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50 Responses to Obama`s Negotiation Plans

  1. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
    32805 posts
    September 21, 2013 at 7:22 am
    Link: Obama`s Negotiation Plans - Enemies = Yes! Republicans = No!
  2. Profile photo of Kain1
    Kain1 Male 18-29
    1473 posts
    September 21, 2013 at 7:31 am
    *sigh*

    Go home 5Cats, you`re drunk..
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    CodeJockey Male 40-49
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    September 21, 2013 at 7:46 am

    Cats, I bet you $100 you don`t know why the US was going to attack Syria AND an additional $100 you don`t know why the attack is not happenning already.
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    Andrew155 Male 18-29
    2579 posts
    September 21, 2013 at 8:16 am
    Haven`t you heard 5cats, these people don`t like it when you talk badly of dear leader. They only want a Progressive circle jerk like reddit, which they will define as "fair" or "nonpartisan".
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    patchouly Male 40-49
    4746 posts
    September 21, 2013 at 8:16 am
    Oh 5Cats...You silly guy.

    How about more cat pictures?
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17514 posts
    September 21, 2013 at 8:18 am
    CodeJockey: I`m betting your bet is as fake and/or you don`t even have $200 on you right now. Because if you did, and you have paying any damned attention to IAB posts lately, you`d know that he knows and wouldn`t make such a stupid bet.
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    Dad4Life Male 50-59
    2081 posts
    September 21, 2013 at 8:27 am
    Obama is such a piece of poo.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    September 21, 2013 at 8:46 am
    Not that I approve of Obama`s job, but since when was Russia an enemy, other than the Cold War?
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    Deadlyjudas Male 40-49
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    September 21, 2013 at 8:49 am
    Like Republicans EVER wanted to actually negotiate on ANYTHING! What a joke.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    September 21, 2013 at 9:08 am

    blah blah blah
    As if the republicans are so open to compromise?


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    MelCervini Female 50-59
    2194 posts
    September 21, 2013 at 9:27 am
    "raising the debt ceiling doesn`t increase our debt" lmmfao!!!!!! Obamanomics 101!
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    MrOrange Male 30-39
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    September 21, 2013 at 9:42 am
    why did i know this would be a 5mads post..

    Boooooooring.. (and stupid)
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    MrOrange Male 30-39
    2402 posts
    September 21, 2013 at 9:44 am
    "raising the debt ceiling doesn`t increase our debt" lmmfao!!!!!! Obamanomics 101!

    the qouted sentence is perfectly logical and true.

    just becuase you are allowed to drive faster on certian roads does not mean you do drive faster.
    or is that to complicated for you?
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    flying_ltj Male 18-29
    340 posts
    September 21, 2013 at 10:06 am
    How`d I know 1note submitted this? Oh yeah, cuz he`s 1note and cant submit anything other than right wing political propaganda.
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    Viking864 Male 40-49
    1444 posts
    September 21, 2013 at 10:15 am
    Mr Orange: Explain to me how that is logical when in the past several years EVERYTIME it has been increased, the total debt has caught up with that limit and it has to be increased again?

    Or is that too complicated for you?
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    rtevis1 Female 18-29
    31 posts
    September 21, 2013 at 10:26 am
    wow...radical liberals are sooooo mellow and unbiased, said no one ever. i can`t stand either side...thank you. i prefer a fence post to be shoved up my ass at all times.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    32805 posts
    September 21, 2013 at 10:58 am
    @Kain1: Um, and you know this... how? Exactly?
    Because only an intoxicated person would DARE point out the truth about Obama?

    @CodeJockey: You lose Bet #1 AND You lose bet #2
    Please send my $200USD ASAP! Thanks.

    @Cajun247: "Adversary" for sure, and Syria & Iran are currently "USA`s Enemies" according to Obama...

    @flying_itj: You know for a fact that is not true, so STFU! k-thx!

    @MrOrange: HAHAHAHAHAAAA! Oh that`s FUNNY!
    If Obama did not INTEND TO SPEND MORE... WHY raise the debt ceiling AT ALL?

    Answer me that, boyo...

    @Gerry1: Actually? The Repubs have SEVERAL compromises already ON THE TABLE. But Obama (and the Dems) refuse to even discuss it.

    Oh yeah, it must be the Republican`s fault there`s no negotiations! = libtards everywhere.

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    MrOrange Male 30-39
    2402 posts
    September 21, 2013 at 11:35 am
    Viking864

    perhaps you need to read my post again, i think you may have missed something?. It stated that the sentence is correct.

