Nightmare In Kenya As Islamists Attack Civilians[P

Submitted by: 5cats 4 years ago in

HUGE article from the DailyMail with videos, info and 100 pictures of the horror.
There are 49 comments:
Male 41,175
@Denogginizer: Welcome to IAB! Have a cookie :-) Nifty name!

You are 100% correct!

The Amish don`t demand YOU never drive a car!
The Hudderites don`t demand YOUR WOMEN wear a headscarf!

But Muslims DO! And that`s in the USA!
In the nations they control? YOU WILL BE KILLED for violation of Islamic Laws!
There is NO "separation of Church and State" there!
Islam IS the State! The State IS religion!

Compare that to "One Nation Under God" and I will LAUGH at y`all!
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Male 820
@smageboy1
Talliban-like behavior? Lots of burka wearing christians where you are? Lots of Christians beheading their daughters for reading a book? When was the last time a Jehova`s Witness raped your family and burned down your house after you shut the door in their faces. Sure, Christianity had the crusades (as you people so love to bring up)...thousands of years ago. Islamist extremests are doing this today. So keep shaking your tiny fist at the "In God We Trust" on your money.
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Male 15,832
The problem is, the so-called "good Muslims" don`t contribute enough to society to offset the damage done by the rest of them.
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Male 14,331
Islamic, Muslims don`t care cause they support and harbor these groups and never step the f uck up a denounce them and do something about it.

Kinda funny how the ultra PC crowd here is quick to denounce the phrase "under god" in the US pledge of allegiance which is pointless but the second you pint out how barbaric Islam is they defend it tooth and nail.....
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Male 1,471
Looks like some of you think i have some kind of moral objection to the word Islamist. Not at all. The guys who did this are clearly Muslims. And it is also clearly true that extreme Islam is responsible for a major portion of these religiously motivated terror attacks. I`m no fan of fictional sky people of any kind, especially not when their followers kill civilians.

My beef is with the word! `Islamist` is nonsense English. It`s a neologism, and furthermore, it`s redundant. Call them extremist Muslims. That`s what they are.
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Male 13,630
OldOllie

I`ve come to the conclusion, as a whole, Muslims are more trouble than they`re worth.
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Cant agree more, all I hear on the news now is Muslims outrage, Muslim`s need listening to,
Muslim community need police protection,
Muslim`s speak out against police ignorance
God damn, sorry to sound negative but We in Blighty bend backwards and beyond to try and please you, bout time you stopped f ucking moaning, not happy FECK off
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Male 15,342
President`s response speech: "Now is not the time for travel advisories"

Loooool! Kenya has always been a nice place with deadly, lawless neighbours and porous borders. You go at your own risk.
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Male 15,832
I`ve come to the conclusion, as a whole, Muslims are more trouble than they`re worth.
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Male 41,175
VV O_o

what are YOU on about @McDuff73? Are you calling the IAB Liberal Brigade bigots? Well, they ARE but it`s not very polite to tell them that anyhow...
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Male 871
the people mostly concerned about the identity of the extremists tends to be the bigots that follow along wanting to tar with the same brush anyone else of the identity those extremists claim to be representing, using the term extremists without the rest of the label would take the winds right out of the bigots sails.
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Male 871
@McDuff73 At 11:13:22 AM Says one thing...
@SmagBoy1 At 11:15:21 AM Says the OPPOSITE...


what are you on about 5cats?
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Male 41,175
@SmagBoy1: Polls from Muslim nations reveal the truth: A LOT of them support things YOU would call "extremism" ok?

Just because they sometimes "put on a face" for Western Press? Doesn`t mean they actually believe it! It`s OK in their religion to lie to infidels. Also to kill & rape them too! Ever read the Koran? Or that other book they follow?

No I`m not going to hunt them down and link the polls, they`ve been on IAB before and are Off Topic, eh? If I come across one I`ll put it up...
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Male 41,175
@som-tam: Correct!

For the language debate: An ancient "Crusader" was indeed a "Christian Extremist" - ok? But calling him an "Extremist Crusader" would be redundant - yes?

@Richanddead: Very good! (More than I know about it! lolz!) Nice selection of cheeses too.

@SmagBoy1: The KKK were Democrats. They hated Catholics too, what does THAT make them if they hate "Christians" as much as other groups?

