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32 Responses to Iraq Veteran Arrested By Cops Over Therapy Dog

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    MrOrange Male 30-39
    2402 posts
    September 12, 2013 at 5:42 pm
    Link: Iraq Veteran Arrested By Cops Over Therapy Dog - F*ck the Police! i`m sorry i know there are good cops but GRRR
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    ForSquirel Male 30-39
    2192 posts
    September 13, 2013 at 12:01 pm
    Wow, seems like a lot of overkill. Would be nice to have audio of the incident. Although I can probably already guess that the officer told him to read the badge and I`m assuming he did.

    I will say, if they were worried about that dog it didn`t seem to show much aggression when they were detaining him.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
    36842 posts
    September 13, 2013 at 12:02 pm

    Someone incorrectly told the police the best way to establish dominance was to initiate every interaction in a confrontation way. Tone of voice, stance, demeanor. They justify this bully-tactic as officer` safety but a trash man is more likely to die on the job than a cop is {True fact, look it up}. Can you imagine if a garbage collector approached the waste bin like cops approach us? 555

    And they wonder why we don`t trust them any longer.
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    patchouly Male 40-49
    4746 posts
    September 13, 2013 at 12:25 pm
    That`ll teach him for smoking.
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    BoredFrank Male 40-49
    2374 posts
    September 13, 2013 at 12:35 pm
    I agree; those cops are just thugs.

    I`m just glad they didn`t do what most cops do and shoot the dog. I imagine they`re all kicking each other over that failure to take an innocent life.

    Eff those scum cops.
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    normalfreak2 Male 18-29
    4080 posts
    September 13, 2013 at 12:41 pm
    The way our policemen are trained and or instructed needs some major refinements.
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    SavageChef Female 50-59
    2692 posts
    September 13, 2013 at 12:42 pm
    I used to respect police officers. More and more, these days, they seem to come from the dregs of society. Bullies? That is putting it mildly. Many police officers, from what I read in the newspaper, seem to be on a par with the gang members they arrest.
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    turdburglar Male 30-39
    4896 posts
    September 13, 2013 at 1:06 pm

    That dog wasn`t acting curious and friendly.
    He was hungry. He smelt bacon.
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    turdburglar Male 30-39
    4896 posts
    September 13, 2013 at 1:10 pm

    Cops, as a group, don`t deserve respect just for being a cop. They view themselves as being separate from the rest of us. Like they are better, more deserving of respect, and above the law.
    I will continue to treat each man (including cops) as individuals, and with due respect...but as a whole...F#CK THE POLICE.
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    oobaka Male 40-49
    999 posts
    September 13, 2013 at 1:13 pm
    Everybody is sh*tting on the cops, as usual
    He had a dog that was not leashed in the video before the incident. If a pit bull came at me like that, I`d be nervous.
    He was illegally smoking.
    He was asked to leave. He refused.
    If he had left, there wouldn`t have been an incident.
    He caused all of it to happen.
    He wasn`t beaten by police. He was restrained. He resisted arrest. He got bruised up.
    Who wants to bet he pulled an attitude with the cops?
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    Grendel Male 40-49
    6262 posts
    September 13, 2013 at 1:20 pm
    The dog was not on a leash. Other than that, the dog was very restrained.

    He was bruised, which can be expected when resisting.

    If they lied about the bus card, they should be given some time off.
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    spanz Male 50-59
    895 posts
    September 13, 2013 at 1:52 pm
    hey I am not going to comment on the whole "therapy dog" thing. It is possible the guy really needs it due to some bad stuff in country. But if I were a cop and a pit bull lunged at me, that would be one dead pit bull. I think these cops showed remarkable restraint in not killing the dog.
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    schuey63 Male 18-29
    179 posts
    September 13, 2013 at 2:48 pm
    why does it matter he`s a vet, I`m a vet and don`t expect to be treated differently to any other civilian. this story wouldn`t have run it it was a regular guy.
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    kree_ Male 30-39
    1062 posts
    September 13, 2013 at 4:16 pm