    Whatever happens after that depends on who does what how, and is quite irrelevant to the trueness of said statement.

    (as per example of the raising of the speedlimitm you may drive faster, you can drive faster but you don`t have to and it is not a given that you will)
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    MrOrange Male 30-39
    2402 posts
    September 21, 2013 at 11:41 am
    @5cats..

    1: you missed the point, but thats nothing new is it? 2: Really? Obama spends the money? poo, that`s the best job ever. Next round is on me guys!

    i`m curious if you get what i just said. let me know?
  20. Profile photo of 5Cats
    5Cats Male 50-59
    32805 posts
    September 21, 2013 at 11:43 am
    @MrOrange: No answer, eh?

    How about this: What ELSE can Obama possibly do? He has NO plans to stop deficit spending, PERIOD! So he WILL for a fact increase the DEBT in the rest of his term. That`s a fact!

    He refuses to even DISCUSS the matter! It`s "gimmie more money" and that`s it! No intention of EVER stopping or even slowing his spending spree...
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    whodat6484 Male 30-39
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    September 21, 2013 at 11:51 am

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    5Cats Male 50-59
    32805 posts
    September 21, 2013 at 11:56 am
    US Debt When Obama took Office: 10,626,877,048,913.08

    US Debt Today: 16,738,503,812,337.79

    In 56 months he`s added 6,112,000,000 (apx)
    That`s 109.14 bb per month
    Extrapolated to the next President = 10,477,744,000 (apx) in NEW DEBT under HIS Presidency.

    And he shows no sign of even TRYING to slow it down.

    In fact? Once Obamacare spending kicks in? It could easily get worse!
    Interest rates rise 1% or 2%? = disaster!
    & etc.

    But I must dislike him because of his skin colour! Obviously.

    FYI: Bush added 51 bb per month, apx, during his term.
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
    15841 posts
    September 21, 2013 at 12:06 pm
    This is easily explainable. Obama considers Republicans to be his enemies, and communists to be his friends. Does this surprise anyone? Obama has openly expressed his disdain for the constitution, describing it as a "charter of negative liberties." In his heart of hearts, he is, in fact, an authoritarian socialist. It`s no wonder he identifies more closely with Putin that with Republicans.
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    SmagBoy1 Male 40-49
    4432 posts
    September 21, 2013 at 2:30 pm
    More misuse of statistics. If we don`t understand obligation of funds and appropriations, we shouldn`t comment on whose administration increased the debt, and by what amounts. Other than saying that, I`m not even going to waste my time debunking this nonsense.
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    MrPeabody Male 30-39
    1920 posts
    September 21, 2013 at 3:40 pm
    rtevis1
    Female, 18-29, Midwest US

    "i prefer a fence post to be shoved up my ass at all times."

    Go on, we`re listening....
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    lauriloo Female 40-49
    1803 posts
    September 21, 2013 at 4:30 pm
    "WHY raise the debt ceiling AT ALL?"

    Because the debt ceiling is tied to the money ALREADY SPENT, not future debt. It doesn`t restrict spending at all. It simply authorizes the Treasury to pay the bills that already exist. It`s a lot like getting your boss`s signature on an invoice for a piece of equipment you bought so a check is issued to the vendor you bought it from. If you can`t get the signature, your company defaults on the obligation and is in trouble.

    The debt ceiling has never been a bargaining chip before Obama came along and the GOP decided to make it one to block progress. The debt ceiling *used* to be a no-brainer vote to cover the money spent during the prior year, which, by the way, the congress had approved all along the way.

    Debt ceiling definition
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    lauriloo Female 40-49
    1803 posts
    September 21, 2013 at 4:43 pm
    SO when the GOP threatens to block the debt ceiling increase, they aren`t trying to force fiscal responsibility. They are actually threatening to make the US default on its obligations, which would likely lower our credit rating (like it did when they nearly did it in 2011) and would send the stock market on a spiral downwards. Its a traitorous act, in my opinion, to purposely extort the president like this.
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
    15841 posts
    September 21, 2013 at 4:57 pm
    The debt ceiling has never been a bargaining chip before Obama came along and the GOP decided to make it one to block progress.
    Lauriloo, you just won the liberal f***tard of the month award with that one.

    "The fact that we are here today to debate raising America`s debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the U.S. government can`t pay its own bills. ... I therefore intend to oppose the effort to increase America`s debt limit."

