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    normalfreak2 Male 18-29
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    October 27, 2013 at 5:18 am
    Link: North Carolina Voter ID - Who Voter ID Laws are really for.
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    ForSquirel Male 30-39
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    October 27, 2013 at 4:50 pm
    Yeah, I remember getting asked ID last election and looking at the woman and telling her she couldn`t ask for my ID. she just smiled and said, `OK. Driver`s license.` This was long before this law passed. It`s gonna be interesting to see how it plays out.
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    October 27, 2013 at 4:58 pm
    This illustrates the difference between Republicans and Democrats. The Republicans threw this dumb$#!+ cracker out on his ass within hours of this. The Democrats, on the other hand, elected a former Kiegle of the KKK as president pro tem of the senate.
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    CaptKangaroo Male 50-59
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    October 27, 2013 at 5:36 pm
    I have no problem with showing ID in order to vote. If possessing an ID is an insurmountable problem for you, I have zero problem with you NOT voting.
    keeps the illegals from voting, and keeps the voting fraud squarely in competent hands- our elected officials(And the cheated unelected ones, I guess).
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    normalfreak2 Male 18-29
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    October 27, 2013 at 6:26 pm
    Or Ollie is The GOP is only sorry when what they say in private accidentally goes public. He wasn`t relected because he hid this very well, it`s because he`s one of many bigots that still exist.

    Let`s put this in perspective. All it took to inact Voter Restrictions was 2 cases of voter fraud. Hell I`m pretty sure more than 2 people were shot with a gun yet not a peep about gun reform. Now I`m not saying we should have reform on guns I`m just pointing out the absurdity of picking and choosing which parts of the Constitution certain GOP can change and others that can`t be touched.
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    normalfreak2 Male 18-29
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    October 27, 2013 at 6:29 pm
    Once again why pick on low informed Democratic voters like what this guy admitted the law was for and not touch the Low informed GOP voters? You can`t choose one over another. Remember if you spout the Constitution is above all then remember voting is a RIGHT just like owning a gun is.
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    whodat6484 Male 30-39
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    October 27, 2013 at 6:33 pm

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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    October 27, 2013 at 7:22 pm
    If you can`t get your $#!+ together enough to get an ID, I don`t give a loose dry f*** who you think ought to win the election.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    October 27, 2013 at 7:23 pm

    "remember voting is a RIGHT just like owning a gun is."
    Yes, and you have to pay a fee to get the gun permit to own the gun you have a RIGHT to. Therefore you can pay the fee for the ID card you need to vote.
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    Draculya Male 40-49
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    October 27, 2013 at 8:30 pm
    I don`t see the problem with voter IDs unless your voter base depends on people not entitled to vote.
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    whodat6484 Male 30-39
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    October 27, 2013 at 9:11 pm

    This is the problem with Voter ID Laws

    86 yr old WWII Veteran who longer drives, drivers license expires, polling place won`t accept it because it`s expired, polling place won`t accept his valid Veteran Affairs ID Card because his home address is not on it.

    The solution: A universal, nationwide ID card that is given to citizens that can be used for the purpose of voting. They obtain said ID with proof of citizenship and proof they`re not a felon. The key to it working, I think, is that it has to be nationwide, not done on a state-by-state basis like drivers licenses.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    October 27, 2013 at 9:58 pm
    @WhoDat and @normalfreak2: How about some sort of... Nationwide Medical ID Card!
    You know, like Hillary & Obama are all `hot for` eh?

    I`m just sayin: if people need to pay for it? YES that`s a BAD IDEA!
    But I`ve yet to see that proposed: it`s ALWAYS a "free card" to get.

    When I was younger? Our Provincial Gov`t offered >>>Free Picture ID Cards<<< so you could buy booze! Drivers Licences didn`t have pictures in those days...
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    October 28, 2013 at 12:01 am
    I don`t see the problem with voter IDs unless your voter base depends on people not entitled to vote.
    BINGO!
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    October 28, 2013 at 12:04 am
    @whodat6484, I`m pretty sure all states issue non-driver IDs. And trust me, we absolutely do NOT want the federal government issuing IDs.

    As a great Native American philosopher once said, "Heap bad medicine!"
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    October 28, 2013 at 1:18 am
    You can get IDs for free, so the "pay to vote" bullcrap, is bullcrap.
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    Bakcagain21 Male 18-29
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    October 28, 2013 at 1:20 am
    I`m confused :S Where is the string of lefties saying the Daily Mail is essentially the Onion and nothing they write is true? As per usual when a DM article is shared.....
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    DuckBoy87 Male 18-29
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    October 28, 2013 at 1:52 am
    While not required to vote, Pennsylvania offers FREE IDs to those who want them, for the sole purpose of voting.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    October 28, 2013 at 4:48 am
    I`m glad that idiot resigned, what he said was some of the stupidest sh|t ever.

