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    skypirate Male 18-29
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    September 10, 2013 at 5:50 pm
    Link: Iowa Grants Gun Permits To The Blind - I`m still scratching my head.
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    Terial Male 30-39
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    September 11, 2013 at 11:54 am
    Next, They all get a free drivers license too!
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    CodeJockey Male 40-49
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    September 11, 2013 at 12:16 pm
    Doesn`t seem strange in the least.

    The world would really in trouble if laws were drafted by engineers instead of legislators and their assistants.

    They might actually include logistical specs and requirements.
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    CodeJockey Male 40-49
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    September 11, 2013 at 12:25 pm
    "Next, They all get a free drivers license too!"
    No. There`s a vision test.
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    madduck Female 50-59
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    September 11, 2013 at 12:29 pm
    REALLY??? Well- I suppose the constitution does not discriminate against groups of citizens as it is a right for ALL. Which is why you don`t have any form of test or training to buy a gun - that would be gun control..Riiiiiiiiiight???
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    carmium Female 50-59
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    September 11, 2013 at 12:40 pm
    Actually, CodeJ, I recall some years back that a researcher cross-indexed a list of people in his state (California?)who were certified blind and people with driver`s licenses. Something like 20% of the blind were on both lists.
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    greenbasterd Male 18-29
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    September 11, 2013 at 12:57 pm
    just load it with blanks they wont know the diff.. oh yea i went there.
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    normalfreak2 Male 18-29
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    September 11, 2013 at 1:04 pm
    rofl, really? Good going Iowa. you don`t need to see who you are shooting at duh!
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    JadesDitoyr Male 18-29
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    September 11, 2013 at 1:24 pm
    The tests and training is required by the State for specific certifications. Not the Federal Government, and not a Constitutional Issue.

    I have no problem with this.
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    JXS Male 30-39
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    September 11, 2013 at 2:04 pm
    lol... wut?!
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    ajd121 Male 18-29
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    September 11, 2013 at 2:05 pm
    So blind people don`t need to protect themselves? If anything they need it more than people with sight. A good amount of people shoot with their eyes closed anyway.Not too difficult to shoot to sound especially if you have proper training.
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    September 11, 2013 at 2:13 pm
    What`s the big deal? Like blind people shouldn`t collect stuff simply because their disposition? Permits are ridiculous anyway.
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    normalfreak2 Male 18-29
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    September 11, 2013 at 2:35 pm
    "What`s the big deal? Like blind people shouldn`t collect stuff simply because their disposition? Permits are ridiculous anyway."

    What a silly comparison. Why not let them drive? A Blind person should also be able to be a pilot it`s not fair that they can`t have the same jobs as anyone else. Or how about anything that requires the ability to be able to "see". A crucial part about gun safety should be you need to see wtf you are shooting at or at least prove in a pinch that you can shoot the right direction and not randomly shoot someone else by accident because you can`t see them.

    I`m all for anyone being able to defend themselves but giving someone who can`t see the ability to kill someone from ranged seems stupid. Blind Person get`s mugged in the street and has a fit of rage/adrenalin pulls out the gun in an attempt to stop the thief Starts shooting the direction they "THINK" he went hitting someone on the street by accident. <
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    Cajun247 Male 18-29
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    September 11, 2013 at 2:36 pm
    @normalfreak

    I don`t think she should use guns, rather she shouldn`t need a permit to COLLECT guns.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
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    September 11, 2013 at 3:25 pm

    Why not?
    Suppose a rapist preys on a blind woman? He`s probably
    cocky thinking she can`t resist but she can feel him on top of her and get a shot off.

    Point Blank Range
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    drawman61 Male 50-59
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    September 11, 2013 at 3:32 pm
    Notice all the `fors` are Americans.
    All the `againsts` are the rest of the world.

    That`s all the discussion this needs.
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    An-egg Male 30-39
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    September 11, 2013 at 3:37 pm
    http://tinyurl.com/pr3pa7n
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    richanddead Male 18-29
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    September 11, 2013 at 4:35 pm
    If the blind can ride bikes through crowded cities, who`s to say they can`t use a gun, if you get into competitive shooting it`s more muscle memory than aiming anyway.


