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51 Responses to The Truth And Lies Behind 9/11

  1. Profile photo of 747Pilot
    747Pilot Male 18-29
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    September 14, 2013 at 2:28 pm
    Link: The Truth And Lies Behind 9/11 - A king of terrororism or what?
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    Crabes Male 30-39
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    September 15, 2013 at 8:36 am
    not again with this stupidity
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    SmagBoy1 Male 40-49
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    September 15, 2013 at 8:41 am
    The human mind is designed to see patterns. In the absence of patterns, our minds make them up. See the constellations for an example. To different cultures the same constellations are different shapes/characters, etc. However, noting that a group of stars makes the shape of a big dipper, or a little dipper, or a bear, etc., does not make those stars into a functional ladle, or bear. So, there`s that...
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    September 15, 2013 at 9:00 am
    1:23 minutes? Um, no thanks!

    If you cannot summarize your position in a quick, simple manner? 5 minutes or less? It`s probably not very accurate. Why pad it with endless blathering?

    This is (most likely, I`m not wasting that much time on it) Counter-Intelligence from the US Government, designed to make ACTUAL questions about 9/11 look foolish (through association).

    I have plenty of doubts and questions, but I am in no way "a truther" eh?

    Same for many of the "Great Conspiracies" of our age: there`s more to it than "the official story". The USA isn`t the only one with secrets either...
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    davymid Male 30-39
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    September 15, 2013 at 9:04 am
    This same old horsewank crazy moonbat conspiracy theory sh*t again? For an hour and a half? No thanks.

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    5Cats Male 50-59
    31762 posts
    September 15, 2013 at 9:05 am
    One could break the large picture into 4 x 5 minute segments:

    Twin Towers (AA-11 and UA-175)
    Building 7 (and the `Practice Drill`)
    Pentagon (AA-77)
    UA Flight 93

    That`s still only 20 minutes, and we can skip what we don`t have doubts about :-)

    But NOOOO! Lumping everything together is an easy way to obfuscate, yes?
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    davymid Male 30-39
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    September 15, 2013 at 9:07 am
    p.s. Welcome back, TheGuySmiley/747Pilot. Try to behave yourself this time around.
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    Grendel Male 40-49
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    September 15, 2013 at 9:32 am
    The Truth? If you believe moonbat conspiracy theory sh*t, the truth is you are an idiot.

    The Lies? Crap like this video.


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    djwajda Male 40-49
    885 posts
    September 15, 2013 at 9:45 am
    All I needed to see was who posted this. Not sure who is in more need of help, him or @drawman.
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    djwajda Male 40-49
    885 posts
    September 15, 2013 at 9:49 am
    Oh and the truth is, this is a hot steamy pile of...lies
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    djwajda Male 40-49
    885 posts
    September 15, 2013 at 9:52 am
    Darn I almost forgot the most important part, if you believe this then you believe your very own country was involved which makes them just as much a terrorist state. :)
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    September 15, 2013 at 9:53 am
    "This same old horsewank crazy moonbat conspiracy theory sh*t again?"

    Yup, I`m afraid the hardcore "truthers" will never give up. No explanation will suffice, no scientific evidence will persuade them.
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    djwajda Male 40-49
    885 posts
    September 15, 2013 at 10:02 am

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    davymid Male 30-39
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    September 15, 2013 at 10:16 am
    Crakr, you and I don`t always see eye to eye, but on this, we agree 100%.
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    Kegomatix Male 18-29
    1341 posts
    September 15, 2013 at 10:25 am
    Figured it had to be Drawman. Second guess was TheGuySmiley, oh, I mean 747Pilot.
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    gymcoach29 Male 30-39
    363 posts
    September 15, 2013 at 10:28 am
    Yea, CrakrJak, no amount of evidence will convince me of the truth either...The government is a benevolent entity that would never do harm to protect its own ass or steal more wealth for themselves. Just like all that stupid evidence of Obama`s birth certificate..He is a good christian american and only wants the best for America...
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    747Pilot Male 18-29
    1455 posts
    September 15, 2013 at 11:03 am
    YES! a king of terrorism for sure!
  18. Profile photo of djwajda
    djwajda Male 40-49
    885 posts
    September 15, 2013 at 11:53 am
    Just like all that stupid evidence of Obama`s birth certificate

    Oh lordy a truther AND a birther in the same post..


