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  1. Profile photo of HolyGod
    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    October 2, 2013 at 1:34 pm
    Link: California Rant - Bill Maher talking about California. I`m sure everyone will agree...
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    CaptKangaroo Male 50-59
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    October 2, 2013 at 1:52 pm
    Had me til the alien criminals- shoot `em when ya see `em.
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    basketkase Male 18-29
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    October 2, 2013 at 1:56 pm
    that was terrible
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    Jake_Justus Male 50-59
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    October 2, 2013 at 2:07 pm

    Geez, people are still doing California jokes?
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    bdowner60 Male 40-49
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    October 2, 2013 at 2:32 pm
    Another liberal dream , like talking makes it so !
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    October 2, 2013 at 2:42 pm
    F.ucking libertard bulls.hit.
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    HumanAction Male 18-29
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    October 2, 2013 at 3:04 pm
    Get`s a solid "meh" from me.

    Of course, he is right about the social issues. That being said, he should be a little more wary to praise California`s economy compared to Texas`. My most measures, Texas whoops (and has been whooping) California.

    Oh, and low-blow on the fertilizer plant joke. No amount of business regulation would have prevented it as the plant came first. Also, the well-regulated Canadian railroad had a similar disaster a little while ago.
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    Andrew155 Male 18-29
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    October 2, 2013 at 3:13 pm
    "We did something economists call cutting spending and raising taxes".

    This is what they call austerity in Europe, and the Progressives are fiercely critical of it. It`s strange they endorse it now.

    The rest is him just making stuff up. All of the indicators point to California going downhill, highlighted by the fact that the last census was the first in which California did not gain an electoral vote - people are voting with their feet.

    California does not have the highest unemployment rate, but it is surpassed only by Illinois, Nevada, Rhode Island, and Michigan. So, it`s 47th out of 51 (including DC). Dismal. It`s actually risen by half a percent this summer, even. And Stockton recently became the biggest city to ever file for bankruptcy.

    Have you guys seriously convinced yourself into thinking this is what we should be like? That`s stupid.
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    bdowner60 Male 40-49
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    October 2, 2013 at 3:14 pm

    Just checked miracle solution for California on the internet:

    Higher taxes+ Less services for higher taxes + $$$ surplus = Very short term solution equivalent to crash and burn
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    Andrew155 Male 18-29
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    October 2, 2013 at 3:15 pm
    And also the "budget surplus" claim is very dubious. You can go search for yourselves why.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    October 2, 2013 at 3:20 pm

    Tea Party free? I don`t think so. I had the right to marry, the Tea Party got it taken away. Now it`s back...for now, but only here. And the California version of ObambaCare is insane.

    Pot smoking? Sure it`s legal. But the city guv`ment has harassed all the sellers out of business. Can`t have the voters actually getting what they voted for!

    Few jobs, high cost of live. But the weather is nice.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    October 2, 2013 at 3:25 pm
    HumanAction

    "California`s economy compared to Texas`. My most measures, Texas whoops (and has been whooping) California."

    How do you figure? GDP has to be the most basic measure of economy.

    California`s GDP: $2,080,600,000,000
    Texas`s GDP: $1,458,300,000,000
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    Andrew155 Male 18-29
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    October 2, 2013 at 3:26 pm
    Actually, it was the black voters that came out for Obama that overturned Gay marriage there. Tea Party didn`t exist yet, even.
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    Andrew155 Male 18-29
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    October 2, 2013 at 3:31 pm
    Holy god, one has 26 million, the other has 38. You`re comparing total GDP....

    If you care to read this, it would tell you that California`s GDP per capita is actually lower than Texas`. And if you read behind the numbers, California`s GDP per capita is 2k lower than it was in 2008. Texas` is 2k higher. Where is the economic momentum?

    And so here we are. California`s economy benefits because of the past, its history. The factors that caused that early prosperity are utterly gone now, though. Decline has begun.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    October 2, 2013 at 3:39 pm
    Andrew 155

    "people are voting with their feet."

    In 2010 the population of california was 37,253,956, in 2012 it was estimated at 38,041,430. That is a growth of 787,474 people in 2 years. That is more than the ENTIRE POPULATION of 4 states.

    "it`s 47th out of 51 (including DC). Dismal"

    Yes. The economy of california was hit harder than a lot of other states during the recession. It hit 12.4% unemployment in 2010. It is 8.9% now. Unemployment is lowering at a faster rate than in any other state.

    Notice Maher is talking about SINCE 2010?
  16. Profile photo of HolyGod
    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    October 2, 2013 at 3:44 pm
    Andrew155

    "You`re comparing total GDP.... "

    ABSOLUTELY.

