30, 2013 at 7:52 pm
    If God wrote the bible, would it really be possible for atheists to pick it apart? I`m no almighty figure, but if I were to create life and a supposed instruction manual for it, I`d make it foolproof.

    Or at least keep it updated. Sheesh, the bible has been in beta for ...a really long time.
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    Shelworth Male 50-59
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    October 30, 2013 at 8:06 pm
    Didn`t Job stay true to his God no mater what, and didn`t God bring Job`s family back from the dead? So Satan should be 0.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    October 30, 2013 at 8:14 pm
    So stupid, just... typical.

    @WhoDat: how many lives did "Satan" create? NONE?

    ALL life (according to those who believe this sort of thing) is created BY GOD.

    Question #2: Where would YOU rather spend eternity?
    - With God in Paradise?
    - Away from God in Hell?

    Death is simply a STEP in the evolution of the Soul. Y`all believe in evolution, right @WhoDat?

    @WhoSaidWhat: #1 Nice name! :-)
    #2 It`s called "free will". Look-it-up.

    @Shelworth: ALL LIFE comes from God.
    ALL DEATH comes from God.

    God created the Universe with both LIFE and DEATH. After Adam and Eve got kicked out of Eden and into this Universe? THAT is where we are now!

    WHY do atheists utterly FAIL to see the obvious? Death is -literally- no big deal!

    If... that is... you believe that sort of thing ;-)
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    October 30, 2013 at 8:17 pm
    It`s so typical that narrow-minded anti-religious people CLING DESPERATLY to complete NON-ISSUES to justify their hate.

    Sad. Pathetic even.

    Life & death are reality. Trying to "blame" the Dude who CREATED IT ALL is just stupid! He made it THAT WAY ON PURPOSE!

    At least I hope so ;_)

    So atheists? YOU have something better than Heaven waiting for us all after we die?
    Oblivion?
    That don`t sound like much fun...
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    AvatarJohn Male 30-39
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    October 30, 2013 at 8:20 pm
    Still doesn`t hold a candle to the Communists` 100,000,000+! Undisputed champions of evil!
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    Draculya Male 40-49
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    October 30, 2013 at 8:41 pm
    There is no Satan.
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    whodat6484 Male 30-39
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    October 30, 2013 at 8:51 pm
    "@WhoDat: how many lives did "Satan" create? NONE?"

    Correct, "God" is fictional and so is "Satan", fictional characters cannot create life

    "Question #2: Where would YOU rather spend eternity?
    - With God in Paradise?
    - Away from God in Hell?"

    Once again, neither exist. Therefore I, and every other living being on this planet, will spend "eternity" doing whatever the f*ck the energy released from our bodies after death does after we die.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    October 30, 2013 at 9:18 pm
    @WhoDat: That`s a very "Deistic" viewpoint about "the afterlife" eh? :-)
    How about soul evolution? (I`m guessing you don`t like that idea much...)

    And your "so called arguments" are MOOT! I clearly said, TWICE, that it`s for "those who believe this stuff" OK?
    For you to point out that YOU don`t believe it is simply NOT a factor! OK?

    You accuse ME of not reading properly? MOI? Sheesh. Mirror much?

    Hey Atheists! Go tell the -Muslims- Allah isn`t real! But include me in your wills first, eh? thx

    To Whom It May Concern:
    I hereby leave my pogo-stick to my BFF @5Cats...
    & etc.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    October 30, 2013 at 9:35 pm
    Whosaidwhat: "How can you say in one sentence that God killed people for sinning"

    I didn`t say that, Whodat and YOU are saying that.
    You`re both blaming God for sin, that`s a load of crap. Mankind is at fault for all the sin and death in the world. Do you blame your mother for giving birth to you to? Because that`s as absurd as your argument is.

    Quit blaming God for your faults, quit hating him for giving you the freewill to do good or bad for yourself and others.
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    whodat6484 Male 30-39
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    October 30, 2013 at 9:37 pm
    "That`s a very "Deistic" viewpoint about "the afterlife" eh?"

    No it isn`t, it`s a very scientific viewpoint of the afterlife. Energy cannot be created or destroyed, it can however be transferred or change form. That is called the conservation of energy.

    "I clearly said, TWICE, that it`s for "those who believe this stuff" OK?"

