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Date: 09/04/13 11:10 AM

19 Responses to Bigger Pizzas: A Capitalist Case For Health Care R

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    uatme Male 18-29
    1074 posts
    September 4, 2013 at 11:11 am
    Link: Bigger Pizzas: A Capitalist Case For Health Care R - Health Care Reform - Let`s see what debates spawn from this.
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    randomxnp Male 30-39
    1293 posts
    September 4, 2013 at 11:20 am
    I don`t know of anyone who disagreed that the US needs healthcare reform, to improve it. The problem is that Obamacare makes it worse. Funnily enough the bill that had to pass in order to see what`s in it turned out to have in it exactly what its critics said it had.

    What US healthcare needs is: real insurance, rather than healthcare plans (Obamacare went further the plan way); open markets (most states have heavy regulation, restricting competition); tax regime that does not favour employer-based healthcare and tort reform to reduce over-cautious testing and reduce malpractice insurance costs.

    Funnily enough all of these were proposed by prominent opponents of Obamacare. You probably didn`t hear that in the legacy media.
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    dang007 Male 30-39
    599 posts
    September 4, 2013 at 11:41 am
    The problem is there are better ways to:

    1. Decrease the cost of health care
    2. Increase the rate of innovation (which also decreases the cost)

    Ways that better utilize free markets (although some controls are required) and reduce federal intrusion.
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    Gerry1of1 Male 50-59
    36866 posts
    September 4, 2013 at 12:19 pm

    Didn`t mention all the companies dumping their full time employees and only working part time people so they don`t have to provide coverage. All because of the cost of ObamaCare.

    Obamacare = Suck.

    I am in favour of a national health care system, but requiring people to purchase it is a ridiculous idea.
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    aliyahg1979 Female 30-39
    254 posts
    September 4, 2013 at 12:21 pm
    How about making a HEALTHY LIFESTYLE the DEFAULT option, not promoting more cheeseburgers with toys. Exercise, clean food, and find ways to relieve stress. Heart disease, obesity, prescription drug addiction would cease to exist.

    In my case, I was HIT BY A CAR while I was crossing the crosswalk (me: right of way, flew over 20 feet in the air and landed on my head, him: ran stop sign, no license, no insurance, habitual traffic violator) I broke 6 bones brain trauma, severe memory loss and loss of ability to cognitively function properly(i remember almost nothing from 2000-2010) and dislocated my shoulder. I was due to receive health insurance from my job on the following Monday (was hit on Friday, 3 days away) but was told that me getting hit by a car and receiving all these injuries was now considered a pre-existing condition and was dropped that Monday. Because I was not able to get care (he signed everything over to his mother and filed for bankruptcy)I developed everything
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    aliyahg1979 Female 30-39
    254 posts
    September 4, 2013 at 12:23 pm
    i listed above for about 10 years. I was black-listed from insurance companies for 10 years as well, so ALL of my injuries healed together the best they could. If I had the opportunity to get health insurance and repair all my injuries, the length of the recovery would have been but a small fraction.
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    canusuck Male 30-39
    796 posts
    September 4, 2013 at 1:14 pm
    @Aliyahg1979-It is stories like yours that make me glad to be Canadian...I could walk in and have every single cent covered immediately, no paperwork..I am sorry for your situation but your C`est La Vie attitude is admirable
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    inversegrav Male 30-39
    770 posts
    September 4, 2013 at 1:42 pm
    I oppose any healthcare the government runs because I do not trust government. This does not mean i do not recognize that what we got is screwed up nine ways from Patagonia
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    drworm2002 Male 30-39
    662 posts
    September 4, 2013 at 2:06 pm
    It`s not the government that you shouldn`t trust. We have one of the best governments. Don`t trust some of the people that run it. The best thing you can do is not vote for the people that are f**king up the system. But us as Americans do not do that. We get angry and don`t vote, which doesn`t change anything. If you held politicians accountable for their actions...and I don`t mean their private life mistakes, then they would really do the will of the people and not big business. People talk about capitalism like it`s a form of government and it is not, it is the bane of it. If everyone that said they didn`t trust the government voted for the candidates that would be willing to make changes and then not seek another term, then we could really change the system. Vote for the ones that want to get money out of politics. There are certain things that should be universal, free, and not privatized: Education, healthcare, and the police & prison system.
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    Phosphoreign Male 30-39
    308 posts
    September 4, 2013 at 2:15 pm
    I find it funny that this guy says he`s making a fiscally conservative case for health reform, when it is, in fact, pretty much the same B.S. we get from the administration... this is a cheaply veiled Pro-Obamacare video calling itself fiscal conservatism while still subscribing to the belief that you can "vote yourself rich". When will these people learn that social engineering comes with consequences, most often, disastrous ones. Just ask China about the results of their 1 child policy.
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    Phosphoreign Male 30-39
    308 posts
    September 4, 2013 at 2:17 pm
    @canusuck: interesting... some time ago I watched a 60 minutes episode about pregnant Canadians coming across the border to get the superior medical care from the U.S. because their all-expense paid trip in Canada was in a barrel... over the falls...
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    Phosphoreign Male 30-39
    308 posts
    September 4, 2013 at 2:21 pm
    And one more for the haters... May 31, 2012 I was diagnosed with Bone Cancer (waldenstrom`s macroglobulanemia), and I work for a big company, and have GREAT insurance, that has been happily covering everyting... and it COSTS (total between myself and my employer) $502.48 per month... you cannot add 3million people to the health care rolls and make a series of services free instead of co-pay... FOR FREE... COSTING NOTHING... either I / You / We pay more for our premiums, or the QUALITY OF CARE GOES DOWN... PERIOD. ITS ECONOMICS. Please see my previous post about "free Canadian health care"
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    nick12684 Male 18-29
    85 posts
    September 4, 2013 at 3:40 pm
    I made it to 15 seconds where he described the entire economy as a pizza and its portions were divided up according to wealth of classes. That is where I stopped. If he went on to describe the econony a different way, sorry, but a pie chart econony is not how it works(.)!
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    CrakrJak Male 40-49
    17514 posts
    September 4, 2013 at 11:27 pm
    Have no problem with making insurers ensure people with previous health conditions. I mean really, who the hell doesn`t have a "pre-existing health condition" these days? Catastrophic insurance cost caps and the extension of health insurance to kids to age 26 isn`t bad either.

