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Date: 09/08/13 01:30 PM

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  1. Profile photo of SweepOfDeath
    SweepOfDeath Male 18-29
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    September 7, 2013 at 12:40 pm
    Link: Why Do Tests On Animals? - Screw the 8th amendment, let`s do this.
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    jeepjones Male 30-39
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    September 8, 2013 at 1:34 pm
    Exactly......... And while you are at it, let`s castrate ALL convicted sex offenders.
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    September 8, 2013 at 1:37 pm
    Works for me.
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    turdburglar Male 30-39
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    September 8, 2013 at 1:52 pm

    I`ve said this a thousand times!...Jokingly. I really really really want to do it to murderers and molesters, but it wouldn`t be humane to forcibly test on any human.

    It could be used on a voluntary basis. Trade some time off a nonviolent offenders sentence for medical testing.


    Notice how he didn`t mention murderers, but did include rapists (only male rapists).
    Rape is horrible, but not even in the same league as murder and molestation. Sorry women, it`s just not. Hell, attempted murder is still much worse.
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    nubblins Female 18-29
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    September 8, 2013 at 1:57 pm
    @turdburglar
    You can only assume, since you`re not a woman who has been raped...

    Anyway, I`m fairly sure this falls under cruel and unusual punishment, not that any child rapist deserves more than that. Laws :/
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    Dead_mind Male 18-29
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    September 8, 2013 at 1:58 pm
    There are a minute chance there are innocent people in there.
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    Dead_mind Male 18-29
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    September 8, 2013 at 1:59 pm
    @nubblins
    Well, you can only assume since you are not a person whom have been murdered.
    Im sorry for your terrible experience tho.
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    nubblins Female 18-29
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    September 8, 2013 at 2:03 pm
    True, I haven`t.
    But let`s not try to say rape is not on the same level of horribleness. They`re not comparable--apples to oranges, and whatnot.
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    richanddead Male 18-29
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    September 8, 2013 at 2:03 pm
    If congress wanted to work it out, I`d be willing to trade the death penalty for a life long testing penalty. Far more practical.
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    oobaka Male 40-49
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    September 8, 2013 at 2:10 pm
    I`m all for human testing but don`t stop there.
    Take their eyes, a kidney, lung, etc...for transplant. Take skin for grafting. Take as much blood as possible for transfusions.
    For that matter, it should be mandatory for every prisoner to donate blood at least once a month no matter what the crime.
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    turdburglar Male 30-39
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    September 8, 2013 at 2:30 pm

    Nubblins - I am sorry if you have been a victim, but I just can`t see how it is comparable to murder or attempted murder.
    I view rapists as pathetic, I just don`t think the crimes are equal.
    It is a bit apples to oranges though.
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    TheZigRat Male 50-59
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    September 8, 2013 at 2:36 pm
    Why stop at Prisions, we have the non producers of the country... the old, the inferm, the mentally challenged, the poor, the unemployed, those on welfair... See where this type of thinking goes?
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    Andrew155 Male 18-29
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    September 8, 2013 at 2:58 pm
    Of course murder is worse than rape. Rape is bad. Murder is worse. I thought that was obvious? You know, men get raped too. More men get raped in the military than women. Just a fun fact.
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    Andrew155 Male 18-29
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    September 8, 2013 at 2:58 pm
    ZigRat, I don`t know how you make the leap from rapists to old people and poor people.
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    paddy215 Male 18-29
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    September 8, 2013 at 3:12 pm
    I`ve never heard of Roger Miret before this, but he seems like an idiot.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    September 8, 2013 at 3:16 pm
    I`m sorry but no. Our constitution is meant protect only one species: homo sapiens. I dare say we treat sex offenders way too harshly already (Ariel Castro an exception), nonetheless two wrongs don`t make a right.
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    jops360 Male 30-39
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    September 8, 2013 at 3:25 pm
    oobaka - your comment made you just as bad as those doing the crime. in our legal system the punishment needs to fit the crime. thats why we take away their time, their money and even their lives in some cases but you seem to think this is not enough. you claim we should maim them by taking away their vision and god knows what else because you believe that they deserve it? who are you to do this to someone? i am not claiming support for them but they are taking the punishment judged to them and then some. they are no some sort of transplant farm animals, they are human just like you. btw, would you take a lung donated by a convict? im pretty sure most would deny until absolutely needed. and just for the record, until you move to the US keep your ideals to yourself. its like telling a rape victim that if you were in their shoes you wouldnt have gotten raped.
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    emmettyville Female 40-49
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    September 8, 2013 at 3:31 pm
    no, bypass them and go straight for the politicians.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    September 8, 2013 at 3:33 pm