    Yes, GDP per capita has texas ahead of california.

    If GDP per capita is a better measure of the strength, size, and influence of an economy in your opinion then Delaware, Alaska, Connecticut, and Wyoming all have better economies than Texas or California. Do you really think that is true?
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    Andrew155 Male 18-29
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    October 2, 2013 at 3:49 pm
    Holy God - every state is increasing their population except Michigan. They didn`t gain an electoral vote for the first time in over a hundred years. That signals a drastic change in momentum. Ignore that if you want.

    I notice he is talking about since 2010, and I told you that the unemployment rate is currently increasing and has been for a few months. You ignore that. You also ignore the GDP facts.

    Also - my state Florida was hit just as hard, if not harder, than California. Unemployment hit 11.4% and its now 7%. So, boo hoo.

    I also warn you for the future: don`t use phony stats like "Unemployment has fallen faster than any other state". Politicians love that stuff. It`s a bad stat because only states that have the problem to begin with can "look good". So it essentially makes states performing badly look the best. A state that didn`t have much of an unemployment problem would never place highly on that stat.
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    HumanAction Male 18-29
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    October 2, 2013 at 3:54 pm
    @HolyGod

    How do you figure? GDP has to be the most basic measure of economy.
    GDP per capita is more representative. Otherwise, Russia has a better economy than half of Europe (hyperbole).

    2013 GDP/capita (via Wikipedia)

    Texas: $58,099
    California: $51,914

    Aug 2013 Unemployment Rates (via BLS)

    Texas: 6.4
    Cali: 8.9

    2012 Average Wage - Cost of Living Adjusted (via money-rates)

    Texas: $42,816
    Cali: $31,459

    Texas Economy > California Economy
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    Andrew155 Male 18-29
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    October 2, 2013 at 3:56 pm
    HolyGod, your GDP response - I have no words! If the point is that the state with the most people (by 12 million!) has the largest economy, then congrats.

    Nobody in academia I know would ever compare these two states solely in terms of gross GDP to indicate how their economies are performing. You would only do that in a geopolitical situation where you would want to know which one would have a greater capacity for war, or something. But in this case? GDP per capita is obvious. Don`t hide behind Delaware and Alaska. Totally different.


    And if we`re going to do this whole "Only gross GDP matters", then all Progressive arguments about Europe and Scandinavia become null and void. So you get what you ask for at your own peril.
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    HumanAction Male 18-29
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    October 2, 2013 at 3:56 pm
    @HolyGod

    Yes, GDP per capita has texas ahead of california.
    Don`t use this. If we are discussing which direction to take THE ENTIRE COUNTRY, then we should be comparing GDP/capita. Texas` GDP/capita is greater than that of California. Therefore, we gain more if the entire country adjusts to that of Texas as compared to California.
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    Andrew155 Male 18-29
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    October 2, 2013 at 3:57 pm
    Human Action - he rejects GDP per capita has an accurate measure to compare economies with different populations, beware.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    October 2, 2013 at 4:21 pm
    Andrew155

    "Human Action - he rejects GDP per capita has an accurate measure to compare economies with different populations, beware."

    I didn`t reject it. However how do you decide when it is or isn`t more accurate?

    DO YOU think Luxembourg, Macau, and Qatar have a better economy than the US because the GDP per capita is higher? How do YOU cherry pick when it is better to use gross and per capita. Please tell me the parameters.

    You say GDP per capita isn`t the best measure for wyoming, so why is it the best measure for california and texas?
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    October 2, 2013 at 4:23 pm
    HumanAction

    "Texas` GDP/capita is greater than that of California. Therefore, we gain more if the entire country adjusts to that of Texas as compared to California."

    Yes and the GDP/capita of Wyoming is greater than that of Texas. So that means the entire country should adjust to Wyoming?
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    Andrew155 Male 18-29
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    October 2, 2013 at 4:47 pm
    No, countries like Luxembourg and Norway don`t have a better economy, you`re hiding behind that. Their populations are so small that their niche industries drastically distort GDP per capita. Luxembourg is distorted by banking havens, Norway is distorted by being a major oil producer with less than 5 million people.

    Texas has over 25 million, though. And it doesn`t have anything that would distort it. Your strawmen states of Alaska, Delaware, and Wyoming don`t even have a million people.