    This guy is Jim Miekka, he invented a system that helped to predict stock market crashes. Yet he is also totally blind and a marksman. He hits dead on 80% of the time, which is more than a tone of non-blind people.





    Here is a video of him shooting. link
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    turdburglar Male 30-39
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    September 11, 2013 at 5:47 pm

    Some of these people may be "legally blind" but still have enough vision to protect themselves with a gun.
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    turdburglar Male 30-39
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    September 11, 2013 at 5:50 pm

    We can`t go along making laws that cover every possible scenario. You`ll end up taking rights from people who deserve them.

    Sometimes, you have to leave it up to self responsibility and accountability.
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    oobaka Male 40-49
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    September 11, 2013 at 6:39 pm
    I`m a gun owner and I think it`s absolute lunacy that `muricans don`[t need to take a competency / safety test to prove they are able to handle a gun.
    It`s crazy
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    September 11, 2013 at 6:48 pm
    Intruder breaks in house. Blind gun owner fires in the direction of the sound. Gun ownership and the second amendment are not about guns. They are about self defense. A blind man is no less American.
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    Runemang Male 30-39
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    September 11, 2013 at 7:19 pm
    First, braille on drive-up ATMs, and now this. *sigh*
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    turdburglar Male 30-39
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    September 11, 2013 at 7:30 pm

    oobaka - Good thing you aren`t American. Let`s both agree that you are better off in canada, along with your opinion`s of what we do inside our country.

    It`s easy to say "there should be a test, or permit, or something to decide who can have guns." The problem is simple...In America our politicians are all 3rd generation S.O.B`s. Some states have managed to pass requirements to own certain guns. They say you have to take a "safety" class...classes only provided by the govt. The classes are booked for years out, basically making it impossible to own a gun.

    The idea works in theory, but our politicians are too corrupt.

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    turdburglar Male 30-39
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    September 11, 2013 at 7:32 pm

    They use the 2 party system to disguise the corruption. Every time you hear someone on IAB say a blanket statement about Liberals or Republicans...they have fallen into the blame game which distracts from the corruption on both sides.

    I don`t see gun control as a left or right issue. I see a corrupt govt. on both sides who will take a mile (or kilometer for the more douchey) if you give them a inch.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    September 11, 2013 at 7:46 pm
    First, braille on drive-up ATMs, and now this. *sigh*

    Braille on drive-up ATMs isn`t really at all silly.

    Manufacturers of ATM keypads don`t make different keypads for ATMs in different locations, so the choice is effectively between having braille on all ATMs or on none of them. It would be a pointless extra expense to make some ATM keypads with braille and some without and to ensure that non-braille ones only go to ATMs that can only be accessed by driving up to them...and are there any ATMs that can *only* be accessed by driving up to them?

    Also, it`s not always the driver who uses an ATM. It`s often a passenger.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    September 11, 2013 at 7:56 pm
    Some of these people may be "legally blind" but still have enough vision to protect themselves with a gun.

    Good point.

    Without articial aids, I qualify as being functionally blind (according to the optician who last tested me) but I could see a human-sized blur at up to at least a couple of dozen feet and could therefore shoot at it with a reasonable degree of accuracy.

    But I`m not sure I`d be safe with a gun with just my natural eyesight, because I`d be seriously handicapped in making accurate decisions about a situation when all I could see was blurs. Also, I`d probably soon be falling over or vomiting because I find the mess of blur very disorientating.

    Thank goodness for modern lenses, that`s what I say. With the right glasses, I have slightly better than normal vision.
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    Runemang Male 30-39
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    September 11, 2013 at 8:01 pm
    Angilion, I know (the ATM thing), it`s just always still struck me as funny. ;)
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    turdburglar Male 30-39
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    September 11, 2013 at 8:16 pm

    Angilion - We all have to take control and responsibility for our own disabilities.

    If you are borderline, it should be up to you decide what you are capable of, and when it is appropriate for you to take such action. Example: if you are in your own house and someone intrudes, you may need to defend yourself. If you end up shooting your own wife, you are accountable for acting reckless. You know your limitations, and the govt. can`t legislate every possible situation.

    Sometimes mistakes are made. Laws can`t prevent this. They can punish, making honest people take responsibility for their actions.

