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    5Cats Male 50-59
    31766 posts
    October 29, 2013 at 10:21 am
    Link: Obama: The Know-Nothing President? - Why is he the last to know when things go wrong? Or he learns about it `from the press` as he`s claimed?
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
    15844 posts
    October 29, 2013 at 10:40 am
    Out president is Sgt. Schultz.
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    CreamK Male 40-49
    1423 posts
    October 29, 2013 at 10:54 am
    Most likely it is because the real power has long since shifted away from POTUS...
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    bliznik Male 30-39
    786 posts
    October 29, 2013 at 11:15 am
    Yah, that`s unfortunately the rule with presidents nowadays. Gov`t has gotten so big that they really don`t know anything unless a staffer runs towards them with a memo. They`ve all become figureheads of their political party.
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    elkingo Male 30-39
    5385 posts
    October 29, 2013 at 11:29 am
    Meh. This isn`t news or anything surprising. I can`t wait to see the liberal arguments though. I bet with 95% confidence that the main attack will be on 5Cats.
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    whodat6484 Male 30-39
    3907 posts
    October 29, 2013 at 11:36 am
    Two Words: Plausible Deniability
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    patchouly Male 40-49
    4746 posts
    October 29, 2013 at 11:47 am
    LOL! The last line "Can we really trust a leader who is so utterly clueless about what`s happening right under his nose?", could just easily have been written about Bush. You righties aren`t really forgetting the bumbling disaster that was President Bush, are you? Or is forgetting a common Republican trait?
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
    14273 posts
    October 29, 2013 at 11:53 am
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
    10722 posts
    October 29, 2013 at 12:14 pm
    @whodat
    From your source 6 MAJOR flaws:

    -It was an open door to the abuse of authority; it required that the parties in question could be said to have acted independently, which in the end was tantamount to giving them license to act independently.
    -It rarely worked when invoked; the denials made were rarely plausible and were generally seen through by both the media and the populace.
    -One aspect of the Watergate crisis is the repeated failure of the doctrine of plausible deniability, which the administration repeatedly attempted to use to stop the scandal affecting President Richard Nixon and his aides.
    "Plausible denial" only increases the risk of misunderstanding between senior officials and their employees.
    -It only shifts blame, and generally, constructs rather little.
    -If the claim fails, it seriously discredits the political figure invoking it as a defense.
    -If it succeeds, it creates the impression that the government is not in con
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    October 29, 2013 at 12:18 pm
    (continued...)
    -If it succeeds, it creates the impression that the government is not in control of the state.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
    10722 posts
    October 29, 2013 at 12:21 pm
    @patchouly

    As much as I`d like to deride Bush, he is NO LONGER in power. Obama is, and so far he has all been too complicit in being ignorant in what his own executive branch is doing.
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    whodat6484 Male 30-39
    3907 posts
    October 29, 2013 at 12:49 pm
    @Cajun247 - There are pro`s & con`s to everything but that doesn`t mean it`s not happening more often than you think. For every operation we learn about through leaks and/or whistle-blowers there are countless more going on that we`ll most likely never learn about. It happens all the time, I`ve even witnessed it in things people would consider trivial like hazing in the military.

    It`s also used right out in the open, the Private Military Contractors used in Iraq is a perfect example of that. Their activity is virtually immune to US Federal & Military Law as well as international treaties.
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    Grendel Male 40-49
    5874 posts
    October 29, 2013 at 12:56 pm
    bliznik-"Gov`t has gotten so big that they really don`t know anything unless a staffer runs towards them with a memo."

    Sooooo, you`re saying you BELIEVE him when he says `I didn`t know`?



    patchouly-"could just easily have been written about Bush"

    Bush has not been President for 7 years now. It`s time for you to get over your Bush Derangement Syndrome.

    But, I realize that`s pretty much your entire defense. Someone points out Obama`s shortcomings, your kneejerk reaction is `Look! Bush!`.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    31766 posts
    October 29, 2013 at 1:06 pm
    @OldOllie & @McGovern: LOLZ! YES! I even mentioned the good Sergeant in my notes for this offering.

    @CreamK: That`s a possible explanation... BUT! When things go well? Obama is the FIRST to claim credit! It was HIS IDEA all the way!

    @elkingo: So far so good! 2 arguments and both were about the topic :-)

    @WhoDat: When Reagan didn`t remember what happened years before? He was CRUCIFIED by the Democrats and the MSM. Obama DOESN`T KNOW what his #1 project is doing? Even if those involve make FREQUENT visits to the White House?

    Incomprehensible

    His TOP people are screwing up, and he "reads about it in the newspapers"??? WTF? He`s the PotUSA!! It`s his J-O-B to know!

    BTW: He`s lying each and every time he claims this "I didn`t know" crap.
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
    15844 posts
    October 29, 2013 at 1:07 pm
    Apparently, Obama is the Sgt. Schultz president.

    "I know NOTHING!"
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    whodat6484 Male 30-39
    3907 posts
    October 29, 2013 at 1:08 pm
    "When things go well? Obama is the FIRST to claim credit! It was HIS IDEA all the way!"

    I think you meant to say, "When things go well? EVERY PRESIDENT is the FIRST to claim credit! It was HIS IDEA all the way!"
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    31766 posts
    October 29, 2013 at 1:14 pm
    @Patchouly: What, specifically, did "Bush Not Know"?
    - That terrorists were plotting during Clinton`s term?
    - That reports from the CIA and British weren`t 100% correct?
    WHAT. EXACTLY?

    @WhoDat: Again I remind you:
    Clinton: Used no-bid contractors in Serbia
    Bush: Same, in both wars
    Obama: Continues to use them.
    Obama: NO-BID AWARD for the $500,000,000 Obamacare Site. Which he KNOWS NOTHING ABOUT it seems...

    Ps: "Let me be perfectly clear..." - BHO

    Obama has used this line: `I read about it...` several times.