    What is bad is the government screwing up the rest of it. Trying to suck everyone into a single-payer system would be a f*cking disaster. Companies are already cutting employees hours and taking them off their insurance. This is what the democrats called "zero cost" to the people? Hell they even said it would save money. Bzzzt wrong!

    There`s going to be taxes on insurance. Taxes on drugs. Taxes on medical devices. All of that is getting passed through to the prices people have to pay either for direct services or their insurance premiums. Free is not "free", the costs get passed along and someone`s got to pay.
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    onoffonoffon Male 30-39
    2383 posts
    September 4, 2013 at 11:49 pm
    SO if the guy only had tinnitus and tendonitis maybe he didn`t need health insurance. For quite a few years I paid cash and didn`t have any problem with it. It wasn`t crazy expensive if it`s a simple illness. People got good healthcare without ct scans and mri scans and lots of other expensive tech.
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    Nickel2 Male 50-59
    5879 posts
    September 5, 2013 at 2:41 am
    Being born is a "pre-existing health condition".
    Insurance is run by fraudsters who pay out a certain percentage of claims to keep the public confidence.
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    5Cats Male 50-59
    33142 posts
    September 5, 2013 at 3:52 am
    Obamacare GETS RID OF "catastrophic coverage" iirc...

    1,000s will suffer under Obamacare, so that 2-3 have better coverage?

    Some States have individual costs rising by 150%...

    100,000+ will LOSE their coverage because they only work 30 hours now...

    It`s a stuttering clusterfork of a TAX. Yes a TAX not a "reform bill" FFS!

    And Pizza is a terrible analogy...
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    HalfPintRoo Female 18-29
    2765 posts
    September 5, 2013 at 6:32 am
    The insurance through my husbands employer is "nothing is covered up to 1800 dollars a year and after the 1800 dollars is met everything is covered 100%"

    Now that`s great for some major thing that happens, it will only cost us $1800 dollars, but I can`t go to the doctors for less major things.

    That odd spot growing on your side that is a funny color and shape? Well- hope it`s nothing because we can`t afford the 130 dollars to have it seen and then the hundreds more if they biopsy it.

    My ear is starting to throb and swish- I`ll just have to deal with it because it`s 130 dollars JUST TO WALK IN THE OFFICE, then the prescription.

    You THINK you might have broken your shoulder? Well you can`t go get that looked at! Are you crazy!? X-Rays will break our bank!

    Inhaler? Just stop running and exercising so you hopefully wont need it.

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    dang007 Male 30-39
    599 posts
    September 5, 2013 at 11:33 am
    >>>Insurance is run by fraudsters who pay out a certain percentage of claims to keep the public confidence.<<<

    But insurance is a sharing of risk. What we have now is a sharing of costs, in effect we have just added a middle man that has NO real interest in our health just our dollars. Get rid of payments, communication, contracts, or any other form of contact between insurers and healthcare companies and watch cost come down.

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