The best in arts & entertainment, news, pop culture, and your mom since 2002.

[Total: 11    Average: 3.3/5]
26 Comments - View/Add
Hits: 4503
Rating: 3.3
Category:
Date: 10/12/13 02:44 PM

26 Responses to Happy Columbus Day! [Pic+]

  1. Profile photo of HolyGod
    HolyGod Male 30-39
    6712 posts
    October 12, 2013 at 2:45 pm
    Link: Happy Columbus Day! - Wait.... WHAT?!?!
  2. Profile photo of RdDan
    RdDan Male 30-39
    759 posts
    October 12, 2013 at 4:00 pm
    I had no idea....what a barstardd.
  3. Profile photo of drawman61
    drawman61 Male 50-59
    7738 posts
    October 12, 2013 at 4:39 pm
    So conquering and governing as he pleased pretty much set the precedent for the American way.
  4. Profile photo of CaptKangaroo
    CaptKangaroo Male 50-59
    2343 posts
    October 12, 2013 at 4:41 pm
    1491 by Charles C Mann is a pretty good read; Doesn`t go into Columbus in much depth, but does discuss the wholesale destruction of numerous cultures, the deaths of tens of millions of people and the ecological disaster that the European incursion on the `new` world wrought.
    Discusses those dead cultures and how those folks shaped their environments- good stuff.
  5. Profile photo of CaptKangaroo
    CaptKangaroo Male 50-59
    2343 posts
    October 12, 2013 at 4:46 pm
    drawnman61- yepper, we`re following in the rich
    European tradition- we just ain`t been at it for a millennium yet- too bad you can`t say the same you euro-trash douchebag.
  6. Profile photo of 747Pilot
    747Pilot Male 18-29
    1455 posts
    October 12, 2013 at 5:34 pm
    Happy Bartolomé day!
  7. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17514 posts
    October 12, 2013 at 5:49 pm
    Liberals love to heap all the blame of europe`s colonization horrors upon Columbus.

    Also, people didn`t "know" the earth was round. It was an unproven hypothesis. Many knew the world was "curved", aka roundish, but they did not know, for a fact, whether or not it was a complete sphere.

    Few knew there were lands to the west. For all most "educated" people knew the west was just one giant endless ocean. Isabella didn`t even believe Columbus would make landfall anywhere. She figured he`d sail out west a while, give up, and turn back.

    Columbus was no saint, few were, he was a man of his time and he viewed the "indians" as pagan savages to be exploited. That attitude was no different than most that came after him.

    "So conquering and governing as he pleased pretty much set the precedent for the American way."

    America is no conquering nation, please shelve your petty anti-American bigotry.
  8. Profile photo of HolyGod
    HolyGod Male 30-39
    6712 posts
    October 12, 2013 at 6:15 pm
    Crakr

    "That attitude was no different than most that came after him."

    Dude. Did you actually read the whole thing?

    I knew about the flat earth myth. I knew about the slaves. I didn`t know about the pre-pubescent sex slaves and chopped off hand necklaces.

    I can`t believe that is just "no different".
  9. Profile photo of djwajda
    djwajda Male 40-49
    885 posts
    October 12, 2013 at 10:32 pm
    So conquering and governing as he pleased pretty much set the precedent for the American way

    Nah, he was just following well established `pean ways of doing things.

    @HG

    Good post. I was like you I`d heard a lot but didn`t know about the hand thing.
  10. Profile photo of OldOllie
    OldOllie Male 60-69
    15841 posts
    October 12, 2013 at 10:57 pm
    Except that Abraham Lincoln does not have a federal holiday. In fact, the ONLY American who has a federal holiday is the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. You`d think that would make them happy, but nooooooooooooooooo...
  11. Profile photo of som-tam
    som-tam Male 18-29
    714 posts
    October 12, 2013 at 11:55 pm
    @Crakrjak: Yes, it was a proven theory. people knew the earth was round and the evidence was the horizon. Furthermore, the whole point of the expedition was to find a quicker route through to India, hence `The west indies`.
  12. Profile photo of Zieveraar
    Zieveraar Male 30-39
    415 posts
    October 13, 2013 at 2:42 am
    Cutting of hands for a necklace? Who would damage his slaves like that? Just how much of this is true and what will they say in twenty years? History is a tricky business, way too many guesses on how it used to be.

    @CaptKangaroo: agreed, although Europe`s been at it for well more than a millennium.

    @CrakrJack: A conquering nation, no, a warring nation, heck yes. Just how many wars did the US partake in since its creation?
  13. Profile photo of Nickel2
    Nickel2 Male 50-59
    5879 posts
    October 13, 2013 at 2:48 am
    This is rubbish.
    Everyone knows that the British were responsible for slavery, world domination and everything unsavoury. I should know, I`m British, and it is my duty to uphold any story and tradition regardless of who made it up, and how stupid it is.
  14. Profile photo of Draculya
    Draculya Male 40-49
    14620 posts
    October 13, 2013 at 3:55 am
    "This is rubbish.
    Everyone knows that the British were responsible for slavery, world domination and everything unsavoury. I should know, I`m British, and it is my duty to uphold any story and tradition regardless of who made it up, and how stupid it is."

    It`s called the triangular trade, old chap
  15. Profile photo of ruthless1990
    ruthless1990 Female 18-29
    3001 posts
    October 13, 2013 at 4:35 am
    I love the oatmeal, what a guy
  16. Profile photo of Rodin
    Rodin Male 30-39
    710 posts
    October 13, 2013 at 6:25 am
    @CrakrJak: "America is no conquering nation"

    Seriously? You should read "Confessions of an Economic Hitman"
  17. Profile photo of liabach
    liabach Male 40-49
    3242 posts
    October 13, 2013 at 8:01 am
    Dissin` a federal holiday? I bet this guy will never receive mail again.
  18. Profile photo of Angilion
    Angilion Male 40-49
    12387 posts
    October 13, 2013 at 9:22 am
    Also, people didn`t "know" the earth was round. It was an unproven hypothesis. Many knew the world was "curved", aka roundish, but they did not know, for a fact, whether or not it was a complete sphere.