    "let`s castrate ALL convicted sex offenders."
    The problem with that is it`s permanent. How many times have we heard of convicted rapists later proven not guilty through DNA. No, the justice system is far too flawed to do anything so permanent. Which is partly why I`m against the death penalty.
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    emmettyville Female 40-49
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    September 8, 2013 at 3:35 pm
    I like jobs360`s comment. Every single criminal was once a new born baby with nothing but hope for the future and the potential to be amazing. WTF happened to these people I really dont even want to know, but can imagine. Hurting, killing an inhumanely imprisoning people for crimes does not rehabilitate anyone, only encourages hate, and a life lived in unforgiveness by families of victims, and continues a cycle of violence in society. people who commit serious crimes have serious problems and should be helped to heal then allowed to recontribute to society in a positive way to help restore justice to those they have harmed.
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    jops360 Male 30-39
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    September 8, 2013 at 3:36 pm
    jeepjones - why stop there, lets cuts the hands off of thieves, lets bury those who we deem unfaithful to their husband up to their necks and stone them until our preachers believe they have learnt their lesson. this is starting to remind me of somewhere else in the world. funny thing is these are all punishments found in your local bible and even funnier if you really do want to follow these "rules" to a tee. i bet you are guilty of at least a dozen "crimes" by its standards.
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    3002-3038 Female 18-29
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    September 8, 2013 at 3:37 pm
    @andrew155 not sure where you`re getting you`re facts, about more men getting raped than women.. but you`re wrong. *is in the military*
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    jops360 Male 30-39
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    September 8, 2013 at 3:46 pm
    by todays practices even being arrested for a crime, like rape, has that same outcome of being convicted. crap even looking like the person can whined up getting you killed by some backwoods avenger. the justice system is flawed to the point that they dont care as long as someone takes the fall and thats why i agree with Gerry on this one. it might take an entire lifetime but there is always a chance that the person convicted has a chance of being not guilty.
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    TheZigRat Male 50-59
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    September 8, 2013 at 3:46 pm
    @ Andrew Its not a far leap from treating criminals as meat to treating anyone those in power deam as undesirable as meat. It is just a matter of degree. Where does Society draw the line. Where does it get the right to say one life is more valuable than another except in certain and few exceptions?
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    Crabes Male 30-39
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    September 8, 2013 at 3:58 pm
    finally something we can all agree on!
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    September 8, 2013 at 4:18 pm
    No, the justice system is far too flawed to do anything so permanent. Which is partly why I`m against the death penalty.
    Gerry, that`s the ONLY reason I`m against the death penalty, but it`s reason enough.

    On the other hand, a little bit of pharmaceutical testing or practice surgery never hurt anyone...or at least not much, anyway.
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    Shelworth Male 50-59
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    September 8, 2013 at 4:28 pm
    I have often thought the same thing, also when I hear of someone needing an organ transplant I think of all the organs going to waste in prisons.
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    turdburglar Male 30-39
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    September 8, 2013 at 4:29 pm

    3002-3038 - You must be the complete authority when it comes to ANYTHING concerning the military.

    Did you just make up that stat, or did you google it. Either way, You have proven to be a dips#it, unworthy of being taken seriously.
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    drawman61 Male 50-59
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    September 8, 2013 at 4:57 pm
    But the ones on death row are just costing you money. This would be perfect to make them useful to society.
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    Andrew155 Male 18-29
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    September 8, 2013 at 5:31 pm
    3002 - More men are raped in the military.

    And you being in the military doesn`t change anything. I spent 18 years in that community, my father commanded a base. I was neighbors with Petraeus. It doesn`t make my statistics more or less correct.

    So, you`re wrong.
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    Andrew155 Male 18-29
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    September 8, 2013 at 5:34 pm
    As for any of these punishments - they seem good in theory. It might feel good to have murderers and rapists suffer a bit. But, like the death penalty, if this stuff is permanent, then it`s inhumane to do it when there is a risk that anyone might be irreversibly harmed.
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    elkingo Male 30-39
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    September 8, 2013 at 6:01 pm
    Why not? How about because we aren`t animals who deny people basic human rights?
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    whodat6484 Male 30-39
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    September 8, 2013 at 6:15 pm
    Hey, I know that guy! I was hanging out with him and all the other guys at NYHC Tattoo back in June before they went on tour in Europe. He`s a good man, and a NYHC legend.