    Those involved in these scandals have also used it: and Obama is perfectly FINE with that! They still keep their jobs!!
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    whodat6484 Male 30-39
    3907 posts
    October 29, 2013 at 1:25 pm
    @5Cats - No sh*t, that`s exactly what I`m pointing out. None of what is going on is unique to the Obama Administration, it always has & always will be common practice for ALL Presidential Administrations. The only difference is which political party will be b*tching about what the other is doing.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    31766 posts
    October 29, 2013 at 1:32 pm
    @WhoDat: The differences are:
    >The MSM Crucifies ONE party, licks balls of the other.
    >Bush FIRED people who screwed up, Obama SUPPORTS them! Over and over again!

    And most importantly:
    Obama deliberately & repeatedly, lies.
    They KNEW About Loss of coverage

    Here`s Some Analysis of that

    And even more:
    White House & NSA Top Brass KNEW and approved
    So says the uber-right wing... LA TIMES???

    Even
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    31766 posts
    October 29, 2013 at 1:36 pm
    Even the MSM is starting to see the truth!

    In scandal after scandal? Obama and his "top people" lie their faces off. Even when they`re caught? Nothing happens!

    It was anger over a video.

    There`s SO MANY LIES it`s... incomprehensible! ;-)

    The "Buck Stops" in the Oval Office: if he didn`t know? He should resign.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
    10722 posts
    October 29, 2013 at 1:45 pm
    For every operation we learn about through leaks and/or whistle-blowers there are countless more going on that we`ll most likely never learn about.

    Yet people who reveal things in this manner too often get crucified by the public, and then are subjected to a Federal investigation. All for holding the Federal government accountable, for its own misdeeds. It is an utterly unacceptable inversion whole notion of accountability. Caesar CAN and DOES wrong, you should not attack the messenger.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17515 posts
    October 29, 2013 at 1:56 pm
    He know everything, denies it all. His staff, Harry Reid and the rest of the democrat bureaucrats that do his work for him, think they give him "plausible deniability". Problem is his deniability isn`t plausible, too many lame excuses, too many people thrown under the bus, too many forced secrecy agreements, too many leakers/whistleblowers being prosecuted, too little "transparency" and waaaaay too much Bullsh|t!
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    Runemang Male 30-39
    2676 posts
    October 29, 2013 at 3:39 pm
    I`m pretty sure the CEO of the company I work for doesn`t know one bit of dick as to what happens anywhere in any of the company`s locations.

    Just sayin`.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    31766 posts
    October 29, 2013 at 3:51 pm
    I just saw (on BBC) a Democrat in a Inquiry session claim that "17 million CHILDREN with pre-existing conditions were denied coverage" before ObamaCare.
    Is he pulling this number out of his arse?

    The Dems and the MSM are still doing cartwheels to keep from admitting that Obama was wrong! When he said, HUNDERDS of times, Americans can keep their current policies. HE KNEW (or should have been told) this was false. Their own numbers said 5-9 millions would LOSE their current policies; in 2010 they knew this.

    When Obama said "just phone or visit in person" he LIED! He HAD TO KNOW that those systems were the exact same as the main website, which DID NOT WORK, and won`t for WEEKS!

    It was not an "off the cuff remark" nor was it "taken out of context". It was in front of "success stories" which themselves were... lies. And THAT is from the White House`s own dispatches.
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    pazerlenis Male 40-49
    1380 posts
    October 29, 2013 at 3:51 pm
    Here is a good test to find out if you are biased.

    If you are outraged by this spying scandal, but feel it was justified under the Bush administration, then you are a conservative patsy.

    You are a Liberal patsy if you think this time its justifiable but you were raging about how evil water-boarding was back in the day.

    So many patsies on this site. So many patsies.
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    turdburglar Male 30-39
    4710 posts
    October 29, 2013 at 3:58 pm

    It`s none of your business Canadian.
    As if anyone gives a half a s#it about your political views.

    Screw the mod who approves this garbage.
    (unless it was kitteh, because I could never stay mad at her).

    Try to keep the politics out of IAB (especially 5cat-politics)

    Why have a rating system when you keep approving garbage no one likes?

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    5Cats Male 50-59
    31766 posts
    October 29, 2013 at 3:59 pm
    @Runemang: If that CEO did find out his employees were:
    -breaking laws
    -screwing up $500,000,000 projects
    -violating the US Constitution

    He`d do something other than say "I didn`t know" and then DEFEND the wrong-doers! Or even promote them!

    ObamaCare is his "pet project"! He did indeed get elected on it in 2008. It is inconceivable that "the most hands-on PotUS" just ignored the whole thing... while making elaborate claims on it`s form and function!

    It`s lose-lose for him: and it`s entirely HIS fault either way.
    He did know, but lied?
    He did NOT know, but claimed he did.

    Do he and his staff (who HE appointed) REALLY have NO IDEA what`s going on? On a DOZEN or more scandals? Really?
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    31766 posts
    October 29, 2013 at 4:06 pm
    @panzerlenis: AHA! I am NOT outraged by this (latest) scandal AT ALL!

    It`s a complete NON-ISSUE!

    Spys spy! They spy on everyone! And their spys spy too! For the Europeans to get all "uppity" about it is pure showmanship.

    HOWEVER: D. Feinstein claiming SHE didn`t know ANYTHING about it? She`s IN CHARGE of it! It`s HER PORTFOLIO!
    THAT is outrageous.

    It`s typical of Democrats and Obama`s people: deny until proven guilty, then blame the Republicans.

    The MSM have, until lately, done all they can to help them lie. Recent attacks on news-persons BY the Obama Administration seem to have "rattled their cage" eh?

    @turdy: After careful consideration of your suggestion?
    No.
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    pazerlenis Male 40-49
    1380 posts
    October 29, 2013 at 4:30 pm
    @5cats, first you say, "AHA! I am NOT outraged by this (latest) scandal AT ALL!"