@McDuff73 At 11:13:22 AM Says one thing...
@SmagBoy1 At 11:15:21 AM Says the OPPOSITE...

= LMAO! :-)

There`s nothing wrong with "fundamentalism" is there? It`s not INHERENTLY bad like Wahhabism. `Bad` by OUR standards, `Blessed By Allah` in their minds... of course!
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Male 4,431
@5Cats. Yous said, "Dude, a TINY CULT is not the same as 25% of 1 BILLION + people! Seriously dude, it`s called: `False Moral Equivalence` go look-it-up!"

See, that`s the problem. Your stats (re: 25% of 1 BILLION people) is pure vapor. The idea that 25%, 2.5% of even 0.25% of those who self-identify as Muslims are terrorists who believe that it`s okay to kill simply because of religious beliefs is pure fantasy. But whatever. I know we aren`t going to solve this, and, as I say, I`m not defending Muslims so much as pointing out that it`s not a few small cults, it`s the Republican party who vote to actually codify bigotry that I have issues with. To me, *that`s* terrorism, too, it`s just more subtle.
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Male 41,175
[quote]Who said that?[/quote]
@LordJim: A bunch of them! Not lately though... It`s a dogma of liberalism to make "false equivalences" as if they were facts.
See: @SmagBoy1`s posts for confirmation...

HINT For @SmagBoy1: Dude, a TINY CULT is not the same as 25% of 1 BILLION + people! Seriously dude, it`s called:

"False Moral Equivalence" go look-it-up!

Now: if the POPE or ABoC said the things those Imams say? THAT would be a different case entirely.

[quote]so surely extremist is a better choice?[/quote]
@McDuff73: No.
I know what you`re saying, but: it leaves out the IDENTITY of those involved.
If you`re going to say "Islamic <Extremist>" or "<Extreme> Jihadist" & etc? Why not just shorten it a bit? That`s what the English language does.

@Gerry1: LOLZ! @LordJim has PWND you! :-)
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Male 4,099
@SmagBoy1:

Some cheese with your whine?


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Male 4,099
@McDuff73: They are not simply fundamentalists but they are a specific type of fundamentalist, they are jihadists, Wahhabist jihadists. Part of the reason people feel it is all muslims not a particular sect of them, I feel, is because we don`t do enough to define who we are talking about, thats all.
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Male 871
is that just one of your fantasies Gerry1of1?
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Male 871
@richanddead see I would call Salafis fundamentalists much like the Westboro Baptists or Hasidic Jews are fundamentalists, but extremists take it a few steps further which is why I would use the term extremist to denote such skewed religious thinking.
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Male 40,266

@ LordJim, I don`t think there are very many Buddhists in Scotland.

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Male 4,431
We have several million (between two and four) Muslims living in the US. Of those several million, how many have committed acts of terror here? Yeah, that`s what I thought.

So, here`s the deal, I don`t care about Islam any more than Christianity. I think it`s all mythology and don`t give a rip about who believes what. I don`t try to force my beliefs on anyone. But, to me, here in the US, there *is* a group that tries to limit the rights of minorities. There *is* a religious group that tries to force their beliefs onto minorities and everyone, via law. To me, that`s terrorism right here, and it`s why I get pissy about Christians claiming some sort of "superiority" or peacefulness above and beyond other religions. Christians are no better, and, here in the US, at least, they`re far worse because they have such a large voting block with which to forward bigoted, Taliban-like beliefs.
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Male 871
@Som-tam
"therefore cannot be described as a `christian extremist"

He summarizes his goals, stating "I believe Europe should strive for: A cultural conservative approach where monoculturalism, moral, the nuclear family, a free market, support for Israel and our Christian cousins of the east, law and order and Christendom itself must be central aspects.

further
On his Facebook profile, Breivik described himself as a Christian

His manifesto states its author is "100 percent Christian"
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Male 4,099
There are some exceptions to even this such as purist Salafis who reject any political motivations as a distraction from the worship of Allah and simple Wahabists who support the beliefs but never actually carry out any violent actions or aid in them.

