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51 Responses to This Is Why You Should Stop Tipping at Restaurants

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    fancylad Male 30-39
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    September 12, 2013 at 2:02 pm
    Link: This Is Why You Should Stop Tipping at Restaurants - Europe doesn`t tip, why the hell does American restaurants strong-arm you to tip--even when service sucks nads?
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    bacon_pie Male 30-39
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    September 12, 2013 at 2:29 pm
    I`ll stop tipping when restaurants pay the waitstaff more than $2.13.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    September 12, 2013 at 2:39 pm

    We tip for better service. We tip because it`s part of the culture. The waitress`s pay scale is absurdly low because it`s assumed she`ll live on the tips she makes. If we all stop tipping you won`t save money, the restaurant will have to up her pay and up the menu price.

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    littleoracle Female 30-39
    322 posts
    September 12, 2013 at 2:40 pm
    I love that when I visited England. Tipping is everywhere here in the states And it`s Obnoxious. Why do I have to tip at my ice cream parlor? The excessive tipping demands I see everywhere tells me employers don`t know how to pay their employees And that employers just want cheap labor and leave it up to the customers to pay their employees. That sucks.
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    Wendypants Female 30-39
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    September 12, 2013 at 2:43 pm
    When going through a drive-thru, getting pick-up/take out, or when restaurant service is absolutely terrible or non-existent then (and ONLY then) don`t tip... there is no excuse for not tipping at (basically) all other times.
    (Unless you`re a complete prick, then feel free to not tip a waiter/waitress).
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    spanz Male 50-59
    894 posts
    September 12, 2013 at 2:48 pm
    American restaurants pay a minimal wage, and expect the wait staff to make up the rest in tips. European restaurants charge more for their food, but pay the wait staff a fair wage. So in US, you pay the same after tipping as if you were eating in the EU.

    THAT said, if I find crummy service (i.e. I wait half an hour to get a cold roll or water), you are not getting a tip out of me! Do a good job, and you will get 20%
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    tedgp Male 30-39
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    September 12, 2013 at 2:53 pm
    There is a reason wendy. The fact i dont want to. For exemplary service, i might do, but i come from a country that provides their workers with a decent wage. Not a country where employers underpay their workers so they are heavily reliant on tips. Then the employers take those tips, `tax` them and give the employee what little is left.
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    Andrew155 Male 18-29
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    September 12, 2013 at 3:12 pm
    So....tipping is racist. They actually just said that.

    And guys, nobody is forcing you to tip. Ever. If you don`t like the service, don`t tip. Don`t be a victim, nobody is forcing you. You`re an individual you can make decisions. If you do like the service, tip. It`s that simple.

    Here`s another "Europe is better than America" discussion. It`s like groundhog day. You know, I`ve been to Europe, I`ve lived there. And it`s really not that different. No, believe me, it`s not.

    But the whole premise is dumb anyways. Not all waiter jobs are the same in America, they vary CONSIDERABLY. Same in Europe (GASP!).

    My Aunt is a waitress and probably takes home at least 100k a year...
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    Andrew155 Male 18-29
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    September 12, 2013 at 3:20 pm
    tedgp, you just made that all up. UK salaries are not exactly "high". And the inequality (gini) coeefficient of the UK compared to America, after taxes and welfare, is really not that different..

    But here`s the average British wage., and here`s the average American wage..

    Not really that big of a deal. It`s almost like all the differences between the countries are a big non-existant hernia that people turn into a mole hill.
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    Nerd_Rage Male 18-29
    425 posts
    September 12, 2013 at 3:21 pm
    Tipping is expected in the USA because businesses use the fact that potential tips may occur to pay their employees less than federal minimum wage. As a tipped employee you will make at least 3 dollars less per hour than the minimum wage. Companies can legally pay you less than minimum because the government permits them to. In short, Europeans pay their employees a reasonable salary for service work while USA does not.
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    Andrew155 Male 18-29
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    September 12, 2013 at 3:26 pm
    Nerd Rage, that`s ridiculous. No waiter makes 4 dollars an hour. You just made that up. Waiters make way more than comparable occupations, a single tip could be more than that. And it`s based on how busy they are - as in you get paid more if you wait more tables. There are people who can easily make over a hundred a night in tips alone.