    Back on the topic, I agree with what he has to say about this. Society has no other use for pedophiles & sex offenders so we might as well get something out of them by using them as guinea pigs.
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    turdburglar Male 30-39
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    September 8, 2013 at 6:22 pm

    3002-3038 - It`s getting pretty sad when you mention in every comment "I`m in the military".

    I`m not sure I even believe you. On the off chance you are, I`ve held off a bit, but screw that. Go fu*k yourself. Our servicemen (past and present) don`t deserve to be lumped in with a idiot like you. God bless our servicemen and women...but screw you.
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    aliyahg1979 Female 30-39
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    September 8, 2013 at 6:54 pm
    @elkingo

    My guess is that you were never sexual abused because you address these monstrous pedirasts in the same light as having "human rights" as the people who have never harmed a soul. Sickening...
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    elkingo Male 30-39
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    September 8, 2013 at 6:58 pm
    @aliyahg1979 - my guess is that you were, and ignore the fact that they are still humans that have laws to protect them. sickening...
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    elkingo Male 30-39
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    September 8, 2013 at 6:59 pm
    The Universal Declaration of Human Rights
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    llaa Male 30-39
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    September 8, 2013 at 7:00 pm
    Eh No. What kind of people would be hired to administer the testing chemicals? That`s a pretty rough job, blinding humans that can speak and conversate with you. I dont think there would be many hires of sane people to perform such tests on a human being; rapist or not. You`d have to be sick in the head to apply for a job performing such experiments.
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    Andrew155 Male 18-29
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    September 8, 2013 at 7:11 pm
    By the way, elkingo, the Universal declaration of human rights says all humans are BORN equal. It`s flimsy language that could be interpreted as you can lose that equality through your own actions.

    The main reasoning against it is that you could castrate an innocent man.
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    turdburglar Male 30-39
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    September 8, 2013 at 7:15 pm

    aliyahg1979 - Basic human rights concerning cruel and/or unusual punishment are forbidden by our constitution.

    Your emotions do not give you the right to torture others, including criminals. Doing so makes you a criminal, subject to the same torture.

    Take emotions out of the equation. It`s sad that you focus so much anger on rapists, with no mention of murderers. With out emotions, the two crimes are not even in the same ballpark.
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    aliyahg1979 Female 30-39
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    September 8, 2013 at 7:24 pm
    The moment they decided to destroy a life for their own amusement is the moment they gave up their rights. It is like when someone commits murder, they give up their right do anything but to rot in jail. No more voting or owning a gun... aren`t those basic rights in the U.S.?
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    aliyahg1979 Female 30-39
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    September 8, 2013 at 7:35 pm
    @tburglar

    I guess to you a murderer can produce more damage than someone who pours acid on someone and light them on fire and the vicctim survives, but barely and is barely functioning mentally and physically. Or someone who keeps a child who he kidnapped off the street in a locked basement for over 20 years and sexually and physically abusing them.

    There are far more worst things than death, but the ones that do take lives, the violent temper and no reguard for human life are not normal everyday citizens who just happen to wake up one day and say, "I think I`ll kill someone today!" They moved up from more hanious crimes.
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    turdburglar Male 30-39
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    September 8, 2013 at 8:47 pm

    aliyahg1979 - We all know that criminals loose many rights when the become criminals. The bill of rights specificaly gives the right against cruel and/or unusual punishment to criminals.

    Murder and attempted murder is worse than rape. The only way of comparing the two is with your emotions. If rape is so horrible, we can start putting victims out of their misery...According to your argument, we should euthanize rape, kidnap victims, and others like them...But I doubt they want that.

    Plus...that whole nonsense you emotionaly spouted about acid and fire would be considered ATTEMPTED MURDER!!! Try making some sense. Start by throwing your emotins in the garbage. We don`t throw people in jail because of emotions, otherwise I would have you throw in jail for annoying me with nonsense.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    September 8, 2013 at 9:32 pm

    drawman, "But the ones on death row are just costing you money. This would be perfect to make them useful to society."
    They`re not people... they`re things to be used

    THAT is what they were convicted of. They raped and killed people that they didn`t consider "worthy". So you are right at their level, aren`t you.
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    turdburglar Male 30-39
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    September 8, 2013 at 10:27 pm

    Gerry - Like you, I don`t think of the worst criminals as "human". I desperately want to say we should treat them however suits society.