Yet the primary source of Islamic extremism is firmly based in this. Yet I still feel that the term "extremist" is a little too generalised for a specific belief that has been funded, supported, expressed, and spread. I`d just call it Wahhabist jihadists, but I can still live with extremist I guess, I do personally view it as extreme.
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Male 4,431
Yepper, this was Muslims. Just like David Koresh was a Christian. I mean, he was, after all, right? Or is that Christianist? I guess Dennis Rader, Scott Roeder. So are the Westboro Baptists. The KKK. The IRA. Woo-hoo, this is easy!
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Male 4,099
Either way, they both see the spread of secularism and political democracy as a threat to Islam and view America as the pinnacle of this.

To counter this perceived threat and to once again form a great arab nation these groups have decided that a jihad against all those who profess Kalam is justified to accomplishing these ends. Claiming that it is democracy that is the cause of all the wars of the 20th century and that Shia and certain Sunni Muslims were infidels that supported such perversions.

This is a predominant form of Islam in Saudi Arabia. Wahhabism gained considerable influence in the Islamic World following a tripling in the price of oil and the progressive takeover of Saudi Aramco in the 70`s. The Saudi government began to spend hundreds of billions of dollars throughout the Islamic World to promote Wahhabism. The funding accounted for 90% of the expenses of the entire muslim faith and flowed in to universities, mosques, and communities.
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Male 4,099
@McDuff73: I would agree to a point, extremists imply that the views are an outlier.

What most of us regard as the extremist muslims (with some exceptions) is a branch of Sunni Islam first taught by Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab and coined Wahhabism and its connection to Salafist jihadism. Wahhabism follows the Athari school which is a type of textualist approach to reading the Koran. Wahhabism focuses on curing the moral decline and political weakness of the Muslim religion since the fall of the great arab empires.

The Salafi movement follows this but takes it a step further and is a more fractured belief. Some Salafis hate to be called Wahabists yet they are essentially wahabists who reject any kind of speculative philosophy or "kalam" and seek to reconcile Islam with modernism where as pure Wahabism simply rejects modern influences altogether.
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Male 714
a murderer that claims to follow christianity or bhudisim is not the same as an islamist. the islamist use verses and chapters from their (un)holy -book to justify their behaviour, and are only, grudgenly, condemned by a small minority of their `community`.
breviks` manifesto used historical figures such as vlad dracule, therefore cannot be described as a `christian extremist`.
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Male 7,123
Gerry,

The `No True Buddhist Fallacy?
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Male 871
so the word islamist could mean

— adj
1.supporting or advocating Islamic fundamentalism— n
2.a supporter or advocate of Islamic fundamentalism
or
noun
1.a scholar who knowledgeable in Islamic studies
2.an orthodox Muslim

whereas extremist could mean


noun
1. a person who goes to extremes, especially in political matters.
2.a supporter or advocate of extreme doctrines or practices.
adjective
3. belonging or pertaining to extremists.

— n
1.a person who favours or resorts to immoderate, uncompromising, or fanatical methods or behaviour, esp in being politically radical

— adj
2.of, relating to, or characterized by immoderate or excessive actions, opinions, etc

so surely extremist is a better choice?
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Male 7,123
5Cats,

` damn tired of IAB Liberal Brigade Members saying "Christianity is just as bad", OK?`

Who said that?
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Male 40,266

[quote]"Buddhists are massacring Muslims"[/quote]
If this is true they cannot be Buddhist. Violence and Buddhism are not compatible. You`d have to turn away from Buddhism to commit violence. Hell, they`re not supposed to kill an earth worm when digging a hole. Where as Islam encourage and justifies violence, as do other religions.
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Male 2,578
Because English.
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Male 871
for instance Anders Brevik was a christian extremist who killed a poo load of people who he said were undermining Norways traditions Christian values.
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Male 871
Why not try using the phrase `extremists` to describe anyone bastardising their own religion wether it be Muslim, christian, buddhist etc...?
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Male 4,099
@LordJim:

Although the vast majority of Islamists believe in Sharia law it is not necessarily a requirement. An Islamist believes that Islam should have some sort of impact in an area`s social and political spheres. Yet that does not necessarily equate to a Sharia law supporter. An analogy would be like how every square is a rectangle yet not every rectangle is a square, so to speak, with the square being a Sharia law supporter and a rectangle being any Islamist.
The Welfare Party of turkey is considered Islamist yet it did not profess Sharia law but rather a more liberal muslim inspired policy. Abdullah Gul, the current president of turkey, was the deputy leader of the party until it was dissolved in 2003. Yet he is a proponent of gender equality and freedom of expression and faith, and he is president of a secular nation.