    You specifically asked me the questions, therefore my argument is not moot. If I didn`t answer the questions and just made fun of you you`d probably accuse me of ignoring your questions because I didn`t have an answer. You`re worse than a woman, always trying to get the last word in.
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    whodat6484 Male 30-39
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    October 30, 2013 at 9:44 pm
    "Quit blaming God for your faults, quit hating him for giving you the freewill to do good or bad for yourself and others."

    This is the part where all you silly little theists lose it. You say atheists "hate" your god and "blame" your god for sh*t but that`s impossible. How can I hate something or place blame on something I don`t believe exists?
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    October 30, 2013 at 10:06 pm
    Whodat: "How can I hate something or place blame on something I don`t believe exists?"

    By approving of stupid posts like this one. Then talking out both sides of your mouth with, "..your "God" is the one who kills people because they sin. Besides, he was the one who came up with these sins so he`s still guilty of killing all those people.", and then claiming he doesn`t exist.

    Do you still blame Santa Claus for not giving you what you wanted as a kid?

    If you honestly don`t believe in God, then quit saying stupid things about him. Otherwise your just trolling.
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    turdburglar Male 30-39
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    October 30, 2013 at 10:13 pm

    Your god is an egomaniac dead beat father of Jesus, the bastard child of rape. (that is 100% true).

    Nothing about this (or any major religion) makes any sense, but that doesn`t stop you fools from murdering and judging others in the name of a god who says you shouldn`t murder or judge others.

    HAHA! You religious nuts are soooo easy to piss off and even easier to destroy with logic! HAHAHA!



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    whodat6484 Male 30-39
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    October 30, 2013 at 10:22 pm
    "Do you still blame Santa Claus for not giving you what you wanted as a kid?"

    No, because like your "God", Santa Claus doesn`t exist.

    "If you honestly don`t believe in God, then quit saying stupid things about him. Otherwise your just trolling."

    I can say whatever I want about this or any subject whenever I want. If you don`t like it then too f*cking bad, that`s life. You babble on and on about an invisible sky wizard and you have the nerve to call me a troll? Hahaha, you crack me up!
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    October 30, 2013 at 10:23 pm
    Pooptart: The only "logical fallacy" is the atheist belief that God must follow the rules and restrictions of science. Since God is all powerful, science doesn`t limit him, nor does human`s limited understanding of time limit him.

    Just because we can`t understand how God works, that doesn`t refute his existence. Don`t feel bad about it though, an ant can`t understand what it`s like to be human either.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    October 30, 2013 at 10:32 pm
    turdburglar & whodat: Since you`ve both admitted your trolls. Please go back under your bridges and stay there.
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    whodat6484 Male 30-39
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    October 30, 2013 at 10:43 pm
    @CrakrJak - Not once have I ever admitted to being a troll. You`re just trying to limit my right to free speech because you don`t like what I have to say. You have bigger problems if your panties get in a bunch when I make fun of your invisible friend, go see a doctor.
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    Pooptart19 Male 18-29
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    October 30, 2013 at 10:46 pm
    From the video I suggested to Crakr, 5cats, etc. Matt Dillahunty asks the question and the caller answers.

    Did your god create hell?
    "Yes."

    Does your god create the rules of the universe including the criteria by which souls are judged?
    "Yes."

    Does anything happen that doesn`t go according to your gods will?
    "No."

    Then your god is ultimately responsible for everything, including the people who he sends to hell.

    This is logic 101 and, as Crakr pointed out, some people just don`t get it. God isn`t logical? EASY! God exists outside of space and time and is so great and awesome and cool that he doesn`t have to be logical or make any sort of sense to us because we`re just human!
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    Ozmose Male 30-39
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    October 31, 2013 at 12:57 am
    @CrakrJak

    We also don`t demand ants bow down and worship us.

    Voltair said it best.
    "I refuse to follow a god that creates an imperfect being, then proceeds to punish them for their imperfections."
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    djwajda Male 40-49
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    October 31, 2013 at 12:57 am
    These posts are as bad as the political posts. Funny though, everyone complains about them yet still jump in and argue and sling insults and whatnot.

    Bottom line is, atheist, christian, muslim, etc...