    My brother is actually a bartender in London. He doesn`t get tipped, doesn`t make much. In America, he makes more.

    So let`s just go and make more stuff up about how waiters are making 4 dollars an hour. Because if we say it, it must be true.
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    CaptKangaroo Male 50-59
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    September 12, 2013 at 3:50 pm
    @Andrew155- If you`re gonna lie about family members in order to attempt to make a point, at least try to make it believable.
    As for `Europe` being just like America, well yeah, it has people- but they speak different languages, have different cultures/customs and in most respects is a lot different than America, just like the country`s that make up the EU differ from one another.
    Having said that, I hope your rich, topless waitress aunt gives financial support to your slacker brother.
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    Nerd_Rage Male 18-29
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    September 12, 2013 at 4:02 pm
    @andrew.. Have you ever seen the inside of a kitchen? you must be under the impression that the only people getting paid less than minimum. My friend works at SONIC drivethru and they pay her 4.25, Why? because she is a tipped employee.
    In a larger establishment, some go as far as to even pay kitchen and cleaning staff under minimum, because typically , tips are divided among employees on a nightly basis. And the only reason they don`t make 4 dollars an hour is BECAUSE THEY GET TIPS. So on a slow night. You will not make minimum wage. Go get a job at a restaurant and come back in here with your ridiculous information.
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    Nerd_Rage Male 18-29
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    September 12, 2013 at 4:04 pm
    @andrew again

    Sorry for a double post

    But your brother in the UK has no bearing here. Why ? they have government subsidies in place to take care of things.. Like healthcare. one of the largest expenses you have in america is health insurance, But if you work at a company that does not provide that and you arent` making at least 40 grand a year, you won`t be able to afford health care, Not now, not ever. Please. Get your facts straight before you rant. You only prove that you`ve never worked in the service industry, Ever.
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    Dad4Life Male 50-59
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    September 12, 2013 at 4:55 pm
    You don`t tip in Europe because the tip is already in the price of the meal. It is often referred to as Service Compris.
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    Listypoos Male 40-49
    3069 posts
    September 12, 2013 at 5:32 pm
    "My brother is actually a bartender in London. He doesn`t get tipped, doesn`t make much. In America, he makes more. "

    After living in both the UK where I`m from and the US where I frequented bars a lot I can believe that.

    Even when I lived on US military bases where the cost of the booze was peanuts we still ended up paying the same as a night in a british base naafi because of the tips.

    Although the measures and atmosphere were better in the US bars...but the cost of bigger measures on spirits wasn`t coming out of the bartender`s pocket whom everyone happily tipped a few dollars per round of drinks.

    When I lived in London the bar staff were usually either foreign born and working for minimum wage or students doing the same... (aside from all the aspiring `actresses` that work in bars the world over) except that here in the UK we`ll usually tell the bar staff that serves us to `have one for yourself too` maybe once or twice a night rather t
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    Listypoos Male 40-49
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    September 12, 2013 at 5:35 pm
    (cont. from previous)


    twice a night rather tip constantly every round of drinks.

    Plus in the UK if you do say `get one for yourself` to a bar worker then they`re usually limited by their bosses as to what `one for yourself` constitutes.... usually you`ll get the reply `thanks, I just take for a half pint and drink it later`.
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    lukeforv123 Male 18-29
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    September 12, 2013 at 5:36 pm
    I don`t mind tipping, but what bugs me the most is the fact that the tip is based purely on the check amount. For example, I was at Denny`s a while back, had probably the best service and friendliest waitress, bill was only $12, so I tipped her $5, roughly 40%. The other day though, I was at some sushi joint where the food was so so and the service was atrocious. The bill though was $80, my girlfriend was embarrassed I didn`t want to tip, so I left a lousy 6% tip which was $5. This dilemma though I guess is reason enough to do away with tipping all together. I work in the service industry and honestly couldn`t care less about the size of my tip let alone if I get one. When one has a job where they are at the mercy of the kindness of complete strangers, they really have no room to complain.
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    Listypoos Male 40-49
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    September 12, 2013 at 5:41 pm
    "You don`t tip in Europe because the tip is already in the price of the meal. It is often referred to as Service Compris."


