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Date: 10/16/13 05:41 PM

31 Responses to Eating With Vegans [Pic]

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    SweepOfDeath Male 18-29
    938 posts
    October 16, 2013 at 5:44 pm
    Link: Eating With Vegans - He still asked if it was gluten free. I shoved a rusty fork in his eye.
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    CaptKangaroo Male 50-59
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    October 16, 2013 at 6:14 pm
    ... I went to a doctors office and saw a bunch of omnivores, each on a buttload of medications to combat the deleterious effects of the S.(standard)A(American). D(Diet). they insist upon.
    Morbid obesity, diabetes, heart disease, strokes... Yeah, stuff another piece of bacon in yer maw.
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    uatme Male 18-29
    1074 posts
    October 16, 2013 at 6:18 pm
    @CaptKangaroo obviously a balanced diet is best. As someone who definitely eats too much meat, the majority of food related health problems is not caused by meat, its caused by lots of sugar and not enough nutrients.
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    honkeylips Male 30-39
    1586 posts
    October 16, 2013 at 6:28 pm
    @CaptKangaroo I`m one of these omnivores you speak of and I`m perfectly healthy. We were built to eat meat and plants it`s just the way it works.
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    Dad4Life Male 50-59
    2086 posts
    October 16, 2013 at 6:37 pm
    I don`t understand the logic of being a vegan. It`s like they are just trying to be a dick.
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    AvatarJohn Male 30-39
    1059 posts
    October 16, 2013 at 8:02 pm
    Vegan isn`t so bad. After all, you can still eat chicken and gelato, right?
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    Thyryst Male 18-29
    19 posts
    October 16, 2013 at 9:02 pm
    Nice Scott Pilgrim reference, AvatarJohn. This is always my first thought when I hear the word VEGAN, too.
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    MrOrange Male 30-39
    2402 posts
    October 16, 2013 at 10:06 pm
    yeah i love it how meatheads think we are supposed to eat meat.. you go right ahead, keep telling me how unhealthy i am, you fat drat who can`t walk for more then an 100 meters without breaking into a sweat.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    October 17, 2013 at 12:25 am
    We evolved incisors to rip flesh.

    We are meant to eat all foods.

    Our Appendix no longer functions, because we aren`t meant to eat that many grassy foods, which the Appendix helped when we were very, very primitive.
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    Nickel2 Male 50-59
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    October 17, 2013 at 2:38 am
    I have evolved to be at the top of the food-chain. I am designed to eat everything and anything in order to survive. If I eat all veg, then I am depriving some poor animal further down the chain: If I eat all meat, I am depriving my fellows at the top of the chain, therefore I eat everything.
    Included in the `everything` is sugar and it`s products. These are what will kill me; beer, pies, pastries, cakes, crisps, biscuits etc.
    Other things that will kill me include; cars, buses, lightning, gas, fire, flood etc etc.
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    Sleepyhallow Male 50-59
    1983 posts
    October 17, 2013 at 2:44 am
    @SCFan ~ The logic is that you feel it is immoral to use another living animal for any reason.

    Even if you are not killing it for food, you are still typically abusing the animal for the food stuff it provides.

    So, in the same way that you would NEVER take from another person, you would also NEVER take from another animal.

    If it is not freely given, then you do not have a right to take it.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
    14268 posts
    October 17, 2013 at 5:42 am
    yeah i love it how meatheads think we are supposed to eat meat.. you go right ahead, keep telling me how unhealthy i am, you fat drat who can`t walk for more then an 100 meters without breaking into a sweat.

    Geee someone taking the misery of their diet out onto others. When will you be telling my cat how out of shape he is and him he should eat all soylent tofu products...wait can you pussies even eat that?
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    TruTenrMan Male 30-39
    2553 posts
    October 17, 2013 at 5:58 am
    Not to mention the slow evolution of wisdom teeth no longer growing. Y`know, the extra molars we had to help grind more coarse vegetable matter. Yeah, no longer need them.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    October 17, 2013 at 6:16 am

    My boy`s getting married to a vegetarian. I was looking for a gift and saw an item she registered that made me question her commitment. What does a vegetarian need with steak knives?
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    sutra46 Female 40-49
    2550 posts
    October 17, 2013 at 8:40 am
    I have absolutely no judgement of what diet one chooses, though these are the facts eating vegetarian diet is environmentally friendly and vegetarians evidently enjoy better health (am sure some moron will post about how healthy he is on steak and eggs and bully to ya)
    Been vegetarian most of my life, have enjoyed fish and an occasional lamb.
    recently gone vegetarian again and I feel so much better.
    Don`t knock it till you try it.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
    14268 posts
    October 17, 2013 at 9:30 am
    though these are the facts eating vegetarian diet is environmentally friendly


    and vegetarians evidently enjoy better health

    According to vegetarians...... your not quite as bad as vegans though.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
    14268 posts
    October 17, 2013 at 9:35 am
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    Angilion Male 40-49
    12387 posts
    October 17, 2013 at 10:21 am
    vegetarians evidently enjoy better health

    That depends on how they`re doing it.

    It is fundamentally more difficult for humans to meet their nutritional needs from eating only plants, because we are physiologically adapted to being omnivores. Strictly speaking it`s impossible because of B12, but contamination of food and water could provide that in the wild.

    Because it`s fundamentally more difficult, anyone who does it properly will *have* to eat a balanced, nutritious diet...and *that`s* what makes it a healthier diet.

    Also, people who are purely vegetarian have to take more care with their diet anyway in order to avoid animal-based food, so again there`s an inbuilt requirement for taking more care with your diet.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
    12387 posts
    October 17, 2013 at 10:34 am
    So yeah, B12.