    Then you say (in the exact same post I might add), "HOWEVER: D. Feinstein claiming SHE didn`t know ANYTHING about it? She`s IN CHARGE of it! It`s HER PORTFOLIO! THAT is outrageous."

    You see that part where you said, "NOT outraged" but later said, "THAT is outrageous"? Yeah, that`s exactly what I`m talking about you patsy. Thanks for making it so easy for me to prove my point. :)
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    elkingo Male 30-39
    5385 posts
    October 29, 2013 at 4:48 pm
    elkingo, "I can`t wait to see the liberal arguments though. I bet with 95% confidence that the main attack will be on 5Cats."

    turdburglar, "It`s none of your business Canadian.
    As if anyone gives a half a s#it about your political views.

    Screw the mod who approves this garbage."

    Damn. Did I not call that one?

    turdburglar, "Why have a rating system when you keep approving garbage no one likes?"

    This one is rated 2.5 asshat.
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    turdburglar Male 30-39
    4710 posts
    October 29, 2013 at 5:19 pm

    elkingo - Piss off, you fat prick. Fatty fatty fatty fat fat prick.

    Suck 5cats D all you want, but what you said changes nothing. A fat bastard like you thinks I disagree with his political view, which isn`t the case. I actually agree with his hatred for obama. I KNOW FOR A FACT that the vast MAJORITY of IABers don`t like these posts. 2.5 (and droping) is a bad raiting. Although it is much higher than most of his posts which consistently rate below 2.

    Did I mention you`re a lard ass?

    4 maybe 5 people like this constant barrage of political garbage.

    5cats knows it, but still submits this crap.
    The mods know it is low rated, but still post it because the vocal minority of unemployed loosers want to argue.

    Don`t bother talking to me fatty. Your fat ass is physical proof that your mouth refuses to shut when stupidity is involved.
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    flying_ltj Male 18-29
    340 posts
    October 29, 2013 at 5:19 pm
    How did I know political propaganda trash was posted by 5cats just by the title?

    Because 1note is a 1note... 1track mind, 1track life, 1dimensional view of the world.

    Name 1other IAB poster who comes on here and posts near daily political propaganda for any political ideology other than yourself.

    Bonus point if it`s a IAB poster who posts supporting the political ideologies of a foreign nation.
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    turdburglar Male 30-39
    4710 posts
    October 29, 2013 at 5:22 pm

    BTW - Gluttony is a sin.
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    flying_ltj Male 18-29
    340 posts
    October 29, 2013 at 5:26 pm
    BTW IAB mods... I havent clicked on a single banner ad in weeks.

    Reason? Because IAB keeps supporting 5cats.

    Its not because of his political ideology... Its because of the nonstop political propaganda.

    Propaganda is disgusting no matter what political affliation it comes from.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    31766 posts
    October 29, 2013 at 5:37 pm
    @panzerlenis: You cannot tell the difference between:
    A Scandal: Spying on Europeans
    and
    A Coverup: Oh, I didn`t KNOW about it!

    They are two entirely different things. If YOU were specifically referring to D.FeinStein`s denial? (OR Obama`s) YOU should have been more specific in WHICH scandal you were referring to. eh?

    Remember Nixon? His "secret tape recordings" weren`t really THAT big an issue. His use of the Office Of The PotUS to cover them up & telling lies about it? THAT was what (rightfully!) caused his impeachment.
    Tape Scandal = `meh`
    Tape Coverup = HUGE!

    @Trudy: I`ve answered your question; now be quiet. Good boy.

    @flying_troll: So you USE the site, but REFUSE to support it because of the political opinion of other members? Typical.

    Claims it`s not political, then SAYS it`s political. Typical.
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    turdburglar Male 30-39
    4710 posts
    October 29, 2013 at 5:56 pm

    5cats - you have never directly answered any question I have asked. You pick and choose little tid-bits of things I have said and answered absurd responses.

    You are sick. You need mental help. You know it`s true. Please find yourself some help, seriously.
    That wasn`t a joke. You would be a happier (and possibly productive) person if you could learn to forget about things you can`t change, and quite frankly, things that are none of your business. I feel sad for you. You have my pity, you sad sad man.

    Untill then, can you please leave the rest of us "normal people" alone.

    Most of us come here for entertainment, not to argue about American politics.....with a canadian...or anyone.

    From IAB: This site is founded on the theory that people will get so incredibilly bored as to type things like "I`m Bored" into their search engines just to see what happens.

    If people want politics, they have other places
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    elkingo Male 30-39
    5385 posts
    October 29, 2013 at 6:10 pm
    "Piss off, you fat prick."

    Gee, with such an articulate and well formulated pontification of an argument, how could I ever respond with an adequate rebuttal?

    Why don`t you go outside and play hide and go f*ck yourself?
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    flying_ltj Male 18-29
    340 posts
    October 29, 2013 at 7:40 pm
    @1note

    No money for a site that supports spreading 1sided bias, 1sided views, 1sided propaganda, 1sided beliefs, etc.

    Its a peaceful and effective way to initiate change.

    You of all people should support "Change" with how obsessed with the current president of a foreign nation you are :)
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    elkingo Male 30-39
    5385 posts
    October 29, 2013 at 8:23 pm
    "1sided bias, 1sided views, 1sided propaganda, 1sided beliefs, etc"

    That would be called selection bias, because i would equally argue in the past this site has leaned liberal/atheist. However, a detailed analysis might reveal there is no such bias. For every "conservative" post you show me, I could just as easily show you 2-3 liberal ones.

    However, given the length of time this site has been around, you could do the same for me.