    You won`t know til you`re dead who`s right and it won`t matter at that point anyways.
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    spanerbulb Male 30-39
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    October 31, 2013 at 1:14 am
    Cracker, I don`t believe in god but I would be curious to know what a christian thinks of the idea that god, having immense powers outwith even human understanding, can allow all of the disgusting suffering that goes on in the world without any intervention at all. What do you think?
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    djwajda Male 40-49
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    October 31, 2013 at 1:26 am
    @spanerbulb

    I can`t speak for anyone here but I can definitely relate my own experiences to give at least one take on your question.

    I was never what you would call `deeply religious` but I`d always believed in god. I was raised to believe in the whole `god is merciful and loving` thing.

    So then flash forward to a point where I find out one child will have to endure 2 back surgeries a year from age 6 til whenever he stops growing. Add to that finding out my daughter will never speak or lead a so called `normal` life...ever.

    You begin to question a great many of the things you were taught. Personally I became angry at a lot of things and stayed that way for a long time.

    I no longer really know what to believe but I personally feel that if there`s a god he`s not as merciful and loving as they preach. That being said though I won`t belittle anyone who either believes or doesn`t. That`s their choice to make.
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    Nickel2 Male 50-59
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    October 31, 2013 at 2:50 am
    Every time this religious bollocks kicks off, I am reminded of one of the MIB films that ends in a game of marbles. (But I can`t remember which).
    I have no problem with anything anyone wants to believe or disbelieve, as long as they don`t try to foist it on me.
    I don`t believe in the rationality of a creator that has made everything, (good and bad). A supreme being that kills, trashes, rewards unequally and unfairly etc purely for his/her own amusement.
    Sounds like a lonely kid with no friends, playing with his/her toys on the bedroom floor, making it up as they go along:
    "Right, you`re my new creations! boom! you`re dead, injured, diseased, starved, haha! I can do what I like when I like and no-one can stop me! On your knees, fools! Beg for your lives".
    Nope. Not for me. I have seen space and the stars; there is no start and no end, my atoms will be recycled. In 100 thousand years some of my atoms will be part of a new being`s brain. (Or knob).
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    drawman61 Male 50-59
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    October 31, 2013 at 3:25 am
    I`m always reminded of Eduard Delicroix in The Green Mile. To ease his pain and suffering before execution he is told Mr Jingles will go live in Mouse City. A beautiful place where mice can live any way they want and have endless pleasures with no suffering. We, the viewer, smile at the naivety of Delicroix. Doesn`t this sound a little bit familiar?
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    3002-3038 Female 18-29
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    October 31, 2013 at 3:56 am
    Here`s a good question, if god didn`t want adam to commit the ancestral sin, why did he create the opportunity for him to sin? free will? are we not able to have free will without sin existing in the world? that doesn`t make sense, god is all powerful, he exists outside of logic he should be able to create a world with free will and without sin shouldn`t he? He`s all powerful isn`t he? second of all god created us(in his image)so then why did we sin? god is perfect afterall you`d think he`d be able to create a human that wouldn`t sin, unless he`s purposely pumping out flawed humans, and then blaming us for it. oh yeah that sounds like a loving god to me.

    And speaking of love, if he truly loved us so much why didn`t he just snap his fingers an make the sin go away? because we need or learn our lesson? what lesson? that instead of using the free will god gave us, we should shut up and do as we`re told? Yeah, I can tell god is a great teacher as well..
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    October 31, 2013 at 5:16 am
    "We also don`t demand ants bow down and worship us."

    We did not create ants.........

    Wait a second. Let me make it more IAB friendly.

    We did not create the scenario for ants to evolve into what they are today, therefore of course we don`t demand they bow down and worship us.
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    BoredFrank Male 40-49
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    October 31, 2013 at 6:17 am
    This entire argument is akin to comparing the death tolls of Batman and Howard the Duck.

    Since neither entity exists, the discussion is moot.
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    patchouly Male 40-49
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    October 31, 2013 at 6:35 am
    The God of the Bible is an evil, terrible creature full of hatred and vengeful jealousy. Burning, gutting children, killing those who do not do his bidding. Condemning those he created to an eternity of burning in Hell for trivial things. He is the ultimate evil dictator filled with so much disregard for the humans he supposedly created, that it`s sickening. He is the epitome of everything that is wrong with society. Also, he loves you. That feeling in your chest when you do something good? That`s God!
    It`s no wonder Christians are so messed up.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    October 31, 2013 at 7:00 am
    Pooptart: "...he doesn`t have to be logical or make any sort of sense to us because we`re just human"

    God has his own logic and ours doesn`t effect his. He gave us freewill, the freedom to create or destroy (within limits), to do good or bad. Would you rather we be automatons? Freewill means that WE are responsible for ourselves. Continuing to blame God is just a childish view of life.