There are many other examples, especially now with the Arab Spring defining many separate belief and political structures.
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Male 2,578
I swear, there is some unholy alliance between Progressives and Islam. Firstly, even the most "Moderate" Muslims are far more Conservative than Sarah Palin or Micheele Bachmann. Just trust me, Western European liberal Muslims make up 5-10% of these countries at best and it`s a little ethnocentric to think, "Oh, well of course they think like us. We are the natural progression of human thought evolution". You`re not.

Plus, if they ever hypothetically took over our societies, the uber-Progressives would be the first to go. And even assuming Moderate leadership, George Bush would start looking like Nancy Pelosi.
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Male 2,578
How is Islam a verb? "I Islam you" "You Islam me, baby". No, it doesn`t work.

If you mean in Arabic, it comes from a word Aslama which can be both a noun or a verb, it means "Submission", by the way. We should just call them by the literal translation, "Some submissionists in Kenya..."

Islam and swimming are different things, so it`s appropriate to affix the "ist" suffix to the ideological belief, but not the mundane activity.

You can`t win with IAB`s Progressive brigade. If he said "Muslims", he would`ve been attacked. If he said "Islamists", he would also get attacked (he was). There is literally no way to describe things without getting Progressive panties in a twist.
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Male 41,175
I honestly didn`t intend for this to be a "Muslim Bashing" post! Although Muslims are certainly the criminals here. I DO understand that MOST Muslims aren`t like this, ok?

I ALSO get damn tired of IAB Liberal Brigade Members saying "Christianity is just as bad", OK?

Right now? Buddhists are massacring Muslims, Muslims are massacring everyone else, and Christians (as a group) are massacring... NO ONE!

At least not based solely on religion...

The pictures in this article are TERRIFIC! Just sayin...
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Male 2,552
Peace and love. Love and peace.

Yeah... uh-huh.
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Male 1,284
They were targeting every non-muslim people. Islam, the religion of peace as long as you are an islamic person and you do has you`re told
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Male 40,266

"Islam is a verb"... as in The Nation of Swim?
or "in Swimic tradition".

I don`t think it`s a verb.
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Male 7,123
Kain1,

Someone who practices Islam is indeed a `Muslim` but Islamist (although not clearly defined) implies someone who does not merely practice their own religion but who believes that all aspects of society (legal, political, commercial, personal, financial, cultural) should be subordinate to sharia.

To describe all muslims as Islamists is like describing all christians as Dominionists. Of course Islamism is more of an immediate problem than Dominionism but it`s the same basic distinction.

It`s the difference between seeking to practice your religion in peace (Go for it, best of luck) and seeking to make others subordinate to your religion (bad, very bad.)



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Male 1,558
Yes, islam/muslims is truly a club of love just like they`ve said after everyone of these cluster f ucks
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Male 40,266

This can`t be true. Muslims are all peaceful, passive people, right?

And just in case anyone with a gun should ask you, the prophet`s mother was Aminah bint Wahb.
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Male 697
>daily mail
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Male 41,175
@Baalthy used to lecture us on the "jihad" thing :-)

I don`t miss him. Occasionally he was insightful on the Middle East, Islam and such, but not often.
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Male 41,175
I don`t know where the "[P" in the title came from, was that me?

@Kain1: Because sometimes one gets tired of the term "Jihadist"? And that "Jihadist" isn`t necessarily a violent term, since not all "jihads" involve violence?

Someone who supports "socialism" is a "socialist"
Someone who supports "unions" is a "unionist"
Someone who supports "Islam" is...

Anyhow: these guys were Muslims, no doubt about it! They selected their victims by allowing Muslims to leave and killing everyone else - truth.

Thye chose THAT Mall because there`s be lots of tourists and non-Muslims there...

&etc.
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Male 1,471
I know this is completely off topic, but i gotta get this off my chest.

The word `Islam` is a verb. The noun describing someone who practices Islam is `Muslim`. Calling someone an Islamist is comparable to calling someone who swims a lot a `Swimist`. It`s nonsense.

Just had to get that out there.
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Male 41,175
Link: Nightmare In Kenya As Islamists Attack Civilians[P [Rate Link] - HUGE article from the DailyMail with videos, info and 100 pictures of the horror.
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