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41 Responses to 20 Famous People Who Believe In Extraterrestrials

  1. Profile photo of Altair909
    Altair909 Male 30-39
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    October 17, 2013 at 6:03 pm
    Link: 20 Famous People Who Believe In Extraterrestrials - What does Elvis Presley, Richard Nixon, and Stephen Hawking have in Common? All believe in little green men.
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    SethDog Male 18-29
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    October 17, 2013 at 6:28 pm
    You have to be foolish to not think intelligent life exists somewhere out there in the universe HOWEVER... The universe is HUGE and incomprehensible for humans, finding a planet that can sustain life is very very rare, even if we did the chances that life on that planet being more intelligent as we are has very low odds. The universe is huge, and would be so hard to find that life, that is why I don`t believe in UFO`s, however not dismissing it entirely..
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    Altair909 Male 30-39
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    October 17, 2013 at 6:33 pm
    I am for sure one of those who believe. When you grow up in ohio you are used to seeing all kinds of crazy things in the sky in fields and on dark roads. I have all kinds of real experiences.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    October 17, 2013 at 7:10 pm
    SethDog

    "finding a planet that can sustain life is very very rare"

    Finding a planet that can sustain *OUR* life is very rare. Who says what requirements an extraterrestrial may have? Perhaps they need it to be over 400 degrees and they breathe nitrogen. Who knows?
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    October 17, 2013 at 7:15 pm
    SethDog

    "even if we did the chances that life on that planet being more intelligent as we are has very low odds."

    The earth is 4.5 billion years old.
    The universe is 13.8 billion years old.
    That means there may be planets that are 9 BILLION YEARS ahead of us in evolution.

    Look how far we have come in 10,000 years.

    I`m pretty sure some creatures could have evolved farther with an extra 9 billion years.
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    Jake_Justus Male 50-59
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    October 17, 2013 at 7:18 pm

    If you took a poll of I-A-B members, I think you` find a lot of people who have seen strange or bizarre things in the sky. What these things actually are is another story, and often the answer is a mundane one. But the fact is that many people see objects that are not familiar or easily identifiable. It`s not uncommon.
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    SethDog Male 18-29
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    October 17, 2013 at 7:22 pm
    @HolyGod.. I am not saying that there isn`t advanced life out there, however them finding us is like a needle in a haystack. Yes maybe they do have some mechanism for finding life on other planets that I don`t understand or know about, hence why I am not completely dismissing the idea.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    October 17, 2013 at 8:17 pm

    Of course I believe in extra-terrestrials. Statistically they are very likely to exist. However I do not believe they are visiting this planet. Now or ever.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    October 17, 2013 at 8:24 pm
    Gerry1of1

    "However I do not believe they are visiting this planet. Now or ever."

    Why?

    We look for extraterrestrials and send things to different planets. You don`t think other life forms would have a similar curiosity?

    Don`t you think they be much farther along in the process given a hundred year, thousand year, or billion year head start?
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    October 17, 2013 at 11:00 pm
    There`s "UFO" and then there`s "ETI" which is Extra Terrestrial Intelligence. Space aliens!

    Most of these examples follow the title of belief in ETI, although a few are just UFO observations.

    UFOs can have many possible (but currently unknown) explanations. ETI means Aliens! Chances are really high THEY will visit US before we can go visit them :-)

    Or perhaps it`s just impossible? Only time will tell.
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    spanerbulb Male 30-39
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    October 18, 2013 at 12:52 am
    Just like belief in a god, unless there is sufficient evidence, belief in aliens is equally foolish.
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    drawman61 Male 50-59
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    October 18, 2013 at 4:08 am
    Hawkins statement that they are hostile is absurd. If they were a threat we probably wouldn`t be here discussing it.
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    Nickel2 Male 50-59
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    October 18, 2013 at 4:14 am
    Somewhere out in the big wide universe, is a planet orbiting a sun similar to ours, with a tiny minority of it`s population, (who should really be doing something productive), sitting in front of a computer screen arguing the toss about extra-planetary life.
    Some of them swear that it is not possible and deride the opinions of the rest, because it does not fit in with their childhood-indoctrination.
    This happened 10 earth-years ago, or maybe in 10 earth-years time.
    The aforementioned planet will never contact our planet, because it`s too expensive and they are undergoing a financial hiatus, and it`s too far away anyhow.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    October 18, 2013 at 6:29 am

    HolyGod, "Why"

    I don`t believe in things with no proof. I don`t believe in ghosts. I don`t believe in a supernatural all-knowing/all-seeing deity. I don`t believe extra terrestrials visited earth.