    It is an easier argument to make that this site promotes making fun of the Christian faith. But that is neither here nor now. If you turn the television on, you will find even the news is starting to loose it`s hardon for Obama. This post is relevant and on topic. Try and do the same, or move along please.
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    patchouly Male 40-49
    4746 posts
    October 29, 2013 at 8:24 pm
    MeGrendel:
    "But, I realize that`s pretty much your entire defense. Someone points out Obama`s shortcomings, your kneejerk reaction is `Look! Bush!`."
    ----
    Have you even read any of my other posts?
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    31766 posts
    October 29, 2013 at 8:52 pm
    leave the rest of us "normal people" alone.

    @turdy: You qualify as "normal"? YOU?

    @flying_troll: We`ve all seen what "Hope & Change" has done TO America. It`s time to change the changes!

    Its a peaceful and effective way to initiate change.

    It`s passive-aggressive and self-serving, actually.

    You honestly IMAGINE that @FancyLad will prohibit other posters from suggesting or commenting because YOU DON`T LIKE THEIR POLITICAL OPINIONS??

    It`s also delusional, in that case.

    Going back to ignoring you, dude. @turdgasm too.
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    Grendel Male 40-49
    5874 posts
    October 29, 2013 at 9:32 pm
    Runemang-" pretty sure the CEO of the company I work for doesn`t know one bit of dick as to what happens anywhere in any of the company`s locations."

    But, let`s say your CEO (let`s call him `Carl`), came up with a brilliant plan (or at least he thought it was). And that plan he campaigned on for years, and bullied and bribed his way to getting his way.

    And the major part of the plan was a computerized operating system, which he decided to call `Carl-OS`. He hires the `best` people (well, the best his wife went to school with) to design it, and spend $600 million dollars of it (which is coming out of your retirement).

    Don`t you think he`d try to keep up to date on how it was going and if it was going to work?

    (If you`re a Obama supporter, we can already discount your answer).
  43. Profile photo of Musuko42
    Musuko42 Male 18-29
    2850 posts
    October 30, 2013 at 4:50 am
    @elkingo

    "because i would equally argue in the past this site has leaned liberal/atheist"

    If it does lean that way (and I imagine it might well do), then that`s a good reason not to keep having these 5Cats political posts. It`s an entertainment site. If the audience is mostly liberal and atheist, then having Christian and conservative posts are unlikely to be entertaining to that audience.

    We`re not here to have our political and religious views challenged. We`re here because we`re bored and want to be a little less bored. Sometimes, yes, that is accomplished by a little political debate. I know that`s true for me. But not always. And not continuously. And not over and over and over again.

    This is not specifically targetted against 5Cats. I quite like him, sometimes. This complaint would equally be made if someone was posting My Little Pony posts every single day.
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    Musuko42 Male 18-29
    2850 posts
    October 30, 2013 at 4:54 am
    @MeGrendel

    "Don`t you think he`d try to keep up to date on how it was going and if it was going to work?"

    Maybe, maybe not. I wouldn`t know, because I`m not a CEO (or a president), nor do I know the first thing about how to be one. If I did...I might perhaps know how to become one.

    Perhaps that stuff gets delegated. Perhaps it`s normal for a CEO to set something in motion and then deligate responsibility of making it happen to someone. Who knows.

    The real question is: do you know the standards by which a CEO/president is meant to operate, before you criticised someone for not meeting those standards?

    "(If you`re a Obama supporter, we can already discount your answer)"

    I don`t support any of your politicans (they all seem like lunatics compared to ours...and that`s saying something, as ours aren`t exactly sane either), so I hope you don`t discount my answer.
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    richanddead Male 18-29
    3318 posts
    October 30, 2013 at 5:10 am
    Hmmm, seems I`m the outlier again, but I really enjoy the political posts, both liberal and conservative posts, rhetoric and unbiased. If one does not wish to look at a post they can always just not look at it, it`s very simple. But I suspect the argument is part of the entertainment.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17515 posts
    October 30, 2013 at 6:49 am
    Turd: "elkingo - Piss off, you fat prick. Fatty fatty fatty fat fat prick...Suck 5cats D all you want..."

    That right there is grounds for a ban hammer.

    "You are sick. You need mental help..."

    Says the person that is constantly cussing, name calling and has obvious anger issues. Seriously look in the mirror, when you type crap like that, be introspective, because you sound like you`re about to run off the rails man.
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    Grendel Male 40-49
    5874 posts
    October 30, 2013 at 6:51 am
    Musuko42-"If the audience is mostly liberal and atheist, then having Christian and conservative posts are unlikely to be entertaining to that audience."

    No, but it`s immensely entertaining watch you squirm.

    Musuko42-"We`re not here to have our political and religious views challenged."

    See, we would never dare challenge a liberals view. It`s impossible for a liberal to actually be challenged in their view. After all, they have those views because no logic nor thinking is allowed. It just `feels` right.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
    10722 posts
    October 30, 2013 at 7:03 am
    @turdburglar

    U MAD BRO?
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    Musuko42 Male 18-29
    2850 posts
    October 30, 2013 at 7:25 am
    @MeGrendel

    "It`s impossible for a liberal to actually be challenged in their view."

    Then why do you keep trying to do it?

    "because no logic nor thinking is allowed"

    It bothers me that you seem to think that cool, impassionate logic and "truth" are the sole reserve of the conservative way of thinking, when evidence to the contrary abounds; the way that CrakrJak, 5cats, and you yourself often conduct yourselves on here. Emotions flare up on both sides, not just amongst your opposition.

    I`ll say again, in a different way: if the claim that this website is predominantly liberal and atheist is true, then are you surprised that people here react negatively to Christian and conservative posts that are trying to challenge their political and religious views, when all they are seeking is some entertaining distraction from boredom?

    Time and a place, man. Here isn`t really it.
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    Musuko42 Male 18-29
    2850 posts
    October 30, 2013 at 7:29 am
    @MeGrendel

    Incidentally, this...

    "No, but it`s immensely entertaining watch you squirm."