    -- Then-Sen. Barack Obama, floor speech in the Senate, March 16, 2006
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    Runemang Male 30-39
    2676 posts
    September 21, 2013 at 5:13 pm
    Because Republicans can`t nuke the white house?
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    Grendel Male 40-49
    6165 posts
    September 21, 2013 at 5:14 pm
    lauriloo-"The debt ceiling has never been a bargaining chip before Obama came along"

    You`re either ignorant or lying. I`ll give you the benifit of a doubt and just consider you ignorant of the subject matter.

    There was a debt limit crisis in 2002 which took 7 months to resolve, with a Democratic controlled Senate and Bush as Presiddent.

    Plus a particular Senator (who will remain nameless but is currently president) opposed the any debt limit increase under Bush (damn, but the fact we can look up his history certainly sucks, don`t it?).
  31. Profile photo of lauriloo
    lauriloo Female 40-49
    1803 posts
    September 21, 2013 at 8:38 pm
    OldOllie- yes, Obama voted against it but it passed anyway. Not the same situation then, now is it?

    In 2002, the debt limit was raised in June and then raised again in Dec. This is under good ol Bush`s spending policies and huge tax break giveaways. Only a couple years after doing great under Clinton when the US budget was in surplus.

    Question is, was any delay related to a hostage situation to get something unrelated to debt, like the current situation or was it a pure statement about rising debt? Can you answer that (without your gratuitous insults regarding my intellect)? I can`t seem to find anything that says the dems ever used a debt ceiling vote as an extortion device to get something else.
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
    15841 posts
    September 21, 2013 at 10:25 pm
    OldOllie- yes, Obama voted against it but it passed anyway. Not the same situation then, now is it?
    The vote on the debt ceiling was still pending at the time when Obama made his statement, just as it is now, so in fact, it`s EXACTLY the same situation now as then.

    You claim the Dems didn`t use the debt ceiling debate to gain anything? So, I guess they just did it out of pure spite. Oh, yeah, that`s a WHOLE lot better.

    Your award is still safe.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    September 22, 2013 at 4:32 am
    lauriloo: "In 2002, the debt limit was raised in June and then raised again in Dec. This is under good ol Bush`s spending policies..."

    That was under a democrat led house and senate, Bush had no choice, other than to shutdown the government and leave our troops out in the lurch.

    Obama simply doesn`t care about a shutdown. This last sequester, he told all the agencies to make it "as painful as promised" even if they had flexibility in their budgets to avoid cutting services. He even ended WH tours over a 8.6% cut, sorry but that is just being d|ckish.
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    Kain1 Male 18-29
    1473 posts
    September 22, 2013 at 4:44 am
    The debt ceiling does not actually restrict deficits. In effect, it can only restrain the Treasury from paying for expenditures that have already been incurred.

    ^Wikipedia^

    @5Cats: Because only a drunk person would make such an obvious mistake.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    32805 posts
    September 22, 2013 at 5:30 am
    I can`t seem to find anything that says the dems ever used a debt ceiling vote as an extortion device to get something else.
    @lauriloo: They absolutely DID! And did so under Reagan too! It`s called POLITICS! It`s called "negotiation", give & take, make a deal!
    Absolutely.

    How can "bi-partisan agreement" be reached if ONE SIDE says "zero negotiation"?

    That is the current reality: Obama says NO NEGOTIATIONS with the Repubs, period! Ok?

    The USA had it`s credit limit reduced under Obama, with Dem Senate and Dem house... must be the Republicans` Fault!
    BUUUUUSH did it!
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    32805 posts
    September 22, 2013 at 5:33 am
    @Kain1: What `mistake`? If the "Debt Ceiling" goes UP? The US Gov`t will easily spend MORE in the FUTURE.

    Why have a `Ceiling` if it doesn`t prevent SOME deficit spending? That`s IT`S JOB! That`s the whole point! To make it HARDER for future deficit spenders!!

    WHY does Obama want the ceiling lifted? SO HE CAN DEFICIT SPEND MORE.

    Y`all are the one who doesn`t understand this BASIC concept...
  37. Profile photo of lauriloo
    lauriloo Female 40-49
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    September 22, 2013 at 3:40 pm
    "You claim the Dems didn`t use the debt ceiling debate to gain anything?"