    UFOology is just a religion for atheists. Just another superstition. They choose to believe it without proof and then come up with lame reasons why their vision is the only true perspective.
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    Mikeoxsbiggg Male 30-39
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    October 18, 2013 at 9:14 am
    Little green men? Maybe. Micro-bacterial life, more likely.
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    LordJim Male 60-69
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    October 18, 2013 at 9:55 am
    spanerbulb

    Yeah, well you would want us to believe that, wouldn`t you?
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    October 18, 2013 at 10:43 am
    spanerbulb and Gerry1of1 have already given the main answer to Holygod`s question, but I`ll add something to the rebut Holygod`s further statements.

    I agree that it`s *plausible* that *if* other people exist they *might* be exploring the universe and that they *might* be looking for other people, like us. It`s *possible* that they might be a much older species than us and have done a lot more exploring.

    Holygod argues that this collection of possibilities is supporting argument for his faith (and yes, it is faith) that aliens visit Earth.

    I argue that it`s nothing of the kind and in my next post I`ll show why it isn`t. Be warned - numbers ahead!
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    October 18, 2013 at 10:49 am
    Angillon

    "Holygod argues that this collection of possibilities is supporting argument for his faith (and yes, it is faith) that aliens visit Earth."

    Never once have I said I believe aliens have visited earth, let alone that I have "faith" that they have. I`m just refuting reasons people are giving on why they think it isn`t possible or likely.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    October 18, 2013 at 10:55 am
    I`ll take a best case scenario for Holygod`s assumptions.

    Let`s assume a huge and incredibly stable society of alien people with technology beyond our imagining. Let`s assume that they are passionately devoted to exploring the universe.

    With their huge resources, spectacular technology and dedication to exploring, these people explore a million stellar systems per year! An unreasonably high figure, really.

    Their society is so stable and so old that they have been doing this for a billion years!

    They have explored a million billion stellar systems!

    That would mean they have explored less than one millionth of the observable universe.

    Even with such unreasonably improbable assumptions to make it more likely, it`s still extremely unlikely they would even know we were here, let alone visited us. Even if they had looked at this stellar system, it would almost certainly have been long before humans existed.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    October 18, 2013 at 10:58 am
    Never once have I said I believe aliens have visited earth, let alone that I have "faith" that they have. I`m just refuting reasons people are giving on why they think it isn`t possible or likely.

    OK, so you`re arguing for other people`s faith in alien visitation...and maybe your own as well, since you only say you haven`t said you believe, not that you don`t believe.

    My point still stands - the arguments you are making are extremely weak, certainly far too weak to justify believing against the weight of evidence.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    October 18, 2013 at 11:07 am
    Hawkins statement that they are hostile is absurd. If they were a threat we probably wouldn`t be here discussing it.

    Which statement are you referring to? I`ve seen some people claim that Stephen Hawking has made a statement like that. He hasn`t.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    October 18, 2013 at 11:30 am
    @spannerbulb: Belief in the POSSIBILITY of ETI Aliens is perfectly reasonable.

    @Drawman61: I think Hawkins means they won`t have Human interests in mind when they arrive. Think of Columbus hitting North America`s shores, eh? Space Aliens are unlikely to be "free love hippies" and MORE likely to resemble Conquistadors...

    Yay! @Angilion`s Brain to the rescue :-)
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    October 18, 2013 at 11:37 am
    Off Topic: I`ve just noticed:

    "Holygod" is just a few letters away from "Hollywood"... food for thought?

    these people explore a million stellar systems per year!

    Not THAT unreasonable! One Word: Drones! Send 100K "Survey Drones" out per year and pretty soon you`ll explore 1 million per year! By "soon" I mean within 100 years... more or less... depends how fast they travel...

    Anyhow? MOST Stars really don`t merit exploration since they can be seen to have no life-supporting planets from very far away.

    Angilion: I think ETI Theory has the Aliens coming from our own galaxy, eh? Inter-Galaxy travel is a whole different question!

    Even if they arrived a long time ago? The Earth was TEEMING with life! It`s easy to see that sentient species *might* arise from any life-filled planet. Eventually!
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    October 18, 2013 at 11:46 am
    Everything hangs on the SPEED they can travel!

    Again: Conquest of the New World (North America)

    #1: At first? People WALKED or paddled small boats. Took 1,000 years.

    #2: Then they came with sailing ships. China, Vikings, Columbus.
    Took months to get here & return. 1 year per trip essentially.

    #3: Then came steam powered ships: much faster! Trips lasted days. Zeppelins too!

    #4: Now? Airplanes! Super-Sonic ones even! Trips measured in hours...

    So how fast do the ETIs travel? Conquest and colonization are *possible* using all 4 methods, but the time and effort vary exponentially.

    #1: Sub-Light Speed: Generational ships or freezing. A one-way trip takes 100+ years.