    Don`t be a Bush #2. Don`t s#it on the bill of rights, and the constitution.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    September 8, 2013 at 10:42 pm

    @ Turd - I`m not sure I made my point clear. I was referencing someone else who treated criminals as less-than-human... at their level. I hate the bitches but intellectually I hold a higher standard. Justice makes mistakes and we cannot treat them as less than human. If you treat a killer the way they treated their victims {as things to be used} then you are no better than the killer himself. We have to be better than them if we want to look down on them.
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    tommy2X4 Male 50-59
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    September 8, 2013 at 10:52 pm
    That`s what Hitler thought of the Jews and many others. But he had them experimented on and advanced medicine significantly. (True Story)
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    turdburglar Male 30-39
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    September 8, 2013 at 11:07 pm


    Gerry - I apologize for misunderstanding your comment.
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    turdburglar Male 30-39
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    September 8, 2013 at 11:20 pm

    Don`t get me wrong...I would love to use these scum as lab rats. But, we don`t act on emotions, and definitely don`t use emotions to justify s#itting on the bill of rights.

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    drawman61 Male 50-59
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    September 9, 2013 at 1:34 am
    aliyahg1979: Agree with you 100%. All a criminal has to do in Europe is go crying to the European court of human rights and the do-gooders bend over backwards to make sure no one hurts their feelings. If you step outside the law, the constitution or whatever you want to call it, you should no longer be protected by those same laws. Talk about having your cake and eating it.
    The scum that perpetrate these crimes get more help than the women that are raped, the children that have to live with their abuse, the families of murder victims. Where are their human f***** rights. The law makers are sick.
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    McDuff73 Male 30-39
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    September 9, 2013 at 5:51 am
    people have rights no matter what criminal actions they have taken, and entities like the constitution and the European Court of Human rights protect everyone all the time but you only hear about criminals using its protection because the mass media deems it newsworthy.
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    aliyahg1979 Female 30-39
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    September 9, 2013 at 6:28 am
    @ tburglar

    How can one be concerned with matters which are not near and dear? They cannot, ergo the "emotional factor" only seems amplified to those who have not been personally affected.

    Say we take the child molestation out of the picture (since not everyone has a child), but lets say it happened to your mother. What if she was suddenly attacked in her home, raped, beaten and left for dead (but never intended on killing her, just beating her to a bloody pulp), but survived. She was technically not murdered, so I`m assuming by your words the assailant (if ever caught) will be viewed by you as just another citizen with his day in court,so at this point, he will just be a rapist, no harm, no foul, since he is not a murderer, right? What if he had no remorse and did it for fun? What if he looked you dead in the eyes and told you he enjoyed every bit of it? No emotional factor right?
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    drawman61 Male 50-59
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    September 9, 2013 at 6:29 am
    McDuff, I accept why these laws are in place. But surely it`s for the protection of decent law-abiding people like you or me or the majority of society for that matter. These people chose to do something outside of these laws that the rest of us are happy to live by. I don`t get why you want to protect these people with these same laws. They have behaved inhumanely to their victims, to society. Why is it always the decent folk that have to suffer more than them? I stand by my belief.
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    drawman61 Male 50-59
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    September 9, 2013 at 6:32 am
    aliyahg, brilliantly said. But it`s a sad state of affairs when you have to break it down like this for people to get it.
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    McDuff73 Male 30-39
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    September 9, 2013 at 6:42 am
    drawman61 all people are afforded the protections to prevent tyranical governments deciding as was mentioned earlier imposing unfair and cruel treatment on whomever they wish, thats the point of a Constitution or Human rights, as distasteful as it may seem protecting criminals means its also protecting you me and any other law abiding citizen.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    September 9, 2013 at 7:00 am
    How can one be concerned with matters which are not near and dear?

    One does not have to be close to those affected to have an informed opinion on the matter, otherwise people like "judges", "attorneys", "juries", or "prosecutors" wouldn`t have any meaning in a society. If we had it your way we should straight up legalize honor killings.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    September 9, 2013 at 7:07 am
    No emotional factor right?