    You are wrong. Again. It`s that simple. You are repeatedly wrong because you always act on faith rather than evidence.

    The earliest *known* *extant* absolute *proof* that the world is round was written in ancient Greece and it was indeed ~2000 years before Columbus was born.

    The earliest *known* *extant* calculation of the *size* of the Earth came more than 1600 years before Columbus.

    Note my emphasis - it`s definitely possible that earlier absolute proofs existed but have been lost over time. These are the earliest proofs that we know of now.

    But people *knew* the world was not flat long before then, using observation and deduction. The ancient Greek proofs weren`t a new idea, they were formal proofs
  19. Profile photo of Angilion
    Angilion Male 40-49
    12387 posts
    October 13, 2013 at 9:33 am
    The ancient Greek formal proof of the shape of the Earth was based on astronomical observations and mathematics. The proof is lengthy, but here`s a summary of it:

    The shadow of the Earth on the moon is always a segment of a circle, regardless of the angles involved. The only shape which casts a circular shadow from all angles is a sphere. Therefore the Earth is spherical.

    The size of the Earth was calculated by a comparison between the shadows cast at the same time in different places on the Earth. Due to the curvature of the Earth, there are slight differences in the shadows. Using those differences, you can calculate the angle between the two places. Using that angle and the distance between the places, you can calculate the size of the Earth.

    The methods are perfect. They are formal proofs. They are not unproven hypotheses. You are wrong.

    There was a small degree of inaccuracy, but that`s due to the limits of observation with the naked ey
  20. Profile photo of CrakrJak
    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17514 posts
    October 13, 2013 at 2:25 pm
    son-tam: "Yes, it was a proven theory."

    No, no it wasn`t. It wasn`t proven until Magellan circumnavigated the globe. As I said, they knew the earth was curved, but couldn`t accurately measure that curve by sight. Therefore there were several theories as to how large the earth might be.

    Eratosthenes made a good guess, and he turned out in the end to be the most accurate, but that wasn`t known to be a FACT until much later.

    "Some claim Eratosthenes used the Egyptian stade of 157.5 meters, which would imply a circumference of 39,690 km, an error of 1.6%, but the 185 meter Attic stade is the most commonly accepted value for the length of the stade used by Eratosthenes in his measurements of the Earth, which imply a circumference of 46,620 km, which is off the actual circumference by 16.3%. However, it is impossible Eratosthenes got an accurate measurement of the circumference of the earth." - Wikipedia
  21. Profile photo of HolyGod
    HolyGod Male 30-39
    6712 posts
    October 13, 2013 at 2:39 pm
    Crakr

    Here is your argument style:

    Make a statement: "people didn`t "know" the earth was round."

    Get told that you are unequivocally wrong.

    COMPLETELY change your argument "there were several theories as to how large the earth might be"

    So I say people knew the shape. You say they didn`t know the shape. Everyone disagrees with you because you are completely wrong. Then you respond by saying you`re right people didn`t know the size.

    SIZE =/= SHAPE
  22. Profile photo of Angilion
    Angilion Male 40-49
    12387 posts
    October 13, 2013 at 5:35 pm
    CrakrJak, you`re making things up again.

    here`s what you wrote:

    Also, people didn`t "know" the earth was round. It was an unproven hypothesis.

    Just a few posts later, you`re claiming that you wrote something completely different:

    Therefore there were several theories as to how large the earth might be.

    As usual, you are not consistent with either yourself or reality. You change your position on an ad hoc basis in response to proof that you are wrong.

    I have no doubt that next time the subject arises you will revert to claiming that people didn`t know that the Earth is round. If someone proves you wrong again, in that future thread, you`ll probably do the same thing you`ve done here - shift the goalposts and make untrue statements about what you wrote.

    You`re canny enough to know that it`s easier to make a false statement than to prove it wrong, so you`re right to just keep on as you
  23. Profile photo of Angilion
    Angilion Male 40-49
    12387 posts
    October 13, 2013 at 5:45 pm
    It wasn`t proven until Magellan circumnavigated the globe.

    That statement is false. I gave an outline of the oldest extant proof just a couple of posts ago. It was nearly 2000 years before Columbus.
  24. Profile photo of Angilion
    Angilion Male 40-49
    12387 posts
    October 13, 2013 at 5:51 pm
    Eratosthenes made a good guess

    Another false statement.

    Eratosthenes was not guessing. If you had any knowledge of the subject you would know that. if you had any interest in the truth, you would have checked.

    Eratosthenes deduced a method for calculating the size of the Earth. It was not a guess. It was a logical deduction stemming from observations and a knowledge of maths. The method involved a repeated experiment and maths. It was not in any way, shape or form a guess.

    The inaccuracy is due to the limitations of technology and resources available to him, particularly that he could not very accurately measure the distance between two cities. But the method is correct and his results are not a guess.
  25. Profile photo of McGovern1981
    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
    14268 posts
    October 14, 2013 at 7:03 am
    Who the hell has this day off I don`t!?!?! Oh ya school children, banks and some useless government employees pretty BS holiday.
  26. Profile photo of normalfreak2
    normalfreak2 Male 18-29
    3868 posts
    October 14, 2013 at 9:25 am
    Crakrjak

    Just like his namesake big promises little on the actual content.

Leave a Reply