    That said, voter IDs are not about excluding any race from voting, it`s about preventing vote fraud. Since the year 2000, over 491 cases in 46 states. And those are just the few we know about and were caught.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    October 28, 2013 at 5:55 am
    I`ve got to jump through all sort of hoops and pay a bunch of money for a license for a firearm in my state and that`s a right in the constitution. You don`t even have to pay for these and if you`ve gone this far without any form of ID you`re quite the winner.
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    normalfreak2 Male 18-29
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    October 28, 2013 at 5:55 am
    I`m not checking those numbers Crakr but once again. ~490 cases out of votes of 100 million +. They don`t decide elections. They are statistically irreleavent.

    Once again; IT takes 490 cases of voter fraud to enact change but I don`t think I`m going on a ledge here with this generalization, we as a Country will have more gun murders than that in one year and no sweeping changes for the 2nd amendment are on the docket. I just find that interesting don`t you?
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    randomxnp Male 30-39
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    October 28, 2013 at 6:23 am
    This is utter BS. Where voter ID has been implemented not only is the vote fairer (there are hundreds of confirmed cases of vote rigging, must be many times more unknown) but voting of minorities actually has increased.
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    papajon0s1 Male 40-49
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    October 28, 2013 at 7:01 am
    Not defending these awful remarks, but look at what you need to give out to get Obamacare! But voting? nah... just come on in!
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    normalfreak2 Male 18-29
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    October 28, 2013 at 7:09 am
    I linked an article from the Daily Mail because I wanted to be fair. I generally despise the engine of the GOP that runs them as they are extremely bias in most situations. Even in this article the focus it on it is to say this was to prevent voter fraud even though the gentlemen admits to only 2 cases of it. It`s a ludicrous change given all the things we DON`T institute changes for that happen with much more frequency. IE Gun control.

    Also we have a tendency to COMPLETELY overreact to issues that are so rare and infrequent. IE the terrorist attacks we lost a whole section of the 4th amendment on that alone. (IE PATRIOT ACT)
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    normalfreak2 Male 18-29
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    October 28, 2013 at 7:25 am
    Once again McGovern. I don`t want stupid people to vote anymore than any intelligent person does. HOWEVER, it`s a constitutional right that every citizen be able to vote. These laws target low informed Democratic voters mainly. I`d argue low informed GOP voters are just as dangerous yet this doesn`t inherently target them as much as this targets part of the democratic voter base.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    October 28, 2013 at 7:31 am
    HOWEVER, it`s a constitutional right that every citizen be able to vote

    Guess what else is that I mentioned but you don`t see a problem with that of course.

    I`d argue low informed GOP voters are just as dangerous yet this doesn`t inherently target them as much as this targets part of the democratic voter base.

    How so if they`re as dumb as the ones your fighting for they would also not get an ID right?
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    October 28, 2013 at 7:34 am
    Michigan has a voter ID law in place BTW take a guess why the Daily show didn`t go after those politicians....
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    broizfam Male 60-69
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    October 28, 2013 at 7:38 am
    I have no problem with having photo ID to prove you are who your voter registration says you are. Those ID`s, however, should be relatively easy to obtain and free. It shouldn`t be done in a way that obstructs rights.
    The idiot in the interview had to resign because he went stupidly public, embarrassing the crap out of his party. Tha`s the ONLY REASON, Ollie. Otherwise they`d have been slapping him on the back and congratulating him for doing such a good job.
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    normalfreak2 Male 18-29
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    October 28, 2013 at 8:13 am
    McGovern. Poor people are most likely to be uneducated HOWEVER not in all cases. Uninformed GOP voters may be uniformed but they may have money same goes for Democratic. It`s the facts that we have WAY MORE people living under the poverty line than we do that have decent middle income jobs. All those people under the poverty line more than likely aren`t as educated, vote democratic. Thus alienating a huge portion of the democratic vote. The reason why this doesn`t affect the GOP as much is because intelligent poor people (GENERALLY) don`t vote for the Party that wants to take entitlements away from poor people. See where this is going?
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    normalfreak2 Male 18-29
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    October 28, 2013 at 8:19 am
    Let me be as plain and up front as possible. If you are buying whatever the Democrats and Republicans are selling you are someone with loads of money or you are uniformed. As left leaning independent I can`t find one congressmen that I agree with. Both parties are the parties of the rich. As a middle class American I don`t side with the GOP on this issue squarely because it`s voter suppression. Targeting one group of idiots only leaving the other idiots untouched is unfair and let`s be plain unconstitutional. You try and thumb it off as the law is fair to all poor people equally and it is. The problem is Poor people generally vote democratic. The GOP is trying indirectly to get poor people to stop voting. This is a class issue not a race issue. If you can`t see that then well....I don`t know what to say.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    October 28, 2013 at 8:32 am
    @normalfreak2

    But the same thing for guns in a tons of states is ok...cause well that`s in the constitution also. Infact no it`s not the same cause you don`t have to pay for the voter ID! SO I`m not sure how that`d be targeting being free and all.

