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110 Responses to McDonald`s Worker Confronts Company Prez Over Wage

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    SweepOfDeath Male 18-29
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    October 11, 2013 at 11:25 am
    Link: McDonald`s Worker Confronts Company Prez Over Wage - I love his comeback.
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    Mikeoxsbiggg Male 30-39
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    October 11, 2013 at 11:32 am
    What is minimum wage in Ontario again? Like 10.50$
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    Pisseded Male 50-59
    30 posts
    October 11, 2013 at 11:46 am
    McDonalds is a high school job, from the way she speaks she probably being paid more than she`s worth. Maybe get an education then you can make more money!!
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    h0ax_d3m0n Male 18-29
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    October 11, 2013 at 11:49 am
    Ive been here 40. Brilliant. I generally think thats all he needed to say.
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    monkerz Male 30-39
    194 posts
    October 11, 2013 at 11:55 am
    Maybe she should have got her life together before spitting out a bunch of kids she can`t properly care for??
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    richanddead Male 18-29
    3318 posts
    October 11, 2013 at 11:59 am
    I`m sorry, you`ve had ten years to look for another job and Mcdonalds is still your only option, then be thankful.

    I worked on minimum wage at Value City, it was $7.25 not $8.25, it really sucked, so I got a second job and eventually found a third job that covered my expenses and quit the other two.

    If you hate your pay get another job, find a staffing agency, look on craigslist, look in the paper. If she is really concerned about her family`s welfare then look for a better job, don`t just sit back and demand more money for the same amount of work, especially when they are paying you over the national minimum wage to work at a dinky fast food outlet.
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    normalfreak2 Male 18-29
    3370 posts
    October 11, 2013 at 12:08 pm
    Come on now. The CEO`s deserve their wages. How can she expect the CEO to survive with a 7 figure a year salary when she`s mooching off the system for 8.25 an hour.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
    10339 posts
    October 11, 2013 at 12:09 pm
    Get. A. New. Job.
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    ChainsawNbud Male 50-59
    744 posts
    October 11, 2013 at 12:14 pm
    Who is stupid enough to think they can support two children by working at mcdonalds? Where is the father, and why isn`t he paying child support? And most importantly, who would drat this woman...twice?
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    Pinkminx22 Female 30-39
    1081 posts
    October 11, 2013 at 12:17 pm
    Oh boy.. Not this crap again..
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    AvatarJohn Male 30-39
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    October 11, 2013 at 12:26 pm
    I`m sure there`s a Wendy`s across the street, babe. Don`t let the door hit you on the way out.
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    Crabes Male 30-39
    1285 posts
    October 11, 2013 at 12:37 pm
    she`s not gonna get any support on IAB. And she not getting any support from me either
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    ForSquirel Male 30-39
    2054 posts
    October 11, 2013 at 1:05 pm
    Wow, some people are really out there. I couldn`t support my two kids on my salary only, and I don`t work at McDonalds.

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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
    14273 posts
    October 11, 2013 at 1:09 pm
    So you had one kid and decided it wasn`t hard enough hey lets spit out another! Contraceptives lady!!!

    How the hell do people think they should be able to support a family working a no skill fast food job?
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    Grendel Male 40-49
    5874 posts
    October 11, 2013 at 1:09 pm
    If you`ve worked at McDonalds for over 6 months and you`re still making $8.25, you`re a crappy worker.

    If you`ve been working at McDonalds for a decade and you`re not at least a regional manager...you`re an idiot.

    The fact that you have two kids is a personal choice. Has nothing to do with the president of your company.

    McDonald`s is not a career. It`s a place you work while you`re in school.

    The problem is not the management. The problem is you`re a crappy worker.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
    14273 posts
    October 11, 2013 at 1:16 pm
    Her teeth is that bling in her teeth?!?!? She`s a wise investor!
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    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
    3446 posts
    October 11, 2013 at 1:20 pm
    There`s nothing quite like a bunch of anonymous people on the internet with seemingly limitless amounts of free time telling a struggling mother that she`s lazy.
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    Twinklestein Male 30-39
    513 posts
    October 11, 2013 at 1:23 pm
    Instead of starting in with the "you are going to be arrested" He should have started questioning her and finding out why the hell she is still at starting wages after 10 years. You have to fail pretty bad to still be making $8.25 an hour after 10 years.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
    14273 posts
    October 11, 2013 at 1:29 pm
    There`s nothing quite like a bunch of anonymous people on the internet with seemingly limitless amounts of free time telling a struggling mother that she`s lazy.

    She seem to have the time to go to that meeting and show up to be interviewed didn`t she? Ya I`m sure she puts in tons of OT showing how valuable she is which how she got that promotion.....oh wait no promotions hmmm....
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
    15844 posts
    October 11, 2013 at 1:32 pm
    I think she made it pretty obvious why she`s only worth $8.25/hr. Maybe she shouldn`t have had those kids till she had a husband and the means to support them.
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    Apexs Male 30-39
    355 posts
    October 11, 2013 at 1:51 pm
    OMG she is not worth 15hr. minimum wage is meant to be for entry level job. If you cant get a better job then that`s on you. People make there situations. Its your choice to sit there and not better yourself . She made the choice to have the kids. McDonald`s did not force her to. Why should they have to pay you more because you have two kids? Guess what. Dont have kids that you can`t afford them.
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    drawman61 Male 50-59
    7707 posts
    October 11, 2013 at 2:04 pm
    Arrested? For what? A-holes proving themselves to be a-holes.
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    CaptKangaroo Male 50-59
    2313 posts
    October 11, 2013 at 2:21 pm
    First, go on a diet- that will leave more food for your undoubtedly fat little rugrats.
    Secondly, if you want to make more money, acquire better skills than flipping burgers.
    Oh, by the way, let`s see your immigration papers, please- you sound like one of those illegals that snuck into the country, then started bitching.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
    36187 posts
    October 11, 2013 at 2:55 pm

    10 years at McDonalds and you`re still pushing fries? You need to look at the direction your life is taking. McDonalds isn`t supposed to be a career, it`s a job for high school kids and retiree`s.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
    14273 posts
    October 11, 2013 at 3:21 pm
    They regulate guns, tobacco, alcohol and many other things but heavens forbid we regulate parents cause that would solve too many problems......
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    i8mygoldfish Male 18-29
    82 posts
    October 11, 2013 at 3:22 pm
    To the people saying She`s only worth $8.25. How about being or knowing some one who has a masters degree and can`t find work in the field so has to settle for something much less? There`s a larger underlying problem with the job structure in this country.
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    Grendel Male 40-49
    5874 posts
    October 11, 2013 at 3:39 pm
    i8mygoldfish-"How about being or knowing some one who has a masters degree and can`t find work in the field so has to settle for something much less?"