    Comparing GDP per capita is absolutely valid here. What you`re doing is like comparing total murders in one state to the next, without controlling for population, ridiculous. And states like Wyoming are so small that their murder rate can (and has) varied from 1-5/100k.
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    Andrew155 Male 18-29
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    October 2, 2013 at 4:48 pm
    I just can`t believe you`re arguing this. Nobody would ever use gross GDP to justify California doing better than Texas, without taking into account a 12 million population difference. It actually highlights their weakness - their economy is not terribly larger despite having a whole 12 million more people.
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    HumanAction Male 18-29
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    October 2, 2013 at 4:51 pm
    @HolyGod

    DO YOU think Luxembourg, Macau, and Qatar have a better economy than the US because the GDP per capita is higher?
    Yes, they have a BETTER economy than us. We have a BIGGER economy than them. Texas has a better economy than California.

    There aren`t many laws we can create that will dramatically change the SIZE of the US economy in a short span of time. There are laws we can create (or revoke) that will dramatically change the QUALITY of our economy.

    We shouldn`t try to be like California simply because they are bigger and more populous than Texas. We should, however, consider that the quality of their economy is worse than that of Texas.

    So that means the entire country should adjust to Wyoming?
    GDP/capita-wise? Yes.

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    Andrew155 Male 18-29
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    October 2, 2013 at 4:51 pm
    I mean really, the US should never compare itself to France or Germany using gross GDP. We use GDP per capita if we want to be serious. It`s just so elementary what`s being argued here.
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    HumanAction Male 18-29
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    October 2, 2013 at 5:06 pm
    I don`t understand how the same man who uses homicide/capita statistics to demonstrate differences between populations would refuse to use dollars/capita to do the same.

    Hang on then, let`s do that.

    Cuba Homicides - 563
    UK Homicides - 722

    Holy crap! The UK should be more like Cuba. -_-
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    October 2, 2013 at 5:15 pm
    Andrew155

    "Texas has over 25 million, though. And it doesn`t have anything that would distort it. Your strawmen states of Alaska, Delaware, and Wyoming don`t even have a million people."

    OK. So then the way we choose which economy is better is by GDP/ capita only for states over a million? Cool. Just wanted to see how you maneuvered the numbers best to fit your specific point. Now I know the criteria.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    October 2, 2013 at 5:17 pm
    HumanAction

    "I don`t understand how the same man who uses homicide/capita statistics"

    That isn`t absolute either. If a town with a hundred people in montana has a murder I don`t automatically think it is more dangerous than chicago because the per capita murder rate is higher. NEITHER number, gross or per capita, by itself, is a sole indicator of anything. That is the ONLY point I am attempting to make here.
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    llaa Male 30-39
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    October 2, 2013 at 5:36 pm
    I had a buddy that lives in California, he had a high paying job in the private sector with a small company until 2011. During his tenure his health insurance premium and rates quadrupled in cost, business insurance rates quintupled, and his employer was billed and sued by the state and cash starved city governments for back taxes beginning as far back as the late 1990s.

    Lets just say I knew a guy that had a job in California... I`ll ask him about the surplus, I`m sure he`ll be glad to know they saved so much...
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    October 2, 2013 at 5:38 pm

    " it was the black voters that came out for Obama that overturned Gay marriage there. "
    No, it was the fundamentalist religious tea baggers. Rounding up every church they could find and bussing them to the polls. All the central valley farmers. The metropolitan areas were okay with gay marriage, just the hicks aren`t.
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    HumanAction Male 18-29
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    October 2, 2013 at 5:43 pm
    @HolyGod

    That isn`t absolute either.
    Sure. However, rates normalize as the sample size grows; totals never do. Therefore, totals should NEVER be used when there are significantly different sample sizes.

    Seriously, there is a 46.0% difference in populations. Any honest comparison must control for population.
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    Andrew155 Male 18-29
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    October 2, 2013 at 6:09 pm
    Gerry, the only ethnic group that can qualify as `hick` rejected it.

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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    October 2, 2013 at 7:32 pm
    Andrew155

    "Gerry, the only ethnic group that can qualify as `hick` rejected it."

    You are making this a race issue. IT IS NOT.

    People didn`t turn up to kill gay marriage because they were BLACK. They turned up to kill gay marriage because they were CHRISTIAN.

    It just so happens that a large portion of blacks are christian.

    I can`t believe you think this is a racial issue.
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    October 2, 2013 at 7:47 pm
    I honestly don`t give a loose dry f*** what California does so long as they don`t come crying to me to bail them out when it all turns to $#!+.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    October 2, 2013 at 10:33 pm
    F.ucking libertard bulls.hit.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    October 2, 2013 at 11:50 pm
    California is no panacea, it has huge problems. Corporations are leaving California because of the high taxes and high insurance rates. Their unemployment rate is abysmal, their bond rating is next to the worst in the nation (the worst is Illinois), their students rank 48th in math and 49th in reading and they rank dead last in both new business creation and survival.