    Not always it`s not, on quite a lot of menus here in the UK you`ll see `service not included`, but tbh I think that`s more of a marketing ploy by a lot of restaurants to actively try and make the culture in the UK to one similar in the US where tipping is the rule rather than the exception.

    Personally I think tipping for good service is your way of saying `yeah, it really was good thank you`.... whereas in a lot of places I`ve been it`s almost been like they think they`ve earned a tip as soon as you walk in the door and that is their starting point - if they drat up on service then ok they may lose some of the tip `pot` on offer, but they think bad service is there to be deducted rather than the other way round of good service is there to be rewarded.

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    Andrew155 Male 18-29
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    September 12, 2013 at 5:43 pm
    Capt Kangaroo, no, I`m not lying. My Aunt lives in San Antonio and makes 100k waitressing. That`s not average, obviously. But she`s doing it. And you think I`m lying.

    And my brother is married to a Norwegian who works at a Norwegian newspaper in London. She is the primary earner. He can`t get a job different than what he`s doing because the market is difficult. He actually can`t even leave England right now because they are holding his passport.

    I`m just gonna head out of here though, being accused of lying about family members means that it`s pointless to be here. Go frock yourself, I would never lie about my family you pervert.
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    Runemang Male 30-39
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    September 12, 2013 at 5:54 pm
    I tip by quality of service. I`ve got no problem not tipping anything for bad service and tipping 25-30% for great service.
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    Andrew155 Male 18-29
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    September 12, 2013 at 5:59 pm
    These posts that try to elevate countries that are, in the grand scheme of things not so different, above one another must stop.

    Our British friends are not that different. Neither are many of the other countries. Some nuances are different. Tip system is different. But the tips they get make up for the lower pay - the end salary is practically the same.


    If you think our countries are so different, go back to 1914 where you belong.
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    Kegomatix Male 18-29
    1341 posts
    September 12, 2013 at 8:01 pm
    We went out to eat on Monday night. I didn`t tip.

    Why? My wife had the dirty water they use to wipe up tables spilled on her arm, they didn`t apologize. We were never given or even offered refills on our drinks, we had to take them up and get them ourselves. And aside from bringing us our food (you know, the very basics that they are already paid to do) our waiter didn`t once check up on us.

    Yea, no tip. Call me an a$$hole all you want.
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    FAKEBACON Male 18-29
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    September 12, 2013 at 9:28 pm
    Jehovah`s Witnesses are encouraged to tip 15 - 20% wherever they go.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    September 12, 2013 at 9:30 pm
    You son of a BITCH!
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    MrJB Male 18-29
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    September 12, 2013 at 10:08 pm
    I rarely log into sites I`m not automatically logged into, because I`m lazy.

    But this warrants someone stating: Waiters make as low as 2.50 an hour.

    Not tipping would literally starve them to death.

    This article is dumb. The person who wrote it is dumb. I have no idea how someone can be so unaware of the world around them.

    Dumb.
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    Sleepyhallow Male 50-59
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    September 12, 2013 at 10:52 pm
    I have no problem tipping someone who is *Waiting* on me.

    It is the recent prevalence of tip jars sitting on counters that really chaps my behind.

    When your job entails standing at a counter and handing me factory assembled processed food product, there is NOTHING tip worthy in that.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    September 12, 2013 at 10:53 pm

    Europe is famous for bad service so I suggest you start tipping.....ESPECIALLY in the UK.
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    Draculya Male 40-49
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    September 13, 2013 at 12:50 am
    Like many non-Americans, I don`t get American tipping.

    Why would a service business pay minimum wage and then rely on their customers` goodwill (or strong-arming by their staff) to pay a fair wage?

    It just leaves a bad taste in the mouth, particularly as some restaurants` staff often expect much more than 10%, sometimes 25% or more.

    I can accept that a culture may adopt a strange practice of charging for labour separately to the food and environment, but when the expectations of staff and customers don`t meet, it can only be bad for business or labour relations.