    Both parties are the parties of the rich
    Yep.


    Now tell me why people are up in arms over this but not about Michigan the same damn thing!
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    normalfreak2 Male 18-29
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    October 28, 2013 at 9:30 am
    @McGovern
    I haven`t read the Michigan Voter ID laws so I can`t comment on them in good faith. If they are doing what North Carolina is doing then well yea I would against it too.
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    normalfreak2 Male 18-29
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    October 28, 2013 at 9:35 am
    I mean here`s my takeaway from voter ID laws. Let`s make it so the entitlement voter doesn`t vote that way we can get rid of entitlements since they can`t vote to protect their interests.

    You know what would get rid of entitlements? Higher paying jobs. But for some reason we can`t force the people who HAVE all the money to give out good paying jobs. Entitlement goes away if they have good jobs. I find it ridiculous that Giant corporations that are making hundreds of millions if not billions won`t pay good wages *IE MCDONDALDS instead they want the taxpayer to build an entitlement system to support the poor. How about force companies like Mcdonalds to pay their employees out of their enormous profits instead of taxing the rest of America for their unwillingness to take care of their own?

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    whodat6484 Male 30-39
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    October 28, 2013 at 9:56 am
    "You can get IDs for free, so the "pay to vote" bullcrap, is bullcrap."

    Not in New York
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    AvatarJohn Male 30-39
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    October 28, 2013 at 10:00 am
    Local racist idiot calls himself a Republican. Every Republican in the country disagrees, calls him a racist idiot.

    Well, if that`s not proof the Republican party is racist, I don`t know what is!
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    October 28, 2013 at 10:04 am
    SO what you`re saying is those who make a career of living off of working peoples money can`t be bothered with getting a free ID. They don`t have enough time to because they`re too busy spending the money they didn`t work for.....and McDonalds should pay a living wage to entry level workers because they`re soooo worth that and it`s a great motivator to make something of yourself if you can make enough money to support a family f ucking peoples orders and change up LOL!
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    normalfreak2 Male 18-29
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    October 28, 2013 at 11:05 am
    McGovern what should we do about the poor people then? There is no logical way we have enough jobs for every person on the planet to be wealthy. Exactly how do you handle poor people problem then? Like it or not they need a voice in Government. You must be ok with Taxing the each individual for a welfare system because corporations can`t be bothered with taking care of their own. When will you see it`s not about the job being worth it. Under the current system you are for subsidizing poor benefits to the masses instead of putting the cost squarely on the source, low wages.

    What do you understand, or what am I missing here?
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    October 28, 2013 at 11:20 am
    ~490 cases out of votes of 100 million +. They don`t decide elections.

    >>Jesus Christ Playing Hockey!

    Are you really THAT DUMB @normalfreak2?
    Each case was about THOUSANDS of votes! Usually in CLOSELY CONTESTED races!
    And again: it`s just what was CAUGHT...

    Tell me this: How much fraud is "acceptable" in your mind? 20%? 10%? Pick a number, any number...
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    October 28, 2013 at 11:25 am
    What I understand is your solution to give everyone in a non skilled job fast food, pumping gas and ect a living wage will just cause the price of everything to go up thereby negating any effect it has. It`s also a slap in the face of people who hold a skilled job who would be making pretty much the same as the entitlement crowd. Mabey a start would be making welfare a sort of employment program to those who are able bodied and not providing more for those who pop out children to get more. Rewarding failure perpetuates the cycle.
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    normalfreak2 Male 18-29
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    October 28, 2013 at 11:34 am
    Disingenious circular argument 5cats. How many Gun deaths should we put up with?

    Since you are more likely to die to slipping or drowning in a bathtub and be struck by lightning then die in a terrorist attack how many rights and freedoms do we have to give up to be secure?

    Do you not see a correlation here? Patriot Act an unprecedented response to an unprecedented attack. However in the end it`s a grossly overdone way to deal with the problem. Similar to the voting ID laws. There are so many MORE things that are way more prevalent in our society that could be addressed but aren`t being addressed.