    Yes it will be up to ME alone to decide how tax dollars are spent on how this ONE individual shall be treated. Because I have been emotionally compromised by that person`s wrongdoing.
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    drawman61 Male 50-59
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    September 9, 2013 at 7:36 am
    McDuff, it`s not about tyranny and it`s not about inflicting anything on anyone other than the vile creatures that don`t want to act like the rest of the human race. You`re confusing a dictatorship with being fair to law abiding citizens.
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    aliyahg1979 Female 30-39
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    September 9, 2013 at 7:36 am
    @Cajun

    you do realize that judges, attorneys, juries and prosecutors are bias? You make it seem like the people you mentioned above who do this as a job are somehow emotionally sterile and act without any prejudice like Judge Dredd, right?

    Another delusion you seem to have is the notion that you have a say-so in how "your" tax dollars are spent. If that were the case, then every single person who opposed war would withdraw "their" tax dollars from the military budget in a heartbeat.

    We live in a day and age where imprisoned felons have a better quality of life than most law abiding citizens. They never have to worry about food or paying the bills, dental and medical come standard and they even receive organ transplants!
    Death-Row inmate organ transplant

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    aliyahg1979 Female 30-39
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    September 9, 2013 at 7:42 am
    @drawman61

    Thank you. I feel like I`m the freed prisoner in the Allegory of the Cave trying to explain a world which exists beyond their view of sight, but it is falling on deaf ears.

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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
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    September 9, 2013 at 8:24 am
    While ostensibly this may seem like a good idea, it is not practical or useful. In an ideal world we would be able to test all things on people, in order to avoid issues with validity. There`s really no end to what you can do when you throw human pain and suffering at it.

    However, the problems are too many. Short lifespans of animals are very beneficial. Humans in prisons are not great test subjects; they often have substance abuse problems, or other diseases and ailments that would prevent meaningful research from being useful. Also, one of the main reasons animals are used is to ensure safety for people.

    Basically, this is just a recipe for revenge pr0n.
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    aliyahg1979 Female 30-39
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    September 9, 2013 at 8:35 am
    @patchgrabber

    I see longevity as a positive aspect as for example a new drug comes out, say a Prozac cousin of sorts, which requires test subjects to be observed for a 5 years period to see all the possible aftereffects and reactions.

    Have you seen those commercials for prescription medications where the announcer goes, "do you have arthritis? try this pill!" then you hear the adverse reactions: may cause rupture of bowels, loss of vision, thoughts of suicide, paralysis and death.

    Those seem fun don`t they? But in all seriousness, it is very much not about revenge, but utilizing these individuals for something which is beneficial, since they have failed in every way to contribute to society in a civil manner.

    Having them just rot in jail seems like too much of a waste. Why should innocent people die during drug trials when we have plenty of degenerates locked away?
  63. Profile photo of Cajun247
    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    September 9, 2013 at 9:18 am
    you do realize that judges, attorneys, juries and prosecutors are bias? You make it seem like the people you mentioned above who do this as a job are somehow emotionally sterile and act without any prejudice like Judge Dredd, right?

    You suffer from the delusion that every wrong criminals inflict should justify all wrongs inflicted against them. No one is perfect, but you don`t become less of a human for any crime you commit.

    You`re confusing a dictatorship with being fair to law abiding citizens.

    You`re distorting the definition of `fair` to promote a system that would be too easily abused by the same vile creatures you complain about.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    September 9, 2013 at 9:23 am
    They never have to worry about food or paying the bills, dental and medical come standard and they even receive organ transplants!

    Which comes at the cost of their privacy, and autonomy. Doesn`t matter how well you treat someone incarceration is an injury.

    I feel like I`m the freed prisoner in the Allegory of the Cave trying to explain a world which exists beyond their view of sight, but it is falling on deaf ears.

    Yes I feel enlightened by my own emotional pain.

    Why should innocent people die during drug trials when we have plenty of degenerates locked away?

    Because honest, voluntary, (and most importantly clean) humans make are the best test subjects for any medicine meant for humans.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    September 9, 2013 at 9:25 am
    you do realize that judges, attorneys, juries and prosecutors are bias?

    Of course they are biased, victims are biased thus there needs to be the bias of attorneys and judges to counter it.
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    drawman61 Male 50-59
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    September 9, 2013 at 9:58 am
    cajun: Which comes at the cost of their privacy, and autonomy. Doesn`t matter how well you treat someone incarceration is an injury.