    There are NO plant sources of B12 that humans can use. None. At all. Some plants have some similar chemicals, but they`re not the same.

    Humans store and re-use B12 very efficiently, so switching to a diet devoid of B12 will not have immediate effects. You will gradually deteriorate, a process which might take several *years*. Since the deteriotation is gradual, it can easily go un-noticed until you hit the really major effects such as mood swings, reduced intelligence, memory loss, dementia...oh, and add in pernicious anemia and a whole slew of other problems. By that time, hard luck, the damage is done to nervous tissue and is probably permanent to some extent.

    One brief summary here:

    B12 deficiency

    Healthy diet? Only if you take care...just like an omnivorous die
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    Angilion Male 40-49
    12387 posts
    October 17, 2013 at 10:41 am
    Here`s a quick and rough way to get some idea of whether or not you know enough to seriously consider a purely vegetarian diet:

    1) Do you know about B12?

    2) Do you know why it`s easy to eat much more protein than your body`s requirements for proteins and still be deficient in protein? Note the plural - it`s not a mistake. There are millions of proteins and your body never directly uses any of the proteins you eat. You need to know what it does with them, what essential amino acids are and why vegetarians can`t use the "eat enough protein" simplification that omnivores can.

    3) Do you know what other nutrients are difficult to obtain from plants and which plants you need to eat in what quantities in order to get them? Iron is the best known one, but it`s not the only one and it`s not even the most problematical one (that`s calcium).

    Humans are versatile omnivores and can get everything other than B12 from plants, but you need to know w
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    Angilion Male 40-49
    12387 posts
    October 17, 2013 at 10:47 am
    Oh yeah, last thing.

    I mentioned that contamination of food and water in the wild could provide enough B12. That`s because the dung of many animals (including humans) contains B12 in a form humans can use. B12 is a byproduct of some bacteria, some of which are in the guts of many animals (including humans). They`re further along than the part of the digestive system that extracts B12, so we can`t use the B12 they produce other than by eating dung.

    Personally, I`d prefer to take B12 supplements made in a lab (they grow vats of bacteria and harvest and purify the B12), but if you want a natural purely vegatarian diet you`ll have to eat some poop. Not much poop (human B12 requirements are tiny), but still...it`s poop.
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    broizfam Male 60-69
    4891 posts
    October 17, 2013 at 11:11 am
    @Gerry,
    If your vegetarian daughter-in-law to be wants steak knives, maybe you should buy your son body armor!

    @sutra46,
    Slaughtering forests in favor of making farmland is environmentally friendly?

    "vegetarians evidently enjoy better health"
    2 reasons: 1)Typically people who are that concerned about their diet are generally more health conscious. 2)They`re also typically noisier about how healthy they are, making it more evident (whether it`s true or not).


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    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
    3446 posts
    October 17, 2013 at 11:33 am
    "We evolved incisors to rip flesh."

    Incisors are a trait shared by most mammals, whether they eat flesh or not. We did not evolve them for eating meat. Gorillas have prominent canines but are primarily herbivorous. Camels have big incisors but are strict herbivores.
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    spanerbulb Male 30-39
    1244 posts
    October 17, 2013 at 12:40 pm
    B12 is produced by bacteria, we only get it from meat because the animals get it from the earth, they don`t produuce it themselves, same with every nutrient, nothing essential is produced by animals, it all comes from plants and bacteria. A well balance vegan diet is far superior to a meat and dairy based diet, there is no counter argument. No other diet can reverse diabetes and heart disease, a vegan one can.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
    14268 posts
    October 17, 2013 at 1:35 pm
    B12 is produced by bacteria, we only get it from meat because the animals get it from the earth

    Perhaps you should take up munching dirt then too!


    Mabey if he went vegan it`d reverse death too!!!
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
    14268 posts
    October 17, 2013 at 1:47 pm
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    sutra46 Female 40-49
    2550 posts
    October 17, 2013 at 4:17 pm
    @mcgovern tell that to my Brahmin ancestors All vegetarians, all lived well into 90s and died of old age :-)

    B12 is present in fermented food, different varieties of picked veggies and fruit also in Yogurt.

    @broizfam to yeild one kilo of meat a minimum of 7 kilos of grain feed is required, do you jow see how that would feed a lot more? Also all of the growth hormones, antibiotics fed to the animals seep in to food chain, waters and soil. Grains in particular have long shelf life and do not require ( energy consuming) special storage and consequent wastage.
    So what have we learned today?


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    sutra46 Female 40-49
    2550 posts
    October 17, 2013 at 6:34 pm
    *B12 is present in fermented food, different varieties of pickled veggies and fruit also in Yogurt. 
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
    36860 posts
    October 18, 2013 at 6:31 am

    Extremism is rarely a good idea. You can`t eat nothing but plants and stay healthy. Neither can you exist solely on McDonalds Big Macs. Life is about balance.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
    14268 posts
    October 18, 2013 at 7:33 am
    @mcgovern tell that to my Brahmin ancestors All vegetarians, all lived well into 90s and died of old age

    My grandfather is 84 eats meat and used to drink like a fish for a good part of his life...Tell me what sounds like living more?

    @mcgovern tell that to my Brahmin ancestors All vegetarians, all lived well into 90s and died of old age

    On the bright side you shouldn`t change too much when you get to that age because your diet has probably already made you completely miserable.....
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    FoolsPrussia Male 30-39
    3446 posts
    October 18, 2013 at 11:02 am
    "Extremism is rarely a good idea. You can`t eat nothing but plants and stay healthy."

    Gerry: I`ve been vegan for three years and have never been healthier. My diet doesn`t require harm to an animal, and I feel good about that. It`s not extremist to follow my conscience, is it?

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