    Ozmose: God made us perfect originally. We are the ones that screwed that perfection up, not him.

    Spanner: "god, having immense powers outwith even human understanding.."

    God has a much greater then "human understanding", He not only knows us, he`s known us before we were ever born.

    "...can allow all of the disgusting suffering"

    He`s not responsible for our suffering WE ARE. If there were no sin, there would be no suffering.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    October 31, 2013 at 7:14 am
    patchouly: "The God of the Bible is an evil, terrible creature full of hatred and vengeful jealousy."

    Bullsh|t! He loves us so much he sent his only son, Jesus, to sacrifice himself for us to pay for OUR sins and evils. No hateful, vengeful, jealous person would do such a thing.

    You atheists have to continue with this false narrative of an "evil" God, blaming him for everything wrong with the world, otherwise your belief system fails.

    Your atheist views of the universe are far more cruel and empty, devoid of love and hope. You have no answers for mankind`s consciousness or purpose, no solace, no understanding of the human soul. That`s what makes you bitter, pitiful people.
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    papajon0s1 Male 40-49
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    October 31, 2013 at 7:15 am
    You do yourself a great disservice by interpreting the Bible solely as a factual history book. Also, if you don`t believe in God that`s fine, I still pray for you quite often so there.
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    Musuko42 Male 18-29
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    October 31, 2013 at 8:00 am
    @5Cats

    "So atheists? YOU have something better than Heaven waiting for us all after we die?
    Oblivion?
    That don`t sound like much fun..."

    You, me, and every other human that`s ever existed spent billions of years there before they were born.

    And none of us seem particularly traumatised by it. It can`t be that bad.
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    Musuko42 Male 18-29
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    October 31, 2013 at 8:04 am
    @CrakrJak

    "the atheist belief that God must follow the rules and restrictions of science."

    Science doesn`t impose the restrictions. Nature imposes the restrictions. Science is just a method we use to find out about nature.

    Blaming science for the restrictions nature imposes is shooting the messenger.
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    Musuko42 Male 18-29
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    October 31, 2013 at 8:08 am
    @CrakrJak

    "God made us perfect originally. We are the ones that screwed that perfection up, not him."

    When you can provide some evidence that human misbehavior is responsible for destructive, killer hurricanes existing, then we`ll give your proposal some thought.

    Honestly, CrakrJak...you`ll believe that kind of thing without direct evidence, but evolution? Ooooh no, THAT you demand proof for.

    You`re such a bucket of double standards.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    October 31, 2013 at 8:31 am
    @pooptart: It`s NOT "logic" if it`s based on false or INCOMPLETE facts! Sheesh! Unless you claim atheists know MORE about God than theists... even then? It`s based on GUESSWORK, not "Logic 101".

    @turdy: It wasn`t rape, quit trolling.

    We also don`t demand ants bow down and worship us.
    Speak for yourself, @Ozmose! ;-)
    Your Voltair quote is the backbone of Deism :-) Well, one of our best arguments, eh?

    @BoredFrank: Howard the Duck = Real! :-o Lolz, are you thinking of the movie or the excellent comic book?

    @Musuko42: But the majority of previous humans believed in SOME sort of afterlife... majority rules? ;-)
    Since we humans have been sentient? The afterlife has been a big question! MOST humans alive believe in some continuation after death. Not atheists...? Or do they?

    According to theory: God created scientific laws. God created nature. If it exists? He made/planned it.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    October 31, 2013 at 8:40 am
    God made us perfect originally. We are the ones that screwed that perfection up, not him.

    Well @CrakrJak: I totally DIS-agree with that! He made us IM-perfect, we are indeed flawed BY DESIGN! Otherwise WE would be GOD too! Is God capable of mistakes? Is He capable of sin? idk! And neither does anyone else.

    That`s why I reject the notion of "burning hell" or "reincarnation as punishment" (stupid Buddhists!). Of course being "apart from God" is a form of hell to, or so they say...