    >He had a dog that was not leashed in the video before the incident. If a pit bull came at me like that, I`d be nervous.
    registered therapy animals do not require leashing
    >He was illegally smoking.
    A statement made by the cops, no video evidence of smoking is shown
    >He was asked to leave. He refused.
    Public property
    >If he had left, there wouldn`t have been an incident.
    He was in his right to stay, if the cops had left there wouldn`t have been an incident either
    >He caused all of it to happen.
    Blaming a victim of police brutality is like blaming a victim of rape. Yes things could have been done differently for different results, but he did nothing legally, morally, or ethically wrong.
    >He wasn`t beaten by police. He was restrained. He resisted arrest. He got bruised up.
    No resisting of arrest was shown. Restraining should not result in such wounds.
    >Who wants to bet he pulled an attitude with the cops?
    Not
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
    36842 posts
    September 13, 2013 at 4:47 pm

    Sometime, somewhen there was a shift. I believe there was a time the police were there to help us, but now their mission is to control us. When they approach you are assumed to be guilty of something, they just have to find what it is. And if they don`t, they just use some generic catch-all like "resisting arrest" or "obstruction".
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    oobaka Male 40-49
    999 posts
    September 13, 2013 at 5:49 pm
    kree_
    I used to be like you. Young and thinking I knew it all.

    >registered therapy animals do not require leashing
    In public, they do.

    >Public property
    Try again. The property is owned by MTS. San Diego Metropolitan Transit System. So, not public property.

    >He was in his right to stay, if the cops had left there wouldn`t have been an incident either
    Nope. He let his unrestrained pit bull approach a police officer. He should have been happy
    that all they did was ask him to leave.

    >he did nothing legally, morally, or ethically wrong.
    He wasn`t brutalized. He was restrained with minimum force which left minor bruising.
    He DID do something legally wrong which has already been covered previously.

    >No resisting of arrest was shown.
    Take another look. Pay close attention to 1:08.
    See how he tried to pull his arm away? THAT`S resisting arrest. He had light bruising on his arm and some injuries
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    kree_ Male 30-39
    1062 posts
    September 13, 2013 at 6:15 pm
    >In public, they do.
    Do not

    > The property is owned by MTS. San Diego Metropolitan Transit System. So, not public property.
    Public utility; public property

    >Nope. He let his unrestrained pit bull approach a police officer.
    He then provided the police with paperwork to show the status of his dog as a service animal.

    >He DID do something legally wrong which has already been covered previously.
    He did not, and you did not.

    >Take another look. Pay close attention to 1:08.
    See how he tried to pull his arm away?
    Officer may not touch a citizen without first getting verbal permission, or giving verbal warning of an arrest. Take another look yourself, no mouths open before he is grabbed. He is not under arrest, as he was never told he was under arrest, and he was not asked if they could touch his arm.
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    osirisascend Male 40-49
    3045 posts
    September 13, 2013 at 7:17 pm
    @ oobaka: kree is correct. Notice the dog in my profile pic? Trained service dog. Explosive detection to be exact. He is not required to be leashed in public as long as I am capable of controlling him through verbal commands or hand signals.
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    turdburglar Male 30-39
    4896 posts
    September 13, 2013 at 9:27 pm

    Cops. Put yourself in the position of a citizen being approached by a cop. It`s easy to say "bruising is common when being restrained".
    Maybe, there wasn`t a reason to restrain. There were a thousand ways to resolve the situation without tackling a citizen...an American. The same which cops are supposed to serve.

    The cops don`t look for a peaceful, simple resolution. They amplify the situation, and assert their dominance.

    It`s soooooooo easy to say "he shoulda did whatever the cop wanted." How about "the cop should have respect for his god given, constitutional rights as a citizen...and the basic respect of a human who doesn`t have to kiss ass when they haven`t done anything wrong.