    Happens all the time. You do your best to better your situation and improve your job opportunities. You DON`T settle. (and I highly doubt the person in this video is working below her master`s degree).

    Shortly after I got my degree the job market for my field was eviscerated. There was very little call for my specialty. So, I got a job in another field (chemistry) and worked my way up (eventually ended up in research).

    A degree of any kind basically means you can go to school. A degree is no gurantee. I especially like it when someone gets a degree in the History of Aboriginal Macrame Potholder making and are `surprised` when they graduate and there`s no job for it.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17515 posts
    October 11, 2013 at 3:44 pm
    i8mygoldfish: If it`s a masters in something pretty much useless like art history or civic activism, then they deserve what they get.

    "Maybe she shouldn`t have had those kids till she had a husband."

    Again, bad choices have consequences. No one is entitled to $15 an hour, that doesn`t have the skills or made the correct life choices to back it up and at least make double that wage for their employer.
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    Grendel Male 40-49
    5874 posts
    October 11, 2013 at 3:45 pm
    i8mygoldfish-"There`s a larger underlying problem with the job structure in this country."

    It`s actually not that difficult. If something needs doing, there`s a job doing it. The more demand, the more jobs. The less demand the less jobs. Each person is paid the wage he agrees upon when he takes the job and any increases he negotiates and/or earns. (this is not counting those who make their own jobs, which is also a possibility.)

    Salary is determined by: Value of the job/work performed, availability of the job, availability of qualified workers, and the work ethic of the person doing the job.

    Any job that can be done by a trained monkey gets minimum wage jobs.

    Any job that very few people can do gets a higher wage.

    What part of the `jub structure` do you want to change? Being paid more than the value generate for the finished product? Not many companies stay in business that way.
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    ferdyfred Male 40-49
    13600 posts
    October 11, 2013 at 3:48 pm
    Far too many people whine about their own failures in life
    Sh it happens, degrees count for nothing now, unless its in something needed on the job market.
    No good sitting in your crappy job bemoaning the suits wont give you a triple digit payrise
    get off your arse and find something better,
    Oh and it helps if you dont knock out babbies
    you cant afford either
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    CaptKangaroo Male 50-59
    2313 posts
    October 11, 2013 at 3:49 pm
    @i8mygoldfish- I highly doubt the woman in this vid has a masters degree, a B.A.- or a high school diploma, for that matter. Judging on how she articulates her needs and opinions, I`d say she`s overpaid at $8.25/hr.
    If one does hold a masters, and is unable to secure gainful employment in their chosen field- choose a different one-use better judgment of job trends, and educate yourself in order to make yourself valuable.
    You are right, there IS an underlying, even pervasive problem with the job structure in this country- but there is a bigger one with the educational system that sells folks a valueless piece of paper that more often than not fails to deliver on the promise of prosperity.
    Think about all the students in all the schools here in masters programs, medical school, law school, the various psych and social service programs- even the tech fields; Collages and universities are cranking post grad`s out by the thousands every year- there`s just so much the market will
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    CaptKangaroo Male 50-59
    2313 posts
    October 11, 2013 at 3:50 pm
    ... And none of it will be fixed by a burger flipper that makes $15/hr.
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    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
    3446 posts
    October 11, 2013 at 3:58 pm
    Wow, look at all the single mothers in this thread who have risen from their impoverished situations and set a great standard for the girl in this video to follow. You ladies are a true inspiration.
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    onoffonoffon Male 30-39
    2308 posts
    October 11, 2013 at 4:01 pm
    Gerry-100% correct. This lady should be ashamed. Taking a low paying job is a great thing. Staying at a low paying job is proof of your usefulness or laziness in today`s society. They offered the job. She took the job. If it wasn`t what she needed she should have worked elsewhere. Can`t fix stupid.
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    ferdyfred Male 40-49
    13600 posts
    October 11, 2013 at 4:05 pm
    CaptKangaroo has a very valid point
    over here the government is pushing school leavers into higher education or wherever they can push them
    just to keep the jobless figures down, targets - always targets, ok make ten thousand or so kids go for degrees in finger nail art, keeps them off benefits for 3 years, And they then owe the goverment for their student loan! win - win in corporate circles
    Darn glad I never had kids
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    jops360 Male 30-39
    689 posts
    October 11, 2013 at 4:08 pm
    first off, rarely anyone plans for kids. anyone waiting until they can afford them are never going to have kids.
    second, if she is that bad of an employee then get rid of her. apparently she was good enough to keep her job and improve through experience. there is no reason she should not get a raise over ten years. that is just pooty owners screwing her over. probably even stringing her along with hope.
    MacDonald`s, just like every other job should be considered a career path. you work hard, learn the ropes and they should show you the courtesy of giving you a reason to stay. if this really is the case, then why are we ok with a multimillion dollar company treating more that a million workers like poo? is this who we are now? the devotion alone deserves a raise. how many people did she train? how many times did she put up with customers crap? quit trying to rationalize corporate greed and awful business practices. that is, unless you are ok with it happening to you later in li
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    bliznik Male 30-39
    786 posts
    October 11, 2013 at 4:15 pm
    "if this really is the case, then why are we ok with a multimillion dollar company treating more that a million workers like poo? is this who we are now? the devotion alone deserves a raise. how many people did she train? how many times did she put up with customers crap?"

    That`s just the point. We don`t know how hard she worked. We don`t know if she deserves a raise. We don`t know many of the facts. All we know is that she didn`t get a raise and that she`s angry. What she said and did wasn`t very helpful for her, McDonalds, or anyone else. All she did was express her anger and said she needs more money without giving reasons regarding why she deserves more money.
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    lauriloo Female 40-49
    1803 posts
    October 11, 2013 at 4:17 pm
    "Instead of starting in with the "you are going to be arrested" He should have started questioning her and finding out why the hell she is still at starting wages after 10 years. You have to fail pretty bad to still be making $8.25 an hour after 10 years.`

    Have to agree with this, shocking I know. She would at least be a store manager by now if she had applied herself and taken the necessary steps. McDonald`s provides opportunities for people who want to go for them. $8.25 is decent for a new employee tending the fry machine.
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    lauriloo Female 40-49
    1803 posts
    October 11, 2013 at 4:24 pm
    "To the people saying She`s only worth $8.25. How about being or knowing some one who has a masters degree and can`t find work in the field so has to settle for something much less? There`s a larger underlying problem with the job structure in this country."

