Feminism [Pic]

Submitted by: gingernut333 4 years ago in Misc

Couldn"t we all just be nicer?
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Male 9
How about just learning to tell people to f×#* off?
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Male 8,693
littleoracle-"What if someone walked up to her and said, " You look butch." or put her down for her looks."

She will learn that people are cruel. This is a basic fact of life.

But you seem to think this is only a problem for little girls. Little boys have to put up with cruel namecalling, too. ("you`re fat, you`re a fag, you`re a sissy")

littleoracle-"Don`t judge a woman by what she wears."

Why do women get the special pass on this? They want to be equal, right? Well, girls AND boys both have to go through this.

How about `Don`t judge people by what they wear`? But, seeing as you cannot control the cruelty of others, teach your children that the opinions of others mean nothing.
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Female 8,119
Advocacy groups work for marginalised people. When 50% of a population is treated as 2nd class citizens it is fairly safe to say they are marginalised. I am not quite sure at what point you want to say women are/were not ,marginalised. For starters you need to identify the population group - Earth as a whole- the US, the UK, Finland- London. Then at what point you feel equality is reached. Certainly some groups of women are reaching a reasonable state of equality- but NOT all by a bloody long way. So which women don`t count? Women in Saudi or Afghan- poor women of colour in the US- do you think we should all ignore them because a few of you over privileged citizens feel that some rich uppity white women do not know their place. Feminism is not an on/off switch- just as all social justice movements it has shades and nuances depending on circumstance.
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Male 12,365
Well, that`s an even more content-free way of showing that you have no reply because you know I`m right. Well done for finding it!
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Male 12,365
Bugger...some edit-repost-delete tidying up has reversed the order of my last two posts. A real editing facility would be nice.
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Male 12,365
[quote]Not one woman here has spouted any haterad or anger towards men, men on the other hand spewing venom about feminist. What are you so afraid of?[/quote]

Are you serious?

You`re talking about a semi-organised and very powerful ideology that varies from advocating that male people be excluded from consideration in any positive way in anything to advocating that all male people should be killed and you`re asking why many men are angry and/or afraid of it? Really? Isn`t the answer obvious?

Random example:

The last time anyone cared enough to look, healthcare expenditure on women in the UK was almost eight times higher than healthcare expenditure on men in the UK. Feminism, of course, still advocates healthcare *for women only* because feminism always advocates everything for women only because that`s what feminism is for. How many men have died as a result? Who cares? They`re only men.
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Male 12,365
Now here is where feminists ignore almost everything I`ve written because they know it`s right and they can`t argue against it, and focus solely on the one reference to the most extreme forms of feminism. That gives them the opportunity to make the false claim that what I`ve written only applies to extremist feminists and then to make the false claim that extremist feminists have no effect on the world or on feminism and that therefore all criticism of feminism is invalid, QED. Obviously untrue, but somewhat effective at diverting attention from an inconveniently true argument.

There you go, I`ve saved you some typing.
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Male 12,365
On top of that, of course, is the fact that no group advocacy ideology is ever controlled by its most moderate followers. Power is taken by those who want it most and are willing to do the most to get it. Power is taken by those who put the most time and effort into getting it, who lobby hardest, who make the most attention-grabbing material (how true it is doesn`t matter very much), who rouse the most anger and direct it...and that can never be the most moderate.

So feminism at its best is still innately and profoundly sexist and feminism as a movement cannot ever be dominated by its best. It`s a foul ideology, run by the grotesquely bigoted and propped up by the gullible who have fallen for their lies (and who are still sexist, just not as much).
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Male 12,365
[quote]madduck i support equality,and this was the genuine path of feminism,i agree with that.[/quote]

But you`re both very obviously wrong.

Feminism is a group advocacy ideology. It always has been, always is and always will be, because that`s what it is for. That`s the entire point of it, that`s it`s defining feature, that is the only thing common to all strains of feminism.

An ideology that advocates for one sex is not an ideology that advocates for sexual equality. It`s inherently in opposition to sexual equality because at best it requires defining people by their sex (you can`t advocate for one sex without first dividing humanity by sex) and judging people by sexist stereotyping (at best, you must judge one sex as being unworthy of consideration on a socio-political scale).