    Boo f****** hoo! You`re just trolling now, aren`t you? That or you`re posting from death row yourself. What cost the victims?? Death in many cases and you`re fretting about the privacy of some stain on humanity. Definitely trolling.
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    Stormith Female 18-29
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    September 9, 2013 at 10:07 am
    They won`t do it because it`s "unethical" even though the government is willing to torture POW`s who may not have even been directly involved with any violent or terrorist acts. It`s all a drating double standard that people have, I agree that we should test on criminals though. Make them put on makeup or get minor colds
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    September 9, 2013 at 10:31 am
    @drawman

    The fact that you`re accusing me of trolling just goes to show the intellectual hole you`ve dug yourself. Bad enough you honestly believe that the moon landings were faked and now THIS
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    whodat6484 Male 30-39
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    September 9, 2013 at 10:38 am
    I`ve always liked George Carlin`s idea about how to get rid of these people.
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
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    September 9, 2013 at 10:50 am
    which requires test subjects to be observed for a 5 years period to see all the possible aftereffects and reactions.
    Why 5 years? Seems fairly arbitrary considering that many effects take longer than five years to present. Not to mention that pharmaceutical research is already a very lengthy process. There really aren`t enough long-term problems with current pharmaceutical standards to necessitate a post-approval-review-before-release strategy. There is no point.

    Having them just rot in jail seems like too much of a waste.
    While I may agree that the current prison system is not very effective, these are still people, and if you knew what we do to lab animals you wouldn`t think it appropriate to do to people either.

    “You can judge a society by how well it treats its prisoners."

    -Fyodor Dostoevsky
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    aliyahg1979 Female 30-39
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    September 9, 2013 at 11:28 am
    @patchgrabber

    I was just using the 5 year term as an example to show that not all trials which are short termed are any more beneficial than the long term trials.

    The whole testing on animals thing is really quite awful especially when these innocent and defenseless animals are bred to be experimented on. I could barely stand to look at one photo of such atrocities.

    As far as people who have committed heinous crimes, I bet they didn`t stop to think about the person who they were going to mutilate`s human rights and their suffering, you know?

    I`ve come in contact with a few individuals in my day who exhibited such high support for violent criminals (like murderers and rapists) and their human rights that their defensive nature was a bit alarming. One of such individuals later killed two people himself, while the other two are serving time in prison for assault with a deadly weapon, kidnapping and multiple sexual assault charges.
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    aliyahg1979 Female 30-39
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    September 9, 2013 at 11:38 am
    @patchgrabber

    "You can judge a society on how it treats its prisoners"

    I have to say that I do not agree with that particular quote by mr. Dostoevsky`s, but he did mention the ethical treatment of living things, including animals throughout his time as he quoted Churchill and others like him. Others have also quoted on how a society should be judged.

    "Any society, any nation, is judged on the basis of how it treats its weakest members ; the last, the least, the littlest."

    ~Cardinal Roger Mahony

    or one of my favorite quotes by Gandhi:

    "The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated. "
    :)
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    patchgrabber Male 30-39
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    September 9, 2013 at 11:40 am
    As far as people who have committed heinous crimes, I bet they didn`t stop to think about the person who they were going to mutilate`s human rights and their suffering, you know?
    This presupposes inherent malice of the offender. Some murders are the product of neglect, safety, substance abuse among many others. That you so callously paint all "violent criminals" with the same brush is something you should think about.

    One of such individuals later killed two people himself,
    What an amusing anecdote, if only an anecdote. Having performed experiments on animals for science before, I always treated them with as much respect and care as I could. However, animal testing is necessary and the ethical approval for such projects can be immense, it`s one of the reasons I work with algae now. Some problems can`t be talked away or hypothesized, they require live testing.
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    aliyahg1979 Female 30-39
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    September 9, 2013 at 11:40 am
    @whodat

    Love him and his hilariously conducive solutions!
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    aliyahg1979 Female 30-39
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    September 9, 2013 at 11:50 am
    As much as I hear about the nature vs. nurture aspect, the only thing that keeps getting stuck in the revolving door is how someone who had a bad childhood is somehow a product of his/her surroundings and therefore is somehow figured out as to why he did what he did.

    Not everyone who grew up in a ghetto is a thug, not everyone who grew up in foster care is a delinquent, and not every person who grew up in the suburbs is well rounded.

    There is no one single thing which determines the choices one makes in his life, which result in a violent outcome. As such, one must take full responsibility for his/her actions as all actions a person performs are a result of autonomy/free will.

    A person who chooses to commit a crime not based on need (stealing a loaf of bread), but on control and violence (rape, murder, torture)make a collective choice to disregard all human life and its intrinsic value.

