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67 Responses to Is Your Halloween Costume Racist? [Pic/Infographic

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    spanz Male 50-59
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    October 29, 2013 at 3:32 pm
    Yeah, drat them if they can`t take a joke
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    whodat6484 Male 30-39
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    October 29, 2013 at 3:38 pm
    "Does it involve the use of blackface?"

    If blackface is racist then so is whiteface.


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    ajd121 Male 18-29
    625 posts
    October 29, 2013 at 3:55 pm
    Dressing up as a specific person should be OK, dressing up as a generic caricature of a race or ethnic group should not be OK.
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    Jake_Justus Male 50-59
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    October 29, 2013 at 3:56 pm

    If you can have this guy on millions of pizza boxes, you can wear a sombrero at Halloween ...

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    DrProfessor Male 18-29
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    October 29, 2013 at 4:18 pm
    @whodat6484 Just... watch this and tell me if you still feel that way.
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    ElMustache Male 18-29
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    October 29, 2013 at 4:44 pm
    No, Jake. It`s not even remotely the same. I don`t expect you to understand.

    An over whelming majority of IABers are white dudes, and you guys have no perspective of what it might be like for another race or gender. You don`t see Latinos, Asians, or African Americans dressing in Whiteface as William Wallace, or going as a Leprechaun, or with Leiderhose and a bobsled, etc. But yet, whenever someone says "hey man, brown/black/yellow face might be insensitive" what do all of you say?

    F*ck you, it`s just a joke. It`s just a costume.

    I`m not saying you can`t dress up as ethnic characters, a good costume is a good costume. I would love to see more tastefully done ethnic costumes. At least have the sensitivity and awareness to know that you are donning something that is not your own, and you should do it respectfully.

    Agree with ajd.
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    whodat6484 Male 30-39
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    October 29, 2013 at 4:51 pm
    @DrProfessor - I`m well aware of races being caricatured throughout history. If it`s considered racist for group A to imitate group B, then the same must be true if the roles are reversed. Otherwise you have what is called a double standard. It`s not that hard to figure out.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    October 29, 2013 at 5:04 pm
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    Swaywithme Female 18-29
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    October 29, 2013 at 5:16 pm
    There is no difference between painting yourself dark brown to cosplay as a real or fictional character or painting yourself blue to be an x-men, it`s not generalizing a race, it`s a fact about a single person and I hate that people get in poop for this.
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    SmagBoy1 Male 40-49
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    October 29, 2013 at 5:45 pm
    Hey, ElMustache, I`m a white dude, and I totally get it. So let`s generalize, mmmm-kay? Thing is, when something has been used to demean (specifically, blackface), and for decades in popular white entertainment, then, yeah, it`s effing racist. And anyone who doesn`t get that probably says the Confederate flag isn`t a racist symbol, either ("What, it`s part of my heritage!"). Not understanding history is not an excuse.

    Point is, please don`t generalize. It`s not as bad as a white person doing black face, but dang.
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    SmagBoy1 Male 40-49
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    October 29, 2013 at 5:46 pm
    @whodat6484: "If it`s considered racist for group A to imitate group B, then the same must be true if the roles are reversed."

    The logic is weak with you, isn`t it?
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    Jowsh Male 18-29
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    October 29, 2013 at 5:46 pm
    Ha, sexy that race
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    Jowsh Male 18-29
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    October 29, 2013 at 5:47 pm
    @whodat I can only imagine the uproar surrounding "Black Chicks"
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    ggolbez Male 18-29
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    October 29, 2013 at 6:13 pm
    Women dig Quailman, though.

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    whodat6484 Male 30-39
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    October 29, 2013 at 6:52 pm
    @SmagBoy1 - No, the logic is weak with you. You`re saying that...

    This = Racist




    ...and...


    This = NOT Racist


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    DrProfessor Male 18-29
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    October 29, 2013 at 7:22 pm
    @whodat6484--It *would* be if white people and black people had always been on completely equal terms. While the process of imitating a race (even white) is in and of itself somewhat offensive, and generally tasteless, the point here is that blackface is offensive to a much larger degree.