Feminism *even in it`s mildest forms* is innately sexist and in direct opposition to the very basic concept of sexual equality.
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Male 359
Respect isn`t something to be handed out to everyone that demands it, it`s to be given to people who deserve it. From the cartoon I`ve read, I don`t see anything there deserving of any kind of respect.

As for the content of this cartoon, how am I supposed to know if anything the speech bubbles are saying isn`t true. Maybe, in each of those cases, the speech bubbles were correct.
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Male 907
Actually every last one of the balloons was being spoken by a feminist to the ladies depicted.
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Male 2,619
Stop wrting cartoons and get the f*ck back on the kitchen.
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Female 8,119
I agree- people should not call boys out for being feminine.That is also very sexist indeed...
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Male 1,284
the problem with this post is that its not woman specific, this happens also to man so feminism should have nothing to do with that kind of behavior
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Female 322
Patchouli - How about this example. Do these women come across as victims feeling sorry for themselves?

http://www.dailydot.com/society/bra-busters-facebook-porn-feminist-takeover/

I commend you for teaching your daughter non-gender specific activities. Good for you, seriously. But what if your daughter started to dress more like a tomboy? What if someone walked up to her and said, " You look butch." or put her down for her looks. How would that make you feel? How do you think it would make her feel? And most important of all, what would you teach her to respond and what would you think of the person that said that to her in the first place? That is the point of this comic. Don`t judge a woman by what she wears. And women shouldn`t listen to people who say these things to them. That`s it, plain and simp
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Male 226
The problem with the "feminist movement" is that coverage of it is limited to extremists. The man hating, shaved head, "uterus in lockboxes" movement is so ridiculous and prevalent that the entire movement`s cogency is threatened by it.

Top it off by the average woman in pop culture being exactly what the feminist movement doesn`t want women to look like.

The feminist movement needs to start looking more at women that are reinforcing the stereotype and the extreme feminists than "men" as their enemy. I realize that the silent majority of the movement probably does this, but it`s not what the feminist movement is seen as doing.
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Female 8,119
One thing that often strikes me about many vocal feminists online is that they can often be very young- often of university age. this often means they have a certain `tone` that age and experience will temper. It pays to remember this when you try to come up with preconceptions about feminists- because they do not necessarily give a good representation of a broader church.
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Male 4,745
@jkfld,

What is written in online documents and what is said by people are two different things.

The online documents show the intention but it is often abused and becomes a forum for hating men and perpetuating the victim card in women. We need to drop the "Poor Me" thing and work on building up self esteem. In these feminist forums, woman need to be told they are powerful and independent. Not that they are victims.

I also do recognize the difference between the problems of women here and the problems of women in say, strict Muslim Countries. Fighting for the rights of women who do not have the same rights a women here have, is noble, IMO.

Again though, this has very little to do with the cartoon or the point that most men here are trying to make and that is that men suffer the same type of judging. This isn`t a problem that is specific to women but is more a human condition.
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Male 41,131
@richanddead: Yeah, my city (Winnipeg) is usually in the "top 5" for car theft every year (per capita, of course) in North America! USA and Canada anyhow.
Youth Gangs are almost immune to "law" in Canada, and they know it.

Immobilizer, club, alarm, it`s a standard! They still check regularly to see if it`s locked.

@patchouly: Thanks bro! Sounds like you`re a good dad! It`s not easy, eh? Any idiot can `make a baby` but raising them properly is another matter entirely.
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Male 40,250

I`ve said it before {and been called an idiot} and I`ll say it again, the Feminist Movement failed. In that the primary goal was to help women achieve a more respected position in society. They`re more sexualized than before and the most common ways of referring to women is "Bitches & Ho`s". Not the most respectful terms. It`s not just men, women also refer to other women this way. They dress more sexually, act more, TWERK!...etc.

No, while men must pay lip service to respecting women in the workplace etc., it`s just a cover so they don`t get in trouble. The truth is very different.
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Male 4,745
@5cats

Hope your car is safe, man. I may not like your politics, but I`d certainly hate to see something happen to your car or possessions.
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Male 5,174
madduck i support equality,and this was the genuine path of feminism,i agree with that. What i say is that today many so called feminists just shows to "hate" men and confuses the equality with the will of being putted on a higer step.
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Male 4,745
...continued...