    #2: Near-Light Speed: Lifetime trip, 30-50 years one way?

    #3: FTL Drive: "Alien Movie" Style: Trips take a year or so?

    #4: Star Trek Style: Warp 5 Mr Sulu! We need to get there in 2 hours!!!

    Lolz!
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    October 18, 2013 at 11:49 am
    Angillion

    "Let`s assume a huge and incredibly stable society of alien people with technology beyond our imagining. Let`s assume that they are passionately devoted to exploring the universe.

    With their huge resources, spectacular technology and dedication to exploring, these people explore a million stellar systems per year! An unreasonably high figure, really."

    "technology beyond our imagining" is a really important part of that statement.

    Let`s say they have a scanner that can sense the smallest amount of movement on a planet and it can scan the entire universe instantly at the push of a button.

    You are making assumptions about how or what an alien race might have or do based on us. It is a total lack of imagination. We can`t fathom something that isn`t somewhat like us.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    October 18, 2013 at 11:52 am
    Think of Columbus hitting North America`s shores, eh? Space Aliens are unlikely to be "free love hippies" and MORE likely to resemble Conquistadors...

    Even if they were free love hippies, the massive imbalance in our societies might ruin us anyway. They would definitely have to have vastly superior technology (to be able to get here) and might well have a better or at least more stable society (to have lasted long enough to develop that technology).

    They turn up and boom, everything human is so ridiculously far behind current understanding and technology that it`s useless. Overnight, we have no real scientists, no real engineers, no real doctors, etc.

    It would be a bigger difference than us going back in time to the early stone age.
  27. Profile photo of HolyGod
    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    October 18, 2013 at 11:53 am
    Angilion


    "the arguments you are making are extremely weak, certainly far too weak to justify believing against the weight of evidence."

    The argument you are making is non-existant because you are making it from a platform of understanding you couldn`t possibly have.

    Just like sethdog talking about the amount of planets that can sustain life, you are only picturing life like us. Life that has to drive around looking at planets.

    Maybe they have a telepathic connection to all sentient thought.
    Maybe they can travel a billion times faster than light and live forever.
    Maybe they can hear a mouse fart from the other side of the galaxy.

    You have NO CLUE what you are arguing about.
  28. Profile photo of HolyGod
    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    October 18, 2013 at 11:56 am
    5cats

    "they can be seen to have no life-supporting planets from very far away."

    Again, says who? Who says what can and can`t sustain a completely different form of life? We can determine what planets can and can`t sustain OUR planet`s life. We can`t possibly make a judgement call on what planets could or couldn`t sustain kinds of life we are completely unaware of. For all we know there is life living in the center of the sun.
  29. Profile photo of Angilion
    Angilion Male 40-49
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    October 18, 2013 at 11:57 am
    Let`s say they have a scanner that can sense the smallest amount of movement on a planet and it can scan the entire universe instantly at the push of a button.

    If you`re bringing omniscience into the argument then it obviously becomes a matter of faith because you are talking about the most powerful gods. So it`s outside any rational thought.

    Yes, sure, it`s possible that gods know we are here and are observing us in some way. That possibility doesn`t imply that people (gods or not) are visting Earth from other worlds.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    October 18, 2013 at 12:00 pm
    5Cats

    "Off Topic: I`ve just noticed:

    "Holygod" is just a few letters away from "Hollywood"... food for thought?"

    Did you ever notice how much 5Cats looks like SCats?

    Meaning sexual arousal and play with feces?
  31. Profile photo of HolyGod
    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    October 18, 2013 at 12:03 pm
    Angillion

    "If you`re bringing omniscience into the argument then it obviously becomes a matter of faith because you are talking about the most powerful gods. So it`s outside any rational thought."

    Omniscience? I`m bringing technology into it. You don`t think we could develop a technology that could sense motion anywhere in the universe? Give us a billion years, I bet we could. That wouldn`t make us "gods".

    Just like if you showed an ipad to someone from a lost amazon tribe they might think we are "gods". Doesn`t make it so.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    October 18, 2013 at 12:09 pm
    Omniscience? I`m bringing technology into it. You don`t think we could develop a technology that could sense motion anywhere in the universe? Give us a billion years, I bet we could. That wouldn`t make us "gods".

    Why not?

    Look at what you`re talking about in order to make your line of argument plausible:

    The ability to sense every motion in the universe the instant it happens.

    A telepathic connection to all sentient thought.

    Travel a billion times faster than light (why did you limit yourself to that? Why not instanteous travel anywhere or omnipresence?)

    Immortality.

    The ability to hear a mouse fart from the other side of the galaxy.

    You`re talking about entities far more powerful than nearly all of the gods imagined by humans, and you`ve only brushed the surface of the abilities you ascribe to them.