    Why? Because it was used to degrade and dehumanize people entirely on account of their skin color. It was used to create stereotypes that perpetuate even into the present day, albeit in different, less obvious forms. It reminds those people of the disparity in power that existed, and the horrors their people endured in this country.

    That`s what makes it more of a sore point than someone in whiteface. Nobody ever used whiteface that way. If there was a country in which things were reversed, it would be just as inappropriate.

    That`s what people, especially on this website, never seem to understand. They try to look at things in a vacuum, and you can`t do that.
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    HumanAction Male 18-29
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    October 29, 2013 at 7:23 pm
    It`s not often I agree with @whodat, but when I do, I prefer it to be about racism (or lack thereof).

    @Smagboy

    Not understanding history is not an excuse.
    I`m not entirely convinced that you understood the primary reasons the South attempted to secede from the Union. For example, are you aware that the Civil War began (and the Confederate Flag existed) well before the Emancipation Proclamation was even dreamt up?

    I think that means that the flag isn`t racist and that the Civil War wasn`t about the racist South.
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    HumanAction Male 18-29
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    October 29, 2013 at 7:38 pm
    @DrProfessor

    It *would* be if white people and black people had always been on completely equal terms.
    This a ridiculous and completely unattainable standard. Never in history have any two groups met this criteria.

    Is it offensive to dress as a woman? They`ve certainly had a rough hundred or so thousand of years.
    Is it offensive to dress as an Irishman? They were discriminated against in the US.
    Is it offensive to dress as a lumberjack? In doing so, you`d almost certainly be perpetuating an unfair stereotype in some manner.

    Let`s face it, in all of history, women have had a much worse time than black people. In many parts of the world, they`re still essentially slaves. Somehow, though, they`ve managed to grow a pair big enough to allow them to handle a few guys dressings up for one night a year.
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    SmagBoy1 Male 40-49
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    October 29, 2013 at 7:41 pm
    HumanAction, do you understand that what the Civil War was about and the reemergence of the Confederate flag as a symbol of the KKK are two separate issues separated by several decades? Do you understand that the Confederate flag had all but died out and was no longer seen until the KKK repurposed it? Please read up on racist history in our country before you presume to lecture me on the secession.
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    SmagBoy1 Male 40-49
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    October 29, 2013 at 7:42 pm
    That`s exactly right, whodat6484. The black face is racist, the white face is not. That you don`t understand that is not only sad, it`s entirely predictable.
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    HumanAction Male 18-29
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    October 29, 2013 at 7:46 pm
    @SmagBoy

    Since you`ve apparently forgotten what you wrote earlier, allow me to repost it:

    anyone who doesn`t get that probably says the Confederate flag isn`t a racist symbol
    Ah, so you`re essentially suggesting that the Confederate flag is absolutely a racist symbol. Yet, how can this be? The flag was made by people who started a war that had nothing to do with race or slavery.

    Ah, but you say it`s been repurposed via the KKK and that it`s completely lost its meaning. Well *of course* it has. Despite having nothing to do with racism or slavery at the time of its conception, *of course* the flag can only mean one thing - that black people suck.

    I`m not entirely sure you`ll have picked up on the sarcasm, so, that last paragraph was written sarcastically. Don`t say I never did anything for you.
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    whodat6484 Male 30-39
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    October 29, 2013 at 7:47 pm
    @SmagBoy1 - It`s whiny little apologists like you who keep this problem front and center. As long as that double standard exists no one will ever truly be equal.
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    HOBYandy Male 18-29
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    October 29, 2013 at 8:02 pm
    I`d comment, but I`ve already said everything I needed to in the last race/costume related post.
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    HOBYandy Male 18-29
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    October 29, 2013 at 8:03 pm
    Well... I guess I just made a comment to explain that... You know what I mean though.
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    jtrebowski Male 40-49
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    October 29, 2013 at 8:11 pm
    A few years ago, I attached some tea bags to a cap with the confederate flag on it, and carried a nerf gun, and a sign that said "Obama is an Kenyan mooslimb soshulist". It tool a full hour until they realized I was making fun of them, and that, folks, is how to find out how easily offended conservatives are too.
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    LuckyDave Male 18-29
    675 posts
    October 29, 2013 at 9:10 pm
    If you go in blackface as a specific person, say Lil` Wayne, then black people aren`t the costume, Lil` Wayne is. Besides, no one should care if the costume is racist, are you? No? Then enjoy the one night of the year where it is acceptable for women to go out in public dressed as sluts, and no one cares. If they can do that, dress however the hell you want.