    ...comes across as pretty twisted, and if I were you I`d be a little sobered and worried by having that in your psyche. It seems like a mild form of unhealthy sadism. And not the good kind that involves whips and leather.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
    10722 posts
    October 30, 2013 at 7:33 am
    Frankly I find the political debates far more entertaining then the content posted on IAB. Honestly though if you ever honestly feel like IAB should muzzle someone simply because of their views, maybe because it`s your own perspective that`s unconvincing. (Looking at you turdburglar).
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    richanddead Male 18-29
    3318 posts
    October 30, 2013 at 7:35 am
    @Musuko42:

    Everyone has the right to speak, honestly I don`t think anyone cares about you or what you think about.(not being mean) But that doesn`t mean everyone else should censor themselves merely because you clicked on a post that you knew was political and didn`t like what you saw. This is not a liberal or conservative site, it is an anti-borem site. There are large populations of both conservative and liberals on here, no one is beholden to another.

    Remember "It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it." -Aristotle
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    Musuko42 Male 18-29
    2850 posts
    October 30, 2013 at 7:49 am
    @richanddead

    "Everyone has the right to speak"

    I haven`t said that they don`t. I`ve not said that people should stop posting the political posts.

    What I *have* said...you know, the actual words that I have typed, and not the argument you dreamed up in your head...is that people shouldn`t be surprised when the audience here react negatively to the political posts.
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    Musuko42 Male 18-29
    2850 posts
    October 30, 2013 at 7:52 am
    @richanddead

    "merely because you clicked on a post that you knew was political and didn`t like what you saw"

    I`ll also note that I`ve often said that I sometimes quite enjoy the political posts, personally.

    In fact, I said as much just a few posts down from here. Again...you`re arguing against a fabrication in your head, rather than what I actually write.

    Here it is again, in case you missed it. Word for word, exactly what I put:

    "We`re not here to have our political and religious views challenged. We`re here because we`re bored and want to be a little less bored. Sometimes, yes, that is accomplished by a little political debate. I know that`s true for me. But not always. And not continuously. And not over and over and over again."
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    richanddead Male 18-29
    3318 posts
    October 30, 2013 at 8:22 am
    @Musuko42:
    "I haven`t said that they don`t. I`ve not said that people should stop posting the political posts."

    No, actually I did read the actual words of what you wrote and you did recommend censoring 5Cats posts that go against a liberal/atheist outlook at the 4:50:21 AM mark.

    You said:
    "If it does lean that way (and I imagine it might well do), then that`s a good reason not to keep having these 5Cats political posts."
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    richanddead Male 18-29
    3318 posts
    October 30, 2013 at 8:50 am
    @Musuko42:

    "I`ll also note that I`ve often said that I sometimes quite enjoy the political posts, personally. "

    I read all of that too. You like it sometimes but "But not always. And not continuously. And not over and over and over again."

    Well thats fine, but as I said "honestly I don`t think anyone cares about you or what you think about." If you don`t feel up for politics then don`t click the link, not everyone runs on your schedule and no one is beholden to check with you to see if you`re up to political debate today. If you don`t want to enter into it then thats your responsibility to not click on the link, others shouldn`t have to cater to your likes and dislikes.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    31766 posts
    October 30, 2013 at 8:59 am
    This is not specifically targetted against 5Cats.

    Quite right @Musuko42, and I appreciate that! It`s a lot easier to understand what you`re saying when I`m not "ducking for cover" from attacks! Not saying YOU attack me like that, eh? Other have though.

    ...if someone was posting My Little Pony posts every single day.
    Someone SUGGESTS MLP posts. The MODS put them up! I cannot emphasise this enough! Blaming ME for "too much right wing" is utterly pointless! I`ll suggest whatever I please! And most of it does NOT get posted :-)

    If the audience is mostly liberal and atheist...
    ODD! Whatever happened to "minority rights"? Equality is all good for GAYS (5%) but BAD for conservatives (40%)? What? Seriously. Serious question.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    31766 posts
    October 30, 2013 at 9:07 am
    That right there is grounds for a ban hammer.

    @CrakrJak is correct! Homophobic abuse = banhammer!

    (Is there a line between "homosmack" which is joking, and what @turdy said? He clearly was not kidding, he intended to offend.)

    Abusing conservatives is OK though. The argument `could be made` that I invite abuse by suggesting "unpopular topics"? Many IAB Liberals have made EXACTLY that argument!

    And the girls who wear make-up invite rape too! Islam says so!

    Time and a place, man. Here isn`t really it.
    @Musuko42: If you removed ALL POLITICAL, RELIGIOUS (including atheist) and "controversial" posts from IAB? There`d be little left to see...

    If you wish to remove one side? It`s "fair game" to remove the other side too...
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    pazerlenis Male 40-49
    1380 posts
    October 30, 2013 at 9:31 am
    @5cats, nice try but the phrase "spying scandal" includes both the spying, AND how that revelation is handled. Trying to back-track like this is petty and small. Just admit when you are wrong and the people on this site might not want to get you banned so badly.

    Besides, we both know if this situation was reversed and it was a Republican prez, you`d be defending his handling of the scandal and bitching about the evil Liberals who were outraged about it happening.

    In other words, you parrot every single republican talking point without any thought or consideration. That makes you a patsy.
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    Musuko42 Male 18-29
    2850 posts
    October 30, 2013 at 9:34 am
    @richanddead

    I said it`s a good reason not to have the 5Cats political posts. I did not say that the 5Cats political posts should be banned. They are related, but seperate things. You can`t claim that I`ve said one thing when I`ve actually said the other.
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    Musuko42 Male 18-29
    2850 posts
    October 30, 2013 at 9:35 am
    @richanddead

    "honestly I don`t think anyone cares about you or what you think about."

    You clearly do. You care enough to respond to what I`m saying.
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    Musuko42 Male 18-29
    2850 posts
    October 30, 2013 at 9:39 am
    @5Cats

    "Someone SUGGESTS MLP posts. The MODS put them up! I cannot emphasise this enough! Blaming ME for "too much right wing" is utterly pointless!"