    California is taxing itself to death and it won`t be long before their official language is spanish.
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    onoffonoffon Male 30-39
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    October 3, 2013 at 12:32 am
    The people I`ve met from CA are not people that are worth the time of day.
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    Draculya Male 40-49
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    October 3, 2013 at 2:37 am
    "F.ucking libertard bulls.hit."

    lol.
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    Sleepyhallow Male 50-59
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    October 3, 2013 at 2:59 am
    You`re all just jealous that we actually have our schitt together.

    Don`t worry though, most of rest of you are no more than 20 years behind us.

    There`s a reason more people live here than anywhere else in the nation and the fantastic weather is only part of it.

    BTW; Old Ollie, we`re one of the 12 states that carry the rest of your sorry asses. We`ve been bailing YOU out for decades, you welfare deadbeat.
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    Sleepyhallow Male 50-59
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    October 3, 2013 at 3:08 am
    Texas does have a lower unemployment rate but they also have 3 times as many minimum wage jobs per capita than any other state and higher number of people living below the poverty line than Cali.

    "Move to Texas where we have more minimum wage jobs than anyone else in the nation!?

    Don`t really see that as a bragging right.
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    McGovern1981 Male 30-39
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    October 3, 2013 at 5:42 am
    You`re all just jealous that we actually have our schitt together.

    ROFL!! Ya Oakland, CA(AKA little Iraq) looks like a model of Utopia....
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    sutra46 Female 40-49
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    October 3, 2013 at 6:03 am
    Love it!
    But the best joke of the night was just before,
    Boehner is starring in new TV show where he is the new president, `Orange is the new Black`
    :-)
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    October 3, 2013 at 7:07 am
    Sleepyhallow: "we actually have our schitt together."

    Yeah, right. Say that later when half your state falls into the Pacific Ocean. California is more like loose diarrhea about to be flushed.
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    HumanAction Male 18-29
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    October 3, 2013 at 7:33 am
    @SleepyHallow

    Don`t really see that as a bragging right.
    2012 Average Wage - Cost of Living Adjusted (via money-rates)

    Texas: $42,816
    Cali: $31,459

    See, while Texas might have more low-paying jobs, they have a MUCH better consumer price index. When these things are taken into consideration, a person earning an average wage in Texas have far more purchasing power than the same person in California.
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    Andrew155 Male 18-29
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    October 3, 2013 at 9:12 am
    These people have been thoroughly owned. Their arguments (looking at you Sleephollow) boil down to "WE HAVE TEH MOST PEOPLE".

    Giant state, good weather, used to be prosperous. Woop dee doo, of course you have the most people. Now you`re in the tank, though. And you gained zero electoral votes last census, while Texas gained 4. You can choose to acknowledge this now, or when a good portion of you are probably going to leave the state because it`s so bad.

    I`m an Illinois refugee myself. It got so bad, we just left.

    I just have a strong feeling the Californians here are the elitist ones on the coast who have no contact with the rest of the state.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    October 3, 2013 at 1:07 pm
    Andrew155

    "These people have been thoroughly owned. Their arguments (looking at you Sleephollow) boil down to "WE HAVE TEH MOST PEOPLE"."

    I`m not sure, did you actually WATCH the video? The fact that california has so many people is the REASON he gives as to why the rest of the country has to bend to california`s whims. If they decide something as a state, like lower emission cars, the free market has to respond becomes of the number of people that live there.
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    October 3, 2013 at 4:14 pm
    If they decide something as a state, like lower emission cars, the free market has to respond becomes of the number of people that live there.
    You keep using that term, "free market." I do not think you know what it means.
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    Phosphoreign Male 30-39
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    October 4, 2013 at 3:11 pm
    Bill Maher is such an idiot. Does he even hear what he is saying? "We`re Tea Party Free... we can live in reality"... Really? Reality? I`ve lived in California my whole life... this place is NOT reality... this place is as far from REALITY as can be...
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    Phosphoreign Male 30-39
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    October 4, 2013 at 3:14 pm
    Oh, and, to all those folks talking about the country following California because we`re so populous... yeah, we have lower emission requirements... the country never followed, we`re the only state in the country that requires a different formulation of gasoline for summer and winter, giving us the highest gas cost... we weren`t the first state to allow gay marriage... yada yada...
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    carmium Female 50-59
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    October 5, 2013 at 12:02 am
    Gosh, if we could just import five million people really quick, Canada would be the same size as California! My home province of BC would still be well over twice the size of California, but a lot colder in the winter.

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