    Once he disregards all reason, that person no longer holds
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    McDuff73 Male 30-39
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    September 9, 2013 at 12:00 pm
    drawman61 how is treating prisoners humanely unfair to non criminals?
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    aliyahg1979 Female 30-39
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    September 9, 2013 at 12:14 pm
    @patchgrabber

    If only live testing were allowed, hence here we are, discussing such an area now in all its glory. Unfortunately criminals are the aftereffect of their actions who can be studied and enough data could be collected. Every time some POS is released out into the wild due to overcrowding or some bogus technical error, he/she will go back to what he knows. Prisons are not meant to rehabilitate, but to house because people don`t know what to do with them. It is like the war on drugs, hopeless and defies logic that this "problem" could be curbed in any way. Now violent offenses could absolutely be curbed if they are handled in a way which is conducive. Here`s a suggestion, house every single inmate in a separate cell with gated yard space, again single attached to their cell, just like a doggy daycare. Everything will be monitored as usual, no physical contact, no basketball, no working out, no TV. Only a man/woman and his thoughts and the fresh air. To some
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    aliyahg1979 Female 30-39
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    September 9, 2013 at 12:19 pm
    Criminals will think twice before committing a crime if they knew the consequences, like they would be tested on. To these people, working out, reading, watching tv, eating a cafeteria and playing basketball with 3 square meals a day sounds fun and pretty standard. If the consequences for their actions were increased, a possible portion of a dare i call it a solution could very much be plausible.
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    McDuff73 Male 30-39
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    September 9, 2013 at 12:47 pm
    so you want to torture criminals to teach them a lesson aliyah?

    that sounds fair and reasonable and himane!
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    McDuff73 Male 30-39
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    September 9, 2013 at 12:51 pm
    humane*
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    drawman61 Male 50-59
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    September 9, 2013 at 1:19 pm
    cajun/McDuff, You`re twisting things in your own minds. The unfairness of society`s rules is firmly on the victims. Of everything from robbery to rape, molestation to murder. A quick there-there from a doctor or the court now move on. Meanwhile, as has been pointed out already, the low-life lives rent-free, gets free meals, can learn new skills or get educated in between mopping a few floors, watching tv and playing pool. It`s a big game to them as they boast to each other about what they did and what they will do again on the outside. Because that`s what the majority do, they re-offend. Do-gooders like you guys see fit to let them back into society because of their human rights. So more people get assaulted, get raped and get murdered. These creatures are not right in the head and never will be. As aliyahg alluded to, let`s hear what you have to say if the next victim is your mother, sister or daughter. See if you still think these poor hard done to souls are worthy of your sympathy.
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    McDuff73 Male 30-39
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    September 9, 2013 at 1:45 pm
    so you want to lock people up torture them not feed them charge them rent whilst incarcerated.
    Recidivism occurs because not enough time nor money is put into rehabilitation, something else your against, everything I`m saying is a reflection of what you`ve said I`m not twisting anything.
    And if by `do-gooder` you mean someone who doesnt want to see another human tortured them yep I`m proud to be one!
    And not that it makes any difference to the discussion, as its rather infantile to assume that unless you`ve been party to a crime your opinion holds no weight but I and one or two members of my family have been victims of various crimes, it still doesnt make me think retribution is better than justice!
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    September 9, 2013 at 1:46 pm
    Meanwhile, as has been pointed out already, the low-life lives rent-free, gets free meals, can learn new skills or get educated in between mopping a few floors, watching tv and playing pool

    If that bothers you so much perhaps we could move to a system where prisoners can earn money and actually pay for there own rent (other than being used as involuntary test subjects). We can lock up recidivists indefinitely too. The potential for abuse in the system you`re advocating is too great for it to be implemented.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    September 9, 2013 at 2:02 pm
    All of these `perks` come at a great cost:

    You have NO privacy in prison, you will HAVE to play politics with truly unforgivable people, your freedom to move is SEVERELY curtailed. As it stands now there are murderers and rapists who are indeed redeemable but once they`re done have difficulty to adjusting to life outside because prison life has taught them NOT to have mercy. The death penalty as it stands doesn`t do SQUAT to deter murderers, threatening to subject them to involuntary medical tests won`t bear any different results.
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    paperduck Male 18-29
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    September 9, 2013 at 2:21 pm
    This is why policy makers can`t be dumbass ass clowns. This is a really really bad idea, you`d essentially be tying product development to supply of criminals. So a decrease in rape will hinder research. Go get more tattoos douchetard.
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    drawman61 Male 50-59
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    September 9, 2013 at 2:59 pm
    cajun: If that bothers you so much perhaps we could move to a system where prisoners can earn money and actually pay for there own rent