    On a side note...no amount of laws will prevent criminals and idiots. So let`s make laws that DON`T punish those who are honest.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    September 11, 2013 at 8:30 pm
    We all have to take control and responsibility for our own disabilities.

    Yes, but this subsection of the thread is not about disabilities. It`s about handicaps.

    "disabled" means "totally useless, no functionality at all", so only absolute total blindness is a visual disability. Substandard vision, no matter how far below normal, is not a disability. It`s a handicap.

    Pet peeve of mine. I have no idea why "disabled", arguably the most insulting word that could possibly be used to refer to a person, has become the officially sanctioned one for anyone with any handicap. You didn`t do that, but many people do.
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    Draculya Male 40-49
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    September 11, 2013 at 8:41 pm
    This will be a good test of whether the gun lobby is able to overcome all logic.
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    turdburglar Male 30-39
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    September 11, 2013 at 8:46 pm

    Angilion - Funny you mention "pet peeve`s". One of mine is when a minority, such as disabled/handicap people get nit-picky about insanely specific terms, when it was obvious there was no intent to offend.
    As a minority, you have to realize that there are plenty of people who would like to pick on you because of your difference. Don`t waste your time nit-picking those who had no intent to offend.

    If the difference between being called disabled and handicapped are your big issue...you don`t have much to complain about.

    For f*ck sake, I was making a point in favor of YOUR right to decide for yourself, and not have rights taken by lumping you all into a big disabled/handicapped/useless group.

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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    September 11, 2013 at 9:27 pm
    There`s a huge difference in meaning.

    You may be annoyed by having someone say that there`s a huge difference in meaning, but that`s not my fault. There is a huge difference in meaning whether you like it or not.

    Nit-picking is obviously the wrong term when the difference in meaning is enormous.

    Also, why are you talking about "intent to offend"? Who said you intended to offend anyone? Was a post deleted before I saw it? In reply to you, I said that the subthread I was replying to was about people whose vision is well below normal and not people who are wholly blind - a relevant distinction when it comes to aiming a gun.

    Nit-picking? Not at all.

    "As a minority"? Everyone is a minority - a minority of one. You are a minority, I am a minority, every person is a minority, but nobody is a minority of more than one person. Hmm...unless you count a person with multiple personality disorder as being more than one perso
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    danagamer Male 30-39
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    September 11, 2013 at 9:48 pm
    Blind Americans are denied a drivers license. there you go.
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    OldOllie Male 60-69
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    September 11, 2013 at 11:21 pm
    What I don`t understand is how the State of Iowa gets away with issuing "permits" for something that is guaranteed by the constitution. Do they also require state "permits" for newspapers? How about churches? Do I need a state "permit" to get a jury trial?

    Something is seriously wrong here.
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    auburnjunky Male 30-39
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    September 12, 2013 at 4:08 am
    "Blind Americans are denied a drivers license. there you go."

    Driving is a privilege.

    Owning a gun is a right.
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    Grendel Male 40-49
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    September 12, 2013 at 7:04 am
    drawman61-"Notice all the `fors` are Americans. All the `againsts` are the rest of the world. That`s all the discussion this needs."

    I realize that you`re used to your rights being limited, as is your capacity for a logical thought process.

    oobaka-" think it`s absolute lunacy that `muricans don`[t need to take a competency / safety test to prove they are able to handle a gun."

    That`s because 1) most Americans are competent enough to handle the simple tool that is a gun & 2) most Americans do not have an irrational fear of a simple tool that goes `boom`.

    @danagamer. Please look up the terms `privilege` and `right`, differentiate between the two and submit a 300 word essay on the difference.
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    turdburglar Male 30-39
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    September 12, 2013 at 5:36 pm

    Angilion - You`re obviously disabled in more way than one.
    Someone takes your side and you nit-pick and call them stupid.
    I`m sure if someone saved your life, you would rape their mother.
    Take the pollitical correct nit-picking and cram it where the sun doesn`t shine. Legally blind peoples are a small percentage of the population. Just because YOU CHOSE to take offense doesn`t mean the world has to research everyone`s possible pet peeves.

    PEOPLE LIKE YOU WILL ALWAYS INVENT SOMETHING TO FEEL OFFENDED BY.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    September 12, 2013 at 5:45 pm
    It`s amusing to read the frantic ranting of enraged babblers who are raving incoherently because someone thinks that different meanings are different.