    It`s supposed to be optional, but it really is not. You`d be given a really hard time if you didn`t tip and it`s inevitable that foreigners (who may not be used to tipping 18% or more) will be surprised by how much money they are expected to pay.

    I prefer the Japanese way, where the staff are paid properly and will refuse all change as a matter of principle.
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    bendybored Male 18-29
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    September 13, 2013 at 1:05 am
    Tip because 95% of customers are complete douches, and barely deserve to be breathing. 95% of you complain at every chance you get just to demand free food and make these peoples` lives miserable, while you go home and worry about whether you should renovate your kitchen with granite or marble counter tops, as I have heard from some rich non-nice individuals in my job who like to stay literally 45 minutes after closing, when we should be home instead of helping a bunch of spoiled 60 year old men. Also as someone else said, many states that have tipping jobs get way lower minimum wage requirements. They`re making less than $3 if no one tips, though I am sure the rich people don`t care if they starve them to death, as poor people really don`t matter as much as their useless 6 children do.
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    bendybored Male 18-29
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    September 13, 2013 at 1:08 am
    For reference, I work delivery and I make less than 15k total a year in total even with my tips working 30-40 hours a week. Driving my own car, my own mileage, etc. Wish I could rack up the money working a waiter job not having to spend anything on myself during my job hours like I have to doing delivery.
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    bluevayero Male 18-29
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    September 13, 2013 at 1:21 am
    @Gerry1of1 as a customer i will not pay to get a descent service i should have at the first place. my tip is not meant to buy a service, i pay the bill for that reason, but acts as an reward and aknowledgement for a good service. so i will not tip to make the service better, but only when the service is good.
    Also good/bad service may differ from one restaurant/person to the next
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    stk5m Male 18-29
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    September 13, 2013 at 2:26 am
    If you don`t tip at my bar, I will call you out. The regulars will take care of the rest.
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    MrOrange Male 30-39
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    September 13, 2013 at 2:42 am
    @stk5m,

    Be thankfull i don`t visit your bar, i would call you out. my friends would take care of the bar...

    Why don`t you start paying your staff decent wages, so they don`t depend on hand outs from the costumers you seem to feel free to pressure into doing something they don`t want to. or is that lightbulb to hot for ya?

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    Musuko42 Male 18-29
    2850 posts
    September 13, 2013 at 3:18 am
    @Gerry1of1

    "We tip for better service."

    And here, we expect good service as a given, and ask to see a manager to complain if we don`t get it, and don`t eat there again if we`re not satisfied with their response.

    You know...like how you do it with EVERY SINGLE OTHER SERVICE PROVIDED TO YOU BY ANY OTHER BUSINESS.
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    Musuko42 Male 18-29
    2850 posts
    September 13, 2013 at 3:29 am
    @stk5m

    "If you don`t tip at my bar, I will call you out. The regulars will take care of the rest."

    And then your customer will get a nice juicy compensation payout after putting you and your regulars through the legal wringer for threatening (and possibly delivering) assault.

    Where`s your bar? I can handle a few bruises for the $$$$$$$$$. ;)
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    Modwain Male 40-49
    336 posts
    September 13, 2013 at 3:44 am
    in europe we do tip, but not mandatory, for us a tip is recognition and apreciation of great service.

    The idea of a tip being part of someone`s salary is no more then a cheap way of the employers to drop wages. to dumb for words that a whole society goes along with it.

    and yes, i used to work behind the bar and yes i liked getting tips but yes, we had a few times a year where we would donate all the tips given to a charity, because it didnt matter.

    Oh, and tips were split amongste everyone working, so not just the person getting the tip, be it barman or waiter. an equal split would go to the peeps working in the kitchen too and to those that did the cleaning in the mornings.
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    zeplin4u Male 40-49
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    September 13, 2013 at 4:12 am
    Do a good job, get a good tip, do a great job, get a great tip, do a crappy job, get no tip, an explanation why and a suggestion of a different line of work.
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    trippyhippy9 Male 18-29
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    September 13, 2013 at 4:49 am
    Do people not understand that when the wages of half your staff goes up, your menu prices go up too?