    Did they use it as a strong arm to try to kill a major law of the land? No. That`s the part you refuse to understand or admit. It`s one thing to vote against raising the debt ceiling as a statement about spending and quite another to use it as a bargaining strategy to get something else you want by threatening to ruin the economy.
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    lauriloo Female 40-49
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    September 22, 2013 at 3:43 pm
    "To make it HARDER for future deficit spenders!! "

    Sorry, YOU don`t understand it. It`s the job of congress to make a budget and stick to it but, since the GOP makes ridiculous demands no sane opposition could accept, a budget can`t be established. You can`t negotiate with nut jobs.
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    September 22, 2013 at 11:02 pm
    lauriloo, you are a very knowledgeable person. Your problem, though, is that much of what you know simply is not true.
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    Kain1 Male 18-29
    1473 posts
    September 24, 2013 at 6:49 am
    @5Cats: Do you really need me to explain basic economics to you too ??


    Why have a `Ceiling` if it doesn`t prevent SOME deficit spending? That`s IT`S JOB! That`s the whole point! To make it HARDER for future deficit spenders!!

    WHY does Obama want the ceiling lifted? SO HE CAN DEFICIT SPEND MORE.


    I don`t even know where to begin... This here ^ , shows that you are so ignorant about how the global economy works that you should really just close your mouth. I`m not trying to start a flame war here, but someone has to tell it like it is.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    September 24, 2013 at 12:21 pm
    the global economy
    @Kain1: How ODD! It`s a USA issue, but it`s a `global economy` issue?

    The "ceiling" limits spending: To RAISE the ceiling ALLOWS for MORE spending. Yes or no?

    WHY would anyone raise the ceiling unless they INTENDED to spend more?

    Remember: Obama promised many times that he`d balance the books and NEVER raise the deficit! LOLZ! From 51 Billion/month (Bush) to 109/ month (Obama).

    The "Promise Keeper"!
  42. Profile photo of Kain1
    Kain1 Male 18-29
    1473 posts
    September 24, 2013 at 1:54 pm
    Alright, we`re doing this. *rolls up sleeves*

    Yes it`s a global issue! Remember the housing bubble a few years back? That was also `a USA issue`, but just about the entire world felt the repercussions of the following economic downturn. A few European countries even got close to bankruptcy because of it! And that was a relatively minor crisis. The world economy is extremely interdependent, and the US is by far the largest piece of it. If the debt ceiling isn`t raised, the US will default on it`s loans, effectively declaring bankruptcy, and as a result, the entire world economy will implode over night. I`m not exaggerating here. The republican party is not just being insanely irresponsible with it`s own national economy, they`re being insanely irresponsible with everyone else`s economy as well! Using the threat of global catastrophe as a bargaining chip in some petty domestic squabble! And the worst thing about it is that apparently the majority of people in your country are j
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    Kain1 Male 18-29
    1473 posts
    September 24, 2013 at 2:14 pm
    (cont*) are just as ignorant as you, and are completely oblivious about what is going on outside your own damn living room!

    Now let me explain why they can`t just "stop spending more money". You see, if the debt ceiling isn`t raised, there are two options. Go bankrupt, or cut the deficit entirely.

    "What would happen if they cut the deficit", you might ask. I`ll tell you. Most likely a complete financial implosion. The deficit, as you rightly pointed out, is obscenely high. 109bn/month? That`s about $1.3 trillion a year. That`s 8.3% of the US GDP! To suddenly remove 8.3% of the GDP from the US economy would be devastating, and as explained before, not just to the US, but to the global economy!

    I agree completely that the deficit must come down. It can`t keep going up, or the US will go bankrupt eventually anyway. But it has to be done extremely carefully, or there could be catastrophic consequences.

    Last time the debt ceiling wa
  44. Profile photo of Kain1
    Kain1 Male 18-29
    1473 posts
    September 24, 2013 at 2:20 pm
    (cont2*) Last time the debt ceiling was IN THE NEWS, the stock market almost went into a free fall, just because of the uncertainty about the future. Just the slight possibility that the debt ceiling was not going to be raised did that. Those jacka$$es in Washington are playing russian roulette with the future of the entire world, and The only ones that can do anything about it are American citizens. FSM help us all.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    32805 posts
    September 24, 2013 at 8:17 pm
    @Kain1: Thanks for your reply! Sincerely! You made a valiant (if incorrect) effort.