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    Andrew155 Male 18-29
    2579 posts
    September 15, 2013 at 12:05 pm
    Honestly, how much trolling is here right now? 40%, 50%, 60%?
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    drawman61 Male 50-59
    7707 posts
    September 15, 2013 at 2:27 pm
    Once again, people admitting here that they can`t be bothered watching because it`s beyond their 2 minute concentration capacity. Yet they still spout on about it`s content or that they know better.
    You `know` what you have been told to know. And you believe what you have been conditioned to believe.
    The evidence is so overwhelming you could only be brainwashed or a complete moron not to see it.
    Unfortunately, you are also the types to march blindly into war-zones on the other side of the world to protect `American soil`??? Or worse still, send your sons and daughters to their deaths in exchange for that little triangle of flag.
    It`s hard to know whether to laugh at you or pity you for your ignorance.
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    ferdyfred Male 40-49
    13596 posts
    September 15, 2013 at 3:02 pm
    I blame the Belgians
  22. Profile photo of djwajda
    djwajda Male 40-49
    885 posts
    September 15, 2013 at 3:03 pm
    Ummmmm no we don`t watch it because it`s 2 minutes of the same rehashed drivel the nutcases try to pass off as `truth`. They continue to make videos like this because they suck people like you @drawman and @747 in hook, line and sinker.

    I `know` what scientific evidence and experts have determined. The evidence supported by said experts as you say, is so overwhelming that only a moron or complete idiot would buy a cheaply made video with crappy music and terrible voiceovers as fact.

    It`s easy to laugh at you because I certainly do not pity your ignorance.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    31762 posts
    September 15, 2013 at 6:34 pm
    I blame the Belgians
    @ferdyfred: LOLZ! It was them! They`re worse than the Swiss!
    I just learned about the "Congo Genocide" that Belgium carried out. Puts Hitler and Stalin and Mao to shame!! All done in the name of money...

    747Pilot & @drawman61: I`ve seen plenty of these videos. There is no "new evidence" at all: same stuff re-hashed. Why drag it out for over an hour?

    I have no doubt: There ARE PLENTY of Government conspiracies! Just not these PARTICULAR ones...

    And I repeat: There`s probably authentic questions in this film, but they`re lost among the tinfoil-hattery. Is that by accident or "on purpose"?

    My conspiracy theory IS ABOUT conspiracy theories! :-)
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    richanddead Male 18-29
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    September 15, 2013 at 6:44 pm



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    Draculya Male 40-49
    14544 posts
    September 15, 2013 at 8:52 pm
    I`m just not watching any more of these stupid 9/11 conspiracies.

    America and Israel p*ssed off the world, especially the Sunnis and so they flew a few of America`s planes into their own buildings. End of story.
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    turdburglar Male 30-39
    4710 posts
    September 15, 2013 at 11:10 pm

    This only supports the conspracy theory that 747pilot is really (theguysmiley).
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    31762 posts
    September 16, 2013 at 1:48 am
    @richanddead: DAWG! I heard a conspiracy about that! ;-)

    @turdy: Ok buddy! Time for your tinfoil hat!!! That`s just `crazy talk`!

    (I joke! It`s not a conspiracy at all, eh?)
    (afaik of course...)
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    Musuko42 Male 18-29
    2850 posts
    September 16, 2013 at 3:33 am
    @drawman61

    We`re not watching it for the same reason we`re not listening to Scientologists.

    Have a guess why that might be.
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    Wayoldman Male 50-59
    72 posts
    September 16, 2013 at 3:54 am
    Very long winded. I have no doubt that there could have been a conspiracy, but the everyday person is never going to find the truth nor find a way to force the government to look for it. The rich and powerful of the world will always find ways to cover their asses.
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    New_Guy Male 30-39
    406 posts
    September 16, 2013 at 4:20 am
    @wayoldmanhave you heard of The french revolution.
  31. Profile photo of kvetcher
    kvetcher Male 50-59
    213 posts
    September 16, 2013 at 5:19 am
    Although I realise this is silly, could I try this idea out? One of the main points of 9/11 deniers (or whatever they call themselves) is that aviation fuel burns at a lower temperature than steel, so the towers could not have been brought down just by that.
    The towers, like all skyscrapers, were built with a central core, mostly hollow, with elevators and services running up, then the floors are built out from the core. Now, when the jets hit, they exploded and started fires. If the central core was cracked, then it acts as a giant chimney sucking air up to intensify the fire.
    It`s exactly like starting a fire in a hearth - the paper ignites the wood, then you put a sheet of newspaper over nearly all the opening and air rushes in and ignites the coal, even though wood burns at a lower temperature than coal.
    I can`t be the first person to have this idea - is it stupid?
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    Simbosan Male 40-49
    159 posts
    September 16, 2013 at 5:52 am
    More linkbait from IAB.
  33. Profile photo of Musuko42
    Musuko42 Male 18-29
    2850 posts
    September 16, 2013 at 8:20 am
    @kvetcher

    You`re on the right kind of lines. Specifically; the environment affects the temperatures reached by something that`s burning. That`s why you can put the same wood in a fireplace and in a blast furnace and get warm feet with one and molten metal with the other. Similarly, burn petrol in a bucket in an open field and you`ll get a vastly different effect to if you burn it inside your car engine.