There seems to be this "perpetual victim" air about a lot of feminists. I raise my Daughter to be strong and independent. She is not a victim. She is amazing. She can do anything she wants. I teach her about science, math, car repairs, anything I would teach her if she was a boy. She is still a girl. She has a "peptobismol pink" room and loves "My Little Pony". But she also knows how to change a car tire (in theory for now) and can talk in length about physics, biology etc. etc.

I agree with fighting for equality, but not by crying "victim"; at least not in this day and age.

As an aside though...we do need to remember that this applies to our society. There are still societies in this World where Woman are terribly oppressed. However, that has nothing to do with the intent of this cartoon.
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Male 4,745
In no way am I against equality between men and women. We live in an era where it`s often easier for a woman to get a job and consequently, you are seeing a lot more "stay at home Dads". So here, in North America, we have moved beyond that being an issue.

The cartoon is stating that, no matter how women dress, they will be judged poorly. The point a lot of us are trying to make is that the same thing happens to guys. How we dress, what we do for a living, what sports team we like or dislike. It all results in some group disliking us. It`s the way of the World. Suggesting that only Woman suffer from this is self-centred and egocentric.

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Male 4,099
@5Cats: Take anything of value out of your car, a very similar incident happened about a year ago on my street. Nothing happened the first time, then like two weeks later all the cars on the street, including mine, had their windows broken and their stuff stolen.

The police said that, the guy was probably testing to see who actually came out to check on their car and how long they took.

He took my GPS, my satellite radio, and a bunch of my coins. He was caught later that night and my stuff was returned, but I had to pay for my window, my insurance didn`t even cover it. Guy was a deadbeat crackhead named Rick Edmonds.
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Male 2,548
LOL, I recently picked up a button off of the street corner that stated "Consent is such a turn on!" with a domain name to a gender equality advocacy site (they offer a lot of support for the trans community among other things)
After visiting the site, someone in my home spotted my internet activity and became concerned that I was becoming a man-hating feminist...`cause feminism is obviously fueled by the singular objective of transforming gullible, tender-hearted folk into gynocentric misandrists.

I felt like bashing my head against the wall.
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Female 8,119
I am a feminist- I do not hate men, or think I am either better or worse than they. What I hate is a system that automatically and often invisibly priviledges them, this is not the fault of men, or of women, ir is something we ALL inherited- and something we ALL need to get rid of so we can ALL- men and women- be free and equal. I am happy for to to criticise me for something which deserve criticism, but to criticise me- or any person because they do not fulfil your personal expectation based solely on gender is unfair. I do not `expect` a man to provide for me or my children, I doubt any man worth his salt would expect me to care for him in the physical sense - unless we mutually and fairly agreed on this beforehand Things have changed a LOT in the last 100 years- but there is still much to be made better. A fair and equal society benefits everyone- male and female- so could we stop name calling and all think how we can improve matters.No I will not make you a freakin sandwich- make y
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Male 7,123
A lot of responses seem to fall into a few basic categories.

1. It doesn`t happen. Shut up.

2. Bitches. Shut up.

3. Men have it worse, shut up bitch.

4. This doesn`t make me happy and I am entitled to be happy. So shut up bitches.

5. There is no problem if I don`t find it to be a problem. So shut up. Bitch.

I think that covers most of it.
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Female 2,549
Glad to hear 5cats.
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Male 41,131
@sutra46: I`m fine, I just live in a bad neighborhood! Someone "checked out" my car at about 11:30, and the alarm also went off at 2:30AM... grrr!

It went of again at 7:00 AM! But that was most likely a cat! Phew! The other two were "lift the door handle" alarms and not a kitty...

At least the glass is all intact! *knock on wood*
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Male 688
What is this feminist bulpoo?
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Female 322
Wow. I can`t believe the responses to this comic. I really haven`t read a single smart response that properly diffuses this as accurate.

I see insults, put downs and hysterically enough, stereotypes, which is what point the comic makes in the first place. I even insults towards the spelling error which is grasping at straws. The only thoughtful response would be from RickS.