    Oh I know, and I`m not laying the blame at your feet for the number of posts (but perhaps, yes, for the inflamatory way your posts are often worded).

    "ODD! Whatever happened to "minority rights"? Equality is all good for GAYS (5%) but BAD for conservatives (40%)? What? Seriously. Serious question."

    Again, I`m not saying that the posts should be banned. I am saying that maybe there are too many for them, given the nature of the audience, and that having too many posts that don`t entertain the audience makes the posts work counter to the purpose of the site. As I said before: if there were a lot of MLP posts, and not many of us here were MLP fans, there`d be a similar reaction.
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    pazerlenis Male 40-49
    1380 posts
    October 30, 2013 at 9:45 am
    @5cats, "Remember Nixon? His "secret tape recordings" weren`t really THAT big an issue. His use of the Office Of The PotUS to cover them up & telling lies about it? THAT was what (rightfully!) caused his impeachment."

    Nixon was really impeached over the Vietnam promises he failed to keep. Kennedy/Johnson made the mess and Nixon couldn`t clean it up like he said he would. If he had managed to end Vietnam in his first term, congress wouldn`t have had enough leverage to force his hand like they did.

    That`s not to say the political trope "the cover-up is typically far more damaging than the scandal itself" isn`t true. The two incidents are just very different from a historical perspective so its a bit like comparing apples to oranges.
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    whodat6484 Male 30-39
    3907 posts
    October 30, 2013 at 9:48 am
    "ODD! Whatever happened to "minority rights"?"

    There`s no such thing as minority rights on a content based entertainment website. Just like all other media, in order to be successful you cater to the demographic that makes up the majority of your audience.
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    pazerlenis Male 40-49
    1380 posts
    October 30, 2013 at 10:04 am
    @whodat6484, "in order to be successful you cater to the demographic that makes up the majority of your audience."

    5cats has no interest in minority rights. In fact I think he is trying to mock the liberal belief that minorities should have equal rights (he even used quotations around the phrase "Minority Rights" to emphasize that fact). He is saying this stuff to get everyone riled up. That is his fun. He likes to stir the pot and see the ants scurry around.

    And this site is not going to reduce the number of political posts because they drive traffic to the site. How many times have people reloaded this page just to see what the next comment will be? Its all about the pageviews and this site has not shown any inkling of putting out any effort to improve the site in years. I wouldn`t be surprised if these posts are the only thing keeping this site afloat.
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    richanddead Male 18-29
    3318 posts
    October 30, 2013 at 10:19 am
    @Musuko42:
    "I said it`s a good reason not to have the 5Cats political posts. I did not say that the 5Cats political posts should be banned. They are related, but separate things."

    I never said that you asked him to be banned, you just wanted his opinion to be suppressed because you don`t agree with having political posts everyday. Thats still censorship, and it is not dependent on the means you wish to use to suppress his views nor how often you wish to suppress his views, merely that you wish to have certain views of his suppressed because you`ve deemed it indecent to have them so regularly.

    "You care enough to respond to what I`m saying."

    Yes, I will respond to what you are "saying", because it is important to note that it`s your choice to click on the link, no one was beholden to check with you before posting material, and censorship of speech should never be tolerated.
  67. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
    31766 posts
    October 30, 2013 at 10:21 am
    @WhoDat: ic: CERTAIN Minorities only have SELECTIVE rights if the majority allows them to... wait, WHAT?
    You do understand the irony of what you said, yes?

    @panzerlenis: No, the "scandal" and the "cover-up" are related but separate crimes.
    Clinton: Got blow-jobs in the Oval Office
    = Scandal!
    Clinton: Lied under oath, felony perjury.
    = CRIME!

    See?
    I was shocked when Reagan was accused in the Iran/Contra thing. AT Reagan! But when the actual facts came out? There was no `cover-up` at all: there was nothing TO cover up!

    The Democrats and MSM still demanded he be impeached, same for Bush II... remember?

    Nixon ALREADY HAD gotten out of Vietnam, I fail to see how that was the driving issue; unless it`s the "Revenge of the Military Industrial Complex" conspiracy...
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    whodat6484 Male 30-39
    3907 posts
    October 30, 2013 at 11:08 am
    @5Cats - You know damn well what I`m talking about, don`t try putting your spin on what I said. I`m talking about a f*cking website, not human rights in general. Let me reiterate it for you.

    That Metal Show is a weekly show about heavy metal & rock music. Take a look at the guests they`ve had and you`ll notice that they`ve never had Lady Gaga, Justin Bieber or Snoop Dog on the show. Wanna know why? Because it`s a show about metal & rock! They`re not taking away or limiting the rights of fans of other genres of music, they`re airing content that fans of their show want to see.

    Use your f*cking brain for a change.
  69. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
    31766 posts
    October 30, 2013 at 12:30 pm
    @WhoDat: But would they NEVER ALLOW Snoop Dog on their show? Would it be FORBIDDEN to even ASK or suggest he be a guest?

    Look at what you actually say, rather than what you "intend to mean"...

    I`d bet real money that Snoop has intelligent things to say about "Heavy Metal". Just MHO.

    I obey the rules of this website, until they`re changed? Tough titties 4U!
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    whodat6484 Male 30-39
    3907 posts
    October 30, 2013 at 1:13 pm
    @5Cats - Stop trying to read into what I say and change it, that`s all on you, not me. Everyone else knows what I`m talking about, you`re the one who chooses to put a spin on it in that sick, twisted pile of mush that resides inside your skull.

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    pazerlenis Male 40-49
    1380 posts
    October 30, 2013 at 2:23 pm
    "No, the "scandal" and the "cover-up" are related but separate crimes. "

    I specifically used the phrase "Spy Scandal" to refer to it all. Act + how its handled. Otherwise we are just talking about spying. You yourself said you didn`t consider the spying to be an issue.