    Not to mention the buildings were full of flammable things, not just the fuel.

    Additionally, the steel in question loses most of its strength at temperatures much lower than its melting point, well within the range of the temperatures of an aviation fuel fire raging in an office building.

    Why the conspiracy theorists got so fixated on the neccessity for the steel to melt, I don`t know. Didn`t they do metalworking in school, and see just how easy it was to bend an iron bar after you`ve held a blowtorch to it?
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    31762 posts
    September 16, 2013 at 9:00 am
    @Musuko42 & @kvetcher: You are both correct! Once the Twin Towers started burning? They had: fuel + air = fire! It weakened the steel supports and under massive load they buckled.
    Seems simple to me!

    I honestly believe that people who push the "fire cannot melt steel" theory are either idiots or Gov`t agents. Honestly!

    There`s plenty of "other questions" that get far less attention & remain unanswered.

    That doesn`t >necessarily< require a massive conspiracy to answer them! Most will be "reasonably answered" sooner or later, I think.



    Especially on the internet! ;-)
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    drawman61 Male 50-59
    7707 posts
    September 16, 2013 at 10:14 am
    kvetcher, musuko, 5cats, your statements just proved you didn`t even bother watching the vid. You would have had the whole heat vs metal vs air debate explained to you.
    I get that things like this upset your fairytale view of society so I won`t ask you to apologise when the truth does one day come out.
  36. Profile photo of Musuko42
    Musuko42 Male 18-29
    2850 posts
    September 16, 2013 at 11:07 am
    @drawman61

    Of course we didn`t bother. We`ve heard it ALL before.

    It`s been twelve years for pity`s sake. I highly doubt there`s a single thing in that video that we haven`t heard said and seen refuted over and over and over before.
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    Musuko42 Male 18-29
    2850 posts
    September 16, 2013 at 11:09 am
    @drawman61

    PS, come on man, you`re in your 50s. Go do something more interesting. You should have a sweet convertable sports car to drive by your age. You can afford the insurance on that. Us young brats can`t.

    Go have fun outside before winter sets in and gets in the way.
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    kvetcher Male 50-59
    213 posts
    September 16, 2013 at 12:12 pm
    @drawman61
    I resent that: I watched as far as 2.01, where they asked how a fire can destroy a steel building when the melting point of steel is higher than the temperature of burning aviation fuel. Honestly, I didn`t stick around for the next hour and a bit of:
    -Larry Silverstein blew up WTC7 to destroy incriminating documents in the DA`s office.
    -The planes were only holograms
    -The hole in the Pentagon wasn`t big enough...
    and so on.
    Seen it all before.
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    kvetcher Male 50-59
    213 posts
    September 16, 2013 at 12:17 pm
    @Musuko42
    Also, to go off at a total tangent, you can make metal malleable by rubbing it very hard to heat it:
    hence Uri Geller`s "magic" spoon-bending.
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    drawman61 Male 50-59
    7707 posts
    September 16, 2013 at 12:28 pm
    kvetcher/musuko- I`ll bet your ancestors were the first to cry `Witch` when a woman tried to speak up for herself or demanded people be burned at the stake for claiming the Earth was round not flat. Luckily for mankind`s development, other people weren`t afraid to put their heads above the parapet.
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    kvetcher Male 50-59
    213 posts
    September 16, 2013 at 1:44 pm
    @rawman 61
    Speaking for myself, my ancestors were too busy dodging nutjobs who thought the Jews were behind every disaster, crop failure, poisoned well....
    No change there then,,,,
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    31762 posts
    September 16, 2013 at 9:59 pm
    @Drawman61: My opening post stated that I did NOT watch. And as pointed out? The video OPENS with those "questions" about jet fuel and steel.

    My ancestors were pacifists, they were driven out of one country after another before safely arriving in Canada... I`m not a pacifist though, just fyi... :pbbt:

    @kvetcher: Yeah, I can "bend spoons" too! (It`s true!) Geller was a fraud. It`s fine to be a magician, but to claim spiritual powers and solicit money = No-No!

    However: The Pentagon was not hit by a 757 aircraft, in my analysis. No damage from the 2x6 TON Engines? Not even a broken window? C`mon! And a HOST of other issues.

    AND there`s two clear videos of the Pentagon Attack, both sealed and unseen by the public OR the 9/11 Commission!
    Release the videos? No more questions!
    The "leaked video" (twice!) in grainy black & white was EDITED so we cannot see the aircraft involved! = WTH?
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    Musuko42 Male 18-29
    2850 posts
    September 17, 2013 at 3:31 am
    @5Cats

    "However: The Pentagon was not hit by a 757 aircraft, in my analysis."