    @WhoDat: If (I say: IF) a soul exists? Then it could continue to exists despite the `death` of the physical body, yes?
    Again: it`s not ALL `cut and dried`: there`s more science YET TO BE discovered! What was mythology 200 years ago is FACT today. Well, some of it is...
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    Denogginizer Male 30-39
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    October 31, 2013 at 10:46 am
    Oh, ANOTHER anti religion thread. I guess the athiests were sitting around and realized they hadn`t been outraged at anything in the last hour and needed to mock something they don`t understand. What`s funny is, you think these threads actually anger the religious people. They don`t. We`re accustomed to your bile and just shake our heads, knowing that, in the end, it`ll get figured out. So shake your tiny fists and laugh at people that think differently from you (cuz you`re the tolerant, open-minded, educated left).
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    whodat6484 Male 30-39
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    October 31, 2013 at 11:01 am
    @Denogginizer - If it didn`t anger you then you`d ignore it.
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    Pooptart19 Male 18-29
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    October 31, 2013 at 11:32 am
    God has his own logic and ours doesn`t effect his. He gave us freewill, the freedom to create or destroy (within limits), to do good or bad. Would you rather we be automatons? Freewill means that WE are responsible for ourselves. Continuing to blame God is just a childish view of life.

    Crakr, you can`t have an all-powerful, all-knowing god AND have free will. Sorry. The two are incompatible. Either everything happens according to your god`s will, or he`s not all-powerful and not all-knowing. God doesn`t create something and then it goes wrong. HE`S GOD. But even IF your god was real, created Lucifer, knows Lucifer is causing all kinds of awful sh*t, has the power to get rid of him lickity split, and DOESN`T, then he is an ass. These are the basics of logic your sh*t for brains can`t comprehend it.
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    Nickel2 Male 50-59
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    October 31, 2013 at 11:54 am
    A scenario:
    You die, you go to heaven. Once there, you sit down to a nice hot mug of ambrosia in the works canteen. You have a scan round, see if you know anyone. Over in the corner you see hitler playing cards with idi amin and bokassa:
    "Oi! You two`s supposed to be in hell!"
    "Not us matey, we both repented at the last minute"
    Thinks *Bugger, a whole lifetime`s fun wasted*
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    spanerbulb Male 30-39
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    October 31, 2013 at 12:40 pm
    Cracker

    Now I happen to be an atheist, I wouldn`t say I`m bitter, I have an optimistic view on life, love and am loved, respect my fellow man regardless of race colour or creed. The universe is a fantastic, amazing and mind blowing place, god or no god. I guess ultimately it seems to be down to an individuals mindset, some can accept the godless universe, be fulfilled and happy, but some need that comfort that a concept of god seems to bring. I guess I could generalize and say that religious folks are dumb, creationists for example who ignore the extremely compelling evidence of evolution, but really what would that achieve? As long as we have a truly secular society (which we don`t quite have yet) there really isn`t any problem if people want to believe in god or not.
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    spanerbulb Male 30-39
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    October 31, 2013 at 12:47 pm
    Denogginizer

    You have just excavated any high ground you may have think you had with that comment. One thing I have time and time again experienced first hand it the arrogance of some religious individuals, which you demonstrate so well in thinking that they are completely right. How about a little open mindedness on both sides.
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    Kalimata Male 30-39
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    October 31, 2013 at 12:54 pm
    "...`Question #2: Where would YOU rather spend eternity?
    - With God in Paradise?
    - Away from God in Hell?`..."

    Well, since there is no sin in heaven, and hell is rife with sin, no contest. Everything in this life that is fun, enjoyable and worth while falls into one of the categories of the 7 deadly sins. So if none of this stuff is in heaven, why the hell would you want to go there? No lounging around on the couch all day stuffing your face with snacks. No lust? seriously, you want that? Greed is the only reason humanity has advanced anywhere, and wrath is a well needed and well used evolutionary trait.


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    5Cats Male 50-59
    32785 posts
    October 31, 2013 at 3:06 pm
    @Kalimata: You prefer "lust" over "love"? Strange...

    I personally don`t believe in "hellfire-type hell" with Brimstone and lakes of fire & stuff. But I think Heaven is a much "more likely" place to exist.

    Who knows? No one! We will find out when we get there... or not! (If we just cease to exist, eh?)
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    October 31, 2013 at 4:04 pm
    Pooptart: "you can`t have an all-powerful, all-knowing god AND have free will. Sorry. The two are incompatible."