    When I got laid off from my chemical engineering job, I used my $5,000 retraining allowance to learn a new career and meanwhile worked at Pier One and 3M as a lab assistant. When I was ready to do graphics work, I had fairly low paying jobs while I learned my new trade. Granted, I didn`t have kids to feed so it was less pressure for me but I still put $40+k on credit cards to survive and did what I needed to do to be gainfully employed. Now, my debts are all paid off and I make more than I did as a chemical engineer! Someone with a Master`s can certainly do the same if they really want to.
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    jops360 Male 30-39
    689 posts
    October 11, 2013 at 4:28 pm
    minimum wage was supposed to be a "living wage" that allowed people to get jobs and not need assistance from the government. right now it is at $7.25/hr or $15000/year before taxes. could you survive on this? lets add up expenses.
    rent -$600/month or $7200/yr
    food -$300/month or $3600/yr
    utilities -$200/month or $2400/yr
    this alone adds up to over $13000/yr that dosnt include transportation, communications(phone) or any other expenses that happen. the worst part about this is everyone`s excuse is these are high school jobs. they are not, they are worked by all ages. not with an unemployment rate around 8.5% people will take whatever they can and employers know that. they know they can get away with this sort of employee harassment because what else can they do? get a degree and you are still in the same boat except now you have bad credit and loans to repay. welcome to America, where dreams are broken and you are always in debt/being ridiculed by th
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    mykunter Male 40-49
    2424 posts
    October 11, 2013 at 4:36 pm
    Some people suck at life. It`s not McDonald`s fault.
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    Grendel Male 40-49
    5874 posts
    October 11, 2013 at 4:38 pm
    jops360-"first off, rarely anyone plans for kids."

    Incorrect. Many people plan for kids. Even more important, they plan for not having kids. It`s actually very simple.

    jops360-"apparently she was good enough to keep her job"

    Obviously.

    jops360-"and improve through experience."

    Sorry, no improvement was demonstrated. She`s shown that she works just enough to keep a job, but not hard enough to warrent more pay. (It`s actually very easy to get more pay at McDonald`s if you`re a good worker).

    jops360-"is no reason she should not get a raise over ten years."

    Yes there is. She does her job as instructed, but no more.
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    Grendel Male 40-49
    5874 posts
    October 11, 2013 at 4:38 pm
    jops360-"like every other job should be considered a career path."

    It IS a career path...to a more demanding, better paying job. She`s chosen not to take that path.

    jops360-"you work hard"

    No evidence that she did.

    jops360-"learn the ropes"

    No evidence that she did.

    jops360-"and they should show you the courtesy of giving you a reason to stay"

    If she did the first two, she`d be regional manager in the decade she worked there.

    jops360-"treating more that a million workers like poo?"

    Sorry, I didn`t realize paying her for her work was `poo`.
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    Grendel Male 40-49
    5874 posts
    October 11, 2013 at 4:45 pm
    jops360-"minimum wage was supposed to be a "living wage" "

    Sorry, Minimum wage was NEVER designed to be a `living wage`. It was never `supposed to be`.

    It was always `supposed` to be, and continues to BE, ENTRY-LEVEL pay.

    It`s what teenagers earn working part time after school and on weekends.

    If you fail to advance beyond that, it`s pretty much a sign that your work is inline with a 14 year old who`s never flipped a burger.
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    jops360 Male 30-39
    689 posts
    October 11, 2013 at 4:45 pm
    bliznik -
    just being there for ten years deserves a raise. it is unethical to do otherwise. she showed with just showing up to work that she is worth more than $8.25. you cannot tell me they do not fire anyone and if she was bad enough to not get a raise then she should have been fired long ago. granted she finally lost her cool during this but that does not change the story. they are garbage and she deserves better. the sad part about all of this is that unless min wage laws change for the better she is screwed for life. that is the low wage circle of life near everyone is stuck in.

    sub-par schooling -> min wage job -> have kids

    and it all starts over again. then on top of that things like bad credit, unequal employment chances, crap housing, endless repair bills due to cheap auto/housing means that we are screwed into a life of just making due until we pass it on to our young or die alone. the only hope we really have is an actual change or a miracle that
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    den3jlb Male 18-29
    364 posts
    October 11, 2013 at 5:06 pm
    Don`t like the wage at McDonald`s? Can afford to feed the kids?

    THEN WORK HARDER AT SCHOOL AND USE CONTRACEPTIVE.
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    jops360 Male 30-39
    689 posts
    October 11, 2013 at 5:13 pm
    megrendal -
    even though it was never ment to be a living wage it is now. say what you want but times change and companys now see it as such.
    if it really was the case she never did anything to deserve a raise then why keep her? why not get someone new and get rid of her? probably because she showed that she cared enough about her job to come in and work. she demonstrated that by keeping her job for ten years. put in some kid in high school and they would be lucky to keep them there. what do they care, they are still in school and living with their parents, they can quit on the drop of a dime. her on the other hand is different. they know they have her. and they know they can do whatever they want with her.
    "(It`s actually very easy to get more pay at McDonald`s if you`re a good worker)." not everyone makes big money at McDonald`s most quit others like her get stuck. i give you there is no proof that she worked hard but there is now way, in her 10 years she learne
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    Keyh Male 18-29
    226 posts
    October 11, 2013 at 5:24 pm
    "the sad part about all of this is that unless min wage laws change for the better she is screwed for life. that is the low wage circle of life near everyone is stuck in. "

    - Bull. poo. At the start of my "career" I was working 2 minimum wage jobs, one in retail, and one in a call center. Requirements for both were a GED/High school degree. I worked my ass off, was offered manager positions in both, and ended up taking one and dropping the other job all together. I continued to work my ass off and am now making well over three times minimum wage.