    So yes, they are gods.
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    October 18, 2013 at 12:13 pm
    Angillion

    "So yes, they are gods."

    So with our atomic bombs, jets, and computers we are "gods" compared to lost amazon tribes. So that means we ARE gods?
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    October 18, 2013 at 1:06 pm
    Even if they were free love hippies, the massive imbalance in our societies might ruin us anyway.

    @Angilion: Quite correct! It would be a HUGE shock to the entire Human race if Space Aliens showed up, even nice ones! That`s the #1 reason given for them "remaining hidden" in UFO Theories, eh?

    They *might* only have slightly better technology and done a #1 type trip: but it still would be a shocker. Much more likely they have vastly better tech.

    Again, says who? Who says what can and can`t sustain a completely different form of life?
    Well? Some stars just don`t have ANY planets! For one. I got at least 10 more reasons...
    And remember: we`re talking about SENTIENT life, not just bacteria.

    Did you ever notice how much 5Cats looks like SCats?

    Several IAB Liberals have pointed that out, thanks :-)
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    October 18, 2013 at 1:18 pm
    Originally? It was "5 Cats" but the space got lost over time. That was... 20+ years ago.

    The capital "C" is important! LOLZ! 5cats...Scats... yeah, it`s unfortunate.





    A smart fellow indeed!
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    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    October 18, 2013 at 2:11 pm
    5Cats

    "Several IAB Liberals have pointed that out, thanks "

    Really? I`ve never noticed it or seen anyone say it before. It didn`t occur to me until a couple days ago.

    If you get another cat 6Cats would be better yes?
  37. Profile photo of HolyGod
    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    October 18, 2013 at 2:18 pm
    5Cats

    "Well? Some stars just don`t have ANY planets! For one. I got at least 10 more reasons...
    And remember: we`re talking about SENTIENT life, not just bacteria."

    I`m curious as to how you can have reasons that environments couldn`t support a lifeform that we have no idea about what it may or may not require to sustain itself.

    Surely we would look at jupiter and say it can`t sustain life.

    How do we know there isn`t an intelligent life form that breathes hydrogen and thinks -200 degrees is "room temperature"?

    We base everything off of water, oxegen, and temperature.

    Other lifeforms might not require or like any of those factors.
  38. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
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    October 18, 2013 at 10:37 pm
    @HolyGod: There isn`t ANY life on Jupiter! And it`s a planet! I said some stars have NO planets! You follow me yet?

    Airless asteroids CANNOT POSSIBLY develop intelligent life: the basic ingredients are simply absent, no matter what kind of PRIMATIVE life *might* exist.

    Fish cannot discover fire no matter how smart they get.

    OF COURSE "other kinds of life" might have intelligence! I watched Star Trek too! Tholians? Horta? Organians?
    List Of Star Trek Races

    There`s a LOT of variety there! And it`s likely Space Alien ETI will be quite different than us.

    But no, nothing does or even can live in the middle of a star... sheesh!
  39. Profile photo of HolyGod
    HolyGod Male 30-39
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    October 18, 2013 at 11:21 pm
    5Cats

    "There isn`t ANY life on Jupiter!"

    Says who? Have we searched every cubic inch of jupiter that I`m unaware of? Even if we did, maybe they are invisible. Or tiny. Or in a gaseous state.

    "Airless asteroids CANNOT POSSIBLY develop intelligent life: the basic ingredients are simply absent"

    Why? They can`t possibly develop OUR life. You are certain that it is impossible for a lifeform to develop that doesn`t require air?


    "nothing does or even can live in the middle of a star... sheesh!"

    AGAIN, you have NO WAY of knowing that. There could be sentient lifeforms that live of of the energy of atomic explosions and consist of pure energy. Who the f.uck knows?

    How on earth can you speak in absolute certainties about possibilities neither of us could possibly fathom.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    October 19, 2013 at 10:54 am
    So with our atomic bombs, jets, and computers we are "gods" compared to lost amazon tribes. So that means we ARE gods?

    From their frame of reference, maybe.

    But you`re talking about omnisicient immortals with undefined superpowers. They would undoubtably be gods from our frame of reference.

    I think it`s worth restating that you created the idea of omniscient immortals because omniscient immortals were required to make your previous argument plausible. You resist calling them gods, but that`s just a rebranding without changing the meaning.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    October 19, 2013 at 11:21 am
    Or tiny. Or in a gaseous state.

    Then they wouldn`t be "sentient" would they? let alone capable of SPACE TRAVEL!

    You know how BIG Jupiter is? It`s "Red Spot" is 2X the size of Earth... sure there *might be* living things, but then again? I might win the lottery! Twice!

    As for things living in the Sun? Nope.
    Except Gods perhaps... Gods might live there...

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