    PS @HumanAction

    The Swastica.

    Where is your God now?
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    Grendel Male 40-49
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    October 29, 2013 at 9:23 pm
    SmagBoy1-"The black face is racist, the white face is not."

    And that is why there will always be a schism.

    Either both are, or both are not.

    The double-standard goes back to the `We want to be equal, except for privilages.`
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    FredSpudman Male 18-29
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    October 30, 2013 at 2:39 am
    @LuckyDave The swastika is an ancient Indian symbol espoused by the Nazis for their own cynical ends. It`s identical to the Stars and Bars in that respect. You were saying something about a god?
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    som-tam Male 18-29
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    October 30, 2013 at 2:46 am
    @jtrebowski: That... that never happened, did it.
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    som-tam Male 18-29
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    October 30, 2013 at 3:05 am
    so... if you are this colour you can do something but if you are that colour you can`t do that same thing because some people that were the same colour as you did a mean thing to the people of the colour that can do the thing.

    We should harking back to the past to justify double standards, and to shame people into feeling guilty for something they didn`t do, most likely are not descended from the people who did it and can objectively be described as not hating or discriminating against people of different races.

    We might start to see more harmony if resentment and hatred were not continuously stirred up by the people who claim to be against such things.
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    TheOrigin Male 18-29
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    October 30, 2013 at 3:34 am
    som-tam

    I`d like to start clapping really slowly right now. Well said, very well said.
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    PeekaBOOM Male 30-39
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    October 30, 2013 at 5:28 am

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    Wonderwmn Female 18-29
    164 posts
    October 30, 2013 at 6:22 am
    They took all the fun out of Halloween :( It`s ok for blacks to dress up as whites, but if whites dress up as blacks... SHAME ON YOU!!
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    FredSpudman Male 18-29
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    October 30, 2013 at 6:56 am
    @Wonderwmn Who are "they"? And do blacks often "white up" for Halloween and such? Are you seriously suggesting Halloween was only fun when you could black up?
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    October 30, 2013 at 7:06 am
    @FredSpudman

    Halloween LOL some make a career out of it! VV


    Culture of double standards.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    October 30, 2013 at 7:08 am
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    LuckyDave Male 18-29
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    October 30, 2013 at 8:15 am
    Yes Fred, another symbol that has lost most of its meaning because of actions taken by someone else.

    Still looking for your God.
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    HumanAction Male 18-29
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    October 30, 2013 at 8:28 am
    @LuckyDave

    The swastika is still widely used in a variety of religions (Hinduism, Buddhism, could be more). The context of its usage decides the intent of the symbol; this was my point to SmagBoy.

    You should not dismiss the swastika as wholly anti-Semitic nor should you dismiss the Confederate flag as wholly racist. While it`s possible they can be used in such a context, the symbols alone are not malicious.

    For example, few of us would consider a thumbs up to be offensive. Yet, in the Middle East, it is so (or so I`m told). Therefore, the symbol itself cannot be offensive; rather, the context in which it is used can be.
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    LordJim Male 60-69
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    October 30, 2013 at 9:07 am
    I thought the point of halloween costumes was to come to the event as something scary. Sexy-scary would be a bonus.

    A lot of the comments here seem to be saying `How far can I go in stereotyping/mocking another race/culture and still indignantly claim not to be racist.?`

    Just like a lot of comments about rape seem to be asking `How far can I go and still get away with saying it wasn`t rape?`

    I`m basically Scots and if someone decides to wear a kilt, sporran and ginger wig I`m not offended. So If I decide to stick a yellow star onto a pair of striped pyjamas, stencil a number onto my arm. apply a little gaunt make-up and show up as a concentration camp inmate that should be OK and beyond criticism because I`m OK with non-scots wearing humorous kilts? We wouldn`t want any double standards, would we?