I think the most accurate reply to this would be if you find this comic offensive or upsetting towards any thing other than female stereotypes then it means YOU RELATE TO IT and that is disturbing.
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Male 17,511
"Lots of guys talking about what in a woman disgusts them on the internet."

What guys don`t like and discuss, are the ultra authoritarian/controlling types, the ones who overdo plastic surgery and the sluts that try to baby trap guys into marriage. Thankfully, those types of women are small minorities.

The guys I know are more likely to comment on a women`s sexy bod, no matter what profession she is in. And ladies, that`s NOT sexism, that`s art appreciation. :-)
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Female 2,549
Piper, I think we all have a different image of what a `feminist` is. Yours and many other men here see some militant men hatin woman who , in your mind, going after `your` jobs.
Not so.
I speak for myself now, ` vive la difference`!! I don`t want to be a man anymore than I wanna be a herring :-)
Just a few post below certain someone is harping on about men dying in wars and coal mines? You can`t have it both ways!
I though firmly belive that a woman should not be barred from any profession for her sex. That she should enjoy eqal pay for equal work.
Not one woman here has spouted any haterad or anger towards men, men on the other hand spewing venom about feminist. What are you so afraid of?
I lOVE men; decent, fair, informed men, who are not threatened by their, mothers, sisters, wives, daughters! There are are many. I treat them with respect and I get the same in return.
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Male 72
Beeing???
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Male 5,174
sutra46 "Feminism is about choice and egalitarianism".Certainly was born for that,but suddenly have lost the track. Feminism often is just a way to spout anger on men,this is the problem. This movement in may opinion must show the world that womens can give to society another point of view,the female point of view,with his valors and differences,but is just become a stupid fight on who have "more balls" between man and woman.Womans have transformed the ideals of that movement in a way to become like men and not to introduce a fresh innovation. Feminists "fight" men to become like men,they just want to replace the "man" in the society with "woman".
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Female 2,549
@andrew155
I don`t hate men! You have got it all wrong.
Am typing this very slowly so will keep up.
Like I said before. Not talking about the past but the very current situation women are in, everywhere in the world.
My cause, not teying to convince anyone or you!
You arevthough trying to convince me that no such issues are relavant.

Feminism is about choice and egalitarianism. Am glad you believe in both. Bye now.
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Female 2,549
I do agree with all of you men its a women`s issue.
Why don`t you all take your noses out of this thread and go play with yourselves?
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Female 2,549
5cats don`t play the victim card
:-)

I do hope you are safe ;-/
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Male 2,332
Like someone else already stated: Respect is earned, not given.

Too many entitled cnuts in the world today..
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Male 41,131
This is so "strawman"!
As others have pointed out? WOMEN are their own worst enemies...

For every "negative" viewpoint BY men OF women? There`s 4 BY women OF women.
It`s a fact.

While I was typing this? Someone tried to break into my car... not joking, I am currently "highly stressed"...
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Male 4,891

Some people see this and see a problem. A problem with women`s rights or men`s rights.

I see a bunch of bitches. Men and women who like to pretend they are the victim of something...called life. No one cares about YOUR issues. Learn to deal with life or get out. Being a victim doesn`t make anyone special.

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Male 394
I bet the people out of frame spouting those insults are other women.
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Female 1,467
CrakrJack you mean guys in real life or on the internet. Lots of guys talking about what in a woman disgusts them on the internet. Not, "I personally don`t like that in a women," but full on, "poo makes me vomit."
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Male 17,511
Guys aren`t thinking these things. Women are their own worst critics.
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Female 2,691
Damned if you do, damned if you don`t. Happens to men too, by the way.
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Male 2,855
tell that to the feminists
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Male 2,578
sutra, you sound deranged. What`s the point of declaring war on men? What`s the point? And the men who bend over and agree with your narrative are the "good brothers", because they are well behaved and in line? So weird!

History is a funny thing, you bring it up nicely. Yeah, the .01% of men at the top controlled it all. What about all of the men that have been forced to die by the millions in World Wars? What about the men who traditionally lived 10 years less? And account for nearly all homelessness? And did all the physical labor? And account for 90% of deaths on the job?

It was only 70 years ago that my Grandma lived under two Totalitarian states in Poland. But it`s 2013 now.