    People act like tipping is extra money that wouldn`t be spent if the servers got paid more.

    That is some terribly flawed logic.
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    Kegomatix Male 18-29
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    September 13, 2013 at 5:35 am
    @bendybored

    Sorry, I don`t feel bad for you. If you hate it that much then get a better job. I make roughly 60k a year but worked my ass off to get here.
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    Wendypants Female 30-39
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    September 13, 2013 at 5:41 am
    @tegdp, I`m curious: have you ever worked a service position where you had to take order and then deliver food to customers? (In North America, I mean.) Oh, your profile says you`re from Europe.
    If you haven`t I dare you to try it over here and live without any tips. See what it feels like. The ONLY reason to not tip a waiter/waitress in N.A. is terrible/non-existent service.
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    Wendypants Female 30-39
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    September 13, 2013 at 5:47 am
    @Kegomatix, I wouldn`t call you an ass*hole: you were given pooty service... THAT`S when you`re SUPPOSES to not tip, to show the waiter/waitress that they`ve fu*ked up.
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    Wendypants Female 30-39
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    September 13, 2013 at 5:49 am
    @sleepyhallow, EXACTLY RIGHT! :)
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    MrOrange Male 30-39
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    September 13, 2013 at 6:22 am
    "People act like tipping is extra money that wouldn`t be spent if the servers got paid more. That is some terribly flawed logic."

    The flaw in your logic is this: The money spent is the same since tipping is "mandatory" anyway.

    it also takes away the beauty of a real tip, the one where you say: sir or mam, the way you served us today made such a contribution to my evening out, that i`d like you to have this as a token of my apreciation. instead off: right hang on, your boss is a cheapskate so i have to pay 10 or is it 15% of your wages just becuase you work here.
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    MrOrange Male 30-39
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    September 13, 2013 at 6:27 am
    " THAT`S when you`re SUPPOSES to not tip, to show the waiter/waitress that they`ve fu*ked up."

    NOPE. i`m suposed to enjoy my evening out. your fuc.k.i.ng BOSS needs to tell you when you do a bad job, why the F is that my responsibility all of a sudden?
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    Musuko42 Male 18-29
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    September 13, 2013 at 7:46 am
    @MrOrange

    "NOPE. i`m suposed to enjoy my evening out. your fuc.k.i.ng BOSS needs to tell you when you do a bad job, why the F is that my responsibility all of a sudden?"

    Exactly!

    And I couldn`t agree more about taking away the beauty of the tip.
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    spanerbulb Male 30-39
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    September 14, 2013 at 12:38 am
    Employers should pay a decent wage, people shouldn`t have to rely on tips.
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    Neoptolemos Male 30-39
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    September 14, 2013 at 6:44 am
    Europe DOES tip, your argument is invalid
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    lemaxwell Female 18-29
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    September 15, 2013 at 9:52 am
    tipping isn`t mandatory, first of all. secondly, the reason servers get paid $2.13 an hour, and thus rely on tips, is so cheap idiots like yall can enjoy a $10 dollar steak that would cost three times as much in europe. quit ya bitchin and get over it. just leave a tip.
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    Wendypants Female 30-39
    2420 posts
    September 18, 2013 at 5:58 am
    Uhh, it`s because MrOrange, that most bosses don`t follow around all of their employees all the time every day and so a lot of their mistakes can be missed.... if the customer doesn`t pass on their problems/experiences the boss is not going to know, not going to know to deal with that employee.
    Don`t you ever wonder why there are those suggestion/comment boxes in businesses? This is what they`re for :)
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    sosueme1966 Male 40-49
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    September 20, 2013 at 1:29 pm
    I love tipping. It makes me happy to reward people who`ve served me. I don`t care if it`s their job, I don`t care if people in other countries don`t do it. It`s good karma. If you`re that obsessed with hanging on to your money, eat at home.

    If servers were paid minimum wage without tips, no one worth a damn would do it for a living. Tipping allows skilled professional servers to earn a living the restaurant owner could NEVER afford to pay them. It`s not rocket science.

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