    As for the Iran-Contra affair, that`s your conservative bias talking. Reagan`s legacy took a big hit with that scandal, and it was mainly due to how it didn`t fit his core beliefs (no deals with terrorists). Lets not forget he got elected by playing a hard stance against Iran, only to have this happen. And the same logic you are using against Obama also applies here. He either knew about it and covered that up, or he was ignorant of what his own administration was doing.

    If you apply the same rules and standards to politicians in your party that you do to other parties, your arguments just don`t hold up to any scrutiny.
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    richanddead Male 18-29
    3318 posts
    October 30, 2013 at 2:33 pm
    @5Cats: "Tough titties 4U"


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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17515 posts
    October 30, 2013 at 5:22 pm
    whodat: You`ve repeatedly stated your dislike of conservative`s submissions on IAB and even suggested their banishment. Sorry, but IAB is for everyone, not just you and your ilk.

    Aren`t you liberals supposed to be the "tolerant", "inclusive" and "unprejudiced"? Or is that exclusive only to people of like minds?

    Either accept us as equals or admit you are no better than you claim conservatives to be. Either way, quit being a hypocrite.
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    whodat6484 Male 30-39
    3907 posts
    October 30, 2013 at 5:41 pm
    @CrakrJak - Considering the fact that I`m pro-gun I`m immediately disqualified as a liberal so you`re immediately wrong on that.

    The fact of the matter is I don`t identify with either liberals or conservatives because you`re all f*cking crazy for the most part. What I dislike is the constant political propaganda that`s posted here. Lately, it`s all been coming from the psycho`s on the right so naturally I`m focusing my hatred on them currently. A few months ago all we saw was anti-gun propaganda being posted and my hatred was directed at them at that time. I see everyone one either side as equals, meaning I dislike them all equally. Get your facts straight about who and what I am before accusing me of anything.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17515 posts
    October 30, 2013 at 5:57 pm
    Whodat: "I`m pro-gun I`m immediately disqualified as a liberal."

    Not necessarily, there are many militant liberals out there. Bernadine Dohrn and Bill Ayers, close friends of the Obama`s, would be prime examples.

    About the only thing that would completely disqualify one from being a liberal is a firm belief in capitalism.

    "I dislike them all equally."

    Your "cater to the demographic" stance belies that claim. IAB`s demographic is bored people, period.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17515 posts
    October 30, 2013 at 5:58 pm
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    whodat6484 Male 30-39
    3907 posts
    October 30, 2013 at 6:03 pm
    @CrakrJak - I also want to point out that I find your avatar of "The Dude" to be funny considering where you are in the political spectrum. You do know that "The Dude" is the epitome of the hippie liberal slacker stereotype, right?
  78. Profile photo of whodat6484
    whodat6484 Male 30-39
    3907 posts
    October 30, 2013 at 6:05 pm
    "Your "cater to the demographic" stance belies that claim."

    No, my "cater to the demographic" stance was in response to whoever said it seemed like the majority of people on IAB were liberals and atheists.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    31766 posts
    October 30, 2013 at 8:43 pm
    @panzerlenis: Was Reagan ELECTED on trading arms with Iran & Nicaragua?
    Did Reagan call this policy "his legacy"?
    Did he PERSONALLY assign his "top people" to the task?
    Did he point the finger at Democrats when things "went wrong"?

    HINT: The answer is "no" to all of the above. But "YES" for Obama and the ACA...

    I am applying the SAME rules to both... it is you who holds a "double standard" based entirely on political party.

    @WhoDat: YOUR opinion is a minority on IAB. Please silence yourself for the betterment of humanity. Practice what you preach!

    That is all.

    (Note: I am attempting to point out the flaw(s) in your position. No actual request for silence is IMPLIED here...)
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    whodat6484 Male 30-39
    3907 posts
    October 30, 2013 at 9:50 pm
    "YOUR opinion is a minority on IAB. Please silence yourself for the betterment of humanity. Practice what you preach!"

    Only in your own sick little world. How about you shut the f*ck up and worry about your own country. I hope you haven`t reproduced yet and never do for the betterment of humanity.
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    pazerlenis Male 40-49
    1380 posts
    October 31, 2013 at 5:51 am
    @5cats, "The answer is `no` to all of the above. But `YES` for Obama and the ACA. I am applying the SAME rules to both."

    I find it very interesting that we`ve been discussing the spying scandal and suddenly you want to change the topic to ACA. Then you put a silly list together (a list that doesn`t even work if we compare actual scandals - not a scandal and a law).

    Was Reagan ELECTED on trading arms with Iran & Nicaragua?
    - Was Obama elected on the Spying scandal?
    Did Reagan call this policy "his legacy"?
    - When did Obama call the Spying stuff "his legacy"?
    Did he PERSONALLY assign his "top people" to the task?
    - I don`t know. Who would the Ollie North be in this Spying scandal?
    Did he point the finger at Democrats when things "went wrong"?
    - Are you suggesting blaming the other party is unique to Democrats? And you call me biased? LOL!
  82. Profile photo of pazerlenis
    pazerlenis Male 40-49
    1380 posts
    October 31, 2013 at 5:59 am
    @5cats, "WhoDat: YOUR opinion is a minority on IAB. Please silence yourself for the betterment of humanity. Practice what you preach! (Note: I am attempting to point out the flaw(s) in your position. No actual request for silence is IMPLIED here.)"

    Did you really just say that? What a strange...insult?

    Well I guess technically you are correct. No actual request for silence is IMPLIED. Your request for silence is very explicit as far as I can see...
  83. Profile photo of elkingo
    elkingo Male 30-39
    5385 posts
    October 31, 2013 at 7:27 am
    "That right there is grounds for a ban hammer."

    I would think first you should find out if he offended me.