    Well it`s a start. As for rehabilitation, sure for lesser crimes. I`m talking about the sick and twisted that are incapabable of rational thought. You guys would seriously allow the Gein`s, Bundy`s, Dahmer`s, Gacy`s of this world to move into your neighbourhood because it was the humane thing to do?
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    September 9, 2013 at 3:12 pm
    You guys would seriously allow the Gein`s, Bundy`s, Dahmer`s, Gacy`s of this world to move into your neighbourhood because it was the humane thing to do?

    Which is why they`re locked up INDEFINITELY. No parole, no suspended sentence, prison for the rest of their life.
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    McDuff73 Male 30-39
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    September 9, 2013 at 3:13 pm
    "You guys would seriously allow the Gein`s, Bundy`s, Dahmer`s, Gacy`s of this world to move into your neighbourhood because it was the humane thing to do"

    No, and its ridiculous to think thats what we are discussing here.
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    drawman61 Male 50-59
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    September 9, 2013 at 4:46 pm
    That`s exactly what I`ve been talking about. But now I`ve proposed letting them live near you and humanely free you`ve changed your minds. Liberal logic.
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    aliyahg1979 Female 30-39
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    September 9, 2013 at 5:53 pm
    @drawman61

    it`s funny how some people love to twist things around to make them fit their pretty little delusional arguments. Besides the multiple spelling mistakes, I gather `Murika is churning out a whole bunch of redneck soul savers no matter the cost. Considering how in this country the politicians who oppose healthcare are the ones getting it (and their families) for free, I`m not at all surprised how some people support a cause they know nothing about. The second their mother, sister or daughter gets violently raped or murdered, is the moment they will change their tune.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    September 9, 2013 at 6:06 pm
    The second their mother, sister or daughter gets violently raped or murdered, is the moment they will change their tune.

    If this is what happened to you, then it really suggests that your moral compass is compromised, or you have none to begin with.
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    McDuff73 Male 30-39
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    September 9, 2013 at 8:30 pm
    "That`s exactly what I`ve been talking about"

    Well then your talking balls, using extreme examples is risible, the opposite of your apparant logic would be experiment on people locked up for non payment of fines see how stupid extremes in this situation look!?

    "I`m not at all surprised how some people support a cause they know nothing about"

    Maybe you missed the part where I said I and some of my family members had been victims of crime!?

    Still being a victim doesnt give you an exclusive insight into the minds of criminals and the right to choose for anyone who hasnt happened to be a victim how the criminal justice system works, justice isnt predicated on revenge or victimhood.
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    McDuff73 Male 30-39
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    September 9, 2013 at 8:33 pm
    "But now I`ve proposed letting them live near you and humanely free you`ve changed your minds. Liberal logic."

    At no point did I propose mass murderers be let loose, please dont be so childish.
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    drawman61 Male 50-59
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    September 10, 2013 at 2:50 am
    McDuff: apparant logic would be experiment on people locked up for non payment of fines

    Proof that you`ve not listened to a word that`s been said.

    "Maybe you missed the part where I said I and some of my family members had been victims of crime!?"

    I`ll lay odds it`s not the murder or rape we`re trying to get thru to you about.

    turd-"we should just euthanize people who are victims of rape or other traumatic experiences."

    Are you even commenting on the right post??

    @aliyahg - Check if you have a free weekend between now and Christmas, I want to marry you.
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    McDuff73 Male 30-39
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    September 10, 2013 at 10:24 am
    "Proof that you`ve not listened to a word that`s been said"

    except you missed part of my comment either deliberately or stupidly, let me reiterate,
    the OPPOSITE of your apparant logic would be to experiment on people locked up for non payment of fines. Now go back and read that in context where I`m argueing your trying to support your perspective by using extreme examples.

    "I`ll lay odds it`s not the murder or rape we`re trying to get thru to you about"

    You have no clue and dont need to know but you still failed to see the point that you dont have to be a victim to have a valid persepctive.

    I wasnt a victim of the holocaust but I know and understand about it and have a valid perspective on it.
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    dirtysteve00 Male 30-39
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    September 10, 2013 at 10:46 am
    ` but not even in the same league as murder and molestation.`

    Really, molestation is worse than rape?

    Ok,drat her, but don`t feel her up first.

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