    People need to stop being entitled, and need to keep their legs closed if they can`t afford to have children on their salary.
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    jops360 Male 30-39
    689 posts
    October 11, 2013 at 5:24 pm
    den3jib - "Don`t like the wage at McDonald`s? Can afford to feed the kids?
    THEN WORK HARDER AT SCHOOL AND USE CONTRACEPTIVE."
    so what you are saying is if i work hard at school i am guaranteed a good job? or if i go to college i am guaranteed to make more? also that contraceptives are 100% effective against pregnancy. wow i better get my boots for all of this crap you just spewed out. working hard doesnt mean anything now. people will just take advantage of your hard work to put more money in their own pockets not yours. also there ate literally thousands of pregnancy`s every day due to contraceptives not working. best just to keep your right wing beliefs to your self before you make yourself out to be as stupid you seem to be. what i love the most about this argument is how people are trying to vilify her while making McDonald`s out to be some sort of corporate saint. all they want is your money, simple as that. they do this by cheapening their product and cheapening
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    jops360 Male 30-39
    689 posts
    October 11, 2013 at 5:37 pm
    Keyh -
    3 times, wow you must be raking it in at what $20/hr? think about it this way, all of that work and you are still shy of average household income. good job. all i had to do was learn a skill (quality tech) and shop for better jobs. granted it took me about 8 different companies but now i am making near $60k/yr. my whole idea was to treat them the same as they treat me. no loyalty, just do what i was told, took whatever training they let me have and move on to better. companies dont care, you are there to fill a role and when that role is gone so are you.
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    FeelTheRide Female 18-29
    515 posts
    October 11, 2013 at 6:18 pm
    this garbage really irritates me; I am skilled in my field and work really hard and I make around $15 an hour. Flipping burgers and working a cash register is NOT equivalent to the skills I need for my job. poo, if I could make $15 an hour to do a brainless job I would quit my job and have less stress in my life.

    If you don`t want to make $8.25 an hour, don`t work at McDonald`s for 10 years. Jesus christ, at least try to make something of your life instead of complaining about it. You don`t have to go to college to have a better paying job. There are plenty of people that make a "living wage" that didn`t go to college.
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    FeelTheRide Female 18-29
    515 posts
    October 11, 2013 at 6:20 pm
    If jobs like this require $15; I guess that means my job requires $23.
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    CaptKangaroo Male 50-59
    2313 posts
    October 11, 2013 at 6:48 pm
    A last thought to i8mygoldfish- Life isn`t static, no matter how much- at times- we wish it is.
    I`m in my late 50`s, and have had four careers in my adult life, the last two of which are as a business owner and job provider. My first career job as an adult was an invaluable life lesson. I took orders from unimaginative, small minded, people of marginal intelligence. I didn`t like that. So I did what I had to do to learn new skill sets- while raising a family,and not bitching about how unfair life and the world treat me.
    Sometimes you have to make hard choices, sometimes they`re a little scary, sometimes they`re not the 9 to 5 `safe` grind choices, and sometimes, sometimes they`re incredibly liberating and rewarding.
    You have to think for yourself and not be a good little drone.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17515 posts
    October 11, 2013 at 7:10 pm
    "it is at $7.25/hr or $15000/year before taxes. could you survive on this?"

    I live on half of that on disability. Yeah, I`m poor, but economize.
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    spanerbulb Male 30-39
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    October 11, 2013 at 7:17 pm
    USA USA USA. Hope your all proud of the American dream.
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    spanerbulb Male 30-39
    1244 posts
    October 11, 2013 at 7:21 pm
    Reading though these posts it`s really shocking how much people are against this woman rather that the leeching corporations that put profits before the well being of staff. Are you people really that poo*y? Is it because she is an ethnic minority?
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    CaptKangaroo Male 50-59
    2313 posts
    October 11, 2013 at 7:27 pm
    @spanerbulb- It`s her crappy sense of self entitlement- wanting more money to flip a burger- that pisses me off.
    I agree that most multinational corporations suck,but if one is unhappy with their job, they should do what`s necessary to be a more valuable employee, rather than demand exorbitant wages for menial work.
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    October 11, 2013 at 7:32 pm
    Reading though these posts it`s really shocking how much people are against this woman rather that the leeching corporations that put profits before the well being of staff.
    The fact is, corporations are SUPPOSED to put profits above EVERYTHING. Any CEO who doesn`t can be sued by the shareholders for breach of fiduciary responsibility. If you think corporations should be run "for the greater good," I suggest you move someplace where they are. Might I suggest North Korea, Vietnam, Cuba, or perhaps Venezuela?
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    Draculya Male 40-49
    14544 posts
    October 11, 2013 at 7:33 pm
    She has nothing to complain about. McD et al is the employer of last resort, one small step above welfare. If she was worth more than minimum wage, she`d be working elsewhere.
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    jops360 Male 30-39
    689 posts
    October 11, 2013 at 7:41 pm
    crakerjack - that sucks, but do you have to pay rent? do you have anything saved? did you get a settlement in your case? im guessing there is more to your story. but besides that, do you expect near half of the us to have to live like this? companies know what they can get away with and EVERYTHING is getting higher in cost but there is no real raise in base pay. there needs to be a change and most dont see this. you want people off of uncle sam but you want everything else to stay the same. it cant be done.
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    jops360 Male 30-39
    689 posts
    October 11, 2013 at 7:54 pm
    oldollie - yes they are about profits but they dont need to break records every quarter to be considered a good company. thats the problem i see. they dont care what it takes, low wages, low quality, crappy standards and it just gets worse each year. on top of that corporations are in businesses that dramatically decide peoples lives (banks, hospitals, colleges) and they still follow the same rules. they make their own rules in these cases and they effect lives. cost of hospital procedures/supplies differ by the thousand between hospitals, a simple dip of your credit rating can cost you thousands yet they dont accept any good reports on utility/rent bills only negative. colleges cost more and more yet make billions off of sports teams, the students dont see any of that except for new dorms that tend to cost them more to stay in. Obama didnt go far enough with Obamacare. these institutions should not be for profit. they should add value to the us not take away from it.
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    Grendel Male 40-49
    5874 posts
    October 11, 2013 at 7:58 pm
    jops360-"just being there for ten years deserves a raise."

    Upon what do you base this obviously falst statement?

    jops360-"even though it was never ment to be a living wage it is now."

    Sorry, it`s not. It`s still an entry level wage for kids that have absolutely no work experience.

    Still making that at 40? Says more about your work skills (or lack thereof) than the company.

    jops360-"not everyone makes big money at McDonald`s "

    Not everyone is SUPPOSED to. But if you have half a brain and a half-assed work ethic you cant make management in a couple years.

    jops360-"most quit "

    Yes, to move onto a BETTER paying job (that`s how it works).

    jops360-"others like her get stuck."