    He didn`t. I don`t take him seriously. Also, I am comfortable with who I am, and couldn`t care any less about his insults. I see them for what they are: pathetic attempts to divert the conversation.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17515 posts
    October 31, 2013 at 7:28 am
    whodat: "You do know that "The Dude" is the epitome of the hippie liberal..."

    Ah, here we go. Typical liberal response when they are losing the argument, attack them personally.

    I`ve said before that people have called me "The Dude", because of how I look, not my politics. It doesn`t hurt that I`m easy going and try to be a peacemaker, IRL.

    I`m fully aware, though, that some believe I seem more like Walter, here on IAB. But rest assured, I`ve never pulled a gun on someone for going over the foul line, figuratively or literally.
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    elkingo Male 30-39
    5385 posts
    October 31, 2013 at 7:30 am
    @Musuko42 - I didn`t claim that the bulk of users are liberal atheists. Allow me to clarify: I meant that in the past the bulk of the posts are liberal and anti-christian.

    That being said, when you only post things for one side, the other side starts to get offended and begins to leave.

    I like for their to be a balance, and the debates these posts generate relieves boredom and stress.

    I do think the amount of 5Cats political posts should be squelched. Something like, no more than 1-2 on the front page at any given time would be logical.

    I sort of wish 5Cats would take the initiative and do this on his own. Be more selective dude.
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    elkingo Male 30-39
    5385 posts
    October 31, 2013 at 7:31 am
    "I hope you haven`t reproduced yet and never do for the betterment of humanity."

    Wow... just wow.

    Could you try and be any more vile and offensive?
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17515 posts
    October 31, 2013 at 7:41 am
    pazerlenis: Obama was elected on all his promises, and the belief he was giving out freebies like healthcare and "Obamaphones".

    Obama called the ACA, aka "Obamacare" his "Legacy", so quit being obtuse.

    Obama has had dozens of "Ollie North" type characters in his administration, many have resigned or been thrown under the bus. Others like Sebilius and Holder are still there.

    Obama and his ilk continue to blame everyone, except themselves, for the mess we are in. They act like toddlers in this regard. Compare that to Reagan who owned up to Iran-Contra, on live TV, and took responsibility.

    Obama knows nothing, takes responsibility for nothing and is just a really bad con artist.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    31766 posts
    October 31, 2013 at 8:53 am
    I sort of wish 5Cats would take the initiative and do this on his own. Be more selective dude.
    @elkingo: Well, I DOUBT I`ve had more than 2 political posts on the front page, at least not that I can recall.
    5-6 Pol-posts there? yes! But NOT all by me!
    How can I "be selective" when I have NO control over what GETS posted? I submit lots of VARIETY. Including a variety of political stuff! :-)

    Your request for silence is very explicit as far as I can see...
    No @panzerlenis: YOU`VE INFERRED that, not MY problem bro!

    "I hope you haven`t reproduced yet and never do for the betterment of humanity."
    Could you try and be any more vile and offensive?

    I KNOW @elkingo! I get this sort of thing a LOT! :-(
    The IAB Liberal Brigade has no qualms about expressing their naked hatred, eh? And no shame either. And no moderation to restrict it...
  89. Profile photo of elkingo
    elkingo Male 30-39
    5385 posts
    October 31, 2013 at 11:43 am
    "How can I "be selective" when I have NO control over what GETS posted?"

    Simple. Only submit the things that are most relevant and limit it to 1 per topic, so to speak. Did it never occur to you that it might be getting posted to make you look bark raving mad? If you protest something all the time, it makes you look, well, ridiculous.

    Pick like 1 really good submission and submit that. Simply be more selective on your end.
  90. Profile photo of elkingo
    elkingo Male 30-39
    5385 posts
    October 31, 2013 at 11:46 am
    "whoever said it seemed like the majority of people on IAB were liberals and atheists"

    Good grief. Is reading comprehension THAT bad around here?

    I merely suggested that in the past POSTS have had a liberal and anti-Christian tendency.

    That has nothing whatsoever to do with the people who frequent this site.
  91. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
    31766 posts
    October 31, 2013 at 3:16 pm
    make you look bark raving mad?

    You mean "Meow" raving mad, yes? :-) (Or "stark", lolz! `barking mad` is another expression.)

    How do I know which one "is the best"? They`re ALL interesting to me! I already don`t submit half (or more) of what I`d like to see posted.

    >>Sometimes I think: oh this won`t get posted... but it does! And people like it!
    >>Sometimes I think: Oh for SURE this will be accepted! But...

    So? I suggest what I`d "like to see on IAB" and think everyone should do the same! :-)

    And for the record: IAB Liberals already "group-think" things about me based entirely on THEIR BIASES. Nothing I can do to change that, ever.
    True but sad, eh? Their bigotry is NOT my problem.

  92. Profile photo of pazerlenis
    pazerlenis Male 40-49
    1380 posts
    October 31, 2013 at 5:33 pm
    @CrakrJak, maybe you didn`t pay much attention to the conversation 5cats and I were having so I`ll give you the benefit of the doubt. We were talking SPECIFICALLY about the spying scandal. Not about ACA. He just pulled that topic out of his azz when he couldn`t argue the spy scandal based on merits alone. So please forgive me if I have no interest in playing 5cats mind games and called him on his bullcrap.

    But then you threw in with this, "Obama called the ACA, aka "Obamacare" his "Legacy", so quit being obtuse."

    Maybe before calling me obtuse, you should look that word up in a dictionary. Based on what you just said, you`re the one who is being obtuse here. Hopefully I`ve been able to clear up your confusion and you can be a little less obtuse going forward.

    I won`t hold my breath.
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    whodat6484 Male 30-39
    3907 posts
    November 4, 2013 at 1:50 pm
    "Your "cater to the demographic" stance belies that claim."

    No, my "cater to the demographic" stance was in response to whoever said it seemed like the majority of people on IAB were liberals and atheists.

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