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    LordJim Male 60-69
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    October 30, 2013 at 9:11 am
    McGovern1981

    Not getting the cultural references. I guess I didn`t see the movie.

    Somebody I`ve never heard of whited-up in a movie I never saw so black-face is now fine and not racist?

    OK. Logic.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    October 30, 2013 at 9:21 am
    @LordJim

    Well lets see one is making light of a genocide. Which would actually be a pretty good costume if you were like a zombie too! The other is a people crying racist over something they do the exact same thing with but claim it`s not racist somehow because it`s white. Either stop doing both or shut the f uck up and don`t be a perpetually offended pussy.
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    LordJim Male 60-69
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    October 30, 2013 at 9:24 am
    HumanActionThe swastika is still widely used in a variety of religions (Hinduism, Buddhism, could be more). The context of its usage decides the intent of the symbol..`

    I once saw a tourist with a swastika pendant try to argue that point in a bus in Israel. It did not go well for him.

    If your costume pisses off a significant number of people then you are either;

    a) a hip, witty, transgressive and ironic intellectual who is heroically defending freedom of expression by refusing to bend to political correctness and double standards.

    or

    b) A bigot who thinks they can get a pass once a year.

    Actually, it just b).

    `
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    October 30, 2013 at 9:25 am
    @LuckyDave: The swastika is a "basic geometric design" that has been around since writing was invented.
    When used IN CONTEXT with Nazism? Then it`s "bad".
    There`s countless 100+ year old items and pictures with the swastika in it`s various forms on them. They PRE-DATE Nazism! HOW could they be considered "Nazi symbols"?



    "Old Navajo Blanket"



    The "Windsor Swastikas" Hockey team: 1910.

    -My- God is a mysterious creature... ;-)
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    October 30, 2013 at 9:26 am

    Somebody I`ve never heard of whited-up in a movie I never saw so black-face is now fine and not racist?

    SO cause you`ve never seen it or heard of them it can`t be racist making white face not and black face racist.... OK, logic indeed!


    Never heard of Eddy Murphy, Dave Chapple, Keenen Ivory Wayans or Shawn Wayans amongst many others who`ve done it WOW!
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    LordJim Male 60-69
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    October 30, 2013 at 9:30 am
    HumanAction

    Women who refuse to be subordinated have ... `grown a pair.` What?
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    October 30, 2013 at 9:30 am
    b) A bigot who thinks they can get a pass once a year.

    Actually, it just b).

    Unless your black following your logic.


    Seem your beloved prince is a bigot BTW...
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    LordJim Male 60-69
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    October 30, 2013 at 9:32 am
    I`ve heard of two of those people.
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    HumanAction Male 18-29
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    October 30, 2013 at 9:35 am
    @LordJim

    Women who refuse to be subordinated have ... `grown a pair.` What?
    I see that you`ve added `sense of humor` to the list of attributes you do not possess. Kudos.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    October 30, 2013 at 9:37 am
    Sexy-scary would be a bonus.
    @LordJim: Quite correct!! Also good are:
    Funny-Scary
    Thoughtful-Scary
    Ironic-Scary (very rare)

    Apparently in that movie? A white guy gets the role of a black man despite many blacks trying out for it. So he wears "blackface" to be "blacker than the blacks are". I haven`t seen it either.

    a tourist with a swastika pendant try to argue that point in a bus in Israel.

    CONTEXT MAN!
    If a woman visits MANY (not every) African nations? She WILL NOT wear pants - or else! It is TABOO!
    Walk around the streets of Mecca with a "Picture of Mohammed" t-shirt? Yeah, good luck!



    No! Not THAT Muhammad! lolz! Although it would also be illegal in Mecca...

