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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
    10722 posts
    September 12, 2013 at 2:02 pm
    Link: King Of Copyright - Martin Luther King Jr`s estate limits the use of his speech thanks to a copyright they claim.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
    36198 posts
    September 12, 2013 at 2:38 pm

    Why shouldn`t they? It`s his original work just as if he`d painted a picture or written a book. I`m sure they don`t want it misused for comedic or derogatory purposes.
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    747Pilot Male 18-29
    1455 posts
    September 12, 2013 at 2:42 pm
    yeah that`s greed for you.
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    MelCervini Female 40-49
    2096 posts
    September 12, 2013 at 4:50 pm
    yeah... screw the fact that it was a public speech that has the ability to teach MILLIONS of people if they`d only listen (like the one about judging by character not color of skin(OBAMA voters)).. naww... its allllllllllllll about the money.
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    RoboPatton Male 30-39
    2424 posts
    September 12, 2013 at 5:10 pm
    I`m sure that`s JUST what MLK wanted...

    @Gerry oh come on, a speech that is meant to enlighten a country (let alone the world) should be copy written and charged per printing?

    Should the Lincoln family prevent "Four score and seven years ago..." from the public domain?

    Imagine if "Ask not what your country can do for you" was only ever seen when payed for! We would hardly even see it, the impact, and social value of the speech would be nullified.

    "The only thing we have to fear is..." please pay $5 to read the rest of this monumental, and historic sentence.

    I mean, how much do they really effin make from the speech a year?
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    Listypoos Male 40-49
    3069 posts
    September 12, 2013 at 5:10 pm
    It does make his family seem very greedy, seeing as he never claimed copyright on it then it would appear they were following their own wishes, not his.

    Personally I think if you`re giving a speech in public directed at a public issue, then it should remain in the public domain.

    Gerry, maybe they want to just protect it from things like comedic misuse, but the comedic use of it is probably the easiest way to get round the copyright anyway...parody does tend to be allowed under fair use clauses.
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    CodeJockey Male 40-49
    5606 posts
    September 12, 2013 at 5:32 pm
    Mel, WHAT in the F*CKING SEVEN PITS OF TARTARUS are you even talking about?!! How did Obama`s name even make it into that thought?!!

    On this subject: Do you know you can`t sing "Happy Birthday" in a broadcast without paying a fee?

    On your subject tangent: The 2008 election really did come down to one relevant topic: The economy.
    In August, the press asked: If the price of fuel climbs, ?
    O: There are some mechanisms we have at our disposal to combat the price of fuel.
    M: If you fight the price of fuel, you`ll hurt taxes used to maintain the highways.

    One of those two people understood the nature of the question.
    The other was out of touch with reality.

    The price of fuel affects the rest of the economy which had already stalled because people weren`t driving cars that summer.
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    CodeJockey Male 40-49
    5606 posts
    September 12, 2013 at 5:37 pm
    "if you`re giving a speech in public directed at a public issue, then it should remain in the public domain."
    Rights on the written/composed are separate from rights to the recording/broadcast. My understanding is post 1974/1978 but, my opinion is CBS should still have been able to retain rights to the recording at a min of 50%.
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    djwajda Male 40-49
    885 posts
    September 12, 2013 at 5:38 pm
    The family does not even possess the original copy he used.
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    CodeJockey Male 40-49
    5606 posts
    September 12, 2013 at 5:45 pm
    "The family does not even possess the original copy he used."
    They had to use something to file. Aren`t the pages in the LoC or Smithsonian?
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
    36198 posts
    September 12, 2013 at 6:18 pm

    @ RoboPatton - Lee Greenwood sang a song "God Bless The U.S.A." It inspired people and became the unofficial anthem of 2 wars. No one would say he doesn`t deserve his copy write for his original work.

    How is it different when MLK does it ? What about a poem by Maya Angelou?
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    djwajda Male 40-49
    885 posts
    September 12, 2013 at 6:54 pm
    Well let me rephrase what I stated.