    Again, if you`re `stuck` at McDonalds, that`s not the company`s fault.
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    Grendel Male 40-49
    5874 posts
    October 11, 2013 at 7:59 pm
    jops360-"sad part about all of this is that unless min wage laws change for the better she is screwed for life"

    Actually, if the min wage laws change for the better, the company will have to reduce the workforce down to just those worth the increased wage. I doubt she`d make the cut.

    jops360-" if i work hard at school i am guaranteed a good job?"

    No matter how much you wish it, there are not gurantees, no absolutes. BUT, the more you apply yourself to both your work and your knowledge, the more employable you are (and no, a degree in `women`s studies` does not count as `knowldge`)
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    jops360 Male 30-39
    689 posts
    October 11, 2013 at 8:23 pm
    feeltheride -
    exactly. start the min wage higher and the rest will follow. yes it will hurt small business but is there really any small business left?
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    jops360 Male 30-39
    689 posts
    October 11, 2013 at 8:40 pm
    megrendal -
    "Sorry, it`s not. It`s still an entry level wage for kids that have absolutely no work experience."
    she has experience 10 years worth. the reason she deserves the raise is because she proves she has shown that she will be there. teenagers have a tendancy to leave on a whim, she has been there for 10 years. like i said before, they dont want to get rid of her because they didnt. and you are right they CANT make managment in a couple of years. its a pretty crappy system they have, they need to be "liked" by the manager before anything can happen. and yes they can get stuck in a crappy job, especially if they have two kids and there is a bad economy. most "good" jobs get hundreds of applicants to choose from yet it always goes to someone they know or family.
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    VicAginal Male 30-39
    22 posts
    October 11, 2013 at 8:40 pm
    typical democrat. `i work at mcdonalds making minimum wage so i should have kids. everyone else should pay for my shortcomings`
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    Grendel Male 40-49
    5874 posts
    October 11, 2013 at 8:48 pm
    jops360-"she has experience 10 years worth."

    I`ve seen people work the same job for 20 years without learning a single new thing.

    ops360-" she deserves the raise is because she proves she has shown that she will be there."

    She`s been there 10 years. Could be her work ethic is not great. Could be she misses work just a little too often to warrent a pay raise.

    Could be she`s friends with the management who keeps her employed because they feel sorry for

    The rest of your post sounds like you are offering excuses as to why YOU have problems with jobs.

    You get `liked` by management by doing a damn good job.
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    jops360 Male 30-39
    689 posts
    October 11, 2013 at 8:56 pm
    megrendal -
    "Actually, if the min wage laws change for the better, the company will have to reduce the workforce down to just those worth the increased wage."
    then after people complain that their food is taking to long they will rehire more people. the market will dictate how many people they need not management. also, glad you noticed my sarcasm to den3jlb. of course education doesn`t guarantee anything even though thats exactly what they were shoving down our throats up until college. even the banks thought this way thats why they are so willing to give away loans based on "future earnings" no matter the degree. you are trying to defend a system that you are no longer a part of. you are 50 years old, times change and you need to just let the reins go to those that are clearly ready to take over. so just go to bed in you house you bought dirt cheap by todays standards, enjoy your ss check that we pay into yet will never see and just dont wake up.
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    jops360 Male 30-39
    689 posts
    October 11, 2013 at 9:06 pm
    megrendal -
    "I`ve seen people work the same job for 20 years without learning a single new thing."
    the thing is the job they do for 20 years gets faster. they might not be learning something but they do a dam good job at it after 20 years. also did these people get raises? i have a feeling they at least got a quarter every year. and yes i do have a problem with some management. the way they favor family over others, no matter who is better. thats why i have no respect for management or loyalty for my job. i am constantly looking for better paying jobs and i rarely stay at any job for more that 4 years. i treat my jobs the same way they treat their employees. im all about the money, screw them.
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    Andrew155 Male 18-29
    2579 posts
    October 11, 2013 at 9:08 pm
    People aren`t going to pay you more just because you decided to make babies.
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    jops360 Male 30-39
    689 posts
    October 11, 2013 at 9:15 pm
    megrendal -
    sounds like you just have it out for her. no matter the argument its always her fault and not that they are just dicks. you said it yourself, companies are in it for the money. so why is it so hard for you to believe that she was just one of the many ways they saved a dime? you think that they didnt know she had nowhere else to go or that since she was taking it for the last five why not keep it up for another five just to see if she would take it more? no you just claim that she was a crappy worker even though your have the same information i do. that is unless you know this person personally. all i see is a person putting the hours for a business over the last 10 years and they show no gratitude for her services. you cannot say that they didnt make a profit while she was there. you cant claim that she didnt help the company stay profitable.
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
    15844 posts
    October 11, 2013 at 9:18 pm
    @jops360 ...they make their own rules in these cases and they effect lives.
    So, who do you think SHOULD make the rules, some People`s Committee? That`s been tried. It didn`t work out well.

    If you think corporations are underpaying their employees and overcharging their customers, you should pool your money with other like-minded people and start your own business to compete against them.

    If you`re right, you should be able to hire all their best employees, undercut their exorbitant prices, take away all of their customers, and run them out of business.