    Your analysis of what happens when a passenger jet hits an armoured military building is about as useful as my analysis of the techniques used in brain surgery.

    Other people are experts on the subjects. We are not. We shouldn`t presume to think our opinions are worth anything in comparison to theirs.

    It`s not elitism. They`ve EARNED their expertise. We haven`t. And until we have, we`re like a two year old telling daddy how to drive his car; ignorant, ignorable, and ridiculous.

    @drawman61

    No part of who you are is playing any part in advancing the human race, and I am glad that we are likely to only have to put up with another 20 or so years of you.
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    drawman61 Male 50-59
    7707 posts
    September 17, 2013 at 7:23 am
    Masuko, you`re embarassing yourself now. This is an adult discussion. Wouldn`t younbe better off on bebo with the other children.

    At least 5cats has clearly watched the evidence whereas you seem to have picked up your knowledge from Nickelodian.
    The sad thing about my passing is the thought that the world will be left to halfwits like your good self.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    31762 posts
    September 17, 2013 at 7:57 am
    @Musuko42: The "official story" is what`s the problem, and the fact that parts of the truth are being withheld from the public.

    Like "The Magic Bullet"? It`s easier to believe in a vast conspiracy than THAT!

    "The wings folded up on impact, the fuselage turned to plasma, the tail section completely disintegrated, but 90+% of the human bodies were recovered."

    Meat is stronger than metal? That`s the OS for the Pentagon... folding wings? At 500 miles per hour?

    The VERY first thing I said when I watched the news was: Where`s the tail section? It was not outside NOR inside the Pentagon, it was... GONE!
    Even when aircraft that size smash into mountains of solid rock? the tail section survives! It`s that strong!
    So? Where did it go?
    Two (at least) videos clearly show what happened, like the Zapruder film: let the public see them!
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    carmium Female 50-59
    6381 posts
    September 17, 2013 at 8:28 am
    I can`t believe you guys are still hashing this over. There were videos, people. And witnesses. Everyone knows pretty clearly what happened.
    You truthers need a new hobby. Model trains, maybe.
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    Musuko42 Male 18-29
    2850 posts
    September 17, 2013 at 10:09 am
    @5Cats

    "Like "The Magic Bullet"? It`s easier to believe in a vast conspiracy than THAT!"

    The seats in the presidential limo weren`t directly lined up. They were offset. When you factor that in, the bullet holes line up perfectly.

    It`s THAT kind of thing we`re all sick of going over and over again. Stupid assumptions (the seats were in a line, metal needs to melt to bring down a building, aircraft debris must be left behind when hitting an armoured military building head on) leading to stupid conclusions.

    It`s not the "official" story. It`s the story told by every expert who looks at the events.

    If you want to distrust the experts, then don`t go to a doctor when you`re sick.
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    Musuko42 Male 18-29
    2850 posts
    September 17, 2013 at 10:11 am
    @5Cats.

    To illustrate the magic bullet:

    How conspiracy nuts think it happened.

    How it actually happened.
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    Musuko42 Male 18-29
    2850 posts
    September 17, 2013 at 10:14 am
    @drawman61

    Are you drunk? Your spelling fell down a hole in your last post.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    31762 posts
    September 17, 2013 at 4:19 pm
    @Musuko42: The "MB" was `pristine`, not something that went through a man, (literally) THEN a man`s rib, bounced off his wrist and hit his leg.
    More lead was removed from his wrist alone than the mass lost by that bullet. There was also lead in chest and leg too. Magic!
    The Governor is still holding his hat as he turns, despite the (OS Story) shattering of his wrist?
    The MB stuck in his pants (or leg) and then fell out in the hospital? Where it was discovered by a passing cop as it lay (unnoticed) on a gurney? Riiiiight!

    There`s more! So much more! That`s just some of the flaws in the "magic bullet".

    There`s also TONS of other questions. TONS! Sure, it`s likely that many have "simple answers". So let`s hear them!

    The US Gov`t, I mean, not you @Musuko42 :-)

    Less than 27% of Americans believe the Warren Report...
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    31762 posts
    September 17, 2013 at 4:40 pm
    @Musuko42: Don`t forget: The Counter Intelligence Program has flooded the world with "Crazy JFK Theories" to deflect and distract.
    That`s not a theory, it`s a fact!
    And MLK, and RFK, and UFOs, and many 100s more! It`s their JOB after all.

    Single Bullet Theory Lays out the "Official Story" in all it`s Glory!! Followed by "the known facts" and then the skepticism over the SBT.

    Fact: 3 shots came from the book depository. (even this is disputed = lolz! What a mess!)
    Shot #3 Hit JFK in the head.
    Shot #2 Missed the whole car completely
    Shot #1 Is the "Magic Bullet" and (therefor) HAD TO DO all the rest of the damage.

    There`s LOTS more problems with the OS too...

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