    IRONY ALERT: A -white Muhammad Ali- t-shirt... :-)
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    LordJim Male 60-69
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    October 30, 2013 at 9:46 am
    McGovern1981

    My beloved prince? I`m a republican.
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    LordJim Male 60-69
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    October 30, 2013 at 10:08 am
    CONTEXT MAN!

    Yes, what is acceptable at a white supremacist social gathering might draw criticism anywhere else. Context.
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    LordJim Male 60-69
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    October 30, 2013 at 10:29 am
    HumanAction

    Kudos? Are we still saying kudos? Wht was your point?
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    HumanAction Male 18-29
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    October 30, 2013 at 10:51 am
    @LordJim

    Kudos? Are we still saying kudos? Wht was your point?
    I suppose we are since I`ve said it once, and you twice now. My point was to provide you with the reclame you apparently desire so.
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    LordJim Male 60-69
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    October 30, 2013 at 11:39 am
    Reclame? Is that some sort of knitting pattern? I have no idea what you are talking about.
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    HumanAction Male 18-29
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    October 30, 2013 at 11:55 am
    @LordJim

    Reclame? Is that some sort of knitting pattern?
    Reclame is public acknowledgement/attention. You could have found that definition without my help.
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    LordJim Male 60-69
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    October 30, 2013 at 12:21 pm
    OK. I`m reclame.
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    LuckyDave Male 18-29
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    October 30, 2013 at 12:49 pm
    Here`s the problem with the swastika(*), it -needs- context. If you place it in a Hindu or Buddhist context it is understood and fine, but without context it is often seen as a sign of white supremacy. Now the Confederate flag on the other hand, since we want to get down to the roots of each symbol, is a symbol of rebellion, separation from the Union, and everything the Confederacy stood for. Like it or not one of those beliefs was slavery, so you cannot fault someone for seeing it as a symbol of such. We can get into a philosophical conversation about symbols and signs but my point is that symbols get lost in their own context, regardless of what anyone elses context is someone will likely be offended no matter your intent. You may disagree with the person but they still have a point, however small.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    October 30, 2013 at 12:50 pm
    CONTEXT MAN!

    The context of what we were talking about shows it`s a blatant double standard.
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    LuckyDave Male 18-29
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    October 30, 2013 at 12:55 pm
    By the way, if we really want to confuse people, go as a blackface gay Jewish SS officer for Halloween.
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    madduck Female 50-59
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    October 30, 2013 at 1:03 pm
    I like living over here- I get to wear my nice black velvet evening gown, a drop of talc for powder mauve eyeshadow and that is me sorted.
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    ghoulie11 Male 18-29
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    October 30, 2013 at 2:22 pm
    @LuckyDave

    That doesn`t mean that a person doesn`t have the right to wear whatever they want. In context or not, it`s not against the law to offend somebody else`s sensibilities.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    October 30, 2013 at 8:31 pm
    @LuckyDave: It does "need context" that much is true! I agree! it is indeed associated with a VERY BAD thing.

    But... that means that it IS INDEED `ok` in some other situations, yes?

    So... it`s NOT `inherently evil`... correct?
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    LuckyDave Male 18-29
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    October 30, 2013 at 8:39 pm
    @5cats
    I never meant to imply that it is inherently evil, only that it is entirely understandable why someone would find it unsettling.

    @ghoulie11
    Said to the man who suggested you dress in as many racist costumes as you can.
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    Draculya Male 40-49
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    October 30, 2013 at 9:11 pm
    I`d like to point out the cross was also a Nazi symbol. Why ban a eastern religious symbol and not the cross?
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    HarryDresden Male 18-29
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    October 31, 2013 at 8:57 am
    hmm good thing i didn`t make a red skull costume this year then
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    October 31, 2013 at 3:21 pm
    @HarryDresden:



    I KNOW! He SMOKES!! That`s going to offend lots of people!!! ;-)

    @LuckyDave: Yes, people MIGHT BE offended, it`s a risk, that is true! But to say a symbol must be banned because it "might offend"? That`s just not OK!

    By the way? I`m offended by the Letter "M". It violates my religious beliefs. I hereby demand it be removed from use... see?

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