    As the speech ended he handed the folded up copy to George Raveling, who had simply asked if he could have it. The only debate there seems to be is if it was a second copy and not what he actually read from. Seems most people agree it`s the legitimate papers though.

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    MelCervini Female 40-49
    2096 posts
    September 12, 2013 at 7:50 pm
    CodeJockey because in the same breath, they quote MLK when they`re demanding entitlements, they freely admit to voting for him because he`s black, period.. NO other reason.. which is AGAINST what dr King tried to convey. THAT is what i meant.
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    Roland Male 30-39
    288 posts
    September 12, 2013 at 7:53 pm
    I`m sure this is what he would have wanted.
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    Draculya Male 40-49
    14544 posts
    September 12, 2013 at 8:37 pm
    What a scumbag
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17515 posts
    September 12, 2013 at 8:51 pm
    "Do you know you can`t sing "Happy Birthday" in a broadcast without paying a fee?"

    Yup, that`s true and they want a hefty fee to sing it too. That`s why I prefer singing the 3 Stooges birthday song, it`s funnier anyways. Link
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    Sleepyhallow Male 50-59
    1983 posts
    September 12, 2013 at 11:03 pm
    "Owners of copyright in America can claim royalties for 70 years after the death of its creator"

    Unless you`re Disney, then you can copyright something for an eternity.

    Steamboat Willie has had its copyright extended 5 times and is almost solely responsible for the horrible mess that exists with copyright laws of today.
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    Sleepyhallow Male 50-59
    1983 posts
    September 12, 2013 at 11:08 pm
    @ CrakrJak ~ Copyright for "Happy Birthday" expired in 2009 but it took a lawsuit in July of 2013 to finally prove it.

    It is now in the public domain. Feel free to use it commercially whenever you wish.
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
    15844 posts
    September 13, 2013 at 12:02 am
    We should tell his family, "You can have your copyrights, or you can have your holiday, but not both."
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
    36198 posts
    September 13, 2013 at 12:15 am

    Obviously I am in the minority in thinking that if you create an original work you get to own it.
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    Listypoos Male 40-49
    3069 posts
    September 13, 2013 at 1:51 am
    "Obviously I am in the minority in thinking that if you create an original work you get to own it."


    I`d say it depends on whether you created an original work with the intention of owning it or just delivering it to the public..... as it was in this case.

    Seeing as MLK Jnr. didn`t copyright this work he created, what work exactly did his relatives create when as soon as he was dead they claimed copyright on something he`d written?
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    onoffonoffon Male 30-39
    2310 posts
    September 13, 2013 at 2:50 am
    Simply just type it in a txt format and post it on the web or anywhere. What are they going to do?
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17515 posts
    September 13, 2013 at 7:47 am
    Sleepyhallow: I`ll stick with the 3 Stooges birthday song, anyways. It`s become family tradition now.
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    CodeJockey Male 40-49
    5606 posts
    September 13, 2013 at 8:46 am
    "...as soon as he was dead they claimed copyright on something he`d written?"
    The rights holder will be named on the form and is not guaranteed to be the work composer. If it had to be, commissioned work would have an entirely different compensation process, possibly decreasing the value.

    Example: In the show "Enterprise," the female Vulcan was supposed to be the same character from TOS who oversaw the mating ritual where Spock fought Kirk (you know the music...)
    Anyway, if they had presented her as same character, the writer of the TOS episode, who created the character, would have to be compensated for each Enterprise episode she has screen time.
    Producers said `eff that` and changed her name:
    T`Pau -> T`Pol.
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    Suicism Male 18-29
    3625 posts
    September 13, 2013 at 1:35 pm
    The king of copyright is the prince of plagiary. Ironic
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    Suicism Male 18-29
    3625 posts
    September 13, 2013 at 2:12 pm
    P.S. - that chick from the mating ritual was pretty hot Codey.

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