    Go ahead, no one`s stopping you. It`s not like we have People`s Committees here to decide who can and cannot start a business.
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    utlanning07 Male 18-29
    61 posts
    October 11, 2013 at 9:35 pm
    jops360 - In my opinion, it`s people like you that caused the companies to become indifferent towards their employees.
    "i treat my jobs the same way they treat their employees. im all about the money, screw them."
    You show no loyalty to them, they don`t care about you. It`s an endless cycle where everyone is trying to gyp everyone and not giving a damn about anything except what pertains directly to them and their personal gain. Then your type make it to management and positions where they can influence wage and say to themselves; "Wow no one is loyal to the company, looks for improvement, or gives a rat`s @ss about anything so why should we raise wages? I`ll just do what i can for myself and screw everyone else."
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    film1201 Male 30-39
    9 posts
    October 11, 2013 at 11:46 pm
    I`m a business owner who employees 35 people. I`m also a true-blue Democrate. I believe in unions, in worker`s rights, and hate when corporations take advantage of people. Corporations should be regulated to make sure that abuses don`t occur. Now, after saying all that . . . I think this lady is in the wrong in blaming McDonald`s. She works at McDonald`s (I should add that I too, at one time in my life, worked in the kitchen at McDonald`s). The job is cooking and prepping food in one of the most automated kitchens in the world. A person who has had no real training could go in, with that equipment, and cook food perfectly. Everything is designed for a 16 year old to do. This isn`t a job that an adult is meant to have for life. I have people who work for me and haven`t gotten a raise for a couple of years because they are at the max that the job pays. There are lots of other jobs that pay more, and when a person reaches a certain point, they move on to bigger and better thing
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    film1201 Male 30-39
    9 posts
    October 11, 2013 at 11:53 pm
    (continued from below). People are paid what the market can bare. Lawyers make 250-350K a year. If everyone had a law degree, you`d see that number go way down, because if anyone can do it, the wage will go down to $8/hr. Everyone can work at McDonald`s. The mentally challenged can work every position at McDonald`s effectively. What I mean by that is that McDonald`s is an $8/hr job. Always will be a low paying job. If you want more money, move to a actual restaurant, or a different industry. Raises should be for people who, through individual accomplishment, generate greater productivity or profit, IE because they generated more or better than expected, they have earned more pay. McDonald`s isn`t really set up for that type of reward system because of how automated it is, you can`t cook the food better or faster, you can only do acceptable or unacceptable, and you are already paid for acceptable. I hope she gets a better job, but saying "Give me more just cause" do
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    FeelTheRide Female 18-29
    515 posts
    October 11, 2013 at 11:53 pm
    @film1201: Explained perfectly. Hope your business if doing well!
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    Nickel2 Male 50-59
    5879 posts
    October 12, 2013 at 2:32 am
    Can`t afford children`s shoes.
    I was born poor, but none of my family were overweight; the money available was well budgeted. I did not know what fast food was until I was 16.
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    mykunter Male 40-49
    2424 posts
    October 12, 2013 at 3:31 am
    $8.25 per hour is an arbitrary number. Hell, let`s make minimum wage $100 per hour, it doesn`t matter. Now, take that $100 and pretend it`s a pebble. Go drop that pebble in a pond. Watch the ripples. Make the pebble a boulder and you still get the same effect.

    Give her $100 per hour and I will be making like $333 per hour. What does that make a Big Mac? I don`t know... maybe $60? Whatever.

    Why don`t some people get this?
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    Liquidglass Male 18-29
    1111 posts
    October 12, 2013 at 4:29 am
    corps act as a free market is meant to act. Goods are provided at a price a willing buyer will pay. The same is true for employees. Services are provided at the rate the employer is willing to pay. If you don`t like it, quit. Then go actually do something worth while if you want to double your income make it happen, don`t expect amazing pay for mediocre work.

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    Sleepyhallow Male 50-59
    1983 posts
    October 12, 2013 at 5:56 am
    Yeah, and how many of those 40 years was he trying to support himself on minimum wage?

    Just another heartless 1%er who doesn`t have a clue what it is like to try to live in the real world.
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    nubblins Female 18-29
    1743 posts
    October 12, 2013 at 7:16 am
    I love all these utopian idealists.
    "USE CONTRECEPTIVES. POOR PEOPLE SHOULDN`T REPRODUCE!!" "GET A BETTER JOB RAWRR"

    lolol.
    So many judgements from behind your little computers. I don`t know this woman except from the limited information from this video, but she has a valid point. If you`ve been loyal to the company for 10 years, you`d think she would make more than 8.25$. Every job should be a livable wage, imo. Even something as low-end as McDonalds. McDonalds would not exist without their employees, and putting her down because you think you`re better than her isn`t going to change that, yall.
  82. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17515 posts
    October 12, 2013 at 7:45 am
    Raising the minimum wage doesn`t raise the standard of living, it raises inflation, the prices everyone has to pay for goods and services.

    This also devalues other things, temporarily, like home and car loans and other investments. It creates a transient imbalance in the system, then recovers to a new balance point. But in the short term that imbalance causes chaos, like higher unemployment and higher interest rates.

    A good example is what happened from 1973, with a min. wage of $1.60, to 1981, with a min. wage of $3.35. During that doubling of the minimum wage we had double digit inflation, double digit interest rates, high unemployment, gas shortages and all sorts of economic chaos.
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    freddyferret Male 40-49
    11742 posts
    October 12, 2013 at 7:57 am
    This isn`t a job that requires an education or much training. If you want to bitch about not getting paid well, go get some training and get a decent job. Pay is based on skill, education, etc. I don`t care if she does it for 50 years, it is still a job that almost anyone could do. No sane company is going to pay a high wage for a basic job.
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    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
    3446 posts
    October 12, 2013 at 7:59 am
    Why McDonalds would be smart to raise wages

    I love how all the people here who usually complain about low income people taking federal benefits want to keep them impoverished, and therefore still sucking on the government teat.

    re. Minimum wage and inflation
  85. Profile photo of patchouly
    patchouly Male 40-49
    4746 posts
    October 12, 2013 at 8:00 am
    CrakrJak:
    "Raising the minimum wage doesn`t raise the standard of living, it raises inflation, the prices everyone has to pay for goods and services."
    ----
    And do you know why it raises the cost of things? Because when they have to pay their employees more, the money has to come from somewhere. The idea was that they stop paying themselves so much, maybe take a pay cut, but instead the greedy bastards screw the economy another way by making the customers eat the additional costs. Don`t set a "livable minimum wage" and the economy suffers because everyone is so poor. Set a "livable minimum wage" and the economy suffers because they raise the cost of goods. In the end, it`s the corporate fat cat that is doing the damage and needs to be stopped.

    Certainly you can see that it is vitally important to stop these asshats? Raise the minimum wage and make them take it out of their own pockets instead of their customers.
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    patchouly Male 40-49
    4746 posts
    October 12, 2013 at 8:06 am
    Freddyferret
    "This isn`t a job that requires an education or much training. If you want to bitch about not getting paid well, go get some training and get a decent job."
    ----

    Ahhh, the calls of the uninformed right.

    Two problems with your "solution" there, big guy. The main, glaring one is, not everyone is smart enough to go to school. They have to take the low paying jobs. That shouldn`t mean that they have to starve. They work just as hard as we do. Why aren`t they allowed to make a living wage?

    Second glaringly obvious issue? There are no stinking jobs. I can program, build and repair computers. I have programed robots and built servers. I have studied Biology, physics, business and law. But open the paper...there is no work. There are University students flipping burgers. It`s bad out there. The Cons need to open their eyes and see what`s really going on out there instead of bleating out ignorant fallacies about &qu
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    patchouly Male 40-49
    4746 posts
    October 12, 2013 at 8:06 am
    about "How things are".
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17515 posts
    October 12, 2013 at 8:43 am
    patchouly: "The idea was that they stop paying themselves so much, maybe take a pay cut.."

    But liberals don`t want it to be voluntary, they want to do it by force, government force, aka the IRS.