    It`s hilarious when you`re ranting about me being so easily offended (I`m not even very offended and I was able to explain why) when you`re offended to the point of insanity by a post you haven`t even understood.

    I`m curious...were you frothing at the mouth when you wrote your bizarre ranting created from your own imagination and mindless fury?
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    September 12, 2013 at 5:55 pm
    @danagamer. Please look up the terms `privilege` and `right`, differentiate between the two and submit a 300 word essay on the difference.

    Only 300 words?

    I have a related question:

    Why is using a gun a right but using a car only a privilege? Use as many words as you like to explain your reasoning.

    It looks to me like the only reason is that the people who wrote the constitution of the USA were, unsurprisingly, unaware that cars would exist several centuries later. Vehicles in their world were carts and carriages pulled by oxen and horses, and a person being allowed to own and use one was accepted completely without question and therefore not formally written down as a right.
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    Grendel Male 40-49
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    September 12, 2013 at 7:18 pm
    Angilion-"Why is using a gun a right but using a car only a privilege? Use as many words as you like."

    I only need 27: "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

    Angilion-"It looks to me like the only reason ...allowed to own and use one was accepted completely without question and therefore not formally written down as a right. ."

    Actually, there is absolutely nothing prohibiting you from owning and operating a vehicle if you`re blind. There is no law that says you can`t.

    Now, if you want the PRIVILAGE of driving it on a public highway, you are subject all the rules, regulations, restrictions and licensing required to be permitted that PRIVILAGE.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
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    September 12, 2013 at 9:25 pm
    @Angilion: All this time? I had no idea?? Did you mention this before (and I just forgot?)??? I do seem to recall you mentioning vision impairment before... (eye troubles) but not to that extent? idk.

    In my stay at IAB I`ve gone:
    From: Employed full time
    To: disabled
    (several steps in between!)

    It sucks!

    @MeGrendel: you are 100% Correct! A blind person has a RIGHT to own a car! Needs a licence to drive it ON A PUBLIC ROAD.
    On a "closed course" though? WHO is going to try to arrest a blind driver?
    @Turdy: all those videos of "blind drivers" on race courses? You want them arrested? No?

    Ok then.
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
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    September 12, 2013 at 9:38 pm
    Not every "Blind" person is living completely without sight, "in the dark", many are just so optically messed up that there is no way to improve their eyesight with glasses or surgery.

    Many people that are "blind" do have some limited sight, but even if they don`t, everyone still has the right to gun ownership in the USA.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    September 13, 2013 at 6:55 pm
    @Angilion: All this time? I had no idea?? Did you mention this before (and I just forgot?)??? I do seem to recall you mentioning vision impairment before... (eye troubles) but not to that extent? idk.

    My natural eyesight was very poor from birth and deteriorated steadily until about my mid 30s. I once had an optician dust lenses before my eye test - it had been that long since he`d used the lenses that far along the set :) I have no natural clear vision at all now - I am so short sighted that the limit of my clear vision is too close to focus Aha, no! I`ve just tested that, out of curiosity. If I use only my right eye (it`s better than my left), I have about an inch of distance a few inches from my face in which I can just about make out normal sized printed text. Woo!

    It`s not a big deal because it`s completely correctable with the right glasses. Apart from all the floaters.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    September 13, 2013 at 7:11 pm
    @MeGrendel: you are 100% Correct! A blind person has a RIGHT to own a car! Needs a licence to drive it ON A PUBLIC ROAD.

    So, applying the same standard means that a person in the USA has a right to own a gun on private land but does not have a right to take that gun onto any public land, ever.
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    Angilion Male 40-49
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    September 13, 2013 at 7:12 pm
    Angilion-"Why is using a gun a right but using a car only a privilege? Use as many words as you like."

    I only need 27: "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

    You haven`t given a reason for the position, you`ve given a restatement of the position. It`s like quoting a verse from the bible as "proof" that the verse is true.

    The position is that using a gun is a right in the USA because the USA constitution can be interpreted that way and that using a car isn`t a right because modern vehicles aren`t mentioned in it.

    But they`re not mentioned because they didn`t exist.

    Just like modern guns didn`t exist.

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