    It`s not about what I want or can have. We have limited intellect, God has infinite intellect and power. Just because you can`t wrap your head around it, saying they`re "incompatible", doesn`t mean that`s limiting God. God has made the "impossible" possible before.

    spannerbulb: "...there really isn`t any problem if people want to believe in god or not."

    Would you please emphasize that to your atheist colleagues? Because they continue to treat Christians with contempt and condescension, for our beliefs.

    Musuko: "Science doesn`t impose the restrictions. Nature imposes the restrictions."

    Nope, God imposes the restrictions of what we call "Science" and "Nature", on us. He exists outside such concepts.
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    Pooptart19 Male 18-29
    2441 posts
    October 31, 2013 at 5:07 pm
    It`s not about what I want or can have. We have limited intellect, God has infinite intellect and power. Just because you can`t wrap your head around it, saying they`re "incompatible", doesn`t mean that`s limiting God. God has made the "impossible" possible before.


    Forget it, Crakr. There is no hope for you. Try not to drown in your soup.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    32785 posts
    October 31, 2013 at 10:19 pm
    @pooptart: If you cannot tell the difference between:

    #1 What Humans think of God
    #2 Actual God

    Then you really should stay in the "shallow end" of the intellectual pool... k?

    "The Map Is Not The Terrain" = Wise Saying!

    What we humans "imagine" God to be? And what God (the all-creator) actually IS? TWO entirely different things! I`d bet the farm on it.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17514 posts
    November 1, 2013 at 12:18 am
    Pooptart: "There is no hope for you. Try not to drown in your soup."

    You see, that`s just the sort of condescension and pettiness I was talking about earlier. We are learning that there are a lot of unknown things about the universe, strange matter, dark matter, 11 string theory dimensions and that`s just the tip of the iceberg of what WE DO NOT KNOW.

    Your problem is that you believe God is limited, that if he exists it must be inside the box we call "science" or "nature". I simply have a larger view of God, and a more imaginative one. My belief doesn`t make me, or anyone else, stupid.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
    14268 posts
    November 1, 2013 at 7:59 am
    It`s no wonder Christians are so messed up.

    LOL ever take a look over to the Middle East? It could be worse. Why is it Atheist preachers constantly jab at Christian and never go after the worst offenders....
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    November 1, 2013 at 8:09 am
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
    5812 posts
    November 1, 2013 at 9:27 am
    God has his own logic and ours doesn`t effect his.
    Special pleading. Looks like you threw in a god of the gaps to boot. You might believe your God is outside the laws of the universe, but that`s intellectually dishonest, since it is a big leap going from "We don`t understand" to "God did it." Might a god exist? Possibly. Might the Christian God exist? Definitely not. That definition of a being is inconsistent and the impossible is always impossible, unless you`re saying your God could make 2 + 2 = 5 and = 4 simultaneously.

    But I think Heaven is a much "more likely" place to exist.
    What is your evidence for it being more likely? Or is it just that you find the notion of heaven more palatable?

    Why is it Atheist preachers constantly jab at Christian and never go after the worst offenders....
    Dawkins has, but you`re forgetting that most users here are Western, and Christianity is dom
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
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    November 1, 2013 at 9:27 am
    ...dominant in Western cultures.
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    pazerlenis Male 40-49
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    November 1, 2013 at 9:42 am
    I wonder what the Bible would look like if the people of IAB wrote it?


    I`d pay real money to see that happen.
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
    5812 posts
    November 1, 2013 at 10:10 am
    I wonder what the Bible would look like if the people of IAB wrote it?
    Your male and female slaves (hereto referred as Chads) are to come from the websites around you; from them you may buy Chads. You may also buy some of the temporary lurkers living among you and members of their clans registered in your domain, and they will become your property. You can bequeath them to Fancy as inherited property and can make them Chads for life, but you must not rule over your fellow I-A-Bers ruthlessly.

    Do you accept the terms of this agreement? Y/N
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    pazerlenis Male 40-49
    1380 posts
    November 1, 2013 at 10:14 am
    @patchgrabber, LOL

    So says the Book of Patchgrabber 14:3
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    spanerbulb Male 30-39
    1244 posts
    November 1, 2013 at 3:10 pm
    I think we really need to separate god from religion here, religion can and has been used to allow people to do incredibly nasty things to each other, belief in a god is rather benign. The concept of a god isn`t really that crazy, it`s the other stuff that surrounds it that can be the problem. The two things don`t have to go hand in hand.

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