    #1 The USA is NOT going to default on anything
    #2 The stock market is ARTIFICALLY high right now. It`s a bubble just waiting to BURST!
    #3 The policy makers knew this was coming since... the LAST TIME they raised it! Yet Obama did NOTHING?
    #4 Obama REFUSES to negotiate, but YOU "blame the Repubs"? Typical!
    #5 "Jackasses in Washington" = Democrats! The Repubs have put several plans forward, the DEMS have refused them ALL!

    & @Kain1: If I was confusing before? I do apologize: Deficit spending adds to DEBT. The DEBT ceiling is NOT about the deficit (directly!). If DOES have to do with "predetermined expenses" as YOU`ve (correctly) said. I MIGHT have seemed confusing about that, so... sorry!

    My main point is: Obama`s had FIVE YEARS to "fix this" and has... SPENT MORE!!!
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    Kain1 Male 18-29
    1473 posts
    September 25, 2013 at 6:07 am
    @5Cats:
    #1: Am i just supposed to take your word for that? If the debt ceiling is not raised, the consequences WILL be catastrophic.
    #2: I have no idea what you`re talking about. please enlighten me.
    #3: That raises an interesting point. Essentially, congress has constructed a ticking time bomb, that has to have it`s timer reset every two years or so. Why? Beats the poo out of me. A large majority of economists agree that the ceiling should be abolished all together.
    cont.
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    Kain1 Male 18-29
    1473 posts
    September 25, 2013 at 6:20 am
    #4 & #5: And i agree with him completely. The (republican controlled) House of Representatives is holding the off switch to the time bomb in their hands. A bomb that will destroy the US economy (and severely damage the rest of the world with it). But what they`re saying is "agree to our demands, or we`ll let the bomb go off". Obama is saying "turn off the bomb, then we can negotiate. I will not negotiate under the threat of destruction". Since it`s the Republican party that`s holding the world at ransom instead of some terrorist group, you apparently don`t see any problem with it. A bit disturbing tbh.

    Don`t think I`m some Obama fan boy. I don`t really like the guy tbh. And yes, the deficit must be dealt with, I completely agree! But it has to be done CAREFULLY! You HAVE to see that the republicans in congress are acting like complete CHILDREN, ESPECIALLY in this case.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    32805 posts
    September 25, 2013 at 7:20 am
    #2 The FED has been printing money it cannot support and floating bonds WHILE keeping interest rates extra-low.
    POP! When those things become impossible, and they will!

    #3 "congress has constructed a ticking time bomb" = Yup! On purpose!
    Because the Dems refuse to pass a budget! ALL they need to do to avoid this is pass a budget, but they`ve blocked EVERY attempt.
    They passed ONE in 2009 and ZERO since then, think about it: the USA`s economy has been "on autopilot" for 4+ years... scary!

    #4 & #5 The Dems and Reps DID agree to a budget in 2012, but Obama, at the `last minute` demanded 200 Billion in NEW TAXES (so he could spend more, NOT to reduce the deficit!) and killed it. Even the Dems were shocked!

    "Chicago Style"

    Remember the "input" allowed from Repubs in the ObamaCare debate? Zero!
    "We won." is Obama`s famous quotation on THAT subject...
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    Kain1 Male 18-29
    1473 posts
    September 25, 2013 at 8:28 am
    I`m no expert, but as far as i`ve understood, that is a temporary stabilizing measure, that they have already begun to ramp down. But yes you`re right, it can`t go on forever.

    "They passed ONE in 2009 and ZERO since then"
    What are you talking about??. The 2012 budget was passed and signed into law???.. Or are you talking about something else entirely?
    Those "last minute 200 billion in NEW TAXES" were actually 100 billion in corporate tax cuts and 100 billion in social security/payroll tax cuts. The total spending stayed almost exactly the same in the enacted bill as in the proposed bill. It`s all in that link. (at least you got the figure right)

    You pull statements out of your a$$ and just claim them to be true, and don`t seem to care what actually happened.

    cont.
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    Kain1 Male 18-29
    1473 posts
    September 25, 2013 at 8:33 am
    "Remember the "input" allowed from Repubs in the ObamaCare debate? Zero!"

    Gimme a break!.. Why do you think the bill is 2000 pages long? To appease the leftmost of the Republicans so that it would pass congress! And it DID pass congress, remember?!

    How many times have they tried to repeal it now? 40? And they`ve failed every time. They`re actively wasting taxpayer time and money on something they must know by now is pointless. They`re acting like children essentially. Holding their hands over their ears and screaming NO NO NO NO NO!... Pathetic.

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