    "the greedy bastards screw the economy another way by making the customers eat the additional costs."

    Because that`s how capitalism works. It`s not greed, it`s economics. Unless your promoting socialism, where everyone ends up equally miserable.

    "...there is no work."

    Because socialists like you insist that everyone get benefits, like Obamacare, "and make them take it out of their own pockets"

    Just who the hell is going to take the risk of investing their capital into a business, and create jobs, if they can`t reap the rewards from it later?
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    patchouly Male 40-49
    4746 posts
    October 12, 2013 at 9:41 am
    CrakrJak:
    "if they can`t reap the rewards from it later?"
    -----
    Who says they can`t reap the rewards? Make 5 million a year instead of 7. Take that additional 2 and use it to pay your employees properly instead of being a greedy, economy ruining asshat.

    I`ll ask you the same thing I asked the others. How do you fix it then? Do you watch the middle class go extinct? Do you watch the poor get poor and turn to crime? Do you wait until the crime affects you before you react? At what point do you do something so the poor aren`t starving? And when you decide to fix it, what is the solution? This problem isn`t going away any time soon. It needs to be fixed.

    Because the corporate fat cat is the bad guy who is purposely destroying the economy for his own, personal benefit, he is the one who needs to be stopped. Create a law that stops it. Same as embezzling. It`s wrong and needs to stop.
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    freddyferret Male 40-49
    11742 posts
    October 12, 2013 at 10:41 am
    @patchouly

    Ahh the comments of the "there`s an excuse for everything" uneducated.

    not everyone is smart enough to go to school.

    There are few people who can`t handle a trade school. There are jobs in HVAC, manufacturing, repair, office work, even low end medical. They don`t require a high IQ, just a desire to have something above minimum wage. Even construction workers make a good wage and there`s all sorts of it going on around here.

    There are no stinking jobs...But open the paper...there is no work.

    Put down the paper and go online, that`s where most jobs are posted now. I can go to Indeed, Monster or a lot of other sites and finds thousands of jobs. Maybe they aren`t the jobs YOU want, but they are jobs that pay well over minimum wage. Sometimes you have to do what you don`t want to do to get by until something better comes along.
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    freddyferret Male 40-49
    11742 posts
    October 12, 2013 at 10:41 am
    Oh wait, you`re in Canada. I have no idea about the job market there. I`m talking about in the US.
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    film1201 Male 30-39
    9 posts
    October 12, 2013 at 11:58 am
    Freddyferrett is right and patchouly is wrong.
    I`m a super liberal, think Obama is doing a great job, and because of Obama and the plans he was able to get Congress to vote on, the American economy is recovering, jobs are being created every month, and the dow is going up. There are something close to 250,000 open jobs right now in the United States. Thing is, some jobs people don`t want, others they aren`t qualified for. There are three aspects of being "Smart", which is smarts, intelligent, and clever. Smart is just what you know, book knowledge, facts. Intelligence is the ability to process information using logic and understanding (this is what is tested for IQ, not smarts), and clever is the actual utilization of knowledge, how it is applied. Someone may not be intelligent enough to realize "Instead of thinking a company should pay me more for doing the same thing I`ve always done, I should learn a new skill or job that matches the pay I seek", but (t
  93. Profile photo of film1201
    film1201 Male 30-39
    9 posts
    October 12, 2013 at 12:04 pm
    (continued) every knows that more education = more money. People who got a degree and are now flipping burgers sadly failed at this, but the whole reason they got the degree was thinking it would bring them a career with more money. Her only answer for her and her daughter is a different job. Whatever raise she would get from McDonalds would be nothing to change her life. Once she accepts the paradigm that she isn`t going to get paid what she thinks she deserves because the company knows hundreds of people would take her job at her pay in seconds, she`ll shift her life plan and make a decision to change that isn`t so complacent and (as a liberal, I hate saying this) "entitled". She may try something and fail, but she won`t succeed on her current path. It just isn`t a job that pays well, and never will because of lack of skill required.
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    patchouly Male 40-49
    4746 posts
    October 12, 2013 at 12:42 pm
    @film1201,
    I disagree and think you are dead wrong. Again, the issue here is that there is no work. Every job out there is now part time, minimum wage. I know several carpenters and plumbers that are out of work. What`s currently available is the 20 hour a week, retail jobs (at minimum wage) and the part time factory work (at $12 an hour). Neither of those will help you support a family.

    I should also add that folks using the unemployment rate as a gauge doesn`t work. These guys have jobs, they`re just flipping burgers instead of what they were trained to do. They are making $10 an hour instead of $25.

    So...I ask again, what do you do about it? What is the solution?
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17515 posts
    October 12, 2013 at 1:33 pm
    patchouly: "the corporate fat cat is the bad guy who is purposely destroying the economy for his own, personal benefit, he is the one who needs to be stopped."

    Not true at all. Rich people want to invest it to make more money. What is holding them back, right now, is high risk and lower reward. Obama`s policies have resulted in entrepreneurship drying up.

    "Make 5 million a year instead of 7. Take that additional 2 and use it to pay your employees properly instead of being a greedy, economy ruining asshat."

    Any owner that is making that much per year, likely has, thousands of employees. So do the math. 2,000,000 / 1,000 = 2,000 that results in 96 cents more per hour, full-time. That`s not much is it?

    Let`s work it backwards now. $15hr. - $8hr. = $7hr. raise, times 1,000 employees, that`s $14,560,000. Your 5 million dollar a year owner would be broke, in the hole over -$9 million.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17515 posts
    October 12, 2013 at 1:35 pm

    Now, on top of all that, add the costs of Obamacare, onto the owner. Now please tell me, how the hell is he going to break even, let alone make a profit, without raising prices and in your words be a "economy ruining asshat."
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    jbwhite Male 18-29
    1292 posts
    October 12, 2013 at 2:08 pm
    wait, wait, wait... are we to assume mcdonalds is not a viable career choice in which to build a life and raise a family?

    how shocking.
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    patchouly Male 40-49
    4746 posts
    October 12, 2013 at 2:09 pm
    @CrakrJak, you are taking my hypothetical numbers and trying to use them as actual numbers. Surely you understand the point I`m making? If all of the folks at the top had more reasonable wages the wages at the bottom could come up a bit. And trust me, when you are making $10 an hour, another $1 an hour would make a HUGE difference. It equates to an additional $160 a month.