    Bordon of proof is on the one making the accusation.
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    PDT Male 40-49
    3 posts
    September 13, 2013 at 9:44 pm
    As a disabled person who uses a guide dog everyday, I will say the police were correct here. He called his service dog a "therapy dog". Therapy dogs are not recognized as sercice dogs under the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA). A true service dog would have had a vest identifying him as such. If he was asked to leave he should have left. He may sue and win, and if he does win, it is a true disservice to all assistance animal users! Before you reply hatefully, I do know and teach ADA law to consumers and businesses.
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    freddyferret Male 40-49
    11741 posts
    September 13, 2013 at 10:18 pm
    Cops are the biggest pieces of sh*t on the planet. I would rather be surrounded by gang members than cops, I`d be safer. I have no respect for cops because they rarely have respect for anyone else. My kids saw a cop breaking the law recently. A minor one, but I still had to explain to them that cops can basically do whatever they want. They might get arrested outside of their own jurisdiction, maybe. But on home turf, they`d have to kill someone or rob a bank to have any chance of getting in trouble.

    Cops suck. Period.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
    36842 posts
    September 13, 2013 at 11:49 pm

    Bottom line, the guy wasn`t hurting anyone and just wanted to board a trolley. It took 6 police thugs to make sure that didn`t happen.
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    kree_ Male 30-39
    1062 posts
    September 14, 2013 at 12:38 am
    @pdf, from http://www.ada.gov/qasrvc.htm
    A: Some, but not all, service animals wear special collars and harnesses.

    While you are correct that dogs that only provide emotional support are not considered service animals, his calling his dog a therapy dog does not mean it was not a service dog. Those with physical disabilities are not the only ones that can require assistance. Service dogs can also perform tasks to help with a psychiatric condition. For example a dog could be trained to deal with anxiety attacks of a PSTD sufferer.
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
    15841 posts
    September 14, 2013 at 12:50 am
    This $#!+ will not end till we put till we start these thug cops in prison for felony armed criminal action.
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    Sleepyhallow Male 50-59
    1983 posts
    September 14, 2013 at 3:27 am
    I find myself in the uncomfortable position of being 100% in agreement with Old Ollie.
    ::shudder::
    I feel odd

    @PTD ~ Wow! Your first post and already I hate you. You are a 1st Class a s s.
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    robthelurker Male 18-29
    2871 posts
    September 14, 2013 at 5:02 am
    you may have every right to ask an officer their badge number, but in my experience, that does nothing but piss the cops off.
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    Tekinette Male 30-39
    273 posts
    September 14, 2013 at 6:39 am
    Of course the cops will just get a warning or something, as long as they`re treated as if they are above the law, they`ll act like it.
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    MrOrange Male 30-39
    2402 posts
    September 14, 2013 at 6:54 am
    I too find myself agreeing with OldOllie, scary as it is. You are given authority and power by the state to protect and serve the public, if you fail to do so, or worse abuse that power you should be punished. (and this goes for any person in a position of authority serving the public)
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    oobaka Male 40-49
    999 posts
    September 14, 2013 at 8:27 pm
    osirisascend
    at what point did he have control of the dog? When he ran towards the officer?
    and as PDT mentioned he didn`t call his dog a service dog. He called it a therapy dog. Bit of a difference. Look it up.

    >Do not
    Do too

    >Public utility; public property
    So what you`re saying is any utility used by the public is public property? Riiiight

    >He then provided the police with paperwork to >show the status of his dog as a service animal.
    Nope. He provided paperwork to show his dog was a therapy animal. As I said...big difference.
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    Tupinambis Male 18-29
    568 posts
    September 14, 2013 at 8:49 pm
    I`m surprised the dog wasn`t shot to death by the first Pig. Let `em hang.
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    kree_ Male 30-39
    1062 posts
    September 15, 2013 at 6:07 am
    >do too
    do not

    >So what you`re saying is any utility used by the public is public property? Riiiight

    I could have written that clearer, I meant to say the ulitity is public, because you said it wasn`t. And seperately repeat that it was public property, because you said it wasn`t.


    >Nope. He provided paperwork to show his dog was a therapy animal. As I said...big difference.

    By guidelines you do not even need documentation. Its just easier to keep it for situations such as this. as long as the dog is trained to assist a disabled person in 1 or more tasks it is a service animal.
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    Zeegrr60 Male 40-49
    2106 posts
    September 15, 2013 at 6:29 am
    All police are corrupt.

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