You see, I don`t see all of these things as oppression here in 2013. They are just unfortunate things. I don`t hold it against anyone really, I`m not a victim. Neither are you.
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Female 1,743
I wasn`t saying anything about being oppressed, only commenting on the lols to be had from the comments here. ;)
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Male 3,343
If this were facebook, I would share this. I hope my girls get to make the decision to be who they want to be and are able to get respect for it.
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Female 2,549
Sista Ginga and Sisra Nubb this a message from a women to other women.women who were treated like a second class citizens. Who were denied education, birth right over land and proprty, women whose were foced to marry, bear children against their will. Women who are subjected to daily harrasement and terror just for seeking livelihood. Women.

Not from so distance a padt, actually happening to women all over the world, right now.
All the bellyaching douchbags around here, I bet, would have signed up to stop suffragette.
They are few good brothers here too, we thank you.


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Male 2,591
Someone`s got a sandy vag apparently.
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Male 2,578
Nubblins, LOL. You`re so oppressed.
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Male 12,365
[quote]Couldn`t we all just be nicer?[/quote]

I am not nice to feminists, masculists, whitists or any other followers of bigoted ideologies that exist for the purpose of promoting unending irrational prejudices.

Feminism is just the most hypocritical and most powerful of the various strains of bigoted arseholery. I have more respect for the ideology of Westboro Baptist Church because it`s more honest, and I wouldn`t poo on any member of the WBC because that would be giving them more respect than they deserve.

You want everyone to be nicer? How about setting an example by advocating sexual equality instead of feminism?

I am aware that some feminists are deluded rather than bigoted, but they`re a powerless and irrelevant minority.
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Female 1,743
A lot of butthurt men in this thread...
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Male 683
I presume a woman made this and another one proof read it. I could formulate sentences that made more sense when I was five years old.
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Male 2,578
I`ve never ever heard any of these. These are the ultimate feminist strawmen.
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Male 7,031

"Fact of the matter is, there is no hip world, there is no straight world. There`s a world, you see, which has people in it who believe in a variety of different things. Everybody believes in something and everybody, by virtue of the fact that they believe in something, use that something to support their own existence."

FRANK ZAPPA
Musician, Composer (1940 - 1993)
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Male 1,293
I have never in my whole life seen any of those things said to a woman. I know geeky women, intelligent women in high-powered jobs, intelligent women with good degrees as homemakers, women in the men`s worlds of military and of aviation. None of them were ever treated like this.
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Male 1,931
Sexism, racism, etc. are all defined by treating a group differently based on a certain characteristic. Such as not giving someone a job because they are gay, a woman, black, etc. Everyone gets called names constantly, it`s part of being human. I`m not saying it doesn`t often times hurts, it certainly does. But waving a banner to have people stop saying these things is pointless.
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Male 1,284
i don`t understand this post, that`s just how life is grow a backbone
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Male 8,693
A woman should be, and is, free to decide who she want`s to be and how to act.

That does not mean they are free from criticism, just as a man is not free from criticism.

You ARE going to be insulted and get your feelings hurt in this world. You do not have a `right` to not be.

You do not get to DEMAND respect. You earn it.

If you did not earn it, you do not get it. That goes for all.
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Male 3,060
And a lot of those insults come from other women.
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Male 4,745
Like there aren`t a million put downs for guys too. This isn`t a "female problem" it`s just a problem.
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Male 5,174
Ok... the sammich is still waiting in the kitchen :-P
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Male 10,855
Yeah it`s really sad there`s a bunch of poseur-feminists who are TOO concerned about how women look rather over their liberty.
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Male 450
Your point is valid in that women should be able to be who they want without (too much) judgement but this comic sucks. Those same things are said by women and men and guys take just as much criticism. It isn`t always about the person being male/female, a lot of it is just because people are judgmental dickheads and only feel better when they critique others.
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Male 833
cause no one ever says anything bad to or about guys...
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Male 15,832
And the point of this is...? ;-/
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Male 40,250

yawn
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Male 7,123
tedgp


Why?
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Male 7,123
Good luck.
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Male 3,285
When you post something from tumblr, you lose any sense of argument or discussion.
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Female 1,071
Link: Feminism [Pic] [Rate Link] - Couldn`t we all just be nicer?
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