    As for "Obamacare", the whole thing is being done wrong IMO. You guys should have a Universal Health-care System like the rest of the civilized World. Forcing the employer to pay is not the way to work it. It should be tax funded like your garbage collection.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
    14273 posts
    October 12, 2013 at 4:52 pm
    Don`t bother to work hard and/or further educate yourself to be more valuable folks! Just spit out kids and live off the backs of others! If you do hold a menial job be sure to demand you get paid a wage that is in no way is worth what you do for it and blame the company for your extremely dumb life choices!!!!
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    Grendel Male 40-49
    5874 posts
    October 12, 2013 at 5:21 pm
    jops360-" they do for 20 years gets faster."

    Sorry, that`s not an abosolute. No matter how long on the job a lousy worker will still perform work in a lousy manner.

    jops360-" also did these people get raises?"

    Some did, if they were members of a Union (who protects lousy workers) or when the minimum wage whent up.

    jops360-" thats why i have no respect for management or loyalty for my job. .... im all about the money, screw them."

    See, that explains your ignorance. You`re an idiot. I can see why management will never respect you.

    jops360-"sounds like you just have it out for her."

    Actually could care less about her, but her whiney entittled attitude annoys me.

    jops360-"no matter the argument its always her fault "

    If you work at McDonald`s for 10 years and are still making crappy wages, it IS your fault.
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    Grendel Male 40-49
    5874 posts
    October 12, 2013 at 5:22 pm
    patchouly-"Take that additional 2 and use it to pay your employees properly"

    Yeah, that extra $1.11 A YEAR will make all the difference. ($2.0 million / 1.8 million employees....figure it out)

    patchouly-"job out there is now part time, minimum wage."

    Hmm..mine is full time (in fact, 70+ hours a week), and far more than minimum wage (never deal in absolutes)

    patchouly-" It should be tax funded like your garbage collection."

    Sorry, my garbage collection is not funded through taxes. (you seem to be severely missinformed).
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17515 posts
    October 12, 2013 at 6:12 pm
    patchouly: "Surely you understand the point I`m making?"

    Your "point" was hypothetical nonsense, so I tried to clarify things for you. But you dismissed my point out of hand. I`ve been on the receiving end of a $1hr. raise, and no it didn`t help much.

    "the bottom could come up a bit.", if we raised the standard of living by reducing taxes, eliminating stupid regulations, enacting tort reform and teaching job skills in our schools (instead of socialist ideology).
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    film1201 Male 30-39
    9 posts
    October 12, 2013 at 10:59 pm
    @Patchouly
    $1 raise isn`t going to make a life change. And there is work. People have to look at things outside of a fixed view of "I`m a plumber and I live in springfield, IL, so if there is no plumbing jobs in springfield, then there no jobs at all". I live in Atlanta. I just did a quick search for one job type-Accounting. 95 posting for accounting and bookkeeping were posted in the last 5 days. That one type of job in one area. some part time and some full time, some as low as $12/hr (bookkeeping) and as high as 95K a year (accountant). So what is my solution to the plumber that can`t plumb. . . learn accounting. Learn a new trade, look in other parts of the country. Jobs are out there. There is no debate about this, it`s a fact. And I don`t take insult, but I`m an employer living in America. I`m a business owner and to use a republican term, a job creator. I don`t have a boss, and generate business that keeps people employeed. You may disagree, but I`m
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    film1201 Male 30-39
    9 posts
    October 12, 2013 at 11:09 pm
    @Crakrjack
    You are right about the $1 raise thing, and your thing about raises is true. I employee 35 people. Average wage is between $13-$21 an hour based on position. As owner, I do 200K a year, but I built the business starting with 3 employees and worked a full lifetime already in hours. If I gave everyone a $1 raise, that is an extra $72,800 a year to spend, but because of competition, I can`t raise prices, so I would have to reduce my pay by a third so each employee gets an extra $160 a month. You are right in your numbers...
    But you are wrong about rich wanting to invest. Give a millionaire a million dollar break, there is a 15% chance of him or her actually reinvesting that money. Most just keep the money. That`s how the rich get richer. Obama`s health care plan is a good thing, and I support it. As a business owner who actually provides healthcare to his employees, Obamacare is actually going to lower my costs. Don`t listen to right wing radio, actually read
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    film1201 Male 30-39
    9 posts
    October 12, 2013 at 11:15 pm
    @Crakrjack continued
    Actually read the law. Don`t let someone you listen to on the radio or on Fox news give you some soundbites and say "It`s going to hurt America or it`s about freedom." Because of Obamacare, the healthcare insurance I pay for has already gone down 20%. Companies that reduce people to part time to get away with not providing insurance are immoral and unethical. I`m not sure if you or @Pachouly actually own a business, not work at a business, but actually OWN a business, but if you want to be successful, you need other people, employees, and those employees need to be healthy. An essential employee who misses work because they can`t see a doctor or get antibiotics can cost you money. I spend $220/month on health insurance per employee, but an absent employee costs me $1000 a day in revenue. Obamacare is the law, and it`s a good law, and the only businesses that will hurt are insurance companies used to selling a $350 hip part for $10,000
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    caper454 Female 70 & Over
    511 posts
    October 13, 2013 at 9:48 am
    Is it MacDonald`s fault that she has no education? Just askin`.
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    Draculya Male 40-49
    14544 posts
    October 13, 2013 at 12:05 pm
    Can they not simply eat cake?
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    Lebowski42 Male 18-29
    67 posts
    October 14, 2013 at 11:39 am
    Get a real job. Fast food is cheap crap, and sold on the cheap. Good for you "film1201" for creating an account to let us know how well ACA is working for your business. However, as a union employee, myself and a great deal of my bretheren are seeing our benefits cut r/t increased healthcare costs. If you are saving money it is likely because the new markets are driving down costs for those with little bargaining power, however, large employers and unions are seeing costs rise.
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    film1201 Male 30-39
    9 posts
    October 14, 2013 at 8:36 pm
    When did the unions loose bargaining power. That`s the whole point of a union, organized bargaining for pay, benefits, and work conditions. I`m not an expert, honestly, when it comes to unions, but it would seem that if insurance companies are bending the union over the barrel, it`s the fault of a weak union, not the ACA.
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    Issame Female 30-39
    112 posts
    October 15, 2013 at 2:40 pm
    @caper454
    Absolutely not. However, a tenure of a decade gaining her no more than 8 an hour is criminal, considering how much this company rakes in annually. Don`t start throwing `that`s what you get for being stupid` around. If you want to have an intelligent debate, _be_ intelligent.

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