    Is voter fraud an issue? Yes. Does the cost of the solution make sense? IE Are there enough cases where it`s an obvious problem? To me No there isn`t. I don`t know how else to put this to you. According to the United States voting polls 126 million American`s voted. That`s .03% of the vote was fraudulent.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    October 28, 2013 at 11:38 am
    Like it or not they need a voice in Government.

    How do they not have a voice?

    You must be ok with Taxing the each individual for a welfare system because corporations can`t be bothered with taking care of their own.

    Are you for food stamps? Because if you are you have no leg to stand on to criticize WalMart and McDonalds for taking advantage of society`s generosity.
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    Denogginizer Male 30-39
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    October 28, 2013 at 12:05 pm
    How is this unconstitutional? Show me exactly where it says in the constitution, "thou shalt not require ID to vote". It`s not racist, white people have to do it to. ID`s are either cheap or free. Just skip this tuesdays`s bottle of booze and you can afford your ID.
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    normalfreak2 Male 18-29
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    October 28, 2013 at 12:14 pm
    ideally McGovern all those people start paying more because more people can afford to buy more things. More money in the pot so to speak.
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    normalfreak2 Male 18-29
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    October 28, 2013 at 12:16 pm
    @Cajun I`m for food stamps if people can`t afford food. All I`m saying if they paid employees more then that`s less the "tax payer" has to subsidize that`s all I`m saying
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    October 28, 2013 at 1:01 pm
    All I`m saying if they paid employees more then that`s less the "tax payer" has to subsidize that`s all I`m saying

    A better means of getting WalMart to raise wages is to shop at Costco. As it stands the latter does pay more but the don`t have as many employees. Price controls cause far more misery than they alleviate.

    When it comes to this topic regarding voter ID though while I don`t think that these requirements are discriminatory I do think they`re apt to fight phantom problems. It may be true that the problem is underreported, but it would be an egregious to start turning our backs on the "innocent until proven guilty" mantra.
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    ryanwi Male 30-39
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    October 28, 2013 at 5:09 pm
    Denogginizer... I agree it`s that there is no constitutional issue with these laws. That has nothing to do with whether or not they are racist though. These laws are clearly designed to make it more difficult for a specific segment of the population to vote.
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    October 28, 2013 at 9:15 pm
    These laws are clearly designed to make it more difficult for a specific segment of the population to vote.
    Right -- people who are either too lazy or too stupid to get and ID. Why should anyone give a loose dry f*** who they think ought to win the election?
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    October 28, 2013 at 10:21 pm
    normalfreak: I don`t even know where to begin with your rhetoric. Should I rake your disingenuous 2nd Amendment argument over the coals, or rip apart your "poor voter" condescending crap?

    I`m a poor person, I vote, and it wouldn`t hinder me one bit to show my ID to vote. You have to have ID to cash checks, buy alcohol and even apply for food stamps. So please quit using that "poor voter" lame excuse.

    Guns don`t kill people. People kill people and they`ll find whatever weapon they need/want, legally or illegally to do it. Baseball bats and clubs kill more people than guns, would you advocate for their banishment too? Get real!
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    October 29, 2013 at 8:22 am
    @normalfreak2: The "solution" for most voter fraud is: Show ID! Something over 97% of Americans ALREADY have! And the other 3% could get if they wanted/had to.

    Solution for murder = ??? Humanity hasn`t solved THAT problem in 200,000 years & counting. Jesus, Buddha and Mohammed couldn`t solve it!

    So go on! Compare apples to elephants all you like! The valid points remain:
    >It`s not racist
    >It`s simple & effective
    >The vast majority agree with it.
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    lauriloo Female 40-49
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    October 29, 2013 at 3:34 pm
    Surprised no one has mentioned the voter ID law in Texas that is preventing a bunch of women from voting because their name on their ID doesn`t match their voter registration because they got married or divorced and there`s a lag getting all the ID to match perfectly like the new law requires. If the ID doesn`t EXACTLY match the voter registration, the official can deny them or make them do a provisional ballot and have to come back later to prove the vote is valid. Classic. A judge who has voted for decades with her normal ID was denied voting in the courthouse she worked (!) because her ID didn`t exactly match. Never was a problem before but now it is.
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    lauriloo Female 40-49
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    October 29, 2013 at 3:37 pm
    "Right -- people who are either too lazy or too stupid to get and ID. Why should anyone give a loose dry f*** who they think ought to win the election?"

    How about old people without transportation or the required documentation no longer? Or people who work during the times the ID places are open or where there are few ID places and too far away?
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    SgtSolomon Male 18-29
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    December 19, 2013 at 6:14 pm
    politicians ftw
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    SgtSolomon Male 18-29
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    December 19, 2013 at 6:14 pm
    nothing to do here

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